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    Its like a broken recored, but THIS is why Seattle wins!!

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    wesley7
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 11:20 AM ET #1

    Look,  a lot of threads here will have a lot researched stats ect,  and a lot of that can be usefull but can also get your head going a lot of different ways.  Lets keep this SIMPLE!  DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!  Seattles defense forced 3 4th quarter turnovers againt niners,  I can go on and on and on with their defensive stats but we all know what their defense is made of.  Peyton Manning in my opinion is best quarterback to ever play the game once the smoke clears,  and has tons of weapons around him.  Have they been tested against a Seattle defense?  Will he find a way to score?  Sure he will but not like he has all season.  Peyton has been criticized as being a below par qb in cold weather,  he shut is critics up with a great cold weather game this year,  but historically his numbers way down in cold outdoor games,  and we all know where and when this one is being played.  Last but not least Seattle will be able to score on Denver with suspect areas on their defense.  If seattle can get it done with more points than niners in a game with that niners defense then rest should fall into place against Denver.  DEFENSE WINS THIS CHAMPIONSHIP.  Comments?

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    Look,  a lot of threads here will have a lot researched stats ect,  and a lot of that can be usefull but can also get your head going a lot of different ways.  Lets keep this SIMPLE!  DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!  Seattles defense forced 3 4th quarter turnovers againt niners,  I can go on and on and on with their defensive stats but we all know what their defense is made of.  Peyton Manning in my opinion is best quarterback to ever play the game once the smoke clears,  and has tons of weapons around him.  Have they been tested against a Seattle defense?  Will he find a way to score?  Sure he will but not like he has all season.  Peyton has been criticized as being a below par qb in cold weather,  he shut is critics up with a great cold weather game this year,  but historically his numbers way down in cold outdoor games,  and we all know where and when this one is being played.  Last but not least Seattle will be able to score on Denver with suspect areas on their defense.  If seattle can get it done with more points than niners in a game with that niners defense then rest should fall into place against Denver.  DEFENSE WINS THIS CHAMPIONSHIP.  Comments?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 11:28 AM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by wesley7:

    Look,  a lot of threads here will have a lot researched stats ect,  and a lot of that can be usefull but can also get your head going a lot of different ways.  Lets keep this SIMPLE!  DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!  Seattles defense forced 3 4th quarter turnovers againt niners,  I can go on and on and on with their defensive stats but we all know what their defense is made of.  Peyton Manning in my opinion is best quarterback to ever play the game once the smoke clears,  and has tons of weapons around him.  Have they been tested against a Seattle defense?  Will he find a way to score?  Sure he will but not like he has all season.  Peyton has been criticized as being a below par qb in cold weather,  he shut is critics up with a great cold weather game this year,  but historically his numbers way down in cold outdoor games,  and we all know where and when this one is being played.  Last but not least Seattle will be able to score on Denver with suspect areas on their defense.  If seattle can get it done with more points than niners in a game with that niners defense then rest should fall into place against Denver.  DEFENSE WINS THIS CHAMPIONSHIP.  Comments?

    I agree 100 percent... Seattle is a whole diff ball of wax.. A team that will knock you C_______k off
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    Quote Originally Posted by wesley7:

    Look,  a lot of threads here will have a lot researched stats ect,  and a lot of that can be usefull but can also get your head going a lot of different ways.  Lets keep this SIMPLE!  DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!  Seattles defense forced 3 4th quarter turnovers againt niners,  I can go on and on and on with their defensive stats but we all know what their defense is made of.  Peyton Manning in my opinion is best quarterback to ever play the game once the smoke clears,  and has tons of weapons around him.  Have they been tested against a Seattle defense?  Will he find a way to score?  Sure he will but not like he has all season.  Peyton has been criticized as being a below par qb in cold weather,  he shut is critics up with a great cold weather game this year,  but historically his numbers way down in cold outdoor games,  and we all know where and when this one is being played.  Last but not least Seattle will be able to score on Denver with suspect areas on their defense.  If seattle can get it done with more points than niners in a game with that niners defense then rest should fall into place against Denver.  DEFENSE WINS THIS CHAMPIONSHIP.  Comments?

    I agree 100 percent... Seattle is a whole diff ball of wax.. A team that will knock you C_______k off
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 11:31 AM ET #3

    Makes perfect sense
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    Makes perfect sense
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 11:32 AM ET #4

    GB had the best defense a few years ago against the Steelers right?
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    GB had the best defense a few years ago against the Steelers right?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 11:43 AM ET #5

    Kap made the turnovers.  Do you think Peyton will make the same mistakes Kap did?
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    Kap made the turnovers.  Do you think Peyton will make the same mistakes Kap did?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 11:44 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by Bet4Bums:

    GB had the best defense a few years ago against the Steelers right?
    Superbowl? Gb won.............lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bet4Bums:

    GB had the best defense a few years ago against the Steelers right?
    Superbowl? Gb won.............lol
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 11:50 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Kap made the turnovers.  Do you think Peyton will make the same mistakes Kap did?

    Not at all!!  But Seattle will not have to worry about Peyton running either which will allow them to focus on the run  (tail back) and paytons pocket passing,  and not the intangible of a mobile qb which takes another dimension away.  Broncos will score on them,  just not like they do on everyone else,  it wont be enough as seattle will score that much more on suspect broncos defense.  But to answer your question no peyton wont make nearly as many mistakes., but wont be enough as hes not gonna be able to put up enough even with good execution. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Kap made the turnovers.  Do you think Peyton will make the same mistakes Kap did?

    Not at all!!  But Seattle will not have to worry about Peyton running either which will allow them to focus on the run  (tail back) and paytons pocket passing,  and not the intangible of a mobile qb which takes another dimension away.  Broncos will score on them,  just not like they do on everyone else,  it wont be enough as seattle will score that much more on suspect broncos defense.  But to answer your question no peyton wont make nearly as many mistakes., but wont be enough as hes not gonna be able to put up enough even with good execution. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 11:56 AM ET #8

    Both defenses are playing outstanding in the playoffs. In terms of receivers, Denver has the edge. Experiences? Den has the edge. It's all going to come down to...the team with the better QB will win the SB.
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    Both defenses are playing outstanding in the playoffs. In terms of receivers, Denver has the edge. Experiences? Den has the edge. It's all going to come down to...the team with the better QB will win the SB.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 12:02 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by texancapper:

    Both defenses are playing outstanding in the playoffs. In terms of receivers, Denver has the edge. Experiences? Den has the edge. It's all going to come down to...the team with the better QB will win the SB.

    Seattles Corners are better and Seattles Running Game WILL be better in this one.  Marshawn Lynch will be extra Beast mode.  Seattle will control clock as well with his running game.  But yes an edge with recievers. and expierence.  Good Luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by texancapper:

    Both defenses are playing outstanding in the playoffs. In terms of receivers, Denver has the edge. Experiences? Den has the edge. It's all going to come down to...the team with the better QB will win the SB.

    Seattles Corners are better and Seattles Running Game WILL be better in this one.  Marshawn Lynch will be extra Beast mode.  Seattle will control clock as well with his running game.  But yes an edge with recievers. and expierence.  Good Luck

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 1:22 PM ET #10

    When he goes extra beast mode, does he get more than one fumble gifted back to him?
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    When he goes extra beast mode, does he get more than one fumble gifted back to him?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 2:04 PM ET #11

    Well...your a bright guy, and like your perspective...HOWEVER

    in this case...OFFENSE WINS  THE SUPER BOWL this year. 

    I'll put my money on the BEST quarterback who's going to make the best decisions under extreme pressure.  You don't think there going to have safety valves for Payton on the Hawks blitz's?

    Hope we have a great and competitive Super Bowl, and BOL in all the bets you will choose.
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    Well...your a bright guy, and like your perspective...HOWEVER

    in this case...OFFENSE WINS  THE SUPER BOWL this year. 

    I'll put my money on the BEST quarterback who's going to make the best decisions under extreme pressure.  You don't think there going to have safety valves for Payton on the Hawks blitz's?

    Hope we have a great and competitive Super Bowl, and BOL in all the bets you will choose.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 2:12 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Kap made the turnovers.  Do you think Peyton will make the same mistakes Kap did?

    U Never know….
    Peyton tries to DRILL Em in there too….
    A Couple picks may come of a few FORCED Balls??
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:

    Kap made the turnovers.  Do you think Peyton will make the same mistakes Kap did?

    U Never know….
    Peyton tries to DRILL Em in there too….
    A Couple picks may come of a few FORCED Balls??
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 2:25 PM ET #13

    DEFENSE WINS ??you forget seattles #1 defense was due in large part to their 12th man....they won't be there on sb sun...but the #1 offense will with ny fans rooting for eli's brother
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    DEFENSE WINS ??you forget seattles #1 defense was due in large part to their 12th man....they won't be there on sb sun...but the #1 offense will with ny fans rooting for eli's brother
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 2:27 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Cooler999:

    Well...your a bright guy, and like your perspective...HOWEVER

    in this case...OFFENSE WINS  THE SUPER BOWL this year. 

    I'll put my money on the BEST quarterback who's going to make the best decisions under extreme pressure.  You don't think there going to have safety valves for Payton on the Hawks blitz's?

    Hope we have a great and competitive Super Bowl, and BOL in all the bets you will choose.

    Thanks for the input man!  Yes peyton and the broncos will be well prepared I agree.  It will have to be a chip by chip game that way,  Seattle will control the clock,  peyton may have to open it up,  but yes your right.  Good Luck with your bets!  Appreciate feedback

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooler999:

    Well...your a bright guy, and like your perspective...HOWEVER

    in this case...OFFENSE WINS  THE SUPER BOWL this year. 

    I'll put my money on the BEST quarterback who's going to make the best decisions under extreme pressure.  You don't think there going to have safety valves for Payton on the Hawks blitz's?

    Hope we have a great and competitive Super Bowl, and BOL in all the bets you will choose.

    Thanks for the input man!  Yes peyton and the broncos will be well prepared I agree.  It will have to be a chip by chip game that way,  Seattle will control the clock,  peyton may have to open it up,  but yes your right.  Good Luck with your bets!  Appreciate feedback

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 2:39 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Cooler999:

    Well...your a bright guy, and like your perspective...HOWEVER

    in this case...OFFENSE WINS  THE SUPER BOWL this year. 

    I'll put my money on the BEST quarterback who's going to make the best decisions under extreme pressure.  You don't think there going to have safety valves for Payton on the Hawks blitz's?

    Hope we have a great and competitive Super Bowl, and BOL in all the bets you will choose.

    Denver by 4..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooler999:

    Well...your a bright guy, and like your perspective...HOWEVER

    in this case...OFFENSE WINS  THE SUPER BOWL this year. 

    I'll put my money on the BEST quarterback who's going to make the best decisions under extreme pressure.  You don't think there going to have safety valves for Payton on the Hawks blitz's?

    Hope we have a great and competitive Super Bowl, and BOL in all the bets you will choose.

    Denver by 4..
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 2:45 PM ET #16

    Over the past 11 Super Bowls the avg total points scored is 49pts. Only 1 game was A blowout. That means the games are relatively close. What I'm taking from that is..there will be a good amount of points scored and therefore offense means more than defense in the SB and in a close game, I'm taking the best QB of all time. 

    Denver 34 Seattle 23 

    I actually did a 2 team teaser right when the lines came out..l got Denver +8 over 40.5pts.. Good luck with your plays. 
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    Over the past 11 Super Bowls the avg total points scored is 49pts. Only 1 game was A blowout. That means the games are relatively close. What I'm taking from that is..there will be a good amount of points scored and therefore offense means more than defense in the SB and in a close game, I'm taking the best QB of all time. 

    Denver 34 Seattle 23 

    I actually did a 2 team teaser right when the lines came out..l got Denver +8 over 40.5pts.. Good luck with your plays. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 2:59 PM ET #17

    Saints offense was making a come back in the second quarter 2 weeks ago... I don't think Peyton will be any worse then Drew Brees.  Plus Bronco defense isn't that bad... they held Patriots to just 3 points in the first half on Sunday!  Bronco basically bottled up Blount, Ridley and Vereen.  
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    Saints offense was making a come back in the second quarter 2 weeks ago... I don't think Peyton will be any worse then Drew Brees.  Plus Bronco defense isn't that bad... they held Patriots to just 3 points in the first half on Sunday!  Bronco basically bottled up Blount, Ridley and Vereen.  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 3:44 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIEW:

    DEFENSE WINS ??you forget seattles #1 defense was due in large part to their 12th man....they won't be there on sb sun...but the #1 offense will with ny fans rooting for eli's brother


    Sea's D is #1 in scoring, yards per game, and yards per play in AWAY games..

     

    https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/team-stat/scoring-defense-category

     

    https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/team-stat/total-defense-category



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    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIEW:

    DEFENSE WINS ??you forget seattles #1 defense was due in large part to their 12th man....they won't be there on sb sun...but the #1 offense will with ny fans rooting for eli's brother


    Sea's D is #1 in scoring, yards per game, and yards per play in AWAY games..

     

    https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/team-stat/scoring-defense-category

     

    https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/team-stat/total-defense-category



     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 4:01 PM ET #19

    they sure didn't get those nice stats against tampa bay...24
    houston 20....and ind 34.....yeah they shut out the weak jints and gave up 7 to carolina in the 1st game   scoring 12 to beat them 
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    they sure didn't get those nice stats against tampa bay...24
    houston 20....and ind 34.....yeah they shut out the weak jints and gave up 7 to carolina in the 1st game   scoring 12 to beat them 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 4:26 PM ET #20

    Seattle ML.  

    You guys are taking all the bait.  
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    Seattle ML.  

    You guys are taking all the bait.  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 4:38 PM ET #21

    be careful you don't catch a shark ....a payton type shark
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    be careful you don't catch a shark ....a payton type shark
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 5:21 PM ET #22

    To me, it basically comes down to one thing: pressure on Manning, especially earlier in the game.  Look at last week's games, Brady wasn't himself after few sacks and knockdowns. Obviously, Manning is a much better QB than Wilson but he can be rattled, too. It's not like we have never seen it before. In addition, the Hawks has LBs and secondary to match up with Den's weapons. It will be a great game.
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    To me, it basically comes down to one thing: pressure on Manning, especially earlier in the game.  Look at last week's games, Brady wasn't himself after few sacks and knockdowns. Obviously, Manning is a much better QB than Wilson but he can be rattled, too. It's not like we have never seen it before. In addition, the Hawks has LBs and secondary to match up with Den's weapons. It will be a great game.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 6:37 PM ET #23

    Defense wins championships but denvers d has been awesome for two weeks against high powered offenses. Dont ignore this. Seattle is not high powered offensively. I think hawks will play great defence but Manning makes more plays. 
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    Defense wins championships but denvers d has been awesome for two weeks against high powered offenses. Dont ignore this. Seattle is not high powered offensively. I think hawks will play great defence but Manning makes more plays. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2014 - 10:48 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Defense wins championships but denvers d has been awesome for two weeks against high powered offenses. Dont ignore this. Seattle is not high powered offensively. I think hawks will play great defence but Manning makes more plays. 

    The facts don't back that up.

    Denver defense gave-up a average 104.85 QBPR to Rivers and Brady, who's regular season average was 96.4.

    In other words, Rivers and Brady played better against Denver's defense than they did in the average regular season game.

    Seattle's defense gave-up a ave of 71.35 to Bree's and Kap, who ave 98.15, better than Rivers and Brady in the regular season.

    Seattle's defense held Bree's and Kap to almost 27 pts below their regular season ave.

    Denver's defense is anything but awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    Defense wins championships but denvers d has been awesome for two weeks against high powered offenses. Dont ignore this. Seattle is not high powered offensively. I think hawks will play great defence but Manning makes more plays. 

    The facts don't back that up.

    Denver defense gave-up a average 104.85 QBPR to Rivers and Brady, who's regular season average was 96.4.

    In other words, Rivers and Brady played better against Denver's defense than they did in the average regular season game.

    Seattle's defense gave-up a ave of 71.35 to Bree's and Kap, who ave 98.15, better than Rivers and Brady in the regular season.

    Seattle's defense held Bree's and Kap to almost 27 pts below their regular season ave.

    Denver's defense is anything but awesome.

     
     
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    Denver has a decent rush D.......but are suspect in the 2ndary. Unfortunately, Seattle's strength is not passing.

     Manning won't be shut down all day..........but the overall balance of this Seattle team is why I like them to win........they almost seem destined.
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    Denver has a decent rush D.......but are suspect in the 2ndary. Unfortunately, Seattle's strength is not passing.

     Manning won't be shut down all day..........but the overall balance of this Seattle team is why I like them to win........they almost seem destined.
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