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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2015 - 2:16 AM ET #1

    I think this is the week Carolina finally loses. They have pulled out some lucky wins this season, but their luck is bound to run out.

    Revenge match for Atlanta at home.

    7 pt dogs looks good. I am more confident in this play than I was with my Giants ML play this past week. Giants almost pulled it out, but not quite. I think Atlanta will though. 27-24

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    I think this is the week Carolina finally loses. They have pulled out some lucky wins this season, but their luck is bound to run out.

    Revenge match for Atlanta at home.

    7 pt dogs looks good. I am more confident in this play than I was with my Giants ML play this past week. Giants almost pulled it out, but not quite. I think Atlanta will though. 27-24

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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2015 - 2:41 AM ET #2

    If you jump big leads because you are clearly the better team, then your opponent goes all in and you take a few gears back, it doesn't mean you got a lucky win.

    If almost no one can beat you with his standard playbook/gameplan, you are a good team.

    The only game they really needed to win from behind was at Seattle and they did that despite two turnovers. Winning at Seattle cannot be lucky.

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    If you jump big leads because you are clearly the better team, then your opponent goes all in and you take a few gears back, it doesn't mean you got a lucky win.

    If almost no one can beat you with his standard playbook/gameplan, you are a good team.

    The only game they really needed to win from behind was at Seattle and they did that despite two turnovers. Winning at Seattle cannot be lucky.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2015 - 8:01 AM ET #3

    Just think if Carolina losing would be beneficial to the NFL or not? It could be the week when bettors finally give in and accept the fact that Newton is the MVP and the Panthers are the real deal.
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    Just think if Carolina losing would be beneficial to the NFL or not? It could be the week when bettors finally give in and accept the fact that Newton is the MVP and the Panthers are the real deal.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2015 - 12:00 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by suuma:

    If you jump big leads because you are clearly the better team, then your opponent goes all in and you take a few gears back, it doesn't mean you got a lucky win.

    If almost no one can beat you with his standard playbook/gameplan, you are a good team.

    The only game they really needed to win from behind was at Seattle and they did that despite two turnovers. Winning at Seattle cannot be lucky.


    I kind of agree. But I also think they have definitely been lucky to go undefeated so far. If they could force two turn overs whenever they wanted, they would be shutting teams out.


    The New Orleans win was definitely lucky...that the Saints lost their challenge near the end, of Saints would have won. To me, it appeared the ball touched the ground and was an incomplete pass, but they ruled in favor of the panthers, and that call was the only reason they won that game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suuma:

    If you jump big leads because you are clearly the better team, then your opponent goes all in and you take a few gears back, it doesn't mean you got a lucky win.

    If almost no one can beat you with his standard playbook/gameplan, you are a good team.

    The only game they really needed to win from behind was at Seattle and they did that despite two turnovers. Winning at Seattle cannot be lucky.


    I kind of agree. But I also think they have definitely been lucky to go undefeated so far. If they could force two turn overs whenever they wanted, they would be shutting teams out.


    The New Orleans win was definitely lucky...that the Saints lost their challenge near the end, of Saints would have won. To me, it appeared the ball touched the ground and was an incomplete pass, but they ruled in favor of the panthers, and that call was the only reason they won that game.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2015 - 12:08 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverMind:

    Just think if Carolina losing would be beneficial to the NFL or not? It could be the week when bettors finally give in and accept the fact that Newton is the MVP and the Panthers are the real deal.

    Kinda confused by your comment.....What does Newton being the MVP have anything to do with the Panthers winning or losing this week?

    I think Carolina losing will be beneficial to the NFL, money wise. Remember just a few weeks ago, covers advertised a prop for both Pats and Panthers going undefeated. Pats were +500 and Panthers somewhere around +1500

    You know a lot of bettors probably jumped on both of those. Each week since then, Panthers have been squeeking out wins (with the exception of a couple blow outs)

    I think it's almost obvious Atlanta picks of the win this week at home.

    If Carolina was going to win, they would be 6.5 favorites or less, not 7 pt....

    Now that's not set in stone, of course a 7 pt favorite could win but the reason why it's less likely is given away in the spread alone. 

    I figured this out by studying games over the years. It's part of vegas mind games arsenal. I'll explain...

    When you have a great team vs a bad team and you see a 6.5 spread, bettors often ignore the ML in this case, and jump on the spread, seeing as it's less than a TD. But when you have a 7 pt spread, they often jump on the ML, especially when they do a parlay (and believe it or not, the majority of bettors in las vegas do parlays)

    So, the 7 pt spread here tells me, the public will be on Carolina ML and that tells me, it's a good spot for them to lose, as the prop bet for +1500 I don't think is coming through. And I don't think it will be Tampa who beats them next week, so I believe Atlanta is good value here at 7 pt dogs, to take them ML.

    Will be close either way, I am thinking 28 to 24.....or 27 to 24 final score.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverMind:

    Just think if Carolina losing would be beneficial to the NFL or not? It could be the week when bettors finally give in and accept the fact that Newton is the MVP and the Panthers are the real deal.

    Kinda confused by your comment.....What does Newton being the MVP have anything to do with the Panthers winning or losing this week?

    I think Carolina losing will be beneficial to the NFL, money wise. Remember just a few weeks ago, covers advertised a prop for both Pats and Panthers going undefeated. Pats were +500 and Panthers somewhere around +1500

    You know a lot of bettors probably jumped on both of those. Each week since then, Panthers have been squeeking out wins (with the exception of a couple blow outs)

    I think it's almost obvious Atlanta picks of the win this week at home.

    If Carolina was going to win, they would be 6.5 favorites or less, not 7 pt....

    Now that's not set in stone, of course a 7 pt favorite could win but the reason why it's less likely is given away in the spread alone. 

    I figured this out by studying games over the years. It's part of vegas mind games arsenal. I'll explain...

    When you have a great team vs a bad team and you see a 6.5 spread, bettors often ignore the ML in this case, and jump on the spread, seeing as it's less than a TD. But when you have a 7 pt spread, they often jump on the ML, especially when they do a parlay (and believe it or not, the majority of bettors in las vegas do parlays)

    So, the 7 pt spread here tells me, the public will be on Carolina ML and that tells me, it's a good spot for them to lose, as the prop bet for +1500 I don't think is coming through. And I don't think it will be Tampa who beats them next week, so I believe Atlanta is good value here at 7 pt dogs, to take them ML.

    Will be close either way, I am thinking 28 to 24.....or 27 to 24 final score.



     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2015 - 12:16 PM ET #6

    Also Atlanta just got back on track last week, so looks like they will pick up 2 wins in a row here

    In their last match up in Carolina, when the spread was 8.5, I had Carolina in that one, and i had them in a blow out. Had them on my pleaser ticket as well -14.5 and covered that easily as well.

    This week I'll have Atlanta on my Pleaser ticket, they will be +0.5
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    Also Atlanta just got back on track last week, so looks like they will pick up 2 wins in a row here

    In their last match up in Carolina, when the spread was 8.5, I had Carolina in that one, and i had them in a blow out. Had them on my pleaser ticket as well -14.5 and covered that easily as well.

    This week I'll have Atlanta on my Pleaser ticket, they will be +0.5
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2015 - 2:23 PM ET #7

    Atlanta is not back on track. They have been a derailment since the beginning of the season. They were lucky to win last week and against Jacksonville at that. You could not give me money to bet on Atlanta. They have been a let down this year and their scoring is dismal. 
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    Atlanta is not back on track. They have been a derailment since the beginning of the season. They were lucky to win last week and against Jacksonville at that. You could not give me money to bet on Atlanta. They have been a let down this year and their scoring is dismal. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNHLBettor:

    Atlanta is not back on track. They have been a derailment since the beginning of the season. They were lucky to win last week and against Jacksonville at that. You could not give me money to bet on Atlanta. They have been a let down this year and their scoring is dismal. 

    I'll give you $100 bucks, if you bet $5 on Atlanta....

    No? Ok fine I'll keep the $100 then and I'll put it on Atlanta ML.


    In all seriousness, this is pro sports, we all know it's fixed. Atlanta was 5-0, they are a great team. Ever since that New Orleans game where they turned the ball over so many times in the red zone, they went south.

    If the league wants Atlanta to win this week, they will win. Simple as that. I personally believe they want them to win so that is the only reason I am betting them. It has nothing to do with how good they've been playing or how much better Carolina might be or any of that. just a simple guess, that this one will be staged for a close Atlanta win at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNHLBettor:

    Atlanta is not back on track. They have been a derailment since the beginning of the season. They were lucky to win last week and against Jacksonville at that. You could not give me money to bet on Atlanta. They have been a let down this year and their scoring is dismal. 

    I'll give you $100 bucks, if you bet $5 on Atlanta....

    No? Ok fine I'll keep the $100 then and I'll put it on Atlanta ML.


    In all seriousness, this is pro sports, we all know it's fixed. Atlanta was 5-0, they are a great team. Ever since that New Orleans game where they turned the ball over so many times in the red zone, they went south.

    If the league wants Atlanta to win this week, they will win. Simple as that. I personally believe they want them to win so that is the only reason I am betting them. It has nothing to do with how good they've been playing or how much better Carolina might be or any of that. just a simple guess, that this one will be staged for a close Atlanta win at home.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2015 - 5:51 PM ET #9

    hell no. Failcons suck. They were lucky last week vs Jax. Save your money for charity.
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    hell no. Failcons suck. They were lucky last week vs Jax. Save your money for charity.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2015 - 6:20 PM ET #10

    How can a team that sucks go 5-0?

    I think the Falcons are actually a very solid team. They just need to limit their turn overs and they'll be ok.
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    How can a team that sucks go 5-0?

    I think the Falcons are actually a very solid team. They just need to limit their turn overs and they'll be ok.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2015 - 7:11 PM ET #11

    That Atlanta defense is just not going to stop anyway, the only way they get stops is when the offense stops itself. 
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    That Atlanta defense is just not going to stop anyway, the only way they get stops is when the offense stops itself. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2015 - 7:40 PM ET #12

    What's super weird in this game is that Carolina pasted them at home in week 14....week 14!!!!...strange scheduling even when they drew up the sched's in the winter....Atlanta got whipped 38-0...something like that......I love the Dirt Birds here...they do have a lot of talent... they are at home and they just got humiliated 2 weeks ago by a division foe...I'm sorry it just don't get better than this....and ...the Cats are entering into hallowed ground as an undefeated team....throw the stats out please guys...Atlanta bet of the year  
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    What's super weird in this game is that Carolina pasted them at home in week 14....week 14!!!!...strange scheduling even when they drew up the sched's in the winter....Atlanta got whipped 38-0...something like that......I love the Dirt Birds here...they do have a lot of talent... they are at home and they just got humiliated 2 weeks ago by a division foe...I'm sorry it just don't get better than this....and ...the Cats are entering into hallowed ground as an undefeated team....throw the stats out please guys...Atlanta bet of the year  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny24:

    What's super weird in this game is that Carolina pasted them at home in week 14....week 14!!!!...strange scheduling even when they drew up the sched's in the winter....Atlanta got whipped 38-0...something like that......I love the Dirt Birds here...they do have a lot of talent... they are at home and they just got humiliated 2 weeks ago by a division foe...I'm sorry it just don't get better than this....and ...the Cats are entering into hallowed ground as an undefeated team....throw the stats out please guys...Atlanta bet of the year  

    I wouldn't call it the bet of the year...but definitely my top play this week 
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny24:

    What's super weird in this game is that Carolina pasted them at home in week 14....week 14!!!!...strange scheduling even when they drew up the sched's in the winter....Atlanta got whipped 38-0...something like that......I love the Dirt Birds here...they do have a lot of talent... they are at home and they just got humiliated 2 weeks ago by a division foe...I'm sorry it just don't get better than this....and ...the Cats are entering into hallowed ground as an undefeated team....throw the stats out please guys...Atlanta bet of the year  

    I wouldn't call it the bet of the year...but definitely my top play this week 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2015 - 8:42 PM ET #14

    It’s tough to see ATL pulling off a major upset. Neither ATL or TB matchups (on paper) should give Carolina fits. If the CAR are 16-0 heading into the postseason, they will be the No. 1 seed in the NFC playoffs. After a first-round bye, their potential divisional-round matchups would include the winner of the NFC East (currently WAS) as well as the SEA (most likely) or the No. 6 seed in the NFC playoffs if they win (currently MIN). Of those potential contests, a rematch against the SEA obviously stands out. If anybody can match the power of CAR, it’s ARI. ARI is most balanced team in the NFL. Palmer has been spectacular at QB and the defense has been one of the top units in the league. It’d be interesting to see the point spread in this one. This would be the CAR toughest possible opponent in the conference championship, serving as a major roadblock between them and a SB trip. Other contenders include the CIN, PIT and DEN. CAR has performed better than all of these teams and would be a solid favorite against any of them in the Super Bowl. At the beginning of the season, nobody would have thought this, but the odds seem to be in favor of the CAR reaching 19-0.
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    It’s tough to see ATL pulling off a major upset. Neither ATL or TB matchups (on paper) should give Carolina fits. If the CAR are 16-0 heading into the postseason, they will be the No. 1 seed in the NFC playoffs. After a first-round bye, their potential divisional-round matchups would include the winner of the NFC East (currently WAS) as well as the SEA (most likely) or the No. 6 seed in the NFC playoffs if they win (currently MIN). Of those potential contests, a rematch against the SEA obviously stands out. If anybody can match the power of CAR, it’s ARI. ARI is most balanced team in the NFL. Palmer has been spectacular at QB and the defense has been one of the top units in the league. It’d be interesting to see the point spread in this one. This would be the CAR toughest possible opponent in the conference championship, serving as a major roadblock between them and a SB trip. Other contenders include the CIN, PIT and DEN. CAR has performed better than all of these teams and would be a solid favorite against any of them in the Super Bowl. At the beginning of the season, nobody would have thought this, but the odds seem to be in favor of the CAR reaching 19-0.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 23, 2015 - 11:38 PM ET #15

    7 pt dog isn't a major upset. A major upset for NFL would be more like Baltimore winning this week against Pitt.

    I also think if it were Pitt and Carolina in the super bowl, Pitt would be favorites, not carolina. Books still haven't been sold on Carolina yet, or they feel the same way I do....that they are overdue for a loss.

    Carolina was underdogs at Dallas. lol
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    7 pt dog isn't a major upset. A major upset for NFL would be more like Baltimore winning this week against Pitt.

    I also think if it were Pitt and Carolina in the super bowl, Pitt would be favorites, not carolina. Books still haven't been sold on Carolina yet, or they feel the same way I do....that they are overdue for a loss.

    Carolina was underdogs at Dallas. lol
     
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    Actually I dont even know if Baltimore winning would be considered a "Major" upset or not, because that is a rivalry and usually their games are close.

    But the way Pitt has been playing lately, vs the way baltimore has been playing, you would think Pitt will blow them out
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    Actually I dont even know if Baltimore winning would be considered a "Major" upset or not, because that is a rivalry and usually their games are close.

    But the way Pitt has been playing lately, vs the way baltimore has been playing, you would think Pitt will blow them out
     
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    One of the biggest problems Atlanta has is Roddy White. He's simply no longer a viable NFL caliber WR but out of respect and name recognition he gets used as a true #2 still by kyle shanajan. Guy can't run, gets no separation at all, and IMO he's one of the biggest reasons Matt Ryan went into this funk. I believe Atlanta will play their asses off in this game, but I'm not sold they have enough talent, Carolina is for real. I do believe they lose but not this week, I believe Tampa beats them.
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    One of the biggest problems Atlanta has is Roddy White. He's simply no longer a viable NFL caliber WR but out of respect and name recognition he gets used as a true #2 still by kyle shanajan. Guy can't run, gets no separation at all, and IMO he's one of the biggest reasons Matt Ryan went into this funk. I believe Atlanta will play their asses off in this game, but I'm not sold they have enough talent, Carolina is for real. I do believe they lose but not this week, I believe Tampa beats them.
     
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    Probably healthiest SD has been on defense all year. Still worried about mack going nuts vs their crappy tackles though
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    Probably healthiest SD has been on defense all year. Still worried about mack going nuts vs their crappy tackles though
     
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    Falcons haven't beat anyone but the Jags & Titans in 2 mos. Waste of $ imo - Panthers are too good for 'em on both sides of the ball. Line should be more like -9.5 even on the road. But GL anyway..
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    Falcons haven't beat anyone but the Jags & Titans in 2 mos. Waste of $ imo - Panthers are too good for 'em on both sides of the ball. Line should be more like -9.5 even on the road. But GL anyway..
     
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    Well a good system would be to bet $100 on Atlanta ML here, and if they lose, bet $200 on Tampa ML next week.

    I just cant see Carolina being undefeated at the end of the season
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    Well a good system would be to bet $100 on Atlanta ML here, and if they lose, bet $200 on Tampa ML next week.

    I just cant see Carolina being undefeated at the end of the season
     
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    But after Tampa got blown out by the saints I told myself I'd never bet them again this season.

    Carolina also should of lost to the Saints, they got lucky to win that game
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    But after Tampa got blown out by the saints I told myself I'd never bet them again this season.

    Carolina also should of lost to the Saints, they got lucky to win that game
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgmprofits:

    But after Tampa got blown out by the saints I told myself I'd never bet them again this season.Carolina also should of lost to the Saints, they got lucky to win that game

    There's some weaknesses in Carolinas team. The front four doesn't get a natural pass rush. They aren't unbeatable but can newton is just playing out of his mind the last few weeks, and Ginn has been torching everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgmprofits:

    But after Tampa got blown out by the saints I told myself I'd never bet them again this season.Carolina also should of lost to the Saints, they got lucky to win that game

    There's some weaknesses in Carolinas team. The front four doesn't get a natural pass rush. They aren't unbeatable but can newton is just playing out of his mind the last few weeks, and Ginn has been torching everyone.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgmprofits:


    If the league wants Atlanta to win this week, they will win. Simple as that. I personally believe they want them to win so that is the only reason I am betting them. 


    Hypothetically, let's say your assumption is right.  Why in jebus' name would the NFL want ATL to beat CAR?  How does that benefit them?  That benefits the books a small bit but I doubt books are sweating a +1500 payout.  Compared to what an undefeated Panther's team is doing to viewership that +1500 is peanuts.  Wild behind guess, maybe a Million total in exposure for that bet?  I'd guess merch $$, viewers and the storyline going into the playoffs of an undefeated Cam Newton easily trumps that, even IF the NFL has some vested interested in not allowing undefeated Panther prop bets to cash.  

    Am I missing something?  I'm curious actually.

    Idk, I just don't see it and I think you are making a bad bet.  But GLTU either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgmprofits:


    If the league wants Atlanta to win this week, they will win. Simple as that. I personally believe they want them to win so that is the only reason I am betting them. 


    Hypothetically, let's say your assumption is right.  Why in jebus' name would the NFL want ATL to beat CAR?  How does that benefit them?  That benefits the books a small bit but I doubt books are sweating a +1500 payout.  Compared to what an undefeated Panther's team is doing to viewership that +1500 is peanuts.  Wild behind guess, maybe a Million total in exposure for that bet?  I'd guess merch $$, viewers and the storyline going into the playoffs of an undefeated Cam Newton easily trumps that, even IF the NFL has some vested interested in not allowing undefeated Panther prop bets to cash.  

    Am I missing something?  I'm curious actually.

    Idk, I just don't see it and I think you are making a bad bet.  But GLTU either way.
     
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    What you're missing is the greed factor. 

    The books do care about money. And +1500 is considered a big bet for them. 

    We will see. They have been generous this year letting the public win a lot, it seems. Maybe they will clean up big time this week...they usually do the week after. Expect a public blood bath this week.
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    What you're missing is the greed factor. 

    The books do care about money. And +1500 is considered a big bet for them. 

    We will see. They have been generous this year letting the public win a lot, it seems. Maybe they will clean up big time this week...they usually do the week after. Expect a public blood bath this week.
     
     
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    Also like I said, I believe if Carolina was going to win this game they would likely be only 6.5 favorites, not 7 point. So the spread is a major influence as well here in my decision.

    I could be wrong here, please don't take my word on anything. I was certain Dallas was going to beat them too, and they got blown out.

    So, bet who you like. I am just taking a shot with Atlanta ML, if I lose, no big deal. I don't have to bet large on it, since the payout in a parlay will be generous.

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    Also like I said, I believe if Carolina was going to win this game they would likely be only 6.5 favorites, not 7 point. So the spread is a major influence as well here in my decision.

    I could be wrong here, please don't take my word on anything. I was certain Dallas was going to beat them too, and they got blown out.

    So, bet who you like. I am just taking a shot with Atlanta ML, if I lose, no big deal. I don't have to bet large on it, since the payout in a parlay will be generous.

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