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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2010 - 9:14 PM ET #1

    Hey guys...

    First I want to say this is a legit question. Im not here busting balls or talking crap like most guys on here...

    I am wondering why people keep finding "value" backing terrible teams. After I had one of the worste days i've had in my gambling career yesterday I thought I should check out what covers had to say about the night game.... I came to find out that ALOT of people were on the Cowboys, and it really made me second guess myself, but I still took the Pack.

    Is this a legit strategy? Like is it possible that guys look at the lines and say "Vegas is trying to get people to take these guys, im going the other way even though I cant see them comming close to winning, this is a trap"

    Just curious... The reason this came up today is because I almost felt the same about tonights game. I just could never put my hard earned money on teams like the Cowboys and Bengals... And although I know its the first quarter of tonights game, I still would feel better all game knowing I have my money on the better team...
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    Hey guys...

    First I want to say this is a legit question. Im not here busting balls or talking crap like most guys on here...

    I am wondering why people keep finding "value" backing terrible teams. After I had one of the worste days i've had in my gambling career yesterday I thought I should check out what covers had to say about the night game.... I came to find out that ALOT of people were on the Cowboys, and it really made me second guess myself, but I still took the Pack.

    Is this a legit strategy? Like is it possible that guys look at the lines and say "Vegas is trying to get people to take these guys, im going the other way even though I cant see them comming close to winning, this is a trap"

    Just curious... The reason this came up today is because I almost felt the same about tonights game. I just could never put my hard earned money on teams like the Cowboys and Bengals... And although I know its the first quarter of tonights game, I still would feel better all game knowing I have my money on the better team...
     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2010 - 9:19 PM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by bostonsbetter:

    Hey guys...


    First I want to say this is a legit question. Im not here busting balls or talking crap like most guys on here...

    I am wondering why people keep finding "value" backing terrible teams. After I had one of the worste days i've had in my gambling career yesterday I thought I should check out what covers had to say about the night game.... I came to find out that ALOT of people were on the Cowboys, and it really made me second guess myself, but I still took the Pack.

    Is this a legit strategy? Like is it possible that guys look at the lines and say "Vegas is trying to get people to take these guys, im going the other way even though I cant see them comming close to winning, this is a trap"

    Just curious... The reason this came up today is because I almost felt the same about tonights game. I just could never put my hard earned money on teams like the Cowboys and Bengals... And although I know its the first quarter of tonights game, I still would feel better all game knowing I have my money on the better team...

    That happens all the time on covers... Does it ever work, yeah sometimes but more often than not it does not.. Like yesterday if you look at the Lions and Cleveland lines, there is no way if both teams played their best those 2 teams would have covered yesterday, but they did and one could say it was a trap line for being so low..I would not put to much stock into it though.
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    Hey guys...


    First I want to say this is a legit question. Im not here busting balls or talking crap like most guys on here...

    I am wondering why people keep finding "value" backing terrible teams. After I had one of the worste days i've had in my gambling career yesterday I thought I should check out what covers had to say about the night game.... I came to find out that ALOT of people were on the Cowboys, and it really made me second guess myself, but I still took the Pack.

    Is this a legit strategy? Like is it possible that guys look at the lines and say "Vegas is trying to get people to take these guys, im going the other way even though I cant see them comming close to winning, this is a trap"

    Just curious... The reason this came up today is because I almost felt the same about tonights game. I just could never put my hard earned money on teams like the Cowboys and Bengals... And although I know its the first quarter of tonights game, I still would feel better all game knowing I have my money on the better team...

    That happens all the time on covers... Does it ever work, yeah sometimes but more often than not it does not.. Like yesterday if you look at the Lions and Cleveland lines, there is no way if both teams played their best those 2 teams would have covered yesterday, but they did and one could say it was a trap line for being so low..I would not put to much stock into it though.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2010 - 9:19 PM ET #3

    It never stops, there will be a ton of people on the Bills next week.
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    It never stops, there will be a ton of people on the Bills next week.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2010 - 9:22 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by kidvegas03:

    It never stops, there will be a ton of people on the Bills next week.

    A broken watch is right twice a day

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidvegas03:

    It never stops, there will be a ton of people on the Bills next week.

    A broken watch is right twice a day

     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2010 - 9:26 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by bostonsbetter:

    Hey guys...

    First I want to say this is a legit question. Im not here busting balls or talking crap like most guys on here...

    I am wondering why people keep finding "value" backing terrible teams. After I had one of the worste days i've had in my gambling career yesterday I thought I should check out what covers had to say about the night game.... I came to find out that ALOT of people were on the Cowboys, and it really made me second guess myself, but I still took the Pack.

    Is this a legit strategy? Like is it possible that guys look at the lines and say "Vegas is trying to get people to take these guys, im going the other way even though I cant see them comming close to winning, this is a trap"

    Just curious... The reason this came up today is because I almost felt the same about tonights game. I just could never put my hard earned money on teams like the Cowboys and Bengals... And although I know its the first quarter of tonights game, I still would feel better all game knowing I have my money on the better team...

    I actually call this lazy wagering. People think they can watch line movement and "know" if sharps are moving the line, public moving the line, and instead of spending time on capping the game they convince themselves that the right play is whatever the line movement told them.

    The problem is that with every line movement you can justify your pick either way and NOBODY knows why the line is moving other than I can tell you for A FACT that it's the books trying to get 50/50 play and they make their money on the VIG.

    Real players that are in it for profit and long term sustainable growth would never base their wager on such "non facts" of line movement.

    If everyone would understand that books are not setup to make money off the losses of the public, it really isn't a "Books against the public".......it is about the 5 to 10% VIG they get on the wagers. Books win on volume and vig not trying to win or loose.

    People want to have the "system" play that everyone will follow, or the "system" play that was just invented in 2010 after 100 years of gamblers.......seriously??

    Just cap and play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bostonsbetter:

    Hey guys...

    First I want to say this is a legit question. Im not here busting balls or talking crap like most guys on here...

    I am wondering why people keep finding "value" backing terrible teams. After I had one of the worste days i've had in my gambling career yesterday I thought I should check out what covers had to say about the night game.... I came to find out that ALOT of people were on the Cowboys, and it really made me second guess myself, but I still took the Pack.

    Is this a legit strategy? Like is it possible that guys look at the lines and say "Vegas is trying to get people to take these guys, im going the other way even though I cant see them comming close to winning, this is a trap"

    Just curious... The reason this came up today is because I almost felt the same about tonights game. I just could never put my hard earned money on teams like the Cowboys and Bengals... And although I know its the first quarter of tonights game, I still would feel better all game knowing I have my money on the better team...

    I actually call this lazy wagering. People think they can watch line movement and "know" if sharps are moving the line, public moving the line, and instead of spending time on capping the game they convince themselves that the right play is whatever the line movement told them.

    The problem is that with every line movement you can justify your pick either way and NOBODY knows why the line is moving other than I can tell you for A FACT that it's the books trying to get 50/50 play and they make their money on the VIG.

    Real players that are in it for profit and long term sustainable growth would never base their wager on such "non facts" of line movement.

    If everyone would understand that books are not setup to make money off the losses of the public, it really isn't a "Books against the public".......it is about the 5 to 10% VIG they get on the wagers. Books win on volume and vig not trying to win or loose.

    People want to have the "system" play that everyone will follow, or the "system" play that was just invented in 2010 after 100 years of gamblers.......seriously??

    Just cap and play.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2010 - 9:28 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by koko11:


    That happens all the time on covers... Does it ever work, yeah sometimes but more often than not it does not.. Like yesterday if you look at the Lions and Cleveland lines, there is no way if both teams played their best those 2 teams would have covered yesterday, but they did and one could say it was a trap line for being so low..I would not put to much stock into it though.


    I agree... But I'm not even talking about games like those, Detroit is actually turning into a pretty decent team and Cleveland is playing decent ball at home... BUT THE COWBOYS ON SNF???

    Cmon guys... They gave up after week 3 or 4... Those guys looked like they just wanted to cry last night
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    Quote Originally Posted by koko11:


    That happens all the time on covers... Does it ever work, yeah sometimes but more often than not it does not.. Like yesterday if you look at the Lions and Cleveland lines, there is no way if both teams played their best those 2 teams would have covered yesterday, but they did and one could say it was a trap line for being so low..I would not put to much stock into it though.


    I agree... But I'm not even talking about games like those, Detroit is actually turning into a pretty decent team and Cleveland is playing decent ball at home... BUT THE COWBOYS ON SNF???

    Cmon guys... They gave up after week 3 or 4... Those guys looked like they just wanted to cry last night
     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2010 - 9:28 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by byharleyjames:

    A broken watch is right twice a day

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    Quote Originally Posted by byharleyjames:

    A broken watch is right twice a day

     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2010 - 9:33 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilberto:

    I actually call this lazy wagering. People think they can watch line movement and "know" if sharps are moving the line, public moving the line, and instead of spending time on capping the game they convince themselves that the right play is whatever the line movement told them.

    The problem is that with every line movement you can justify your pick either way and NOBODY knows why the line is moving other than I can tell you for A FACT that it's the books trying to get 50/50 play and they make their money on the VIG.

    Real players that are in it for profit and long term sustainable growth would never base their wager on such "non facts" of line movement.

    If everyone would understand that books are not setup to make money off the losses of the public, it really isn't a "Books against the public".......it is about the 5 to 10% VIG they get on the wagers. Books win on volume and vig not trying to win or loose.

    People want to have the "system" play that everyone will follow, or the "system" play that was just invented in 2010 after 100 years of gamblers.......seriously??

    Just cap and play.


    Well put, I totally agree... I just dont understand why they try to justify plays by stupid garbage... Like can you really predict that the cowboys are gonna pull their heads out of their asses TONIGHT? I cant and Id rather put my money on the other side
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilberto:

    I actually call this lazy wagering. People think they can watch line movement and "know" if sharps are moving the line, public moving the line, and instead of spending time on capping the game they convince themselves that the right play is whatever the line movement told them.

    The problem is that with every line movement you can justify your pick either way and NOBODY knows why the line is moving other than I can tell you for A FACT that it's the books trying to get 50/50 play and they make their money on the VIG.

    Real players that are in it for profit and long term sustainable growth would never base their wager on such "non facts" of line movement.

    If everyone would understand that books are not setup to make money off the losses of the public, it really isn't a "Books against the public".......it is about the 5 to 10% VIG they get on the wagers. Books win on volume and vig not trying to win or loose.

    People want to have the "system" play that everyone will follow, or the "system" play that was just invented in 2010 after 100 years of gamblers.......seriously??

    Just cap and play.


    Well put, I totally agree... I just dont understand why they try to justify plays by stupid garbage... Like can you really predict that the cowboys are gonna pull their heads out of their asses TONIGHT? I cant and Id rather put my money on the other side
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