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    Hey Patriot fans-which win this year over a quality opponent defines your team?

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    tjohnsont
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 11:36 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazual12:

    Beating Baltimore was the Patriots defining moment so far this season.  We all know that Cudiff f#cked the fg up.  The game would of went to over time blah blah blah.  The Patriots schedule was not very difficult at all.  Anyone who says that beating the Bills defines the Pats season is out of their mind.  Injuries and the lose of Fred Jackson impaired a team that was overachieving at the beginning of the season.  Hey, they did beat the Redskins a team that the Giants couldn't seem to beat.  I guess beating Oakland on the road and beating every NFC east team but the Giants could count for something.  Anyway, i am not impressed but they did score a ton of points.....  The Giants best wins were beating Philly once in Philadelphia, the Cowboys twice, the Patriots, and the Cardinals on the road.  Either way I am not impressed by the Giants regular season at all.  But look at who they have beaten lately and that I think matters the most.  Atlanta, Green Bay, San Fransisco....  The Pats Denver and BALTIMORE.  Why doesn't everyone just admit it that the Giants deserve to be here and the Patriots are not slouches.  It comes down to one game and it will be a good one.  I think every game before now means nothing unless it caused an injury to active players. 

    SF and Ravens play ball control.  They don't have killer instinct unless it's an easy score or defensive takeaway.  Both teams deserved to lose since they play to not lose the game rather than playing to get a good cushion lead just in case a mistake happens. 

    As you can see, both SF and Ravens lost because they made a mistake.   Yea, you can say the other teams got lucky but you can also say if you are playing 'prevent' the whole game then you deserve to lose. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazual12:

    Beating Baltimore was the Patriots defining moment so far this season.  We all know that Cudiff f#cked the fg up.  The game would of went to over time blah blah blah.  The Patriots schedule was not very difficult at all.  Anyone who says that beating the Bills defines the Pats season is out of their mind.  Injuries and the lose of Fred Jackson impaired a team that was overachieving at the beginning of the season.  Hey, they did beat the Redskins a team that the Giants couldn't seem to beat.  I guess beating Oakland on the road and beating every NFC east team but the Giants could count for something.  Anyway, i am not impressed but they did score a ton of points.....  The Giants best wins were beating Philly once in Philadelphia, the Cowboys twice, the Patriots, and the Cardinals on the road.  Either way I am not impressed by the Giants regular season at all.  But look at who they have beaten lately and that I think matters the most.  Atlanta, Green Bay, San Fransisco....  The Pats Denver and BALTIMORE.  Why doesn't everyone just admit it that the Giants deserve to be here and the Patriots are not slouches.  It comes down to one game and it will be a good one.  I think every game before now means nothing unless it caused an injury to active players. 

    SF and Ravens play ball control.  They don't have killer instinct unless it's an easy score or defensive takeaway.  Both teams deserved to lose since they play to not lose the game rather than playing to get a good cushion lead just in case a mistake happens. 

    As you can see, both SF and Ravens lost because they made a mistake.   Yea, you can say the other teams got lucky but you can also say if you are playing 'prevent' the whole game then you deserve to lose. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 11:36 AM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Sorry bud, but you are an idiot for pre-judging and not asking why I believe that to be true.  Unless you are a mind-reader 

    How old are you, 10 ? I don't care why you think Denver is a more quality win than SF and Green Bay. That's just plain stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Sorry bud, but you are an idiot for pre-judging and not asking why I believe that to be true.  Unless you are a mind-reader 

    How old are you, 10 ? I don't care why you think Denver is a more quality win than SF and Green Bay. That's just plain stupid.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 11:38 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by gilligansisland:

    How old are you, 10 ? I don't care why you think Denver is a more quality win than SF and Green Bay. That's just plain stupid.

    If you don't care then why are you commenting?  Move on.  If you can't respect another man's opintion then get lost.   You are entitled to yours while I'm entitled to my opinions. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilligansisland:

    How old are you, 10 ? I don't care why you think Denver is a more quality win than SF and Green Bay. That's just plain stupid.

    If you don't care then why are you commenting?  Move on.  If you can't respect another man's opintion then get lost.   You are entitled to yours while I'm entitled to my opinions. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:03 PM ET #29

    Beating Jets was also a quality win for the Patriots also. 
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    Beating Jets was also a quality win for the Patriots also. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:04 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Beating Jets was also a quality win for the Patriots also. 

    Who you bet on this game, Pats or Giants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Beating Jets was also a quality win for the Patriots also. 

    Who you bet on this game, Pats or Giants?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:09 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Who you bet on this game, Pats or Giants?

    Sorry, can't tell you.  I'm only answering to the thread question. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Who you bet on this game, Pats or Giants?

    Sorry, can't tell you.  I'm only answering to the thread question. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:11 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Sorry, can't tell you.  I'm only answering to the thread question. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Sorry, can't tell you.  I'm only answering to the thread question. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:18 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Atalanta, GB and SF were not quality wins. 





    Really, ok how about the Patriots, quality win or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Atalanta, GB and SF were not quality wins. 





    Really, ok how about the Patriots, quality win or not?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:19 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by gilligansisland:

    How old are you, 10 ? I don't care why you think Denver is a more quality win than SF and Green Bay. That's just plain stupid.

    1+1=2   So what is 1 + 1?   This guy is smart.  He tells us the obvious especially when the answer is already given to him.  What moron doesn't know SF and GB are superior teams as a result of their records. 

    It's easy to look at a team's record and then say beating that team is a quality win.  Games are about matchups which has something to do with a team's record but also has other factors involved that is not obvious based on their record alone. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilligansisland:

    How old are you, 10 ? I don't care why you think Denver is a more quality win than SF and Green Bay. That's just plain stupid.

    1+1=2   So what is 1 + 1?   This guy is smart.  He tells us the obvious especially when the answer is already given to him.  What moron doesn't know SF and GB are superior teams as a result of their records. 

    It's easy to look at a team's record and then say beating that team is a quality win.  Games are about matchups which has something to do with a team's record but also has other factors involved that is not obvious based on their record alone. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:20 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:






    Really, ok how about the Patriots, quality win or not?

    Giants beating the Patriots was not a quality win.  Giants beating Arizona and Eagles was a quality win. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:






    Really, ok how about the Patriots, quality win or not?

    Giants beating the Patriots was not a quality win.  Giants beating Arizona and Eagles was a quality win. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:21 PM ET #36

    Ok guys,
    Let us not dwell on the Patriots "quality wins" just list all the teams they beat with a winning record, that should make it easier.
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    Ok guys,
    Let us not dwell on the Patriots "quality wins" just list all the teams they beat with a winning record, that should make it easier.
    Go-
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:22 PM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Sorry, can't tell you.  I'm only answering to the thread question. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Sorry, can't tell you.  I'm only answering to the thread question. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:22 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by yankees2k6:




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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:24 PM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:






    Really, ok how about the Patriots, quality win or not?

    Dallas was also a quality win for the Giants. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:






    Really, ok how about the Patriots, quality win or not?

    Dallas was also a quality win for the Giants. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:24 PM ET #40

    I am kind of weird but I would respect the answer, yes, maybe the Patriots did have an easy schedule but they did win most of the games they were supposed to. They can only play the team across from them and they dominated most of the year, that said, I will bet one of the best QB's ever in Brady and let the chips fall where they may.
     To me-Better than saying Denver and Buffalo are quality wins.

    Wins against teams with winning records.......
    still waiting
    uh oh?
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    I am kind of weird but I would respect the answer, yes, maybe the Patriots did have an easy schedule but they did win most of the games they were supposed to. They can only play the team across from them and they dominated most of the year, that said, I will bet one of the best QB's ever in Brady and let the chips fall where they may.
     To me-Better than saying Denver and Buffalo are quality wins.

    Wins against teams with winning records.......
    still waiting
    uh oh?
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:25 PM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by yankees2k6:

    That is me now but come Sunday 8PST 

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    Quote Originally Posted by yankees2k6:

    That is me now but come Sunday 8PST 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:25 PM ET #42

    Anyone have a win against a team with a winning record?
    Jeez, cannot be that hard, can it....
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    Anyone have a win against a team with a winning record?
    Jeez, cannot be that hard, can it....
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:26 PM ET #43

    Suffice it to say the Mighty Johnson is on the Pats.

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    Suffice it to say the Mighty Johnson is on the Pats.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:27 PM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    I am kind of weird but I would respect the answer, yes, maybe the Patriots did have an easy schedule but they did win most of the games they were supposed to. They can only play the team across from them and they dominated most of the year, that said, I will bet one of the best QB's ever in Brady and let the chips fall where they may.
     To me-Better than saying Denver and Buffalo are quality wins.

    Wins against teams with winning records.......
    still waiting
    uh oh?

    Betting on QBs alone is not too smart.  Last time I checked Giants defense is as important if not more important than what they have on offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    I am kind of weird but I would respect the answer, yes, maybe the Patriots did have an easy schedule but they did win most of the games they were supposed to. They can only play the team across from them and they dominated most of the year, that said, I will bet one of the best QB's ever in Brady and let the chips fall where they may.
     To me-Better than saying Denver and Buffalo are quality wins.

    Wins against teams with winning records.......
    still waiting
    uh oh?

    Betting on QBs alone is not too smart.  Last time I checked Giants defense is as important if not more important than what they have on offense.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:29 PM ET #45

    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    Anyone have a win against a team with a winning record?
    Jeez, cannot be that hard, can it....

    Which opponent was a quality win for the Patriots?

    And for the Giants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:

    Anyone have a win against a team with a winning record?
    Jeez, cannot be that hard, can it....

    Which opponent was a quality win for the Patriots?

    And for the Giants?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:32 PM ET #46

    I guess we will have to disagree, cool, good for you. Good luck on the game.
    I am just waiting for all the teams the Patriots beat with winning records, should be at least 4 or so?





































































       Ravens-oh sorry, just the one. Oh well , they can make it two in three days or so.
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    I guess we will have to disagree, cool, good for you. Good luck on the game.
    I am just waiting for all the teams the Patriots beat with winning records, should be at least 4 or so?





































































       Ravens-oh sorry, just the one. Oh well , they can make it two in three days or so.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:34 PM ET #47

    What does Patriots or Giants beating teams with a winning record have anything to do with who will win come Sunday?
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:38 PM ET #48

    I can tell you one thing- Giants lost twice in devastating fashion to the lowly Redskins.  Does that count for anything?

    In your eyes it doesn't so why does it matter how many teams with winning records the Patriots have beaten.  

    You should also ask yourself how many teams has the Giants lost to that have losing records? 

    If it wasn't for the Giants, the Skins would be 3-13

    The Giants losing to the Redsking doesn't mean anything to me but to the simple minded it might mean alot.

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    I can tell you one thing- Giants lost twice in devastating fashion to the lowly Redskins.  Does that count for anything?

    In your eyes it doesn't so why does it matter how many teams with winning records the Patriots have beaten.  

    You should also ask yourself how many teams has the Giants lost to that have losing records? 

    If it wasn't for the Giants, the Skins would be 3-13

    The Giants losing to the Redsking doesn't mean anything to me but to the simple minded it might mean alot.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:48 PM ET #49

    The Pats had some quality wins this year, just because the team they played didn't finish the regular season with a winning record doesn't mean it's not a quality win. Week 1, Monday night @ Miami. Week 2 vs SD, at the time you would have had SD as an AFC contender. Week 5 and 10 vs Jets with a road game on SNF. Week 12 vs Philly, a preseason SB fav. Confrence Campionship, lost the turnover ratio 3:1 and still beat Balt. 

    Any win in the NFL is a quality win. Pats have won 10 in a row, not an easy task. 
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    The Pats had some quality wins this year, just because the team they played didn't finish the regular season with a winning record doesn't mean it's not a quality win. Week 1, Monday night @ Miami. Week 2 vs SD, at the time you would have had SD as an AFC contender. Week 5 and 10 vs Jets with a road game on SNF. Week 12 vs Philly, a preseason SB fav. Confrence Campionship, lost the turnover ratio 3:1 and still beat Balt. 

    Any win in the NFL is a quality win. Pats have won 10 in a row, not an easy task. 
     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2012 - 12:50 PM ET #50

    Picking this superbowl is very simple. 

    Pick Patriots if you like Tom Brady.  Giants got lucky.

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    Pick Giants since they always beat Patriots and that front 4 for the Giants is gonna tear Brady a new one.  Patriots have a weak schedule.

    If it was only that simple. 

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    Picking this superbowl is very simple. 

    Pick Patriots if you like Tom Brady.  Giants got lucky.

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    Pick Giants since they always beat Patriots and that front 4 for the Giants is gonna tear Brady a new one.  Patriots have a weak schedule.

    If it was only that simple. 

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