I think you misunderstood how I used the word "Expose." I meant that you are trying to expose them as frauds who don't cap at all, not "expose" their system.
You don't like the fact that he doesn't post lines? Who cares? I don't like Cheerios so I eat Honey Bunches of Oats. Just ignore him dude and go somewhere else. You're just antagonizing a couple of cappers who have the respect of a lot of people in this forum
im not antagonizing anyone, its a used system, people asked me what it was and i told them...tinoker and humble refused to tell them... whats the big secret?
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Quote Originally Posted by JeffLebowski:
I think you misunderstood how I used the word "Expose." I meant that you are trying to expose them as frauds who don't cap at all, not "expose" their system.
You don't like the fact that he doesn't post lines? Who cares? I don't like Cheerios so I eat Honey Bunches of Oats. Just ignore him dude and go somewhere else. You're just antagonizing a couple of cappers who have the respect of a lot of people in this forum
im not antagonizing anyone, its a used system, people asked me what it was and i told them...tinoker and humble refused to tell them... whats the big secret?
Come on Jeff u been here long enough... telling people to use samrt money management and then use this dog shit system that every wanna be T**T uses... i cant believe u actually thik im tryuing to expose handicappers stsyles..
Look man, I cap my own games, pick my own spots and manage my money well, which is why I've been able to do this somewhat successfully for 16 years. I happen to play NBA 1Q lines, and when there's someone out there doing exactly that and doing it well, before I lock in, I'll take a look at what he's got. Will it change my play? Rarely. Will I take another look at my play? Probably.
Like I said man, people in here can make their own decisions, and don't need anyone babysitting them, telling them who's a fraud and who's not. If anyone is blindly tailing a capper, they're eventually going to run into problems.
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you man, I think your heart's in the right place, but there's no need to fight with anyone else in here. Like I said, we're all on the same side, trying to beat the books, and if you feel a thread or capper isn't useful, you can just ignore it
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Quote Originally Posted by URISS2302:
Come on Jeff u been here long enough... telling people to use samrt money management and then use this dog shit system that every wanna be T**T uses... i cant believe u actually thik im tryuing to expose handicappers stsyles..
Look man, I cap my own games, pick my own spots and manage my money well, which is why I've been able to do this somewhat successfully for 16 years. I happen to play NBA 1Q lines, and when there's someone out there doing exactly that and doing it well, before I lock in, I'll take a look at what he's got. Will it change my play? Rarely. Will I take another look at my play? Probably.
Like I said man, people in here can make their own decisions, and don't need anyone babysitting them, telling them who's a fraud and who's not. If anyone is blindly tailing a capper, they're eventually going to run into problems.
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you man, I think your heart's in the right place, but there's no need to fight with anyone else in here. Like I said, we're all on the same side, trying to beat the books, and if you feel a thread or capper isn't useful, you can just ignore it
Look man, I cap my own games, pick my own spots and manage my money well, which is why I've been able to do this somewhat successfully for 16 years. I happen to play NBA 1Q lines, and when there's someone out there doing exactly that and doing it well, before I lock in, I'll take a look at what he's got. Will it change my play? Rarely. Will I take another look at my play? Probably.
Like I said man, people in here can make their own decisions, and don't need anyone babysitting them, telling them who's a fraud and who's not. If anyone is blindly tailing a capper, they're eventually going to run into problems.
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you man, I think your heart's in the right place, but there's no need to fight with anyone else in here. Like I said, we're all on the same side, trying to beat the books, and if you feel a thread or capper isn't useful, you can just ignore it
my heart is in the right place it just comes off like I am bashing these people, but im not... I can see what u r saying though, i can see how what i say can be perceived that way... Im just trying to let them know its a used system that wil lose in the long run... Im happy they are winning but it will lose them more down the road... its throwing darts at a dart board 100ft away...
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Quote Originally Posted by JeffLebowski:
Look man, I cap my own games, pick my own spots and manage my money well, which is why I've been able to do this somewhat successfully for 16 years. I happen to play NBA 1Q lines, and when there's someone out there doing exactly that and doing it well, before I lock in, I'll take a look at what he's got. Will it change my play? Rarely. Will I take another look at my play? Probably.
Like I said man, people in here can make their own decisions, and don't need anyone babysitting them, telling them who's a fraud and who's not. If anyone is blindly tailing a capper, they're eventually going to run into problems.
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you man, I think your heart's in the right place, but there's no need to fight with anyone else in here. Like I said, we're all on the same side, trying to beat the books, and if you feel a thread or capper isn't useful, you can just ignore it
my heart is in the right place it just comes off like I am bashing these people, but im not... I can see what u r saying though, i can see how what i say can be perceived that way... Im just trying to let them know its a used system that wil lose in the long run... Im happy they are winning but it will lose them more down the road... its throwing darts at a dart board 100ft away...
im not antagonizing anyone, its a used system, people asked me what it was and i told them...tinoker and humble refused to tell them... whats the big secret?
I don't think that's how a lot of people in here are perceiving what you're doing...
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Quote Originally Posted by URISS2302:
im not antagonizing anyone, its a used system, people asked me what it was and i told them...tinoker and humble refused to tell them... whats the big secret?
I don't think that's how a lot of people in here are perceiving what you're doing...
Uriss it isn't about the system comments for everyone getting upset... its you pushing for him to tell his lines. He has said multiple times he wont. Some agree with you and other just dont give a shit because they just expect/hope they are the same as their books lines. So you pushing that aspect is what is pissing him and others off... mainly because it is pissing him off it upsets the others too thats all.
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Uriss it isn't about the system comments for everyone getting upset... its you pushing for him to tell his lines. He has said multiple times he wont. Some agree with you and other just dont give a shit because they just expect/hope they are the same as their books lines. So you pushing that aspect is what is pissing him and others off... mainly because it is pissing him off it upsets the others too thats all.
Uriss it isn't about the system comments for everyone getting upset... its you pushing for him to tell his lines. He has said multiple times he wont. Some agree with you and other just dont give a shit because they just expect/hope they are the same as their books lines. So you pushing that aspect is what is pissing him and others off... mainly because it is pissing him off it upsets the others too thats all.
i just cant believe people follow others who dont even post the line... it baffles me beyond belief... whatever GL
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Quote Originally Posted by fizzle254:
Uriss it isn't about the system comments for everyone getting upset... its you pushing for him to tell his lines. He has said multiple times he wont. Some agree with you and other just dont give a shit because they just expect/hope they are the same as their books lines. So you pushing that aspect is what is pissing him and others off... mainly because it is pissing him off it upsets the others too thats all.
i just cant believe people follow others who dont even post the line... it baffles me beyond belief... whatever GL
Exactly Jeff... I'm just trying to figure out how to get to the answer of "what the books want you to bet" so I can at least know what the opposite side would be in the first place. And if someone would like to discuss with me or explain I would love it... PM away
You could write a diatribe about this but in short:
What the books want is even action on both sides.... this way, no matter who wins, the book wins, and just collects the vig...
Contrarian betting, in short, is betting against the public. However, the "public" side is often a matter of perception; in other words, it's basically subjective. It's basically who you perceive the books to "want" the money on. Often, these are popular big market teams (Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, etc.) or lines that cappers feel are "traps" (The Colts giving less than a FG at home in the playoffs, or Miami -9 in the 2H tonight because they "can't" lost to the Clips). Anyway, it's subjective nature really doesn't make it possible to make it a system. Where you can find sites with numbers as to what the public is on, or the % of money, often the numbers are either inaccurate, or not indicative of the whole story.
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Quote Originally Posted by fizzle254:
Exactly Jeff... I'm just trying to figure out how to get to the answer of "what the books want you to bet" so I can at least know what the opposite side would be in the first place. And if someone would like to discuss with me or explain I would love it... PM away
You could write a diatribe about this but in short:
What the books want is even action on both sides.... this way, no matter who wins, the book wins, and just collects the vig...
Contrarian betting, in short, is betting against the public. However, the "public" side is often a matter of perception; in other words, it's basically subjective. It's basically who you perceive the books to "want" the money on. Often, these are popular big market teams (Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, etc.) or lines that cappers feel are "traps" (The Colts giving less than a FG at home in the playoffs, or Miami -9 in the 2H tonight because they "can't" lost to the Clips). Anyway, it's subjective nature really doesn't make it possible to make it a system. Where you can find sites with numbers as to what the public is on, or the % of money, often the numbers are either inaccurate, or not indicative of the whole story.
You could write a diatribe about this but in short:
What the books want is even action on both sides.... this way, no matter who wins, the book wins, and just collects the vig...
Contrarian betting, in short, is betting against the public. However, the "public" side is often a matter of perception; in other words, it's basically subjective. It's basically who you perceive the books to "want" the money on. Often, these are popular big market teams (Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, etc.) or lines that cappers feel are "traps" (The Colts giving less than a FG at home in the playoffs, or Miami -9 in the 2H tonight because they "can't" lost to the Clips). Anyway, it's subjective nature really doesn't make it possible to make it a system. Where you can find sites with numbers as to what the public is on, or the % of money, often the numbers are either inaccurate, or not indicative of the whole story.
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Quote Originally Posted by JeffLebowski:
You could write a diatribe about this but in short:
What the books want is even action on both sides.... this way, no matter who wins, the book wins, and just collects the vig...
Contrarian betting, in short, is betting against the public. However, the "public" side is often a matter of perception; in other words, it's basically subjective. It's basically who you perceive the books to "want" the money on. Often, these are popular big market teams (Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, etc.) or lines that cappers feel are "traps" (The Colts giving less than a FG at home in the playoffs, or Miami -9 in the 2H tonight because they "can't" lost to the Clips). Anyway, it's subjective nature really doesn't make it possible to make it a system. Where you can find sites with numbers as to what the public is on, or the % of money, often the numbers are either inaccurate, or not indicative of the whole story.
When people say " I am betting so and so because the public is on them and the public always loses"... This is the WORST way to bet... Yet you will ALWAYS see hundreds of threads started that say The Public is on team A Team B is a lock... This is wrong because NOBODY knows what the public is on and the lines makers main GOAL is not to have the PUBLIC bet one team and the other win... The lines makers GOAL is to set the line where they will get even action... when the action become one sided the line moves, MOST OF THE TIME..not always...(Reverse line movement betting is bad as well)... The lines makers just want to win there 10 cent juice that is all... The big conspiracy that people think they know something others dont is inaccurate,,, Its still GAMBLING... When u can understand that BETTING is SITUATIONAL and NOT a PERCEPTION of what the "SHARPS" are on or "PUBLIC" is on you may start winning at a succesful rate
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When people say " I am betting so and so because the public is on them and the public always loses"... This is the WORST way to bet... Yet you will ALWAYS see hundreds of threads started that say The Public is on team A Team B is a lock... This is wrong because NOBODY knows what the public is on and the lines makers main GOAL is not to have the PUBLIC bet one team and the other win... The lines makers GOAL is to set the line where they will get even action... when the action become one sided the line moves, MOST OF THE TIME..not always...(Reverse line movement betting is bad as well)... The lines makers just want to win there 10 cent juice that is all... The big conspiracy that people think they know something others dont is inaccurate,,, Its still GAMBLING... When u can understand that BETTING is SITUATIONAL and NOT a PERCEPTION of what the "SHARPS" are on or "PUBLIC" is on you may start winning at a succesful rate
JUST A REMINDER EVERYONE...YOU REALLY NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON YOUR MONEY MANAGEMENT...JUST BECAUSE WE STROKED IT DOESNT MEAN TONIGHT IS GONNA BE THE SAME! STAY DISCIPLINED AND LETS WIN SOME $$$
GL TIN
Where did you get that avatar? I banged that girl 4 years ago in Louisiana. No lie
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Quote Originally Posted by humbleness1235:
HERE WE GO!!!
JUST A REMINDER EVERYONE...YOU REALLY NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON YOUR MONEY MANAGEMENT...JUST BECAUSE WE STROKED IT DOESNT MEAN TONIGHT IS GONNA BE THE SAME! STAY DISCIPLINED AND LETS WIN SOME $$$
GL TIN
Where did you get that avatar? I banged that girl 4 years ago in Louisiana. No lie
I would guess that Jeff is a VERY successful better
I have my ups and downs, like everyone, but unlike a lot of people my ups and downs aren't extreme because of careful money management. Slow and steady wins the race, and in the long run, I've turned a somewhat generous profit over the last 11 years. I don't do this professionally, but as a hobby for someone who loves both numbers and sports.
That being said, this came with a lot of learning the hard way my first 5 or so years. Without trying to sound like a broken record, we're all here to help each other and beat the books. If I had a resource like this my first few years wagering, I could have saved myself a lot of money and grief
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Quote Originally Posted by URISS2302:
I would guess that Jeff is a VERY successful better
I have my ups and downs, like everyone, but unlike a lot of people my ups and downs aren't extreme because of careful money management. Slow and steady wins the race, and in the long run, I've turned a somewhat generous profit over the last 11 years. I don't do this professionally, but as a hobby for someone who loves both numbers and sports.
That being said, this came with a lot of learning the hard way my first 5 or so years. Without trying to sound like a broken record, we're all here to help each other and beat the books. If I had a resource like this my first few years wagering, I could have saved myself a lot of money and grief
Not sure about all the bashing going on. I've been on this site for ALONG time and I will say that I have seen this system before, seen it do well and have also seen it been crushed. One thing I never have understood about this site is everyone is so on edge all the time looking to call people out whenever they get the chance. Bet it, fade it, do whatever you want I don't care, Uriss doesn't care. All I have to say is if you have never heard of a poster by the name of "Matrixx" you all have a lot to learn...
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Not sure about all the bashing going on. I've been on this site for ALONG time and I will say that I have seen this system before, seen it do well and have also seen it been crushed. One thing I never have understood about this site is everyone is so on edge all the time looking to call people out whenever they get the chance. Bet it, fade it, do whatever you want I don't care, Uriss doesn't care. All I have to say is if you have never heard of a poster by the name of "Matrixx" you all have a lot to learn...
It's like being at the bar just before closing. The drunk idiot tough guys start coming out of the wood work. Thanks again Tin and Humble for the work you put in. Until tomorrow.
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Quote Originally Posted by J-HA:
It's like being at the bar just before closing. The drunk idiot tough guys start coming out of the wood work. Thanks again Tin and Humble for the work you put in. Until tomorrow.
YOU COULDNT EVER FIGURE IT OUT...TRUST ME!!! WE SHOULD EACH THROW $10K IN A ACCOUNT AND IF YOU THINK YOU ARE SO GOOD AT IT...THE WINNER GETS TO KEEP THE OTHERS $10K! TRUST ME...YOU HAVE NO IDEA
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Quote Originally Posted by humbleness1235:
YOU COULDNT EVER FIGURE IT OUT...TRUST ME!!! WE SHOULD EACH THROW $10K IN A ACCOUNT AND IF YOU THINK YOU ARE SO GOOD AT IT...THE WINNER GETS TO KEEP THE OTHERS $10K! TRUST ME...YOU HAVE NO IDEA
so like I said what they are doing is a used and abused failed system which I have explained to u... There is no secret behind what they are doing, its been used by MANY covers members in the past. Most are no longer with us... You draw ur own conclusions... BOL
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so like I said what they are doing is a used and abused failed system which I have explained to u... There is no secret behind what they are doing, its been used by MANY covers members in the past. Most are no longer with us... You draw ur own conclusions... BOL
Uriss why do you care so much? Whom ever follows Humble and Tin do it at their own discretion. We come here to have fun ,try and make some money , not to listen to people bitch and moan and trash these picks. Who cares how they get the picks and what system is used. Most of us in here don't care. If you don't like it don't come into the thread. Its simple.
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Uriss why do you care so much? Whom ever follows Humble and Tin do it at their own discretion. We come here to have fun ,try and make some money , not to listen to people bitch and moan and trash these picks. Who cares how they get the picks and what system is used. Most of us in here don't care. If you don't like it don't come into the thread. Its simple.
BY THE WAY URISS...I WILL TELL YOU STRAIGHT UP THAT THIS IS NOT ENJOYS SYSTEM..LOOK AT HIS PLAYS COMPARED TO MINE!! THEY ARE ALWAYS DIFFERENT...EXPLAIN ME THAT...ENJOY'S SYSTEM IS BASED ON HISTORY OF THE SITUATIONS THESE GAMES ARE PUT INTO ..ITS ABOUT TRENDS WITH HIM! I HAVE THE SYSTEM IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO EMAIL IT TO YOU!!! I GO STRICTLY BY LINES AND THATS IT...ITS JUST GETTING REALLY OLD THAT YOU THINK YOU ALWAYS KNOW EVERYTHING WHICH REALLY YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING...LIKE I SAID I WILL EMAIL YOU ENJOYS SYSTEM IF YOU WOULD LIKE AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM USING!!!
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BY THE WAY URISS...I WILL TELL YOU STRAIGHT UP THAT THIS IS NOT ENJOYS SYSTEM..LOOK AT HIS PLAYS COMPARED TO MINE!! THEY ARE ALWAYS DIFFERENT...EXPLAIN ME THAT...ENJOY'S SYSTEM IS BASED ON HISTORY OF THE SITUATIONS THESE GAMES ARE PUT INTO ..ITS ABOUT TRENDS WITH HIM! I HAVE THE SYSTEM IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO EMAIL IT TO YOU!!! I GO STRICTLY BY LINES AND THATS IT...ITS JUST GETTING REALLY OLD THAT YOU THINK YOU ALWAYS KNOW EVERYTHING WHICH REALLY YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING...LIKE I SAID I WILL EMAIL YOU ENJOYS SYSTEM IF YOU WOULD LIKE AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM USING!!!
AND FOR THE RECORD I DONT REMEMBER A NIGHT WHERE I HAVE HAD AN ACTUALL LOSING RECORD SINCE I POSTED...MAYBE 1 1-3 NIGHT...I HAVE HAD A FEW JUICE OUT NIGHTS BUT NOT A LOSING RECORD NIGHT...ITS BEEN A MONTH AND A HALF...JUST AN FYI
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AND FOR THE RECORD I DONT REMEMBER A NIGHT WHERE I HAVE HAD AN ACTUALL LOSING RECORD SINCE I POSTED...MAYBE 1 1-3 NIGHT...I HAVE HAD A FEW JUICE OUT NIGHTS BUT NOT A LOSING RECORD NIGHT...ITS BEEN A MONTH AND A HALF...JUST AN FYI
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i havn't tailed on all 447.5 units only about 200 of them!
seems to me whats going on here is money is being won
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