No play for me on this game at this point. Just bored at the moment and wanted to spew some thoughts.
Week 6, Cleveland beats Pittsburgh and loses Alex Mack for the season in the process. Since then they've gone 2-1, playing the three worst teams in the league; JAX, OAK, TB. They're currently sitting at 5-3 in what appears, on paper, to be possibly the toughest division in football. If you watched those three games you would know that three consecutive losses was not out of the question, especially this past week against TB. It took a blocked punt and a blocked field goal among other tiny miracles.
What I'm trying to figure out is if this current line of Cincy -6 is an overreaction to the Browns 5-3 record or an overreaction to the return of AJ Green and the Bengals being "back on track". My eyes are telling me that the Browns are not nearly as good as their record would indicate. They cannot stop the run and Hoyer is slowly coming apart at the seams. I was expecting this game to open around -8.5/-9, so obviously my first instinct is to bet the Bengals.
It's been a long time since Cleveland has played any games that mattered. I'm thinking Cincy can win this game easy. Week 15, when the rematch is played in Cleveland, and after the Browns have taken their rightful place in the AFC North (last place), maybe that game has meaning also? As in they have a chance to play spoiler.
Can someone state their case for backing the Brownies here? And can you do it without mentioning past history and close games and battle of Ohio, etc..
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No play for me on this game at this point. Just bored at the moment and wanted to spew some thoughts.
Week 6, Cleveland beats Pittsburgh and loses Alex Mack for the season in the process. Since then they've gone 2-1, playing the three worst teams in the league; JAX, OAK, TB. They're currently sitting at 5-3 in what appears, on paper, to be possibly the toughest division in football. If you watched those three games you would know that three consecutive losses was not out of the question, especially this past week against TB. It took a blocked punt and a blocked field goal among other tiny miracles.
What I'm trying to figure out is if this current line of Cincy -6 is an overreaction to the Browns 5-3 record or an overreaction to the return of AJ Green and the Bengals being "back on track". My eyes are telling me that the Browns are not nearly as good as their record would indicate. They cannot stop the run and Hoyer is slowly coming apart at the seams. I was expecting this game to open around -8.5/-9, so obviously my first instinct is to bet the Bengals.
It's been a long time since Cleveland has played any games that mattered. I'm thinking Cincy can win this game easy. Week 15, when the rematch is played in Cleveland, and after the Browns have taken their rightful place in the AFC North (last place), maybe that game has meaning also? As in they have a chance to play spoiler.
Can someone state their case for backing the Brownies here? And can you do it without mentioning past history and close games and battle of Ohio, etc..
No surprises here. AJ Green was quoted saying he'll play many more snaps than he did on Sunday. Bernard likely out again, which doesn't bother me at all. Jeremy Hill likes his job.
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Early Cincy injury report:
OUT
LB Vontaze Burfict (knee)
DNP
RB Giovani Bernard (hip/clavicle)
CB Leon Hall (concussion)
LB Rey Maualuga (hamstring)
OT Andre Smith (ankle)
Limited
CB Darqueze Dennard (hamstring)
DE Robert Geathers (shoulder)
CB Terrence Newman (chest)
Full practice
OG Kevin Zeitler (calf)
No surprises here. AJ Green was quoted saying he'll play many more snaps than he did on Sunday. Bernard likely out again, which doesn't bother me at all. Jeremy Hill likes his job.
Was wondering what caught your eyes to post a play this early, haha.
I too thought this line would be closer to 10 points. Getting AJ green back to me is worth 1.5 to 2 points in itself. If I had to bet now it would be Cin, but I am not so going to go back and watch film on Cle and Cin for week #9 to see how they played.
Good luck to you this game !!
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Was wondering what caught your eyes to post a play this early, haha.
I too thought this line would be closer to 10 points. Getting AJ green back to me is worth 1.5 to 2 points in itself. If I had to bet now it would be Cin, but I am not so going to go back and watch film on Cle and Cin for week #9 to see how they played.
No early injury report from Cleveland as the Browns did not practice on Monday. However, TE Jordan Cameron suffered a concussion this past Sunday so I'm assuming he'll be listed as doubtful this week.
Weird side note... Johnny Manziel is on this month's cover of Golf Digest. Apparently Johhny Golf plays to a 7 handicap. A sandbagger, no doubt.
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No early injury report from Cleveland as the Browns did not practice on Monday. However, TE Jordan Cameron suffered a concussion this past Sunday so I'm assuming he'll be listed as doubtful this week.
Weird side note... Johnny Manziel is on this month's cover of Golf Digest. Apparently Johhny Golf plays to a 7 handicap. A sandbagger, no doubt.
Was wondering what caught your eyes to post a play this early, haha.
I too thought this line would be closer to 10 points. Getting AJ green back to me is worth 1.5 to 2 points in itself. If I had to bet now it would be Cin, but I am not so going to go back and watch film on Cle and Cin for week #9 to see how they played.
Good luck to you this game !!
Nah, I post a day early at the most. Usually on gameday. I just don't have the time to research games early in the week.
This makes two of us that expected a much higher line. Would it be the same had the Browns lost on Sunday to the Bucs, like they should have?
I can tell you now that you aren't going to like what you see when you watch the Browns tape. Hoyer seems to be getting worse each week. They get gashed by the run at will and 'workhorse' Ben Tate finishes the game with 3 yards. Yes, three.
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Quote Originally Posted by MRxKrazz:
Was wondering what caught your eyes to post a play this early, haha.
I too thought this line would be closer to 10 points. Getting AJ green back to me is worth 1.5 to 2 points in itself. If I had to bet now it would be Cin, but I am not so going to go back and watch film on Cle and Cin for week #9 to see how they played.
Good luck to you this game !!
Nah, I post a day early at the most. Usually on gameday. I just don't have the time to research games early in the week.
This makes two of us that expected a much higher line. Would it be the same had the Browns lost on Sunday to the Bucs, like they should have?
I can tell you now that you aren't going to like what you see when you watch the Browns tape. Hoyer seems to be getting worse each week. They get gashed by the run at will and 'workhorse' Ben Tate finishes the game with 3 yards. Yes, three.
No play for me as well but I wouldn't be shocked to see the Browns cover or have the ball with a chance to take a lead late.. I'm not a huge believer in the Bengals and I like Haden to hold his own vs Green.
I would slightly lean Browns but no play..
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No play for me as well but I wouldn't be shocked to see the Browns cover or have the ball with a chance to take a lead late.. I'm not a huge believer in the Bengals and I like Haden to hold his own vs Green.
No play for me as well but I wouldn't be shocked to see the Browns cover or have the ball with a chance to take a lead late.. I'm not a huge believer in the Bengals and I like Haden to hold his own vs Green.
I would slightly lean Browns but no play..
I also like Joe Haden and wouldn't be shocked if he held Green back. But he can only stop one receiver per play. Sanu is playing at a high level right now. I don't think the Cincy offense is of any concern this week. It's the defense that's keeping me away at the moment.
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Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:
No play for me as well but I wouldn't be shocked to see the Browns cover or have the ball with a chance to take a lead late.. I'm not a huge believer in the Bengals and I like Haden to hold his own vs Green.
I would slightly lean Browns but no play..
I also like Joe Haden and wouldn't be shocked if he held Green back. But he can only stop one receiver per play. Sanu is playing at a high level right now. I don't think the Cincy offense is of any concern this week. It's the defense that's keeping me away at the moment.
division battles generally are close. i think 6 is a acceptable line. cincy arent playing their best ball either even with AJ back. +6 for me but cincy should scrape out the win.
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division battles generally are close. i think 6 is a acceptable line. cincy arent playing their best ball either even with AJ back. +6 for me but cincy should scrape out the win.
Can't see Cleveland moving the ball. Cleveland TT under might be interesting. But I am afraid of some second half Johnny Football magic
Cincy's biggest weakness seems to be stopping the run, with a rush defense tied for 30th in the league. They've given up over 100 yards on the ground for six straight games. This game could be a great opportunity to fix that, though. Cleveland's o-line hasn't been the same since losing Mack and I don't think they cracked 50 total yards against the Bucs.
I hope it's not Johnny Football time already...
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Quote Originally Posted by suuma:
Can't see Cleveland moving the ball. Cleveland TT under might be interesting. But I am afraid of some second half Johnny Football magic
Cincy's biggest weakness seems to be stopping the run, with a rush defense tied for 30th in the league. They've given up over 100 yards on the ground for six straight games. This game could be a great opportunity to fix that, though. Cleveland's o-line hasn't been the same since losing Mack and I don't think they cracked 50 total yards against the Bucs.
I'm teasing the Bengals to a PK & the under 51, I think. The Browns cannot stop the run, but neither can the Bengals. Both 30th & 31st in league. The last time these two teams played at Paul Brown Stadium it was 41-20. The Browns took an early 13-0 lead before the Bengals scored 31 points in the second quarter. The Bengals had 3 INTs & scored 2 TDs off of a blocked punt & a fumble return for a TD. The Browns scored on a pick-6 by Joe Haden & a 74 yard TD by Josh Gordon. I don't see this game being a shootout again. The Bengals are one of the best home teams in the NFL. I think Joe Haden can shut down AJ Green, but expect Jeremy Hill to run for 85+. The Browns are playing over their heads right now. Hoyer is way better than Jason Campbell but I see like a 27-16 game here.
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I'm teasing the Bengals to a PK & the under 51, I think. The Browns cannot stop the run, but neither can the Bengals. Both 30th & 31st in league. The last time these two teams played at Paul Brown Stadium it was 41-20. The Browns took an early 13-0 lead before the Bengals scored 31 points in the second quarter. The Bengals had 3 INTs & scored 2 TDs off of a blocked punt & a fumble return for a TD. The Browns scored on a pick-6 by Joe Haden & a 74 yard TD by Josh Gordon. I don't see this game being a shootout again. The Bengals are one of the best home teams in the NFL. I think Joe Haden can shut down AJ Green, but expect Jeremy Hill to run for 85+. The Browns are playing over their heads right now. Hoyer is way better than Jason Campbell but I see like a 27-16 game here.
I'm not sure I agree with the Hoyer slowly coming apart at the seams comment. Although he doesn't do it pretty, Hoyer leads the league in 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives (including 1 last week vs the Bucs). Of course we'll get arguments that the Bucs stink, but who cares, a comeback is a comeback. The Browns are now 8-3 in games that Hoyer starts.
Either way, I think the focus should be on the Browns Defense not Hoyer. After giving up 30, 24, 23 and 28 points in their 1st 4 games, they've settled in and only given up 10, 24, 13, and 17 in their last 4. Again, yes this was against Oak, Jax, and TB, but remember they only gave up 10 against Pittsburgh (who has the best offense in the league since that game). The 24 that they allowed to Jackonville is a bit skewed as they gave up 14 points late in the 4th quarter, an 8 yard td drive off of a muffed punt with 6 minutes left and a 7 yard td drive off of a Hoyer int with 5 minutes left.
The odds are definitely stacked up against the Browns as they haven't won a division road game in over 5 years and the Bengals haven't lost a regular season home game in over 2 years, but there's something about this Browns team that has me thinking they can somehow go into Cincy and walk away with the win. Remember, Roethlesberger was 18-1 against the Browns until 3 weeks ago. I don't think laying almost a TD to this team is the smartest move.
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I'm not sure I agree with the Hoyer slowly coming apart at the seams comment. Although he doesn't do it pretty, Hoyer leads the league in 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives (including 1 last week vs the Bucs). Of course we'll get arguments that the Bucs stink, but who cares, a comeback is a comeback. The Browns are now 8-3 in games that Hoyer starts.
Either way, I think the focus should be on the Browns Defense not Hoyer. After giving up 30, 24, 23 and 28 points in their 1st 4 games, they've settled in and only given up 10, 24, 13, and 17 in their last 4. Again, yes this was against Oak, Jax, and TB, but remember they only gave up 10 against Pittsburgh (who has the best offense in the league since that game). The 24 that they allowed to Jackonville is a bit skewed as they gave up 14 points late in the 4th quarter, an 8 yard td drive off of a muffed punt with 6 minutes left and a 7 yard td drive off of a Hoyer int with 5 minutes left.
The odds are definitely stacked up against the Browns as they haven't won a division road game in over 5 years and the Bengals haven't lost a regular season home game in over 2 years, but there's something about this Browns team that has me thinking they can somehow go into Cincy and walk away with the win. Remember, Roethlesberger was 18-1 against the Browns until 3 weeks ago. I don't think laying almost a TD to this team is the smartest move.
Browns defense is underrated, division game in prime time, they're going to hang tough. I'm getting Browns+7, which I think is a pretty decent line for a team that usually fights for most of the wins they got, and the losses they received were closer than many gave them credit for. Bengals win straight up, but not by 6+ points in my opinion.
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Browns defense is underrated, division game in prime time, they're going to hang tough. I'm getting Browns+7, which I think is a pretty decent line for a team that usually fights for most of the wins they got, and the losses they received were closer than many gave them credit for. Bengals win straight up, but not by 6+ points in my opinion.
Saw an interview with Hoyer where he said that they had this game circled on their calendar as they were looking forward to it. They have no Sunday or Monday night game on the national scene and believe this is the best stage they will be on all year. So the guys are hype to be on primetime. Let's face it, not too many people watch Cleveland games outside of Cleveland. I take his comment seriously and I think the y will come out to play.
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Saw an interview with Hoyer where he said that they had this game circled on their calendar as they were looking forward to it. They have no Sunday or Monday night game on the national scene and believe this is the best stage they will be on all year. So the guys are hype to be on primetime. Let's face it, not too many people watch Cleveland games outside of Cleveland. I take his comment seriously and I think the y will come out to play.
Browns can't run the ball...they are the same as the San Diego chargers...can't run for garbage and rely on the passing game...Cincy ranked 4th in pass defense...hoyer will be facing the best pass defense he's seen all year Cincy in a route GL
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Browns can't run the ball...they are the same as the San Diego chargers...can't run for garbage and rely on the passing game...Cincy ranked 4th in pass defense...hoyer will be facing the best pass defense he's seen all year Cincy in a route GL
Never overestinate a team's defense that got scored 30+ points by the PANTHERS wack ass cincy . I think this game is unpredictable and wouldnt spend a penny on it
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Never overestinate a team's defense that got scored 30+ points by the PANTHERS wack ass cincy . I think this game is unpredictable and wouldnt spend a penny on it
Thursday night's game marks the first time the two will play since Dec. 14, 1986, that both Cincinnati and the Browns are over .500 at this point in the season.
That's 28 years ago.
For the heck of it, here's a few tidbits from that game:
Bernie Kosar started at quarterback for the Browns, Boomer Esiason for the Bengals.
Kevin Mack led the Browns in rushing, Stanley Wilson led the Bengals.
Webster Slaughter led the Browns in receiving, James Brooks led the Bengals.
Sam Clancy had a sack and Hanford Dixon an interception for the Browns, the Bengals had no sacks of turnovers.
Kosar completed 13-of-29 for 246 yards and a touchdown; nobody can recall any cries for his backup to play because he was below 50 percent.
The Browns improved to 12-4 with a 34-3 win in Riverfront, the Bengals dropped to 10-6.
The Browns went on to beat the Jets in that memorable playoff game, then lose to the Broncos 23-20 in the AFC Championship Game on that drive by whats-his-name at the end of the game.
By: Pat McManamon from ESPN.com
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Well this is meaningless, but...
Thursday night's game marks the first time the two will play since Dec. 14, 1986, that both Cincinnati and the Browns are over .500 at this point in the season.
That's 28 years ago.
For the heck of it, here's a few tidbits from that game:
Bernie Kosar started at quarterback for the Browns, Boomer Esiason for the Bengals.
Kevin Mack led the Browns in rushing, Stanley Wilson led the Bengals.
Webster Slaughter led the Browns in receiving, James Brooks led the Bengals.
Sam Clancy had a sack and Hanford Dixon an interception for the Browns, the Bengals had no sacks of turnovers.
Kosar completed 13-of-29 for 246 yards and a touchdown; nobody can recall any cries for his backup to play because he was below 50 percent.
The Browns improved to 12-4 with a 34-3 win in Riverfront, the Bengals dropped to 10-6.
The Browns went on to beat the Jets in that memorable playoff game, then lose to the Broncos 23-20 in the AFC Championship Game on that drive by whats-his-name at the end of the game.
The thing that concerns me about backing Cincy is there defense. They are a team built around playing great defense and they are terrible right now. Cincy SOS is 29th? They were my big play Sunday and couldn't put the Jags away? I agree about Clev, but feel they are a hungry team that doesn't quit. Prime time game vs a div opponent. My lean is to Clev, but wouldn't blame anyone for playing Cincy or sitting this one out
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The thing that concerns me about backing Cincy is there defense. They are a team built around playing great defense and they are terrible right now. Cincy SOS is 29th? They were my big play Sunday and couldn't put the Jags away? I agree about Clev, but feel they are a hungry team that doesn't quit. Prime time game vs a div opponent. My lean is to Clev, but wouldn't blame anyone for playing Cincy or sitting this one out
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