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    FredTheGodson
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2012 - 2:04 PM ET #1

    How, Belicheat and Brady names hold MAJOR WEIGHT.... When it shouldnt imo...


    Pats backers are just gonna ignore that AWWWWFUL defense...

    You really think that defense is gonna stop Nicks,Manningham,Cruz and Bradshaw more times than Giants killer D line will stop a 65% Gronk, Welker and Hern?

    Give me the Giants..
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    How, Belicheat and Brady names hold MAJOR WEIGHT.... When it shouldnt imo...


    Pats backers are just gonna ignore that AWWWWFUL defense...

    You really think that defense is gonna stop Nicks,Manningham,Cruz and Bradshaw more times than Giants killer D line will stop a 65% Gronk, Welker and Hern?

    Give me the Giants..
     
    TheBallDontLie
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2012 - 2:09 PM ET #2

    Giants/Patriots defense are about equal dipshit. Patriots run defense is better than the Giants. Giants Pass defense is slightly better than the Patriots. Patriots were without key players all season long, are finally healthy now. Giants allow 25 points a game to the Patriots 21. Patriots second in the league in interceptions. Logan Mankins healthy on the line makes a huge difference.
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    Giants/Patriots defense are about equal dipshit. Patriots run defense is better than the Giants. Giants Pass defense is slightly better than the Patriots. Patriots were without key players all season long, are finally healthy now. Giants allow 25 points a game to the Patriots 21. Patriots second in the league in interceptions. Logan Mankins healthy on the line makes a huge difference.
     
    FredTheGodson
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2012 - 2:55 PM ET #3

    Why do I have to be a dipshit.. Relax..

    Throw the stats out the window.. Pats rank 31st in defense.. They stink.. They didnt beat a team over 500 this season except Ravens gift wrapping them a win with Brady throwing 2 ints with no TDs..

    Giants shut Aaron Rodgers DOWN, IN GB
    Giants SHUTOUT the Falcons offensively.. Thats very impressive..
    Giants held Niners to 1-14 on 3rd downs IN FRISCO

    and finally

    Giants beat NE in NE without Nicks and Bradshaw.. Very impressive...

    Thats all Im saying... Thats why Im surprised Pats are favored and so many people are on them.. How Giants arent favored is beyond me..
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    Why do I have to be a dipshit.. Relax..

    Throw the stats out the window.. Pats rank 31st in defense.. They stink.. They didnt beat a team over 500 this season except Ravens gift wrapping them a win with Brady throwing 2 ints with no TDs..

    Giants shut Aaron Rodgers DOWN, IN GB
    Giants SHUTOUT the Falcons offensively.. Thats very impressive..
    Giants held Niners to 1-14 on 3rd downs IN FRISCO

    and finally

    Giants beat NE in NE without Nicks and Bradshaw.. Very impressive...

    Thats all Im saying... Thats why Im surprised Pats are favored and so many people are on them.. How Giants arent favored is beyond me..
     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2012 - 3:06 PM ET #4

    From CHFF ...

    "FALSEHOOD NO. 1: The Patriots' defense is terrible.

    We've had to hear endlessly about the Patriots' "31st-ranked defense," a fact based solely on the number of yards they allowed in the regular season. And there's no refuting it — they allowed a metric ton of yards. But that doesn't mean that they're terrible.

    Let's offer another stat that does a nice job of balancing, courtesy of our Scott Kacsmar -- New England is the only defense in 2011 not to allow more than 27 points in a game once all season.

    Does that sound like the work of a terrible defense?

    New England did allow 34 points in a loss to Buffalo — but seven of those came thanks to a pick-six by the Bills' D, so only 27 of them were allowed by the D.

    And if you've, you know, actually watched the Patriots' defense play over the last two months instead of just repeating the same tired stats, you get the picture of a team that plays physically up front, can get to the quarterback and is excellent in the red zone.

    They have forced at least one turnover in 13 straight games, and after allowing an average of 477.5 the first four weeks they've allowed 379.8 the last 14 weeks — not a great number, but not a terrible one either, especially considering the amount of garbage time involved.

    They are certainly prone to lapses in the secondary — frightening ones, at times — and have been inconsistent from half to half and even drive to drive. They are not the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. But they are certainly not terrible."

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    From CHFF ...

    "FALSEHOOD NO. 1: The Patriots' defense is terrible.

    We've had to hear endlessly about the Patriots' "31st-ranked defense," a fact based solely on the number of yards they allowed in the regular season. And there's no refuting it — they allowed a metric ton of yards. But that doesn't mean that they're terrible.

    Let's offer another stat that does a nice job of balancing, courtesy of our Scott Kacsmar -- New England is the only defense in 2011 not to allow more than 27 points in a game once all season.

    Does that sound like the work of a terrible defense?

    New England did allow 34 points in a loss to Buffalo — but seven of those came thanks to a pick-six by the Bills' D, so only 27 of them were allowed by the D.

    And if you've, you know, actually watched the Patriots' defense play over the last two months instead of just repeating the same tired stats, you get the picture of a team that plays physically up front, can get to the quarterback and is excellent in the red zone.

    They have forced at least one turnover in 13 straight games, and after allowing an average of 477.5 the first four weeks they've allowed 379.8 the last 14 weeks — not a great number, but not a terrible one either, especially considering the amount of garbage time involved.

    They are certainly prone to lapses in the secondary — frightening ones, at times — and have been inconsistent from half to half and even drive to drive. They are not the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. But they are certainly not terrible."

     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2012 - 3:18 PM ET #5

    HOG WASH

    They are horrible.. Ive seen them play.. They suck..
    They had one of the easiest schedules in the league.. Every above 500 team destroyed them, and Pats lost..

    Thats all Im saying.. 
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    HOG WASH

    They are horrible.. Ive seen them play.. They suck..
    They had one of the easiest schedules in the league.. Every above 500 team destroyed them, and Pats lost..

    Thats all Im saying.. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2012 - 3:22 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by DaKid:

    From CHFF ...

    "FALSEHOOD NO. 1: The Patriots' defense is terrible.

    We've had to hear endlessly about the Patriots' "31st-ranked defense," a fact based solely on the number of yards they allowed in the regular season. And there's no refuting it — they allowed a metric ton of yards. But that doesn't mean that they're terrible.

    Let's offer another stat that does a nice job of balancing, courtesy of our Scott Kacsmar -- New England is the only defense in 2011 not to allow more than 27 points in a game once all season.

    Does that sound like the work of a terrible defense?

    New England did allow 34 points in a loss to Buffalo — but seven of those came thanks to a pick-six by the Bills' D, so only 27 of them were allowed by the D.

    And if you've, you know, actually watched the Patriots' defense play over the last two months instead of just repeating the same tired stats, you get the picture of a team that plays physically up front, can get to the quarterback and is excellent in the red zone.

    They have forced at least one turnover in 13 straight games, and after allowing an average of 477.5 the first four weeks they've allowed 379.8 the last 14 weeks — not a great number, but not a terrible one either, especially considering the amount of garbage time involved.

    They are certainly prone to lapses in the secondary — frightening ones, at times — and have been inconsistent from half to half and even drive to drive. They are not the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. But they are certainly not terrible."



    Actually a laughable post....You said the Pats have not allowed over 27 points all year then say they have to Buffalo and that was because of the 7 from the pick 6...C'mon brother if you analyze every defense in the league and add the Offense throwing a pick 6 you will find more teams in that category....

    The last 9 games NE has played has not seen a Top 10 QB except Flacco who is in the 10th spot....

    They are 15th in the league in D scoring which is terrible...They allowed 24 points against a Giant team who did not have Nicks or Bradshaw...

    They allowed 24 points to the Colts who are 30th in Offense and 28th in scoring.....This was done December 4th....

    To say that their D is better is a joke.....
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    From CHFF ...

    "FALSEHOOD NO. 1: The Patriots' defense is terrible.

    We've had to hear endlessly about the Patriots' "31st-ranked defense," a fact based solely on the number of yards they allowed in the regular season. And there's no refuting it — they allowed a metric ton of yards. But that doesn't mean that they're terrible.

    Let's offer another stat that does a nice job of balancing, courtesy of our Scott Kacsmar -- New England is the only defense in 2011 not to allow more than 27 points in a game once all season.

    Does that sound like the work of a terrible defense?

    New England did allow 34 points in a loss to Buffalo — but seven of those came thanks to a pick-six by the Bills' D, so only 27 of them were allowed by the D.

    And if you've, you know, actually watched the Patriots' defense play over the last two months instead of just repeating the same tired stats, you get the picture of a team that plays physically up front, can get to the quarterback and is excellent in the red zone.

    They have forced at least one turnover in 13 straight games, and after allowing an average of 477.5 the first four weeks they've allowed 379.8 the last 14 weeks — not a great number, but not a terrible one either, especially considering the amount of garbage time involved.

    They are certainly prone to lapses in the secondary — frightening ones, at times — and have been inconsistent from half to half and even drive to drive. They are not the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. But they are certainly not terrible."



    Actually a laughable post....You said the Pats have not allowed over 27 points all year then say they have to Buffalo and that was because of the 7 from the pick 6...C'mon brother if you analyze every defense in the league and add the Offense throwing a pick 6 you will find more teams in that category....

    The last 9 games NE has played has not seen a Top 10 QB except Flacco who is in the 10th spot....

    They are 15th in the league in D scoring which is terrible...They allowed 24 points against a Giant team who did not have Nicks or Bradshaw...

    They allowed 24 points to the Colts who are 30th in Offense and 28th in scoring.....This was done December 4th....

    To say that their D is better is a joke.....
     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2012 - 3:23 PM ET #7

    NE 13-3   

    NY   9-7  

     

    You have to take their records into consideration making NE the favorite.

    This is the only reason I can see to making NE the favorite.

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    NE 13-3   

    NY   9-7  

     

    You have to take their records into consideration making NE the favorite.

    This is the only reason I can see to making NE the favorite.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2012 - 3:29 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by FredTheGodson:

    HOG WASH

    They are horrible.. Ive seen them play.. They suck..
    They had one of the easiest schedules in the league.. Every above 500 team destroyed them, and Pats lost..

    Thats all Im saying.. 

    Give me a break the Giants beat the Pats by 4 points scoring with less than a minute to go.You call that destroying.

    How the hell did the Giants lose TWICE to the lowly 

    5 -11 REDSKINS ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredTheGodson:

    HOG WASH

    They are horrible.. Ive seen them play.. They suck..
    They had one of the easiest schedules in the league.. Every above 500 team destroyed them, and Pats lost..

    Thats all Im saying.. 

    Give me a break the Giants beat the Pats by 4 points scoring with less than a minute to go.You call that destroying.

    How the hell did the Giants lose TWICE to the lowly 

    5 -11 REDSKINS ?

     
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    Freddie G, I think Pats D will step up.  Belicheck will have them ready.


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    Freddie G, I think Pats D will step up.  Belicheck will have them ready.


     
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    "
    Actually a laughable post....You said the Pats have not allowed over 27 points all year then say they have to Buffalo and that was because of the 7 from the pick 6...C'mon brother if you analyze every defense in the league and add the Offense throwing a pick 6 you will find more teams in that category...."


    Actually, no.  There are no other teams in this category, just the Pats DEFENSE.
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    Actually a laughable post....You said the Pats have not allowed over 27 points all year then say they have to Buffalo and that was because of the 7 from the pick 6...C'mon brother if you analyze every defense in the league and add the Offense throwing a pick 6 you will find more teams in that category...."


    Actually, no.  There are no other teams in this category, just the Pats DEFENSE.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2012 - 3:42 PM ET #11

    look at overall stats if pats defense is awful then giants isnt much better because they are not far behind
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    look at overall stats if pats defense is awful then giants isnt much better because they are not far behind
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaKid:

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    Actually a laughable post....You said the Pats have not allowed over 27 points all year then say they have to Buffalo and that was because of the 7 from the pick 6...C'mon brother if you analyze every defense in the league and add the Offense throwing a pick 6 you will find more teams in that category...."


    Actually, no.  There are no other teams in this category, just the Pats DEFENSE.


    Wow thats a good Offense then.....For a team that faced 2 good Offenses all year.............
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    Actually a laughable post....You said the Pats have not allowed over 27 points all year then say they have to Buffalo and that was because of the 7 from the pick 6...C'mon brother if you analyze every defense in the league and add the Offense throwing a pick 6 you will find more teams in that category...."


    Actually, no.  There are no other teams in this category, just the Pats DEFENSE.


    Wow thats a good Offense then.....For a team that faced 2 good Offenses all year.............
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pynnz:



    Actually a laughable post....You said the Pats have not allowed over 27 points all year then say they have to Buffalo and that was because of the 7 from the pick 6...C'mon brother if you analyze every defense in the league and add the Offense throwing a pick 6 you will find more teams in that category....

    The last 9 games NE has played has not seen a Top 10 QB except Flacco who is in the 10th spot....

    They are 15th in the league in D scoring which is terrible...They allowed 24 points against a Giant team who did not have Nicks or Bradshaw...

    They allowed 24 points to the Colts who are 30th in Offense and 28th in scoring.....This was done December 4th....

    To say that their D is better is a joke.....

    Preach brother.. Preach
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    Actually a laughable post....You said the Pats have not allowed over 27 points all year then say they have to Buffalo and that was because of the 7 from the pick 6...C'mon brother if you analyze every defense in the league and add the Offense throwing a pick 6 you will find more teams in that category....

    The last 9 games NE has played has not seen a Top 10 QB except Flacco who is in the 10th spot....

    They are 15th in the league in D scoring which is terrible...They allowed 24 points against a Giant team who did not have Nicks or Bradshaw...

    They allowed 24 points to the Colts who are 30th in Offense and 28th in scoring.....This was done December 4th....

    To say that their D is better is a joke.....

    Preach brother.. Preach
     
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    For all the people saying Giants defense isnt much better than the Pats.. Do you really believe thats putrid Pats D would have held ATL to 2 points? and shutting down the best offense in football IN GB?
    Get real.. Pats would have lost both games..

    NFC > AFC this season...

    Eli will be MUCH more comfortable vs this shitty Pats D than those animals in Frisco knocking him all over the place..

    How is a WR gonna guard Victor Cruz? Seriously..


    And obviously Giants beating NE in NE without Nicks and Bradshaw holds no weight for whatever reason..

    AND

    People talk about Belicheat having 2 weeks to prepare is unstoppable.. Last time I checked, when Coughlin had 2 weeks to prepare he held Brady and the greatest offense of all time to 14 points...and WON!! 

    At the end of the day, the only advantage NE has is the TE position, who knows if that will stand with a banged up Gronk..
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    For all the people saying Giants defense isnt much better than the Pats.. Do you really believe thats putrid Pats D would have held ATL to 2 points? and shutting down the best offense in football IN GB?
    Get real.. Pats would have lost both games..

    NFC > AFC this season...

    Eli will be MUCH more comfortable vs this shitty Pats D than those animals in Frisco knocking him all over the place..

    How is a WR gonna guard Victor Cruz? Seriously..


    And obviously Giants beating NE in NE without Nicks and Bradshaw holds no weight for whatever reason..

    AND

    People talk about Belicheat having 2 weeks to prepare is unstoppable.. Last time I checked, when Coughlin had 2 weeks to prepare he held Brady and the greatest offense of all time to 14 points...and WON!! 

    At the end of the day, the only advantage NE has is the TE position, who knows if that will stand with a banged up Gronk..
     
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    Freddy G ... BOL dude.

    Just pick a side and let's get it ... this shit has been beaten to death for two weeks now here on Covers and everywhere else. Good luck to you but I am on NE.

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    Freddy G ... BOL dude.

    Just pick a side and let's get it ... this shit has been beaten to death for two weeks now here on Covers and everywhere else. Good luck to you but I am on NE.

     
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    The reason that n england is the favorite is to even the money for betting action. If the giants were favorites I think it would be 70 - 30 on NE .  If the spread was even still more on NE ,so they made NE favorites which I personally think is absurd thus you see a 60 - 40 edge for giants.  I think they should have opened at even and see where action is going and adjust later like the N.C. game where Alabama became favorite. I bet moneyline on the g-men which I now regret because I think late money will come in on NE and they will win like the tide did.HOPE I AM WRONG
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    The reason that n england is the favorite is to even the money for betting action. If the giants were favorites I think it would be 70 - 30 on NE .  If the spread was even still more on NE ,so they made NE favorites which I personally think is absurd thus you see a 60 - 40 edge for giants.  I think they should have opened at even and see where action is going and adjust later like the N.C. game where Alabama became favorite. I bet moneyline on the g-men which I now regret because I think late money will come in on NE and they will win like the tide did.HOPE I AM WRONG
     
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    giants win... this Super Bowl is too easy of a pick... if gronk was healthy it would be tough... but he's not
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    giants win... this Super Bowl is too easy of a pick... if gronk was healthy it would be tough... but he's not
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaKid:

    From CHFF ...

    "FALSEHOOD NO. 1: The Patriots' defense is terrible.

    We've had to hear endlessly about the Patriots' "31st-ranked defense," a fact based solely on the number of yards they allowed in the regular season. And there's no refuting it — they allowed a metric ton of yards. But that doesn't mean that they're terrible.

    Let's offer another stat that does a nice job of balancing, courtesy of our Scott Kacsmar -- New England is the only defense in 2011 not to allow more than 27 points in a game once all season.

    Does that sound like the work of a terrible defense?

    New England did allow 34 points in a loss to Buffalo — but seven of those came thanks to a pick-six by the Bills' D, so only 27 of them were allowed by the D.

    And if you've, you know, actually watched the Patriots' defense play over the last two months instead of just repeating the same tired stats, you get the picture of a team that plays physically up front, can get to the quarterback and is excellent in the red zone.

    They have forced at least one turnover in 13 straight games, and after allowing an average of 477.5 the first four weeks they've allowed 379.8 the last 14 weeks — not a great number, but not a terrible one either, especially considering the amount of garbage time involved.

    They are certainly prone to lapses in the secondary — frightening ones, at times — and have been inconsistent from half to half and even drive to drive. They are not the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. But they are certainly not terrible."

    The most meaningless stat of the decade, the Pats being the only team not to give-up more than 27 points.

    So if they give-up 27 pts every game but never more that makes them better than a team that gave up 30 pts and 34 pts but gave-up 3 pts twice, 7 pts 3 times and 10 pts 4 times, according to the report the author would believe so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaKid:

    From CHFF ...

    "FALSEHOOD NO. 1: The Patriots' defense is terrible.

    We've had to hear endlessly about the Patriots' "31st-ranked defense," a fact based solely on the number of yards they allowed in the regular season. And there's no refuting it — they allowed a metric ton of yards. But that doesn't mean that they're terrible.

    Let's offer another stat that does a nice job of balancing, courtesy of our Scott Kacsmar -- New England is the only defense in 2011 not to allow more than 27 points in a game once all season.

    Does that sound like the work of a terrible defense?

    New England did allow 34 points in a loss to Buffalo — but seven of those came thanks to a pick-six by the Bills' D, so only 27 of them were allowed by the D.

    And if you've, you know, actually watched the Patriots' defense play over the last two months instead of just repeating the same tired stats, you get the picture of a team that plays physically up front, can get to the quarterback and is excellent in the red zone.

    They have forced at least one turnover in 13 straight games, and after allowing an average of 477.5 the first four weeks they've allowed 379.8 the last 14 weeks — not a great number, but not a terrible one either, especially considering the amount of garbage time involved.

    They are certainly prone to lapses in the secondary — frightening ones, at times — and have been inconsistent from half to half and even drive to drive. They are not the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. But they are certainly not terrible."

    The most meaningless stat of the decade, the Pats being the only team not to give-up more than 27 points.

    So if they give-up 27 pts every game but never more that makes them better than a team that gave up 30 pts and 34 pts but gave-up 3 pts twice, 7 pts 3 times and 10 pts 4 times, according to the report the author would believe so.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 4, 2012 - 8:31 PM ET #19

    Last time I checked, it's points not yardage given up that wins games.   
    If it makes all Giants backers happy you can have the yardage edge.  I'll take the points.
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    Last time I checked, it's points not yardage given up that wins games.   
    If it makes all Giants backers happy you can have the yardage edge.  I'll take the points.
     
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    Give me a break the Giants beat the Pats by 4 points scoring with less than a minute to go.You call that destroying.

    How the hell did the Giants lose TWICE to the lowly 

    5 -11 REDSKINS ?

     I believe the NY Giants play to their level of competition.. As a die hard fan , I believe the Giants are the better team.GL to the Patriots if you"re a fan.  

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    Give me a break the Giants beat the Pats by 4 points scoring with less than a minute to go.You call that destroying.

    How the hell did the Giants lose TWICE to the lowly 

    5 -11 REDSKINS ?

     I believe the NY Giants play to their level of competition.. As a die hard fan , I believe the Giants are the better team.GL to the Patriots if you"re a fan.  

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredTheGodson:

    Why do I have to be a dipshit.. Relax..

    Throw the stats out the window.. Pats rank 31st in defense.. They stink.. They didnt beat a team over 500 this season except Ravens gift wrapping them a win with Brady throwing 2 ints with no TDs..

    Giants shut Aaron Rodgers DOWN, IN GB
    Giants SHUTOUT the Falcons offensively.. Thats very impressive..
    Giants held Niners to 1-14 on 3rd downs IN FRISCO

    and finally

    Giants beat NE in NE without Nicks and Bradshaw.. Very impressive...

    Thats all Im saying... Thats why Im surprised Pats are favored and so many people are on them.. How Giants arent favored is beyond me..

    It's amazing how many people are discounting the parts in bold.  Having said that, I completely understand why the Pats are favored...  after all...  it's Belicheat and the golden boy.  Very public team.  If the odds makers put NE up as a dog...  they get even less money on the Giants.

    If my Bills can beat them...  then so can the Gmen...  AGAIN.  

    Eli is playing extremely well right now.  The Giants front four can generate more pressure than pretty much any other team the Pats have played this year.  JPP for the win!  

    When Brady has time, the death blow isn't far behind.  But when he doesn't...  advantage Gmen.  

    Giants 21-17
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredTheGodson:

    Why do I have to be a dipshit.. Relax..

    Throw the stats out the window.. Pats rank 31st in defense.. They stink.. They didnt beat a team over 500 this season except Ravens gift wrapping them a win with Brady throwing 2 ints with no TDs..

    Giants shut Aaron Rodgers DOWN, IN GB
    Giants SHUTOUT the Falcons offensively.. Thats very impressive..
    Giants held Niners to 1-14 on 3rd downs IN FRISCO

    and finally

    Giants beat NE in NE without Nicks and Bradshaw.. Very impressive...

    Thats all Im saying... Thats why Im surprised Pats are favored and so many people are on them.. How Giants arent favored is beyond me..

    It's amazing how many people are discounting the parts in bold.  Having said that, I completely understand why the Pats are favored...  after all...  it's Belicheat and the golden boy.  Very public team.  If the odds makers put NE up as a dog...  they get even less money on the Giants.

    If my Bills can beat them...  then so can the Gmen...  AGAIN.  

    Eli is playing extremely well right now.  The Giants front four can generate more pressure than pretty much any other team the Pats have played this year.  JPP for the win!  

    When Brady has time, the death blow isn't far behind.  But when he doesn't...  advantage Gmen.  

    Giants 21-17
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by timdogs17:

    Give me a break the Giants beat the Pats by 4 points scoring with less than a minute to go.You call that destroying.

    How the hell did the Giants lose TWICE to the lowly 

    5 -11 REDSKINS ?

     I believe the NY Giants play to their level of competition.. As a die hard fan , I believe the Giants are the better team.GL to the Patriots if you"re a fan.  

    Good man I'm not here to argue.It's nice to see someone not totally blind to the fact the Patriots can't win.Hell I'm smart enough to know the Giants can win.       I'm sure this will be a hell of a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timdogs17:

    Give me a break the Giants beat the Pats by 4 points scoring with less than a minute to go.You call that destroying.

    How the hell did the Giants lose TWICE to the lowly 

    5 -11 REDSKINS ?

     I believe the NY Giants play to their level of competition.. As a die hard fan , I believe the Giants are the better team.GL to the Patriots if you"re a fan.  

    Good man I'm not here to argue.It's nice to see someone not totally blind to the fact the Patriots can't win.Hell I'm smart enough to know the Giants can win.       I'm sure this will be a hell of a game.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipman808:

    The reason that n england is the favorite is to even the money for betting action. If the giants were favorites I think it would be 70 - 30 on NE .  If the spread was even still more on NE ,so they made NE favorites which I personally think is absurd thus you see a 60 - 40 edge for giants.  I think they should have opened at even and see where action is going and adjust later like the N.C. game where Alabama became favorite. I bet moneyline on the g-men which I now regret because I think late money will come in on NE and they will win like the tide did.HOPE I AM WRONG

     

    You are not wrong (and very cute too) the Niners would have beaten the Giants if not for 2 untimely miscues. Pats roll like the tide the back bay

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipman808:

    The reason that n england is the favorite is to even the money for betting action. If the giants were favorites I think it would be 70 - 30 on NE .  If the spread was even still more on NE ,so they made NE favorites which I personally think is absurd thus you see a 60 - 40 edge for giants.  I think they should have opened at even and see where action is going and adjust later like the N.C. game where Alabama became favorite. I bet moneyline on the g-men which I now regret because I think late money will come in on NE and they will win like the tide did.HOPE I AM WRONG

     

    You are not wrong (and very cute too) the Niners would have beaten the Giants if not for 2 untimely miscues. Pats roll like the tide the back bay

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeee369:

     

    You are not wrong (and very cute too) the Niners would have beaten the Giants if not for 2 untimely miscues. Pats roll like the tide the back bay


    And Baltimore would win if not for the dropped pass in the endzone...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeee369:

     

    You are not wrong (and very cute too) the Niners would have beaten the Giants if not for 2 untimely miscues. Pats roll like the tide the back bay


    And Baltimore would win if not for the dropped pass in the endzone...........
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pynnz:


    And Baltimore would win if not for the dropped pass in the endzone...........

    You truely are a dick.No drop it was stripped.  

     

     Watch the replay numbnuts.

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    And Baltimore would win if not for the dropped pass in the endzone...........

    You truely are a dick.No drop it was stripped.  

     

     Watch the replay numbnuts.

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