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RodWoman

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 2:10 PM ET #26

This should be a great game, but is there any doubt who the play is now??

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 2:23 PM ET #27

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 2:32 PM ET #28

Quote Originally Posted by RodWoman:

This should be a great game, but is there any doubt who the play is now??

Apparently there is doubt according to the many differences in opinion in this thread.

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tbone4au

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 2:34 PM ET #29

Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

Gene, you sound like Manu after game 4. Sometimes you gotta lose the battle to win the war. Have you heard of a smokescreen? Don't believe everything you see. The Thunder are thinking the exact same thing you are right now, because Pop helped them think that.

First, I love your write-up. I don't agree with 90% of it as I don't see anything more than speculation and conjecture in most of it, but it was still an excellent read.

I'm from Houston, close enough to SA to have been watching Pop figure out ways to kick our tail for years. To say the man is a genious as a coach is without question. I do believe that he rested starters in game 4 for multiple reasons. One of those being the lesson he learned last year in game 4. If it is not looking good, lets not kill our older players before game 5 gets here. Also he knew that his starters were not getting it done just like they didn't get it done all regular season against OKC with Ibaka healthy. He was trying everything he could to get info on possible ways to beat them come game 5. The smokescreen comment you made is funny. Seriously, do you believe that any professional sports coach playing in a 7 game playoff series would want to lose games 3 and 4 to give another team momentum with only 2-3 games left in a series? The man is a genious, but come back down to Earth with your expectations of his strategies.

As for the game, and this is just my thoughts for whatever they may be worth....with Ibaka healthy and in solid playing form, the SA prefered style of offense is in trouble just like it has been all year against Ibaka and OKC. For SA to win this game they will need to either win the 3 point battle or win the foul battle and get to the free throw line and make those shots count...as well as keep OKC away from the free throw line.

All 4 games so far have been one sided victories but I think that will change tonight. I'm leaning towards SA winning, but with Ibaka in the mix I do not think this SA team has the ability to crush OKC. If they win it will be by low single digits. As a fan, I will be cheering on SA but as a gambler, I'm going to take the points.

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Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

Gene, you sound like Manu after game 4. Sometimes you gotta lose the battle to win the war. Have you heard of a smokescreen? Don't believe everything you see. The Thunder are thinking the exact same thing you are right now, because Pop helped them think that.

First, I love your write-up. I don't agree with 90% of it as I don't see anything more than speculation and conjecture in most of it, but it was still an excellent read.

I'm from Houston, close enough to SA to have been watching Pop figure out ways to kick our tail for years. To say the man is a genious as a coach is without question. I do believe that he rested starters in game 4 for multiple reasons. One of those being the lesson he learned last year in game 4. If it is not looking good, lets not kill our older players before game 5 gets here. Also he knew that his starters were not getting it done just like they didn't get it done all regular season against OKC with Ibaka healthy. He was trying everything he could to get info on possible ways to beat them come game 5. The smokescreen comment you made is funny. Seriously, do you believe that any professional sports coach playing in a 7 game playoff series would want to lose games 3 and 4 to give another team momentum with only 2-3 games left in a series? The man is a genious, but come back down to Earth with your expectations of his strategies.

As for the game, and this is just my thoughts for whatever they may be worth....with Ibaka healthy and in solid playing form, the SA prefered style of offense is in trouble just like it has been all year against Ibaka and OKC. For SA to win this game they will need to either win the 3 point battle or win the foul battle and get to the free throw line and make those shots count...as well as keep OKC away from the free throw line.

All 4 games so far have been one sided victories but I think that will change tonight. I'm leaning towards SA winning, but with Ibaka in the mix I do not think this SA team has the ability to crush OKC. If they win it will be by low single digits. As a fan, I will be cheering on SA but as a gambler, I'm going to take the points.

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 2:43 PM ET #30

Can't wait for this game tonight

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begginerboy

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 3:14 PM ET #31

@LC, I can't wait either!

@ tbone

The smokescreen comment was in reference to not just Pop raising the white flag, in games 3 and 4, but also how that waving of the white flag continued in some of the post game interviews. Also, let me add this to my initial write-up (something I forgot to mention). Barkley and Kenny, after game 4, talked about how difficult it would be for OKC to win a series, after spotting the Spurs with a 2-0 lead (due to Ibaka's injury). These guys played in the league a long time and know the kind of mental (not just physical) stamina it takes to win a long series. Giving the Spurs two easy wins, and then having to climb out of that hole exacts a price (regardless of how easy the games in OKC looked). It is like spotting a team a 20 point lead in the first half, and then having to come all the way back to win. Sure it can happen, but more often than not, the team that is trailing falls short.

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RodWoman

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 3:42 PM ET #32

Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

@LC, I can't wait either!

@ tbone

The smokescreen comment was in reference to not just Pop raising the white flag, in games 3 and 4, but also how that waving of the white flag continued in some of the post game interviews. Also, let me add this to my initial write-up (something I forgot to mention). Barkley and Kenny, after game 4, talked about how difficult it would be for OKC to win a series, after spotting the Spurs with a 2-0 lead (due to Ibaka's injury). These guys played in the league a long time and know the kind of mental (not just physical) stamina it takes to win a long series. Giving the Spurs two easy wins, and then having to climb out of that hole exacts a price (regardless of how easy the games in OKC looked). It is like spotting a team a 20 point lead in the first half, and then having to come all the way back to win. Sure it can happen, but more often than not, the team that is trailing falls short.

Yeah, it can happen. Like two years ago when these two teams played. And people generally lose all credibility when they give any credence to anything Barkley says, cause he's wrong about 90% of the time, imo. The Spurs did have two easy wins, but Thunder played those two without one of their best players. They are 13-1 against Spurs with him in lineup last 14. That stat would seem to trump the Spurs easy wins in first two games.

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 3:51 PM ET #33

Solid writeup BB…GL

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 3:54 PM ET #34

Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

I said this in LC's thread and want to reiterate here as your OP will be the board's primary write-up:

With regard to the minutes played issue for OKC:

If you said the above at game 47 (i.e. Durant and West always play a lot if minutes so you're not worried about last night's minutes logged for OKC) or sometime thereabouts during the season, I'd shrug and say, he's got a point.

For all the conditioning the Thunder's big two have logging heavy minutes all season, Brooks decided to give his second most valuable player, a guy who the series hinges on with Ibaka back, 45 minutes (which is essentially an entire game from start to finish).

Except it's not game 47.

It's game 100. (82 + 7 first round + 6 second round + 5 this series)

At some point, it's going to catch up to you.

And even if it doesn't, it speaks to how Injured Jackson really was as the Thunder have no true backup of behind West when Reggie is out so he kept west in the entire game. And west played like a bat out of hell the entire game, gassing himself even further, padding a stat line that lead all tv/radio/web headlines.

Either way, this is a negative, and a significant one going on the road facing a Spurs team who will do anything and everything to take game 5 as Bb noted (and speaks to why you are teasing the game up instead of just taking the points for that extra insurance).

I can assure you this kid ain't gassed

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tbone4au

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 4:45 PM ET #35

Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

@LC, I can't wait either!

@ tbone

The smokescreen comment was in reference to not just Pop raising the white flag, in games 3 and 4, but also how that waving of the white flag continued in some of the post game interviews. Also, let me add this to my initial write-up (something I forgot to mention). Barkley and Kenny, after game 4, talked about how difficult it would be for OKC to win a series, after spotting the Spurs with a 2-0 lead (due to Ibaka's injury). These guys played in the league a long time and know the kind of mental (not just physical) stamina it takes to win a long series. Giving the Spurs two easy wins, and then having to climb out of that hole exacts a price (regardless of how easy the games in OKC looked). It is like spotting a team a 20 point lead in the first half, and then having to come all the way back to win. Sure it can happen, but more often than not, the team that is trailing falls short.

I can see calling the post game interviews a "smokescreen." Definitely. Although it has been done in typical Spurs style. Rarely do you see them say that they lost the game, they almost always give the credit to the opposing team for beating them. Pop and crew always show a high level of class in that regard.

Anyway, best of luck to you for the game and remainder of playoffs

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gambleholic63

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 4:57 PM ET #36

IBAKA plus DURANT plus WESTBROOK are amazing as a trio both straight up and ATS vs. this Spurs squad.

.....and

the line goes from 4 to 5?

Give me the points. I have a feeling we finally see a game go down to the wire in this series.......a bucket either way when the buzzer sounds.

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GeneCam27

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 6:04 PM ET #37

Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

Gene, you sound like Manu after game 4. Sometimes you gotta lose the battle to win the war. Have you heard of a smokescreen? Don't believe everything you see. The Thunder are thinking the exact same thing you are right now, because Pop helped them think that.

Come on do you really think the Thunder are that stupid and Naive? They are fully aware of what the spurs can do to them. Evidence is in games 1 and 2. I was sold on the spurs pre ibaka. i've said it before but this guy changes the whole dynamic for the exact reasons i mentioned earlier. He makes their useless gimpy bigs actually worth something because he's a straight up force ALA Anthony Davis on the Pelicans.... he's that kinda lanky muscular super athletic guy.

Aside from that the Thunder is coming in with a blend of revenge and having experienced a crushing defeat before as well. Last year didn't bode well for them. And i can assure 2012 and how they got absolutely crushed by the heat in the finals is fresh in their minds..... so the spurs aren't the only ones playing with some kinda special chip on their shoulder.

They have bounced back plenty of times this playoffs. Including a complete blowout of memphis down 3-2 in the series going on the road. They shoulda have cracked the clippers and been up 3-1 in that series but had an enormous meltdown and blew that 11 point lead. They managed to rebound and win after (granted it was controversial). Then they managed to come into LA again and fend off a hungry Clippers team. It looked all doom and gloom but they hung around and then they caught absolute fire and crushed the Clippers on their own floor in game 6 to close them out.

With Ibaka playing no worse than he played before this "injury" I don't see how this team does not stay within 5 points tonight and possibly win outright. They are coming off two super hot shooting performances and equally good defensive performance. The less rest they get the higher the chances of them staying that hott..... they will bring it tonight. You'll know Spurs are in trouble if they're playing well but the Thunder is hanging around there....

Aside from that Westbrook is running all over Parker..... Neither parkr or patty mills can hold OKC back up point reggie jackson..... so you got two guys waiting to go off on them. Westbrook doesn't get tired.

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Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

Gene, you sound like Manu after game 4. Sometimes you gotta lose the battle to win the war. Have you heard of a smokescreen? Don't believe everything you see. The Thunder are thinking the exact same thing you are right now, because Pop helped them think that.

Come on do you really think the Thunder are that stupid and Naive? They are fully aware of what the spurs can do to them. Evidence is in games 1 and 2. I was sold on the spurs pre ibaka. i've said it before but this guy changes the whole dynamic for the exact reasons i mentioned earlier. He makes their useless gimpy bigs actually worth something because he's a straight up force ALA Anthony Davis on the Pelicans.... he's that kinda lanky muscular super athletic guy.

Aside from that the Thunder is coming in with a blend of revenge and having experienced a crushing defeat before as well. Last year didn't bode well for them. And i can assure 2012 and how they got absolutely crushed by the heat in the finals is fresh in their minds..... so the spurs aren't the only ones playing with some kinda special chip on their shoulder.

They have bounced back plenty of times this playoffs. Including a complete blowout of memphis down 3-2 in the series going on the road. They shoulda have cracked the clippers and been up 3-1 in that series but had an enormous meltdown and blew that 11 point lead. They managed to rebound and win after (granted it was controversial). Then they managed to come into LA again and fend off a hungry Clippers team. It looked all doom and gloom but they hung around and then they caught absolute fire and crushed the Clippers on their own floor in game 6 to close them out.

With Ibaka playing no worse than he played before this "injury" I don't see how this team does not stay within 5 points tonight and possibly win outright. They are coming off two super hot shooting performances and equally good defensive performance. The less rest they get the higher the chances of them staying that hott..... they will bring it tonight. You'll know Spurs are in trouble if they're playing well but the Thunder is hanging around there....

Aside from that Westbrook is running all over Parker..... Neither parkr or patty mills can hold OKC back up point reggie jackson..... so you got two guys waiting to go off on them. Westbrook doesn't get tired.

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 7:29 PM ET #38

Quote Originally Posted by GeneCam27:

Come on do you really think the Thunder are that stupid and Naive? They are fully aware of what the spurs can do to them. Evidence is in games 1 and 2. I was sold on the spurs pre ibaka. i've said it before but this guy changes the whole dynamic for the exact reasons i mentioned earlier. He makes their useless gimpy bigs actually worth something because he's a straight up force ALA Anthony Davis on the Pelicans.... he's that kinda lanky muscular super athletic guy.

Aside from that the Thunder is coming in with a blend of revenge and having experienced a crushing defeat before as well. Last year didn't bode well for them. And i can assure 2012 and how they got absolutely crushed by the heat in the finals is fresh in their minds..... so the spurs aren't the only ones playing with some kinda special chip on their shoulder.

They have bounced back plenty of times this playoffs. Including a complete blowout of memphis down 3-2 in the series going on the road. They shoulda have cracked the clippers and been up 3-1 in that series but had an enormous meltdown and blew that 11 point lead. They managed to rebound and win after (granted it was controversial). Then they managed to come into LA again and fend off a hungry Clippers team. It looked all doom and gloom but they hung around and then they caught absolute fire and crushed the Clippers on their own floor in game 6 to close them out.

With Ibaka playing no worse than he played before this "injury" I don't see how this team does not stay within 5 points tonight and possibly win outright. They are coming off two super hot shooting performances and equally good defensive performance. The less rest they get the higher the chances of them staying that hott..... they will bring it tonight. You'll know Spurs are in trouble if they're playing well but the Thunder is hanging around there....

Aside from that Westbrook is running all over Parker..... Neither parkr or patty mills can hold OKC back up point reggie jackson..... so you got two guys waiting to go off on them. Westbrook doesn't get tired.

I agree. The 5 points here is very generous considering that Ibaka played so well in games 3 and 4. OKC has all of the momentum yet the line is virtually the same as games 1 (5) and 2 (5.5)???

Gambling is mostly a 50/50 proposition, but Beginner Boys argument for the Spurs is a weak one. Not much substance in that write up!

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Quote Originally Posted by GeneCam27:

Come on do you really think the Thunder are that stupid and Naive? They are fully aware of what the spurs can do to them. Evidence is in games 1 and 2. I was sold on the spurs pre ibaka. i've said it before but this guy changes the whole dynamic for the exact reasons i mentioned earlier. He makes their useless gimpy bigs actually worth something because he's a straight up force ALA Anthony Davis on the Pelicans.... he's that kinda lanky muscular super athletic guy.

Aside from that the Thunder is coming in with a blend of revenge and having experienced a crushing defeat before as well. Last year didn't bode well for them. And i can assure 2012 and how they got absolutely crushed by the heat in the finals is fresh in their minds..... so the spurs aren't the only ones playing with some kinda special chip on their shoulder.

They have bounced back plenty of times this playoffs. Including a complete blowout of memphis down 3-2 in the series going on the road. They shoulda have cracked the clippers and been up 3-1 in that series but had an enormous meltdown and blew that 11 point lead. They managed to rebound and win after (granted it was controversial). Then they managed to come into LA again and fend off a hungry Clippers team. It looked all doom and gloom but they hung around and then they caught absolute fire and crushed the Clippers on their own floor in game 6 to close them out.

With Ibaka playing no worse than he played before this "injury" I don't see how this team does not stay within 5 points tonight and possibly win outright. They are coming off two super hot shooting performances and equally good defensive performance. The less rest they get the higher the chances of them staying that hott..... they will bring it tonight. You'll know Spurs are in trouble if they're playing well but the Thunder is hanging around there....

Aside from that Westbrook is running all over Parker..... Neither parkr or patty mills can hold OKC back up point reggie jackson..... so you got two guys waiting to go off on them. Westbrook doesn't get tired.

I agree. The 5 points here is very generous considering that Ibaka played so well in games 3 and 4. OKC has all of the momentum yet the line is virtually the same as games 1 (5) and 2 (5.5)???

Gambling is mostly a 50/50 proposition, but Beginner Boys argument for the Spurs is a weak one. Not much substance in that write up!

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 8:53 PM ET #39

Spurs play consistently whether its at home or the on road.....

We've seen them rock everyone on the road. They got absolutely crushed in OKC..... I did not like what I saw from them at all, especially after game 4 where they should have bounced back in that game 4 they got blown out even harder.

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scalabrine

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 9:29 PM ET #40

Well it's official, Reggie is not injured in the least which blows for Spurs backers...

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RodWoman

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 11:13 PM ET #41

Great call. You guys are pretty smart!

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begginerboy

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 11:19 PM ET #42

Quote Originally Posted by RodWoman:

Great call. You guys are pretty smart!

Hey, I'm starting to like you.

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melossinglet

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 11:23 PM ET #43

nice,beginnerboy

...you are on a real nice hot streak...well done my man!!!!!

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scalabrine

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 11:28 PM ET #44

You posted the two most sure-fire winners back to back all year:

A ref-led Pacers ML win and a Spurs romp.

All free, all with write-ups.

All people had to do was read and tail and make a lot of money.

It was all here guys...

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begginerboy

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 11:32 PM ET #45

Thanks, Melo. Thanks, Scal. I appreciate it. A lot of nay sayers in this thread today, so this is nice. And now all the OKC backers can bet on the Thunder for game 6!

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Rave_Green

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 11:38 PM ET #46

Nice work, BB.

Spurs bench outscored OKC 55-21

SA 3 pt. shooting 13-26

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melossinglet

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 11:38 PM ET #47

yep,thunder will make it 3 in a row for "fish in a barrel" money makers.waiting on your next one,beginnerboy....no way no how will they let their season end in this game at home...wat do you think the line will start at,given the non-stop blowouts so far and the must-win situation??you think the books brave enuff to just leave it at -3 thunder??i know they cant shift it too much but just wondering???

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GeneCam27

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 11:41 PM ET #48

BeginnerBoy and Scal

Gene

OKC almost covered though.

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tbone4au

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 11:56 PM ET #49

well done sir, well done ...thought for sure I had a split until all OKC starters hit the bench..then I knew my over was in trouble

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begginerboy

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Posted: May. 29, 2014 - 11:56 PM ET #50

Melo, I think the line stays around 3 or 4. The books are in a real bind here. I don't know if I've ever seen anything like this.

Gene, no worries, you'll get the next one!

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