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    my houghts on the series and game 5

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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2015 - 12:29 PM ET #1

    Having watched/followed the warriors all year, here are my thoughts:

    1) The stage has been a bit too big for Curry and Klay (except game 2) and they seem overwhelmed at times. Their body language, for most of the series, has been poor. Looking at the officials for calls, getting down on themselves, making poor decisions and their lack of aggression on offense all speak to the fact that this is their 1st finals. They are playing like guys are who think they'll have more opportunities to come (which is not good). On the flip side, LBJ and the warrior vets (Iggy, Livingston, Lee) are playing like guys who know opportunities like this are very precious.

    2) The Cavs have done a good job at trying to force the role players to beat them. If they stick to the game plan, it will be up to Iggy, Barnes, Let, Livingston to carry the warriors to victory (which they are more than capable of).   

    3) The Warriors have not played well at home in their last 5 games, going back to the rockets series. The psychology of being overwhelming favorites has affected them big time. I heard the other day that the only team in NBA history to win a title in its 1st try, against a team/player (LBJ) who has been there, done that, was Jordan's Bulls (against the Lakers). And that Bulls team had its heart broken many times (against the Pistons, Celtics, etc) so I don't put them in the same category as the Warriors (who have not really experienced that sort of heartbreak).

    4) Considering all this, I think this a must win game for the warriors. I don't think the Cavs will let them off the hook if they go up 3-2, though anything is possible.



     
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    Having watched/followed the warriors all year, here are my thoughts:

    1) The stage has been a bit too big for Curry and Klay (except game 2) and they seem overwhelmed at times. Their body language, for most of the series, has been poor. Looking at the officials for calls, getting down on themselves, making poor decisions and their lack of aggression on offense all speak to the fact that this is their 1st finals. They are playing like guys are who think they'll have more opportunities to come (which is not good). On the flip side, LBJ and the warrior vets (Iggy, Livingston, Lee) are playing like guys who know opportunities like this are very precious.

    2) The Cavs have done a good job at trying to force the role players to beat them. If they stick to the game plan, it will be up to Iggy, Barnes, Let, Livingston to carry the warriors to victory (which they are more than capable of).   

    3) The Warriors have not played well at home in their last 5 games, going back to the rockets series. The psychology of being overwhelming favorites has affected them big time. I heard the other day that the only team in NBA history to win a title in its 1st try, against a team/player (LBJ) who has been there, done that, was Jordan's Bulls (against the Lakers). And that Bulls team had its heart broken many times (against the Pistons, Celtics, etc) so I don't put them in the same category as the Warriors (who have not really experienced that sort of heartbreak).

    4) Considering all this, I think this a must win game for the warriors. I don't think the Cavs will let them off the hook if they go up 3-2, though anything is possible.



     
     
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    Nice write up I feel the same, the million dollar question now is if the Warriors can cover. Or win in double digit fashion?
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    Nice write up I feel the same, the million dollar question now is if the Warriors can cover. Or win in double digit fashion?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2015 - 12:58 PM ET #3

    Good question. The line is extremely enticing, getting 8-9 points with a team that has a chance to pull off the upset. Problem for Cavs backers is this, if the Dubs have a dd lead in the 4th, Blatt may have to waive the white flag and save his guys for game 6 (which puts the cover in danger).
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    Good question. The line is extremely enticing, getting 8-9 points with a team that has a chance to pull off the upset. Problem for Cavs backers is this, if the Dubs have a dd lead in the 4th, Blatt may have to waive the white flag and save his guys for game 6 (which puts the cover in danger).
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2015 - 1:06 PM ET #4

    It's about time!

    Sources within the Warriors' organization were reportedly "irked" by the attention Matthew Dellavedova received from the media for "locking down" Stephen Curry.
    "People have lit a fire under [Stephen Curry], which is a good thing," Andrew Bogut said. "It's something that you don't want to do. It worked out well. We know [Dellavedova] is a great defender, but we know he's not a Curry stopper." After a disastrous performance in Game 2 in which he shot just 5-of-23 from the field, Curry has started to figure out Cleveland's defense and has responded with 27 points in Game 3 and 22 points in Game 4. Other than Game 4, Dellavedova has been doing a wonderful job for Cleveland, but he will need some help to stifle the MVP at Oracle Arena in Game 5 on Sunday.
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    It's about time!

    Sources within the Warriors' organization were reportedly "irked" by the attention Matthew Dellavedova received from the media for "locking down" Stephen Curry.
    "People have lit a fire under [Stephen Curry], which is a good thing," Andrew Bogut said. "It's something that you don't want to do. It worked out well. We know [Dellavedova] is a great defender, but we know he's not a Curry stopper." After a disastrous performance in Game 2 in which he shot just 5-of-23 from the field, Curry has started to figure out Cleveland's defense and has responded with 27 points in Game 3 and 22 points in Game 4. Other than Game 4, Dellavedova has been doing a wonderful job for Cleveland, but he will need some help to stifle the MVP at Oracle Arena in Game 5 on Sunday.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2015 - 1:13 PM ET #5

    Laying -8.5 here is comical at best.

    Iggy will get into foul trouble.... iether intentionally by Lebron or phantom calls by the refs.... or both. Lebron is too experienced and focused IMO to have a let down tonight. He had a good game 4 as well... just ran out of gas.... which was expected.

    A SU win and a near 9 point cover is night and day. Tall order for a Cavs win but with their backs against, the wall they should make it a game.

    On top of that I didn't see anything great from the warriors in Game 4. Lack of intensity and just lactic acid/dehydration build up in Cleveland's roster was the culprit. Cleveland was something like 13% on wide open shots.... that's not a sign of the other team making adjustments. it was a 3 points game at the end of the 3rd quarter which was is promising for game 5.

    Just remember this...... Lebron knows how to play these western conference jump shooting teams very well.

    Cleveland's front court is a decent clip superior than GSW. If Mozgov starts to go off tonight he'll (Kerr) have to play Bogut on him which should play in Cleveland's favor as it will slow down the tempo. He might just start Bogut to begin with, maybe play David Lee with him. David Lee is nice offensively but he will get destroyed on the defensive end and on the offensive/defensive glass. Expect cleveland to switch and ISO lebron on David Lee where it will be like David Lee doesn't even exist.

    Expect to see Miller and Marion to lay it all on the line these next couple of games before they go play bingo at the senior citizens buffet. Same for James Jones.

    If JR smith gets off the short bus, finally, this game can get very interesting and Cleveland can defenitely win. But JR Smith is a feckin bird brain, so again.... another tall order there.

    One other factor to consider is that Lebron might show up like Satan today ala Miami/Boston game 6 three years ago down 3-2. No one can really predict that one lol but he did reference that game aleady during these NBA finals.
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    Laying -8.5 here is comical at best.

    Iggy will get into foul trouble.... iether intentionally by Lebron or phantom calls by the refs.... or both. Lebron is too experienced and focused IMO to have a let down tonight. He had a good game 4 as well... just ran out of gas.... which was expected.

    A SU win and a near 9 point cover is night and day. Tall order for a Cavs win but with their backs against, the wall they should make it a game.

    On top of that I didn't see anything great from the warriors in Game 4. Lack of intensity and just lactic acid/dehydration build up in Cleveland's roster was the culprit. Cleveland was something like 13% on wide open shots.... that's not a sign of the other team making adjustments. it was a 3 points game at the end of the 3rd quarter which was is promising for game 5.

    Just remember this...... Lebron knows how to play these western conference jump shooting teams very well.

    Cleveland's front court is a decent clip superior than GSW. If Mozgov starts to go off tonight he'll (Kerr) have to play Bogut on him which should play in Cleveland's favor as it will slow down the tempo. He might just start Bogut to begin with, maybe play David Lee with him. David Lee is nice offensively but he will get destroyed on the defensive end and on the offensive/defensive glass. Expect cleveland to switch and ISO lebron on David Lee where it will be like David Lee doesn't even exist.

    Expect to see Miller and Marion to lay it all on the line these next couple of games before they go play bingo at the senior citizens buffet. Same for James Jones.

    If JR smith gets off the short bus, finally, this game can get very interesting and Cleveland can defenitely win. But JR Smith is a feckin bird brain, so again.... another tall order there.

    One other factor to consider is that Lebron might show up like Satan today ala Miami/Boston game 6 three years ago down 3-2. No one can really predict that one lol but he did reference that game aleady during these NBA finals.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneCam27:

    Laying -8.5 here is comical at best.

    Iggy will get into foul trouble.... iether intentionally by Lebron or phantom calls by the refs.... or both. Lebron is too experienced and focused IMO to have a let down tonight. He had a good game 4 as well... just ran out of gas.... which was expected.

    A SU win and a near 9 point cover is night and day. Tall order for a Cavs win but with their backs against, the wall they should make it a game.

    On top of that I didn't see anything great from the warriors in Game 4. Lack of intensity and just lactic acid/dehydration build up in Cleveland's roster was the culprit. Cleveland was something like 13% on wide open shots.... that's not a sign of the other team making adjustments. it was a 3 points game at the end of the 3rd quarter which was is promising for game 5.

    Just remember this...... Lebron knows how to play these western conference jump shooting teams very well.

    Cleveland's front court is a decent clip superior than GSW. If Mozgov starts to go off tonight he'll (Kerr) have to play Bogut on him which should play in Cleveland's favor as it will slow down the tempo. He might just start Bogut to begin with, maybe play David Lee with him. David Lee is nice offensively but he will get destroyed on the defensive end and on the offensive/defensive glass. Expect cleveland to switch and ISO lebron on David Lee where it will be like David Lee doesn't even exist.

    Expect to see Miller and Marion to lay it all on the line these next couple of games before they go play bingo at the senior citizens buffet. Same for James Jones.

    If JR smith gets off the short bus, finally, this game can get very interesting and Cleveland can defenitely win. But JR Smith is a feckin bird brain, so again.... another tall order there.

    One other factor to consider is that Lebron might show up like Satan today ala Miami/Boston game 6 three years ago down 3-2. No one can really predict that one lol but he did reference that game aleady during these NBA finals.

    Hey, Gene, great to see you. Good thoughts on the series. I know you never thought much of the Warriors, but here they are. Don't know about you, but the Clippers really did me in. If it wasn't for that meltdown I'd be up 6K. Never been more disgusted by a team in my life. Never.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneCam27:

    Laying -8.5 here is comical at best.

    Iggy will get into foul trouble.... iether intentionally by Lebron or phantom calls by the refs.... or both. Lebron is too experienced and focused IMO to have a let down tonight. He had a good game 4 as well... just ran out of gas.... which was expected.

    A SU win and a near 9 point cover is night and day. Tall order for a Cavs win but with their backs against, the wall they should make it a game.

    On top of that I didn't see anything great from the warriors in Game 4. Lack of intensity and just lactic acid/dehydration build up in Cleveland's roster was the culprit. Cleveland was something like 13% on wide open shots.... that's not a sign of the other team making adjustments. it was a 3 points game at the end of the 3rd quarter which was is promising for game 5.

    Just remember this...... Lebron knows how to play these western conference jump shooting teams very well.

    Cleveland's front court is a decent clip superior than GSW. If Mozgov starts to go off tonight he'll (Kerr) have to play Bogut on him which should play in Cleveland's favor as it will slow down the tempo. He might just start Bogut to begin with, maybe play David Lee with him. David Lee is nice offensively but he will get destroyed on the defensive end and on the offensive/defensive glass. Expect cleveland to switch and ISO lebron on David Lee where it will be like David Lee doesn't even exist.

    Expect to see Miller and Marion to lay it all on the line these next couple of games before they go play bingo at the senior citizens buffet. Same for James Jones.

    If JR smith gets off the short bus, finally, this game can get very interesting and Cleveland can defenitely win. But JR Smith is a feckin bird brain, so again.... another tall order there.

    One other factor to consider is that Lebron might show up like Satan today ala Miami/Boston game 6 three years ago down 3-2. No one can really predict that one lol but he did reference that game aleady during these NBA finals.

    Hey, Gene, great to see you. Good thoughts on the series. I know you never thought much of the Warriors, but here they are. Don't know about you, but the Clippers really did me in. If it wasn't for that meltdown I'd be up 6K. Never been more disgusted by a team in my life. Never.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2015 - 1:44 PM ET #7

    Gene that was a terrible breakdown.
    Kerr will not start bogut.
    Mozgov had 28 pts and 10 Reb.... Kerr didn't care because he knew with the current tempo cavs were doomed.
    difference makers in Shawn marion, Mike miller and James Jones is comical.
    Jr smith will always be Jr smith.... he doesn't take pressure well at all. He knows his team needs him now more then ever and is scared.
    delly time is over... kid tried and had a good 20 pt game but now it's back to reality. simple coaching adjustments and offensive schemes to counter a player they overlooked going into the finals.... warriors win
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    Gene that was a terrible breakdown.
    Kerr will not start bogut.
    Mozgov had 28 pts and 10 Reb.... Kerr didn't care because he knew with the current tempo cavs were doomed.
    difference makers in Shawn marion, Mike miller and James Jones is comical.
    Jr smith will always be Jr smith.... he doesn't take pressure well at all. He knows his team needs him now more then ever and is scared.
    delly time is over... kid tried and had a good 20 pt game but now it's back to reality. simple coaching adjustments and offensive schemes to counter a player they overlooked going into the finals.... warriors win
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2015 - 1:45 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:


    Hey, Gene, great to see you. Good thoughts on the series. I know you never thought much of the Warriors, but here they are. Don't know about you, but the Clippers really did me in. If it wasn't for that meltdown I'd be up 6K. Never been more disgusted by a team in my life. Never.

    same here bro. I had to take time off because of that Clippers series. I actually quit betting for 3 weeks because I was in shock. I also took it as a sign. That was appalling.

    You know what the sad part is. Everything that I've said about the Clippers all year long how they are bunch of scrubs, chokers, and chuckers came to EXACT REALITY. Which make it even more sickening to deal with for me.

    In all honesty I blame the spurs for handing them that game 7 win. The spurs really tilted this whole thing IMO.

    I like the Warriors but they play the wrong way, front court is bad, and they have no experience. they dodged a few bullets in Memphis getting hurt and of course the Spurs not getting past those feckin clipper frauds lol. All in all they do deserve to be where they are without a doubt I just don't think it would be so easy for them to win like a lot of people thought IMO.

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    Hey, Gene, great to see you. Good thoughts on the series. I know you never thought much of the Warriors, but here they are. Don't know about you, but the Clippers really did me in. If it wasn't for that meltdown I'd be up 6K. Never been more disgusted by a team in my life. Never.

    same here bro. I had to take time off because of that Clippers series. I actually quit betting for 3 weeks because I was in shock. I also took it as a sign. That was appalling.

    You know what the sad part is. Everything that I've said about the Clippers all year long how they are bunch of scrubs, chokers, and chuckers came to EXACT REALITY. Which make it even more sickening to deal with for me.

    In all honesty I blame the spurs for handing them that game 7 win. The spurs really tilted this whole thing IMO.

    I like the Warriors but they play the wrong way, front court is bad, and they have no experience. they dodged a few bullets in Memphis getting hurt and of course the Spurs not getting past those feckin clipper frauds lol. All in all they do deserve to be where they are without a doubt I just don't think it would be so easy for them to win like a lot of people thought IMO.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahyden:

    Gene that was a terrible breakdown.
    Kerr will not start bogut.
    Mozgov had 28 pts and 10 Reb.... Kerr didn't care because he knew with the current tempo cavs were doomed.
    difference makers in Shawn marion, Mike miller and James Jones is comical.
    Jr smith will always be Jr smith.... he doesn't take pressure well at all. He knows his team needs him now more then ever and is scared.
    delly time is over... kid tried and had a good 20 pt game but now it's back to reality. simple coaching adjustments and offensive schemes to counter a player they overlooked going into the finals.... warriors win

    Fantastic break down, Hubie.  I'll be paying attention closely to you on ESPN radio.... feckin tool.

    Lebrons scores 40 it's game over. Lebron score 30 it's probably game over lol. They missed every single open shot they took. Are you seriously that feckin dense?

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    Gene that was a terrible breakdown.
    Kerr will not start bogut.
    Mozgov had 28 pts and 10 Reb.... Kerr didn't care because he knew with the current tempo cavs were doomed.
    difference makers in Shawn marion, Mike miller and James Jones is comical.
    Jr smith will always be Jr smith.... he doesn't take pressure well at all. He knows his team needs him now more then ever and is scared.
    delly time is over... kid tried and had a good 20 pt game but now it's back to reality. simple coaching adjustments and offensive schemes to counter a player they overlooked going into the finals.... warriors win

    Fantastic break down, Hubie.  I'll be paying attention closely to you on ESPN radio.... feckin tool.

    Lebrons scores 40 it's game over. Lebron score 30 it's probably game over lol. They missed every single open shot they took. Are you seriously that feckin dense?

     
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    gene i think lbj is gonna have to score 40 and the score to remain low for the cavs to win. the warriors dont always play the right way but they play hard even when down by dd. they almost came back in game 3 and also game 4 against the rockets. not to mention game 3 against the pelicans. you get your moneys worth backing them.
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    gene i think lbj is gonna have to score 40 and the score to remain low for the cavs to win. the warriors dont always play the right way but they play hard even when down by dd. they almost came back in game 3 and also game 4 against the rockets. not to mention game 3 against the pelicans. you get your moneys worth backing them.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneCam27:

    Laying -8.5 here is comical at best.

    Iggy will get into foul trouble.... iether intentionally by Lebron or phantom calls by the refs.... or both. Lebron is too experienced and focused IMO to have a let down tonight. He had a good game 4 as well... just ran out of gas.... which was expected.

    A SU win and a near 9 point cover is night and day. Tall order for a Cavs win but with their backs against, the wall they should make it a game.

    On top of that I didn't see anything great from the warriors in Game 4. Lack of intensity and just lactic acid/dehydration build up in Cleveland's roster was the culprit. Cleveland was something like 13% on wide open shots.... that's not a sign of the other team making adjustments. it was a 3 points game at the end of the 3rd quarter which was is promising for game 5.

    Just remember this...... Lebron knows how to play these western conference jump shooting teams very well.

    Cleveland's front court is a decent clip superior than GSW. If Mozgov starts to go off tonight he'll (Kerr) have to play Bogut on him which should play in Cleveland's favor as it will slow down the tempo. He might just start Bogut to begin with, maybe play David Lee with him. David Lee is nice offensively but he will get destroyed on the defensive end and on the offensive/defensive glass. Expect cleveland to switch and ISO lebron on David Lee where it will be like David Lee doesn't even exist.

    Expect to see Miller and Marion to lay it all on the line these next couple of games before they go play bingo at the senior citizens buffet. Same for James Jones.

    If JR smith gets off the short bus, finally, this game can get very interesting and Cleveland can defenitely win. But JR Smith is a feckin bird brain, so again.... another tall order there.

    One other factor to consider is that Lebron might show up like Satan today ala Miami/Boston game 6 three years ago down 3-2. No one can really predict that one lol but he did reference that game aleady during these NBA finals.
    Really don't think Warriors care what Mozgov gets, think they prefer him to be guy that goes off.  Unless waste of flesh Smith or other 3 point shooters start hitting shots it wont matter what LeBron gets IMO.  For the Cavs to have any hope this game has to be played in 80's or low 90's.
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    Laying -8.5 here is comical at best.

    Iggy will get into foul trouble.... iether intentionally by Lebron or phantom calls by the refs.... or both. Lebron is too experienced and focused IMO to have a let down tonight. He had a good game 4 as well... just ran out of gas.... which was expected.

    A SU win and a near 9 point cover is night and day. Tall order for a Cavs win but with their backs against, the wall they should make it a game.

    On top of that I didn't see anything great from the warriors in Game 4. Lack of intensity and just lactic acid/dehydration build up in Cleveland's roster was the culprit. Cleveland was something like 13% on wide open shots.... that's not a sign of the other team making adjustments. it was a 3 points game at the end of the 3rd quarter which was is promising for game 5.

    Just remember this...... Lebron knows how to play these western conference jump shooting teams very well.

    Cleveland's front court is a decent clip superior than GSW. If Mozgov starts to go off tonight he'll (Kerr) have to play Bogut on him which should play in Cleveland's favor as it will slow down the tempo. He might just start Bogut to begin with, maybe play David Lee with him. David Lee is nice offensively but he will get destroyed on the defensive end and on the offensive/defensive glass. Expect cleveland to switch and ISO lebron on David Lee where it will be like David Lee doesn't even exist.

    Expect to see Miller and Marion to lay it all on the line these next couple of games before they go play bingo at the senior citizens buffet. Same for James Jones.

    If JR smith gets off the short bus, finally, this game can get very interesting and Cleveland can defenitely win. But JR Smith is a feckin bird brain, so again.... another tall order there.

    One other factor to consider is that Lebron might show up like Satan today ala Miami/Boston game 6 three years ago down 3-2. No one can really predict that one lol but he did reference that game aleady during these NBA finals.
    Really don't think Warriors care what Mozgov gets, think they prefer him to be guy that goes off.  Unless waste of flesh Smith or other 3 point shooters start hitting shots it wont matter what LeBron gets IMO.  For the Cavs to have any hope this game has to be played in 80's or low 90's.
     
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    So far we've seen no sign that this game won't be played in the 80s and 90s. The best the warriors did was score 102 when they cavs ran out of gas.

    The series may very well be over and Cavs get blasted tonight but I did not see anything I liked from the Warriors side in game 4 to tell you the truth. It was more of Cleveland's own doing than anything the warriors did. But that just might be enough for them to win the series anyway since they are so short handed at this point. Warriors depth might just come at them at waves again IMO.

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    So far we've seen no sign that this game won't be played in the 80s and 90s. The best the warriors did was score 102 when they cavs ran out of gas.

    The series may very well be over and Cavs get blasted tonight but I did not see anything I liked from the Warriors side in game 4 to tell you the truth. It was more of Cleveland's own doing than anything the warriors did. But that just might be enough for them to win the series anyway since they are so short handed at this point. Warriors depth might just come at them at waves again IMO.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:


    Hey, Gene, great to see you. Good thoughts on the series. I know you never thought much of the Warriors, but here they are. Don't know about you, but the Clippers really did me in. If it wasn't for that meltdown I'd be up 6K. Never been more disgusted by a team in my life. Never.

    You said yourself that the clippers were cursed, before they even made it out of the san antonio series. That was your gut trying to warn you not to bet on them anymore this post season. But after they beat the spurs, you placed all those bets on the clipper/rocket series. 

    But you were right, I guess they are cursed because they should not have lost that game 6 at home being up 19 pts almost going into the 4th quarter. And then they lose by double digits. 
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    Hey, Gene, great to see you. Good thoughts on the series. I know you never thought much of the Warriors, but here they are. Don't know about you, but the Clippers really did me in. If it wasn't for that meltdown I'd be up 6K. Never been more disgusted by a team in my life. Never.

    You said yourself that the clippers were cursed, before they even made it out of the san antonio series. That was your gut trying to warn you not to bet on them anymore this post season. But after they beat the spurs, you placed all those bets on the clipper/rocket series. 

    But you were right, I guess they are cursed because they should not have lost that game 6 at home being up 19 pts almost going into the 4th quarter. And then they lose by double digits. 
     
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    yes forgot about that. a cursed man betting on a cursed team will have a cursed outcome. lol.
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    yes forgot about that. a cursed man betting on a cursed team will have a cursed outcome. lol.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneCam27:

    So far we've seen no sign that this game won't be played in the 80s and 90s. The best the warriors did was score 102 when they cavs ran out of gas.

    The series may very well be over and Cavs get blasted tonight but I did not see anything I liked from the Warriors side in game 4 to tell you the truth. It was more of Cleveland's own doing than anything the warriors did. But that just might be enough for them to win the series anyway since they are so short handed at this point. Warriors depth might just come at them at waves again IMO.

    It is the NBA and I am wrong a lot but will be surprised if warriors don't win by 12-15.  Cavs have 1 player that warriors are worried about scoring and seems like GS got memo to not let him hold ball for 6-8 seconds every position.  Warriors are too deep for this team.
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    So far we've seen no sign that this game won't be played in the 80s and 90s. The best the warriors did was score 102 when they cavs ran out of gas.

    The series may very well be over and Cavs get blasted tonight but I did not see anything I liked from the Warriors side in game 4 to tell you the truth. It was more of Cleveland's own doing than anything the warriors did. But that just might be enough for them to win the series anyway since they are so short handed at this point. Warriors depth might just come at them at waves again IMO.

    It is the NBA and I am wrong a lot but will be surprised if warriors don't win by 12-15.  Cavs have 1 player that warriors are worried about scoring and seems like GS got memo to not let him hold ball for 6-8 seconds every position.  Warriors are too deep for this team.
     
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    2004 Pistons loaded with 1st time players in the Finals VS Shag and Kobe and won easily.

    2008 Celtics loaded with 1st time players easily beat Kobe.

    Just 2 off the top of my head, unless of coarse you think that because of Bird and Russell who played years ago make the Celtics not a 1st time team, in which case would be silly. 
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    2004 Pistons loaded with 1st time players in the Finals VS Shag and Kobe and won easily.

    2008 Celtics loaded with 1st time players easily beat Kobe.

    Just 2 off the top of my head, unless of coarse you think that because of Bird and Russell who played years ago make the Celtics not a 1st time team, in which case would be silly. 
     
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    claw im not sure what the trend was based on. i only caught the end of it. it may have something to do with the age of the core players or something else related to experience.
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    claw im not sure what the trend was based on. i only caught the end of it. it may have something to do with the age of the core players or something else related to experience.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneCam27:

    Laying -8.5 here is comical at best.

    Iggy will get into foul trouble.... iether intentionally by Lebron or phantom calls by the refs.... or both. Lebron is too experienced and focused IMO to have a let down tonight. He had a good game 4 as well... just ran out of gas.... which was expected.

    A SU win and a near 9 point cover is night and day. Tall order for a Cavs win but with their backs against, the wall they should make it a game.

    On top of that I didn't see anything great from the warriors in Game 4. Lack of intensity and just lactic acid/dehydration build up in Cleveland's roster was the culprit. Cleveland was something like 13% on wide open shots.... that's not a sign of the other team making adjustments. it was a 3 points game at the end of the 3rd quarter which was is promising for game 5.

    Just remember this...... Lebron knows how to play these western conference jump shooting teams very well.

    Cleveland's front court is a decent clip superior than GSW. If Mozgov starts to go off tonight he'll (Kerr) have to play Bogut on him which should play in Cleveland's favor as it will slow down the tempo. He might just start Bogut to begin with, maybe play David Lee with him. David Lee is nice offensively but he will get destroyed on the defensive end and on the offensive/defensive glass. Expect cleveland to switch and ISO lebron on David Lee where it will be like David Lee doesn't even exist.

    Expect to see Miller and Marion to lay it all on the line these next couple of games before they go play bingo at the senior citizens buffet. Same for James Jones.

    If JR smith gets off the short bus, finally, this game can get very interesting and Cleveland can defenitely win. But JR Smith is a feckin bird brain, so again.... another tall order there.

    One other factor to consider is that Lebron might show up like Satan today ala Miami/Boston game 6 three years ago down 3-2. No one can really predict that one lol but he did reference that game aleady during these NBA finals.

    That's a lot of "if's"
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    Laying -8.5 here is comical at best.

    Iggy will get into foul trouble.... iether intentionally by Lebron or phantom calls by the refs.... or both. Lebron is too experienced and focused IMO to have a let down tonight. He had a good game 4 as well... just ran out of gas.... which was expected.

    A SU win and a near 9 point cover is night and day. Tall order for a Cavs win but with their backs against, the wall they should make it a game.

    On top of that I didn't see anything great from the warriors in Game 4. Lack of intensity and just lactic acid/dehydration build up in Cleveland's roster was the culprit. Cleveland was something like 13% on wide open shots.... that's not a sign of the other team making adjustments. it was a 3 points game at the end of the 3rd quarter which was is promising for game 5.

    Just remember this...... Lebron knows how to play these western conference jump shooting teams very well.

    Cleveland's front court is a decent clip superior than GSW. If Mozgov starts to go off tonight he'll (Kerr) have to play Bogut on him which should play in Cleveland's favor as it will slow down the tempo. He might just start Bogut to begin with, maybe play David Lee with him. David Lee is nice offensively but he will get destroyed on the defensive end and on the offensive/defensive glass. Expect cleveland to switch and ISO lebron on David Lee where it will be like David Lee doesn't even exist.

    Expect to see Miller and Marion to lay it all on the line these next couple of games before they go play bingo at the senior citizens buffet. Same for James Jones.

    If JR smith gets off the short bus, finally, this game can get very interesting and Cleveland can defenitely win. But JR Smith is a feckin bird brain, so again.... another tall order there.

    One other factor to consider is that Lebron might show up like Satan today ala Miami/Boston game 6 three years ago down 3-2. No one can really predict that one lol but he did reference that game aleady during these NBA finals.

    That's a lot of "if's"
     
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    This is just my gut feeling but I think GSW wins today (don't know about the cover) and CAVS win game 6. 

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    This is just my gut feeling but I think GSW wins today (don't know about the cover) and CAVS win game 6. 

    hey BB…what's up with the STY!?!
     
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    gene, always hating on warriors. Just like Memphis series. 
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    Easy money, again.  Foolish people in this thread.  And this should have been even uglier.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneCam27:

    Fantastic break down, Hubie.  I'll be paying attention closely to you on ESPN radio.... feckin tool.

    Lebrons scores 40 it's game over. Lebron score 30 it's probably game over lol. They missed every single open shot they took. Are you seriously that feckin dense?

     

    How many did Lebron score??  Is it over???

    In your own words...

    "Feckin tool" 

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    Fantastic break down, Hubie.  I'll be paying attention closely to you on ESPN radio.... feckin tool.

    Lebrons scores 40 it's game over. Lebron score 30 it's probably game over lol. They missed every single open shot they took. Are you seriously that feckin dense?

     

    How many did Lebron score??  Is it over???

    In your own words...

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