Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:
I've seen this stat mentioned 1500 times already. It's all over this forum, other forums, and twitter. This was a great stat when only a few knew about it. As soon as something like this becomes mainstream then it becomes obsolete.
Two stats that aren't mainstream:
Teams in the playoffs after winning a playoff game SU as a home dog are 1-15 ATS and 0-16 SU in their next game since 1987.
Carolina is 22-2 SU & 16-8 ATS in their last 24 games. They've been kicking behind for a season and a half!
I'll take the 22-2 team.
Andy, that 1-15 ATS/0-16 SU stat is absolutely absurd!! I'm all over the place with this game. If I can go back in time, I probably would have pulled the trigger early in the 3rd quarter when the advance line for Carolina over Denver was -2(strangely Zona was -2.5 SMH).
I snoozed on that(which I'm fine with as unless I have a game circled and I'm waiting for a particular spot, or I see a game Monday morning where I know I like a squad and I know the line is moving against me, I don't pound as many games early like I used to). But then the line opened at -3.5, and I figured to sit back and let things settle, keep an eye on some injuries I saw through the day.....then it was 4.5 in a blink.
Okay, now I realize I messed up and the line passed all the key numbers, and I have no choice but to sit back as a Panther backer and hope some Denver money plus maybe a big syndicate/tout release Denver as a play and bring it back down. But now I peek and I see Carolina is a heavily juiced -5.5.
I gotta think if it hits 6.....almost feel like I have to go Denver at this point. Their defense alone.....I think there's a chance that in a decade this defense will be looked at like the 85 Bears, 90 giants, 00 Ravens, 02 Bucs, and most recently and possibly the best in a new era of offense, the 13 Seahawks. And I do know that their style is more suited to shut down a more typical modern day offense like the Pats or Cards, but in the end, I do think they shut down Carolina's run game and ultimately leave the game 100% on Cam's arm. Which is where that defense can pin their ears back, rush 4-5 guys creatively and from all different spots and get pressure, and do it so their base defense in the secondary are loaded up exactly where they have to be(doubling Olsen and Ginn and trying to bait Newton into a mistake similar to what(ahh I can't think of his name) but the Denver LB did to Brady on his pick of him.
So giving a defense that good 6 points on a neutral field...gonna be hard to pass up even knowing just how good this panther is. When they were 4-0, 5-0, I said "impressive BUT....." When they were 6-0, 7-0, I said "impressive comeback over the Seahawks, but........" It took me awhile, but by midseason or so, I really came to respect just how good this team was. I always thought the head coach was a guy who sooner or later would make some bad calls and botch a game or two, but hes quietly been excellent all year. They players obviously get up for him. The defense is absolutely fantastic and fly around the ball. This team is LEGIT.
I just don't know if I can lay 6 with them though. Manning obviously is not only past his prime, but arguably borderline AWFUL. But my concerns with him are more athletic. His brain is still going strong, and I'm hoping his play and intuition at the line pre-snap will be enough to at the very least....put his players where they need to be to make plays. If his line can only protect him and he can "athletically" make plays with his arm. If he throws some bad picks early, or if he gets hit and fumbles....it might be a long long night. But IF he plays clean. And even a night where he's 23-39 202 yards 2 TD 0 turnovers. And the run game can keep the defense honest with a 25 carry, 80-90 yard performance.....that coupled with the Denver defense playing an A game should be enough to cover 6 points.
I'm cooked right now, but tomorrow I was gonna look at the league and try to find the teams that run an offense similar to Carolinas. I know that they are fairly unique, but I'm hoping to narrow it down to a couple of teams this great Denver D played this year, and see exactly how the defense worked to stop the run. If they stopped it, how did they adapt as the game progressed? What kind of success did they have both before and after the run game had to be respected? When Denver faced mobile QB, how did they fare stopping their legs, and more importantly what strategy did they use to stop said QB(was it a disciplined D playing contain, did they use a LB to tail the QB all game so their ends could focus on getting to the QB, etc etc).
I think we are gonna see a helluva game next Sunday!