Do you not understand what Im saying? You're making it sound like Las Vegas or oddsmakers have insider information or are responsible for the rigging. So if they are purposely making the games close, then we can get super rich playing teasers. So why would the books want close games? How does that benefit them? The answer is is DOESNT! It hurts them. So this makes no sense, "Vegas" makes way more money when theres a blowout.
I perfectly understand what you say but you just elect to skip on what I tell you, so here goes:
Teasers are for suckers - you tease and get extremely low odds in return, I personally would never do that unless if I would see extremely useful benefit of doing so.
I've never claimed that 100% of the games are rigged, they're not, you gotta keep things random - but in general don't expect to be able to forecast the games all the times neither.
I don't deny there is an element of randomness.
What I brought here are proofs of fishy things, and the NBA does have lots of fishy stuff, whether you like it or not.
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Quote Originally Posted by j-walk:
Do you not understand what Im saying? You're making it sound like Las Vegas or oddsmakers have insider information or are responsible for the rigging. So if they are purposely making the games close, then we can get super rich playing teasers. So why would the books want close games? How does that benefit them? The answer is is DOESNT! It hurts them. So this makes no sense, "Vegas" makes way more money when theres a blowout.
I perfectly understand what you say but you just elect to skip on what I tell you, so here goes:
Teasers are for suckers - you tease and get extremely low odds in return, I personally would never do that unless if I would see extremely useful benefit of doing so.
I've never claimed that 100% of the games are rigged, they're not, you gotta keep things random - but in general don't expect to be able to forecast the games all the times neither.
I don't deny there is an element of randomness.
What I brought here are proofs of fishy things, and the NBA does have lots of fishy stuff, whether you like it or not.
I perfectly understand what you say but you just elect to skip on what I tell you, so here goes:
Teasers are for suckers - you tease and get extremely low odds in return, I personally would never do that unless if I would see extremely useful benefit of doing so.
I've never claimed that 100% of the games are rigged, they're not, you gotta keep things random - but in general don't expect to be able to forecast the games all the times neither.
I don't deny there is an element of randomness.
What I brought here are proofs of fishy things, and the NBA does have lots of fishy stuff, whether you like it or not.
Ok but here's the problem with this...You're saying the NBA itself is doing fishy things, but you're using spreads to prove it. Therefore you are saying that "Vegas" or oddsmakers are involved in these fishy things. So I'll ask again, how does making a game land very close to the spread help the oddsmakers?
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Quote Originally Posted by dontknowhowtobe:
I perfectly understand what you say but you just elect to skip on what I tell you, so here goes:
Teasers are for suckers - you tease and get extremely low odds in return, I personally would never do that unless if I would see extremely useful benefit of doing so.
I've never claimed that 100% of the games are rigged, they're not, you gotta keep things random - but in general don't expect to be able to forecast the games all the times neither.
I don't deny there is an element of randomness.
What I brought here are proofs of fishy things, and the NBA does have lots of fishy stuff, whether you like it or not.
Ok but here's the problem with this...You're saying the NBA itself is doing fishy things, but you're using spreads to prove it. Therefore you are saying that "Vegas" or oddsmakers are involved in these fishy things. So I'll ask again, how does making a game land very close to the spread help the oddsmakers?
Ok but here's the problem with this...You're saying the NBA itself is doing fishy things, but you're using spreads to prove it. Therefore you are saying that "Vegas" or oddsmakers are involved in these fishy things. So I'll ask again, how does making a game land very close to the spread help the oddsmakers?
I never implied that "Vegas" or oddsmakers are the ones doing it! It could be the refs, it could be the organizers, the players, the coaches, it could be so many people ... I don't know and can't pinpoint at someone but it's there and just be aware that it's there, whether you like it or not.
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Quote Originally Posted by j-walk:
Ok but here's the problem with this...You're saying the NBA itself is doing fishy things, but you're using spreads to prove it. Therefore you are saying that "Vegas" or oddsmakers are involved in these fishy things. So I'll ask again, how does making a game land very close to the spread help the oddsmakers?
I never implied that "Vegas" or oddsmakers are the ones doing it! It could be the refs, it could be the organizers, the players, the coaches, it could be so many people ... I don't know and can't pinpoint at someone but it's there and just be aware that it's there, whether you like it or not.
I never implied that "Vegas" or oddsmakers are the ones doing it! It could be the refs, it could be the organizers, the players, the coaches, it could be so many people ... I don't know and can't pinpoint at someone but it's there and just be aware that it's there, whether you like it or not.
Well I could make the case that when a game lands on or super close to the spread that it's proof the game was NOT rigged. Because what benefit does that serve? It raises suspicion, its risky (if you're a ref trying to make money and fix the game) and the people who would be running the fix lose more money making the game close vs making it an outright blowout.
So the points you made in the beginning, would make more sense as proof that those games were not fixed.
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Quote Originally Posted by dontknowhowtobe:
I never implied that "Vegas" or oddsmakers are the ones doing it! It could be the refs, it could be the organizers, the players, the coaches, it could be so many people ... I don't know and can't pinpoint at someone but it's there and just be aware that it's there, whether you like it or not.
Well I could make the case that when a game lands on or super close to the spread that it's proof the game was NOT rigged. Because what benefit does that serve? It raises suspicion, its risky (if you're a ref trying to make money and fix the game) and the people who would be running the fix lose more money making the game close vs making it an outright blowout.
So the points you made in the beginning, would make more sense as proof that those games were not fixed.
This is confirmation bias. You're only looking at a few situations to sell your story. Not saying that it couldn't, or it doesn't happen. Just saying that your explanation isn't proof of it.
This is like saying prayer works because my aunt got a loan for a house after praying. have to dismisses all of the 20K children who starve to death every day and pray for food to make any case for prayer working.
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This is confirmation bias. You're only looking at a few situations to sell your story. Not saying that it couldn't, or it doesn't happen. Just saying that your explanation isn't proof of it.
This is like saying prayer works because my aunt got a loan for a house after praying. have to dismisses all of the 20K children who starve to death every day and pray for food to make any case for prayer working.
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