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    Beating the horse dead. Two pts not made about Welker catch.

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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2012 - 12:09 PM ET #1

    Or at least not mentioned nearly enough during the "whose fault is it" debate. It's funny how millions of people can watch the exact same play 101 times and come to two totally different conclusions. Reminds me a little of the Nelson Cruz ball in game 6 of the WSeries, which I will always believe he misplayed.

    I feel like Welker much more dropped this pass in what was not that difficult of a catch, as opposed to it being a shitty pass. Yet some observers insist that it was more of a terrible throw. Not saying it couldn't have been a better throw, but I believe the degree of difficulty of the catch is being vastly overrated. I'd say degree of difficulty was 6 or 7 out of 10. I even heard one talking head compare the difficulty to the Manningham catch, which I think is ludacris. That was 9 out of 10. Two pts somehow not made, the first most unexplainably.

    1) Welker made the catch look more difficult than it was because of his height and the way he went after the catch. He turns his body counterclockwise in a reverse 360 fashion to go after a ball that was rightly thrown away from the safety and more over his left shoulder rather than his right. Why couldn't he have simply attempted to catch it over his left shoulder closer to the sideline rather than turing his body all the way around. Would it not have more or less fallen in the basket? It's easier for receivers to catch a ball over a certain shoulder depending on wheteher  they are right or left handed, but most receivers on any higher level are capable of doing this, including Wes. What am I missing here? Why has nobody mentioned this?

    2) The ball was thrown as soft as could possibly be in that situation. Some are critizizing this, and maybe rightfully so, but I also believe that the "it was Brady's fault" people are acting like he threw a rocket that was hard to handle. This ball was as soft and managebale as it gets in my opinion. Maybe because it was so soft, it threw Welker's timing off, and that's why he went after it in such an awkward fashion. Nevertheless, when he says he makes that catch 1000 out of 1000 times, he's not falling on his sword for Brady, he knows he misplayed the ball in my opinion.

    Not saying I'm 100% correct on this one, but I'd put the strength of my opinion at 75-80% in terms of uncomprimising.

    Can anybody tell me how I'm seeing this wrong?

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Or at least not mentioned nearly enough during the "whose fault is it" debate. It's funny how millions of people can watch the exact same play 101 times and come to two totally different conclusions. Reminds me a little of the Nelson Cruz ball in game 6 of the WSeries, which I will always believe he misplayed.

    I feel like Welker much more dropped this pass in what was not that difficult of a catch, as opposed to it being a shitty pass. Yet some observers insist that it was more of a terrible throw. Not saying it couldn't have been a better throw, but I believe the degree of difficulty of the catch is being vastly overrated. I'd say degree of difficulty was 6 or 7 out of 10. I even heard one talking head compare the difficulty to the Manningham catch, which I think is ludacris. That was 9 out of 10. Two pts somehow not made, the first most unexplainably.

    1) Welker made the catch look more difficult than it was because of his height and the way he went after the catch. He turns his body counterclockwise in a reverse 360 fashion to go after a ball that was rightly thrown away from the safety and more over his left shoulder rather than his right. Why couldn't he have simply attempted to catch it over his left shoulder closer to the sideline rather than turing his body all the way around. Would it not have more or less fallen in the basket? It's easier for receivers to catch a ball over a certain shoulder depending on wheteher  they are right or left handed, but most receivers on any higher level are capable of doing this, including Wes. What am I missing here? Why has nobody mentioned this?

    2) The ball was thrown as soft as could possibly be in that situation. Some are critizizing this, and maybe rightfully so, but I also believe that the "it was Brady's fault" people are acting like he threw a rocket that was hard to handle. This ball was as soft and managebale as it gets in my opinion. Maybe because it was so soft, it threw Welker's timing off, and that's why he went after it in such an awkward fashion. Nevertheless, when he says he makes that catch 1000 out of 1000 times, he's not falling on his sword for Brady, he knows he misplayed the ball in my opinion.

    Not saying I'm 100% correct on this one, but I'd put the strength of my opinion at 75-80% in terms of uncomprimising.

    Can anybody tell me how I'm seeing this wrong?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2012 - 12:15 PM ET #2

    I would  say that Welker is wrong ..... he doesnt  make  that  catch 1000 out of 1000 times. 

    maybe  999

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    I would  say that Welker is wrong ..... he doesnt  make  that  catch 1000 out of 1000 times. 

    maybe  999

     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 4:49 AM ET #3

    great avatar 

     

    the nyg d was so befuddled on that play that both shoulders were open to throw to, Brady chose the left to pass to & Welker aniticipated a throw to his right.. they just weren't on the same page and it was due to Welker being so open that both shoulders were available.. that was my 3rd favorite play of the post season behind Kyle Williams' 2 muffs 

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    great avatar 

     

    the nyg d was so befuddled on that play that both shoulders were open to throw to, Brady chose the left to pass to & Welker aniticipated a throw to his right.. they just weren't on the same page and it was due to Welker being so open that both shoulders were available.. that was my 3rd favorite play of the post season behind Kyle Williams' 2 muffs 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 7:19 AM ET #4

    I see it as mostly a size differential. Brady is use to throwing to these huge tight-ends that catch the ball at a certain level. Welker usually takes the short pass and runs for a first down. It was a bad play call.

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    I see it as mostly a size differential. Brady is use to throwing to these huge tight-ends that catch the ball at a certain level. Welker usually takes the short pass and runs for a first down. It was a bad play call.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 7:56 AM ET #5

     HE DROPPED IT           GET OVER IT

    WHO CARES

    IF ,IF HAD A HORSE WE WOULD ALL HAVE A RIDE

    NCAA BB IS NEXT

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     HE DROPPED IT           GET OVER IT

    WHO CARES

    IF ,IF HAD A HORSE WE WOULD ALL HAVE A RIDE

    NCAA BB IS NEXT

     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 12:24 PM ET #6

    Welker is a good football player, we all know what he is capable of.

    I am in disbelief he didn't catch that ball and knock the Giants out.

    No team wins the game of football without luck I guess.
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    Welker is a good football player, we all know what he is capable of.

    I am in disbelief he didn't catch that ball and knock the Giants out.

    No team wins the game of football without luck I guess.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 12:55 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by EverydayEddie:

    Or at least not mentioned nearly enough during the "whose fault is it" debate. It's funny how millions of people can watch the exact same play 101 times and come to two totally different conclusions. Reminds me a little of the Nelson Cruz ball in game 6 of the WSeries, which I will always believe he misplayed.

    I feel like Welker much more dropped this pass in what was not that difficult of a catch, as opposed to it being a shitty pass. Yet some observers insist that it was more of a terrible throw. Not saying it couldn't have been a better throw, but I believe the degree of difficulty of the catch is being vastly overrated. I'd say degree of difficulty was 6 or 7 out of 10. I even heard one talking head compare the difficulty to the Manningham catch, which I think is ludacris. That was 9 out of 10. Two pts somehow not made, the first most unexplainably.

    1) Welker made the catch look more difficult than it was because of his height and the way he went after the catch. He turns his body counterclockwise in a reverse 360 fashion to go after a ball that was rightly thrown away from the safety and more over his left shoulder rather than his right. Why couldn't he have simply attempted to catch it over his left shoulder closer to the sideline rather than turing his body all the way around. Would it not have more or less fallen in the basket? It's easier for receivers to catch a ball over a certain shoulder depending on wheteher  they are right or left handed, but most receivers on any higher level are capable of doing this, including Wes. What am I missing here? Why has nobody mentioned this?

    2) The ball was thrown as soft as could possibly be in that situation. Some are critizizing this, and maybe rightfully so, but I also believe that the "it was Brady's fault" people are acting like he threw a rocket that was hard to handle. This ball was as soft and managebale as it gets in my opinion. Maybe because it was so soft, it threw Welker's timing off, and that's why he went after it in such an awkward fashion. Nevertheless, when he says he makes that catch 1000 out of 1000 times, he's not falling on his sword for Brady, he knows he misplayed the ball in my opinion.

    Not saying I'm 100% correct on this one, but I'd put the strength of my opinion at 75-80% in terms of uncomprimising.

    Can anybody tell me how I'm seeing this wrong?



    That answer is easy. He didn't know if the ball was gonna come to his left or right. He turned his head one way to look for the ball and obviously didn't have time to turn his head all the way back the other way. Whichever way he turns his head to look for the ball he's gonna have to try and catch looking that direction. If he looked for the ball initially the other direction it would have been a much easier pass but again that wasn't his fault. He was wide open and can't possibly know which side the ball is gonna drop on
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    Quote Originally Posted by EverydayEddie:

    Or at least not mentioned nearly enough during the "whose fault is it" debate. It's funny how millions of people can watch the exact same play 101 times and come to two totally different conclusions. Reminds me a little of the Nelson Cruz ball in game 6 of the WSeries, which I will always believe he misplayed.

    I feel like Welker much more dropped this pass in what was not that difficult of a catch, as opposed to it being a shitty pass. Yet some observers insist that it was more of a terrible throw. Not saying it couldn't have been a better throw, but I believe the degree of difficulty of the catch is being vastly overrated. I'd say degree of difficulty was 6 or 7 out of 10. I even heard one talking head compare the difficulty to the Manningham catch, which I think is ludacris. That was 9 out of 10. Two pts somehow not made, the first most unexplainably.

    1) Welker made the catch look more difficult than it was because of his height and the way he went after the catch. He turns his body counterclockwise in a reverse 360 fashion to go after a ball that was rightly thrown away from the safety and more over his left shoulder rather than his right. Why couldn't he have simply attempted to catch it over his left shoulder closer to the sideline rather than turing his body all the way around. Would it not have more or less fallen in the basket? It's easier for receivers to catch a ball over a certain shoulder depending on wheteher  they are right or left handed, but most receivers on any higher level are capable of doing this, including Wes. What am I missing here? Why has nobody mentioned this?

    2) The ball was thrown as soft as could possibly be in that situation. Some are critizizing this, and maybe rightfully so, but I also believe that the "it was Brady's fault" people are acting like he threw a rocket that was hard to handle. This ball was as soft and managebale as it gets in my opinion. Maybe because it was so soft, it threw Welker's timing off, and that's why he went after it in such an awkward fashion. Nevertheless, when he says he makes that catch 1000 out of 1000 times, he's not falling on his sword for Brady, he knows he misplayed the ball in my opinion.

    Not saying I'm 100% correct on this one, but I'd put the strength of my opinion at 75-80% in terms of uncomprimising.

    Can anybody tell me how I'm seeing this wrong?



    That answer is easy. He didn't know if the ball was gonna come to his left or right. He turned his head one way to look for the ball and obviously didn't have time to turn his head all the way back the other way. Whichever way he turns his head to look for the ball he's gonna have to try and catch looking that direction. If he looked for the ball initially the other direction it would have been a much easier pass but again that wasn't his fault. He was wide open and can't possibly know which side the ball is gonna drop on
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 4:34 PM ET #8

    Bad throw by The great Brady.....He took a few hits and got in his head.......
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    Bad throw by The great Brady.....He took a few hits and got in his head.......
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 5:14 PM ET #9

    What a clown fest............look at what Welker has done as a Patriot and go back into your coma.  Yes, he didn't make a tough catch - a catch he normally makes.  Talk about over analyzing something.
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    What a clown fest............look at what Welker has done as a Patriot and go back into your coma.  Yes, he didn't make a tough catch - a catch he normally makes.  Talk about over analyzing something.
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2012 - 5:49 PM ET #10

    that play was the game, took my pats ML cash but it is in the rearview now,,brady was off, welker probably should have caught it--time to move on fellas--baseball season win total future plays next for me----no hoops or hockey this year
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    that play was the game, took my pats ML cash but it is in the rearview now,,brady was off, welker probably should have caught it--time to move on fellas--baseball season win total future plays next for me----no hoops or hockey this year
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