First up, I won some big money in the regular season of football and college football this year and cashed out. The online book sent me a bank wire. I never had problems with them for years. My deposit method was MasterCard so the only way to cashout was bank wire.
The money was received within days and the cash was reserved at the bank in advance. So when the wire reached me, I had no problem taking the 50K in cash... on 2 occasions! My winnings were well into the 6-figures.
However, a few weeks later the bank manager started asking me questions. After I already told him they were winnings from online sports betting (which is legal here in Canada) he continued asking me more questions like if I was doing this for someone else and then told me my account was not an "ordinary" account with everyday banking transactions. Anyways, that matter was cleared HOWEVER,
The bank that issued the MasterCard now called me up for interrogations as if I was a criminal. After winning big, naturally I started losing some money back. I had about $60-70K that was deposited into the checking account with that bank (we'll call it bank2) in ckunks of $500-3000 over several months, which were immediately transferred to my MasterCard in order for me to be able to deposit into sportsbook.
MasterCard's user agreement even mentions that online gaming transactions are treated as "cash advances" and will incur a fee of $2.50. So not only MC allows these type of transactions, they make money off of it. Bank2 however says that I can keep my MC but I will have to close my checking account because Bank2 does not "like" these type of in-and-out accounts. I told them everything, the entire truth. Everything that I did was 100% legit and legal, yet they still accuse me of possible money laundering, undeclared revenue and all kinds of other non-sense.
What the hell do the banks want? They can't obligate me to use my debit card for "everyday purchases" if I prefer to use cash. I do not trust the banks enough to leave my bankroll in it. They cheat you, change user agreements left and right, tag you with hidden fees, play with words to suck every last penny they can, breach contracts at their discretion and even go around the law.
They ask me stupid question like what is the source of the funds and can I prove it? WTF? This is CANADA and the bank is not the police to tell me what I can and cannot do with MY own money.
Now I got 30 days to close that account. That would be a disaster if I cannot gamble with MasterCard. It's the only way that can allow you to get a bank wire withdrawal. Most banks VISA already don't allow online gaming transactions.
I will still have my MC but I won't be able to deposit into my checking account from the outside and transfer to my MC for the funds to be available instantly.
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First up, I won some big money in the regular season of football and college football this year and cashed out. The online book sent me a bank wire. I never had problems with them for years. My deposit method was MasterCard so the only way to cashout was bank wire.
The money was received within days and the cash was reserved at the bank in advance. So when the wire reached me, I had no problem taking the 50K in cash... on 2 occasions! My winnings were well into the 6-figures.
However, a few weeks later the bank manager started asking me questions. After I already told him they were winnings from online sports betting (which is legal here in Canada) he continued asking me more questions like if I was doing this for someone else and then told me my account was not an "ordinary" account with everyday banking transactions. Anyways, that matter was cleared HOWEVER,
The bank that issued the MasterCard now called me up for interrogations as if I was a criminal. After winning big, naturally I started losing some money back. I had about $60-70K that was deposited into the checking account with that bank (we'll call it bank2) in ckunks of $500-3000 over several months, which were immediately transferred to my MasterCard in order for me to be able to deposit into sportsbook.
MasterCard's user agreement even mentions that online gaming transactions are treated as "cash advances" and will incur a fee of $2.50. So not only MC allows these type of transactions, they make money off of it. Bank2 however says that I can keep my MC but I will have to close my checking account because Bank2 does not "like" these type of in-and-out accounts. I told them everything, the entire truth. Everything that I did was 100% legit and legal, yet they still accuse me of possible money laundering, undeclared revenue and all kinds of other non-sense.
What the hell do the banks want? They can't obligate me to use my debit card for "everyday purchases" if I prefer to use cash. I do not trust the banks enough to leave my bankroll in it. They cheat you, change user agreements left and right, tag you with hidden fees, play with words to suck every last penny they can, breach contracts at their discretion and even go around the law.
They ask me stupid question like what is the source of the funds and can I prove it? WTF? This is CANADA and the bank is not the police to tell me what I can and cannot do with MY own money.
Now I got 30 days to close that account. That would be a disaster if I cannot gamble with MasterCard. It's the only way that can allow you to get a bank wire withdrawal. Most banks VISA already don't allow online gaming transactions.
I will still have my MC but I won't be able to deposit into my checking account from the outside and transfer to my MC for the funds to be available instantly.
Bro, dont ever wire more than $10,000 at a time.........also, always cash out using a cashiers check............take out 2 cashiers checks a month if possible for $9,000
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Bro, dont ever wire more than $10,000 at a time.........also, always cash out using a cashiers check............take out 2 cashiers checks a month if possible for $9,000
How? Did you leave your money in NETeller? Or did you make a withdrawal from your online bookie into NETeller and they insta-stole your money before you got a chance to take it out? If the latter, then shit, what scumbags!
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How? Did you leave your money in NETeller? Or did you make a withdrawal from your online bookie into NETeller and they insta-stole your money before you got a chance to take it out? If the latter, then shit, what scumbags!
Bro, dont ever wire more than $10,000 at a time.........also, always cash out using a cashiers check............take out 2 cashiers checks a month if possible for $9,000
Bank wire was the only option. It incurs a fee and for $100K, I will not cash out $10K ten times. That's even more fishy in the eyes of the bank. The $50K's that I cashed out I was able to tell them straight up that they were my winnings online. The issue with Bank1 is resolved, I have been with them for many years.
It's Bank2 that's shutting me out. All I did was:
-Deposit large sums of cash in checking account -Immediately transfer funds to MC -Use MC for online gaming and other daily purchases. Everything 100% legal.
-Gambling winnings are not taxed in Canada. -Lifetime, I am DOWN in gambling. -I go to Vegas and other casino destinations quite often and bring 10's of thousands with me in cash. I fill out a small form at Airport customs and that's about it. No further questions.
These banks are worst than the mafia!
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Quote Originally Posted by PrimeTimeBoys:
Bro, dont ever wire more than $10,000 at a time.........also, always cash out using a cashiers check............take out 2 cashiers checks a month if possible for $9,000
Bank wire was the only option. It incurs a fee and for $100K, I will not cash out $10K ten times. That's even more fishy in the eyes of the bank. The $50K's that I cashed out I was able to tell them straight up that they were my winnings online. The issue with Bank1 is resolved, I have been with them for many years.
It's Bank2 that's shutting me out. All I did was:
-Deposit large sums of cash in checking account -Immediately transfer funds to MC -Use MC for online gaming and other daily purchases. Everything 100% legal.
-Gambling winnings are not taxed in Canada. -Lifetime, I am DOWN in gambling. -I go to Vegas and other casino destinations quite often and bring 10's of thousands with me in cash. I fill out a small form at Airport customs and that's about it. No further questions.
When shit went down a few years back I took all my money out of every book and poker room. Into Neteller which then was frozen for 6+ months. Then they tell me story after story. When I press the issue they threaten to tell the IRS to which I say fine, tell'em. They never responed to me after that. 33 thousand and some change. Down the tubes.
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When shit went down a few years back I took all my money out of every book and poker room. Into Neteller which then was frozen for 6+ months. Then they tell me story after story. When I press the issue they threaten to tell the IRS to which I say fine, tell'em. They never responed to me after that. 33 thousand and some change. Down the tubes.
The banking institutions are not but organized criminals that have a lot of money & power behind them.........they have governments behind them & they change the rules anytime they want............
You can thank president Bush for implementing the Patriot act after 911............also, that Patriot act was written years in advance knowing something huge would happen & would be the right time to implement the Patriot act.........
Anyway, once it was implemented, it makes all of us here in the USA (I know your in Canada, but you guys do what the USA says, pretty much) it makes us guilty of anything until we can prove our innocence................lots of red tape & they can confiscate your money & make up b.s. excuses............
Its only gonna get worse in the next few years so..............good luck with your problem with dealing with the banks................
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The banking institutions are not but organized criminals that have a lot of money & power behind them.........they have governments behind them & they change the rules anytime they want............
You can thank president Bush for implementing the Patriot act after 911............also, that Patriot act was written years in advance knowing something huge would happen & would be the right time to implement the Patriot act.........
Anyway, once it was implemented, it makes all of us here in the USA (I know your in Canada, but you guys do what the USA says, pretty much) it makes us guilty of anything until we can prove our innocence................lots of red tape & they can confiscate your money & make up b.s. excuses............
Its only gonna get worse in the next few years so..............good luck with your problem with dealing with the banks................
When shit went down a few years back I took all my money out of every book and poker room. Into Neteller which then was frozen for 6+ months. Then they tell me story after story. When I press the issue they threaten to tell the IRS to which I say fine, tell'em. They never responed to me after that. 33 thousand and some change. Down the tubes.
Bro, thats embezzlement & they did it to you & many others.........the crooked banks & governments are allowing this because they are getting kick backs...............if you embezzle money for a company, you get jail time but since its your money going to a huge corporation, that got you by the balls.................& they threaten you with telling the IRS they are a f**king joke just like this government......corrupt & malicious in everything they do.
Everyone in the USA should stop payment on their credit cards & house payments. what are they gonna do, throw everyone out of their houses? no, they will get the point, everyone should revolt, thats the only way we get things straightened in this country..............
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Quote Originally Posted by TheTotalHunter:
When shit went down a few years back I took all my money out of every book and poker room. Into Neteller which then was frozen for 6+ months. Then they tell me story after story. When I press the issue they threaten to tell the IRS to which I say fine, tell'em. They never responed to me after that. 33 thousand and some change. Down the tubes.
Bro, thats embezzlement & they did it to you & many others.........the crooked banks & governments are allowing this because they are getting kick backs...............if you embezzle money for a company, you get jail time but since its your money going to a huge corporation, that got you by the balls.................& they threaten you with telling the IRS they are a f**king joke just like this government......corrupt & malicious in everything they do.
Everyone in the USA should stop payment on their credit cards & house payments. what are they gonna do, throw everyone out of their houses? no, they will get the point, everyone should revolt, thats the only way we get things straightened in this country..............
Bank wire was the only option. It incurs a fee and for $100K, I will not cash out $10K ten times. That's even more fishy in the eyes of the bank. The $50K's that I cashed out I was able to tell them straight up that they were my winnings online. The issue with Bank1 is resolved, I have been with them for many years.
It's Bank2 that's shutting me out. All I did was:
-Deposit large sums of cash in checking account -Immediately transfer funds to MC -Use MC for online gaming and other daily purchases. Everything 100% legal.
-Gambling winnings are not taxed in Canada. -Lifetime, I am DOWN in gambling. -I go to Vegas and other casino destinations quite often and bring 10's of thousands with me in cash. I fill out a small form at Airport customs and that's about it. No further questions.
These banks are worst than the mafia!
Mafia has nothing on the banking system & the governments that back them..............if you get all your money, I suggest getting locals & keep the online books for smaller wagers & possible multiple parlays & gimmicks...............
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Quote Originally Posted by eddothebook:
Bank wire was the only option. It incurs a fee and for $100K, I will not cash out $10K ten times. That's even more fishy in the eyes of the bank. The $50K's that I cashed out I was able to tell them straight up that they were my winnings online. The issue with Bank1 is resolved, I have been with them for many years.
It's Bank2 that's shutting me out. All I did was:
-Deposit large sums of cash in checking account -Immediately transfer funds to MC -Use MC for online gaming and other daily purchases. Everything 100% legal.
-Gambling winnings are not taxed in Canada. -Lifetime, I am DOWN in gambling. -I go to Vegas and other casino destinations quite often and bring 10's of thousands with me in cash. I fill out a small form at Airport customs and that's about it. No further questions.
These banks are worst than the mafia!
Mafia has nothing on the banking system & the governments that back them..............if you get all your money, I suggest getting locals & keep the online books for smaller wagers & possible multiple parlays & gimmicks...............
Bro, thats embezzlement & they did it to you & many others.........the crooked banks & governments are allowing this because they are getting kick backs...............if you embezzle money for a company, you get jail time but since its your money going to a huge corporation, that got you by the balls.................& they threaten you with telling the IRS they are a f**king joke just like this government......corrupt & malicious in everything they do.
Everyone in the USA should stop payment on their credit cards & house payments. what are they gonna do, throw everyone out of their houses? no, they will get the point, everyone should revolt, thats the only way we get things straightened in this country..............
Revolting is not the answer. People just need to be responsible for themselves and not cry all the time wanting someone else to bail them out.
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Quote Originally Posted by PrimeTimeBoys:
Bro, thats embezzlement & they did it to you & many others.........the crooked banks & governments are allowing this because they are getting kick backs...............if you embezzle money for a company, you get jail time but since its your money going to a huge corporation, that got you by the balls.................& they threaten you with telling the IRS they are a f**king joke just like this government......corrupt & malicious in everything they do.
Everyone in the USA should stop payment on their credit cards & house payments. what are they gonna do, throw everyone out of their houses? no, they will get the point, everyone should revolt, thats the only way we get things straightened in this country..............
Revolting is not the answer. People just need to be responsible for themselves and not cry all the time wanting someone else to bail them out.
How do I know the locals won't screw with me? In 7 years with my sportsbook, they have not taken $1 out of me wrongfully. Can I say the same about the bank? Hell no.
The bank pretends that an online gambling transaction to a MERCHAND is a "cash advance" so that they can take a $2.50 fee a pop and charge higher interest. No problem, what's $2.50 out of thousands?
I have been fully honest with the banks, telling them I got 50K coming to me as a bank wire from an online gaming company and I'd like them to order the cash for me for X date. And again on the following week.
But it's Bank2 that's threatening to close my account. Why? I am making them so much money with my transaction! And not doing anything wrong either.
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How do I know the locals won't screw with me? In 7 years with my sportsbook, they have not taken $1 out of me wrongfully. Can I say the same about the bank? Hell no.
The bank pretends that an online gambling transaction to a MERCHAND is a "cash advance" so that they can take a $2.50 fee a pop and charge higher interest. No problem, what's $2.50 out of thousands?
I have been fully honest with the banks, telling them I got 50K coming to me as a bank wire from an online gaming company and I'd like them to order the cash for me for X date. And again on the following week.
But it's Bank2 that's threatening to close my account. Why? I am making them so much money with my transaction! And not doing anything wrong either.
Revolting is not the answer. People just need to be responsible for themselves and not cry all the time wanting someone else to bail them out.
If banks did not suck so much money out of society, everyone would be able to afford a home and basic necessities without loans. Making loans accessible inflates the prices to a point where you HAVE to buy a house mortgaged and make payments for as long as possible in your lifetime.
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Quote Originally Posted by dimndimn:
Revolting is not the answer. People just need to be responsible for themselves and not cry all the time wanting someone else to bail them out.
If banks did not suck so much money out of society, everyone would be able to afford a home and basic necessities without loans. Making loans accessible inflates the prices to a point where you HAVE to buy a house mortgaged and make payments for as long as possible in your lifetime.
If banks did not suck so much money out of society, everyone would be able to afford a home and basic necessities without loans. Making loans accessible inflates the prices to a point where you HAVE to buy a house mortgaged and make payments for as long as possible in your lifetime.
Im curious to know the name of bank no 2? Im in canada Also had a smilar issue arise
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Quote Originally Posted by eddothebook:
If banks did not suck so much money out of society, everyone would be able to afford a home and basic necessities without loans. Making loans accessible inflates the prices to a point where you HAVE to buy a house mortgaged and make payments for as long as possible in your lifetime.
Im curious to know the name of bank no 2? Im in canada Also had a smilar issue arise
Revolting is not the answer. People just need to be responsible for themselves and not cry all the time wanting someone else to bail them out.
What do you mean we should take responsibility & stop crying out for help..............what do you think a revolt consists of, us the people taking the matter into our own hands.............if we were to wait on these clowns, we would be 90 yrs old with a cup in our hands.
The bankers & lawyers are the criminals in this day & age "I believe that is a quote from Scarface"............
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Quote Originally Posted by dimndimn:
Revolting is not the answer. People just need to be responsible for themselves and not cry all the time wanting someone else to bail them out.
What do you mean we should take responsibility & stop crying out for help..............what do you think a revolt consists of, us the people taking the matter into our own hands.............if we were to wait on these clowns, we would be 90 yrs old with a cup in our hands.
The bankers & lawyers are the criminals in this day & age "I believe that is a quote from Scarface"............
Prime what book do you use bro???Did you ever cash out bodog or bovada?Thanks bro
Bookmaker............I take a cashiers check of around $9,000 out once a month when im up big. I use to love doing thing through my e-check but everything went to shit with the damn government getting their hands in everything, I also use to online services with 2 locals like beteagle...............use to use 5dimes but got out of there 2 years ago.........
Used betonsports back in 1997 to 2002...........I started reading about how they were having problems with the feds & pulled out $7,000 I had in there. Lucky to get that because around 2003 I believe, they went belly up & everyone supposedly lost most of their money.
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Quote Originally Posted by Phillsrok:
Prime what book do you use bro???Did you ever cash out bodog or bovada?Thanks bro
Bookmaker............I take a cashiers check of around $9,000 out once a month when im up big. I use to love doing thing through my e-check but everything went to shit with the damn government getting their hands in everything, I also use to online services with 2 locals like beteagle...............use to use 5dimes but got out of there 2 years ago.........
Used betonsports back in 1997 to 2002...........I started reading about how they were having problems with the feds & pulled out $7,000 I had in there. Lucky to get that because around 2003 I believe, they went belly up & everyone supposedly lost most of their money.
man you Americans have it rough. Taxed for everything and getting your dosh is so hard...Land of the 'free' my ass...In Europe I place 2 to 3 HUGE bets a year. Setting this up was a pain in the ass and I can only do this with one book but once everything was sorted it has been easy every since. It does take 2-3 days to verify a big bet and 4-5 days to cashout, but overall it is so much easier then America. We don't get taxed for winning either...I travel all over the world but would never move to America..
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man you Americans have it rough. Taxed for everything and getting your dosh is so hard...Land of the 'free' my ass...In Europe I place 2 to 3 HUGE bets a year. Setting this up was a pain in the ass and I can only do this with one book but once everything was sorted it has been easy every since. It does take 2-3 days to verify a big bet and 4-5 days to cashout, but overall it is so much easier then America. We don't get taxed for winning either...I travel all over the world but would never move to America..
Im curious to know the name of bank no 2? Im in canada Also had a smilar issue arise
Not sure if mods will allow me to publicly post the name of the bank. I'll give you a hint: The logo is red and is it NOT based in a maritime province. Starts with the same letter as the 11th month of the year.
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Quote Originally Posted by TheSportsProfit:
Im curious to know the name of bank no 2? Im in canada Also had a smilar issue arise
Not sure if mods will allow me to publicly post the name of the bank. I'll give you a hint: The logo is red and is it NOT based in a maritime province. Starts with the same letter as the 11th month of the year.
When shit went down a few years back I took all my money out of every book and poker room. Into Neteller which then was frozen for 6+ months. Then they tell me story after story. When I press the issue they threaten to tell the IRS to which I say fine, tell'em. They never responed to me after that. 33 thousand and some change. Down the tubes.
33K? are you kidding me? WOW
If I had 33K stolen from me someone would be dead or seriously injured
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Quote Originally Posted by TheTotalHunter:
When shit went down a few years back I took all my money out of every book and poker room. Into Neteller which then was frozen for 6+ months. Then they tell me story after story. When I press the issue they threaten to tell the IRS to which I say fine, tell'em. They never responed to me after that. 33 thousand and some change. Down the tubes.
33K? are you kidding me? WOW
If I had 33K stolen from me someone would be dead or seriously injured
man you Americans have it rough. Taxed for everything and getting your dosh is so hard...Land of the 'free' my ass...In Europe I place 2 to 3 HUGE bets a year. Setting this up was a pain in the ass and I can only do this with one book but once everything was sorted it has been easy every since. It does take 2-3 days to verify a big bet and 4-5 days to cashout, but overall it is so much easier then America. We don't get taxed for winning either...I travel all over the world but would never move to America..
Likewise. I would get a US citizenship just so I can invest there. But I would hang on to my Canadian citizenship like dear life.
You know what happens when a contestant wins a brand new car on game show? S/he has to pay taxes on the value of the car right away!
When someone wins a "million" dollars? They have actually won $20K a year for 50 years without interest. AND have to pay the higher bracket income tax on the 20K.
So they have effectively won $365K or, half of that after tax!
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Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:
man you Americans have it rough. Taxed for everything and getting your dosh is so hard...Land of the 'free' my ass...In Europe I place 2 to 3 HUGE bets a year. Setting this up was a pain in the ass and I can only do this with one book but once everything was sorted it has been easy every since. It does take 2-3 days to verify a big bet and 4-5 days to cashout, but overall it is so much easier then America. We don't get taxed for winning either...I travel all over the world but would never move to America..
Likewise. I would get a US citizenship just so I can invest there. But I would hang on to my Canadian citizenship like dear life.
You know what happens when a contestant wins a brand new car on game show? S/he has to pay taxes on the value of the car right away!
When someone wins a "million" dollars? They have actually won $20K a year for 50 years without interest. AND have to pay the higher bracket income tax on the 20K.
So they have effectively won $365K or, half of that after tax!
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