Those who think anyone could have won with that defense are idiots Why did the steelers never won the Super Bowl with Kordel or Neil o´donell? I guess the defense was really horrible those days, not really.
Fact of the matter guys like Warren Moon never got to the Super Bowl, actually Warren never got to the AFC championship game Why? Because it takes a certain kind of guy to win when the stakes are higher, and no NFL QB has a better reputation than Big Ben right now, maybe Brady but will he be the same? Big Ben has had to deal with the bike accident, the concussion in the last game et. but he still is a fearless QB, Peyton has had a longer , more productive NFL carrer but he has continuosly choked big time a la Warren MOON, Eli is nothing without Plaxico, whom Big Ben lost after his first year.
Rivers is the only one with as much upside as Ben, but the clock is ticking now. I disagree with the guys who think Mcnabb is a loser, fact of the matter is , even though he is clearly not Joe Montana, then again who is? Eagles as a team have never had the complete package, no great receivers or running game to support him, only game in which he look bad was vs Tampa bay, but Tampa made a long list of QB´S look bad, including Warner, García and Gannon.
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Those who think anyone could have won with that defense are idiots Why did the steelers never won the Super Bowl with Kordel or Neil o´donell? I guess the defense was really horrible those days, not really.
Fact of the matter guys like Warren Moon never got to the Super Bowl, actually Warren never got to the AFC championship game Why? Because it takes a certain kind of guy to win when the stakes are higher, and no NFL QB has a better reputation than Big Ben right now, maybe Brady but will he be the same? Big Ben has had to deal with the bike accident, the concussion in the last game et. but he still is a fearless QB, Peyton has had a longer , more productive NFL carrer but he has continuosly choked big time a la Warren MOON, Eli is nothing without Plaxico, whom Big Ben lost after his first year.
Rivers is the only one with as much upside as Ben, but the clock is ticking now. I disagree with the guys who think Mcnabb is a loser, fact of the matter is , even though he is clearly not Joe Montana, then again who is? Eagles as a team have never had the complete package, no great receivers or running game to support him, only game in which he look bad was vs Tampa bay, but Tampa made a long list of QB´S look bad, including Warner, García and Gannon.
I hate stepping into other peoples arguments on here but you both are somewhere in the middle of the correct answer. Ben is a clutch quarterback, not a great quarterback. He has the good fortune of being on an awesome team. It's honestly impossible to rank quarterbacks in the NFL. Brady was thought of much like Ben until he got an amazing offensive line. Now hes the greatest of all time. You could probably put 13 other quarterbacks on Pittsburgh and they would win the superbowl. In no way does that discount what hes done, but to say hes one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL b/c he has the best supporting cast is ridiculous too. Truth is he doesnt really care, I'm sure he enjoys not having to be the best and still winning championships. I do think if you place him on a horrible team he would struggle immensely
Whatever you want to believe to make you sleep better Bend.
Oh, and this coming from a team who celebrated like they won the National Championship against...Umm...the Bearcats
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Quote Originally Posted by bibendi23:
I hate stepping into other peoples arguments on here but you both are somewhere in the middle of the correct answer. Ben is a clutch quarterback, not a great quarterback. He has the good fortune of being on an awesome team. It's honestly impossible to rank quarterbacks in the NFL. Brady was thought of much like Ben until he got an amazing offensive line. Now hes the greatest of all time. You could probably put 13 other quarterbacks on Pittsburgh and they would win the superbowl. In no way does that discount what hes done, but to say hes one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL b/c he has the best supporting cast is ridiculous too. Truth is he doesnt really care, I'm sure he enjoys not having to be the best and still winning championships. I do think if you place him on a horrible team he would struggle immensely
Whatever you want to believe to make you sleep better Bend.
Oh, and this coming from a team who celebrated like they won the National Championship against...Umm...the Bearcats
Ben-8 years, Mendenhall-5years, Sweed-4years, Farrior-5year extension through 2012, Aaron Smith-signed through 2011, Woodley, Holmes, Ike and Mewelde Moore both have 2 years left, Polamalu through 2011 along with Kendall Simmons and Lawrence Timmons. Please don't come at me with your shit because you obviously did no research before making your comment and you don't know how the Steelers organization works. They will keep getting players through the draft and resign the right players.
I didn't research anything because I didn't need to....my point was you are only worried about Ben as if he's your entire team! Gimme a break, he's an average QB and that's all that team needs as long as they have great players on defense and at other positions on offense. You saying everything will be fine because Ben has an 8 year extension has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Just goes to show you how stupid all you Steeler homers are. You think having this average QB under contract means you're gonna win more Super Bowls...what a fuckin' idiot! LMAO!
So you don't think you'll lose any of those guys in the next few years? They're all just gonna stay? How will the Steelers be able to afford them? You know there are going to be plenty of guys on that defense with a lot of value and plenty of teams willing to pay them more than the Steelers can or will. Sweed? Mendenhall? What have they done? You're living in a dream world...
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Quote Originally Posted by JimMack6:
Ben-8 years, Mendenhall-5years, Sweed-4years, Farrior-5year extension through 2012, Aaron Smith-signed through 2011, Woodley, Holmes, Ike and Mewelde Moore both have 2 years left, Polamalu through 2011 along with Kendall Simmons and Lawrence Timmons. Please don't come at me with your shit because you obviously did no research before making your comment and you don't know how the Steelers organization works. They will keep getting players through the draft and resign the right players.
I didn't research anything because I didn't need to....my point was you are only worried about Ben as if he's your entire team! Gimme a break, he's an average QB and that's all that team needs as long as they have great players on defense and at other positions on offense. You saying everything will be fine because Ben has an 8 year extension has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Just goes to show you how stupid all you Steeler homers are. You think having this average QB under contract means you're gonna win more Super Bowls...what a fuckin' idiot! LMAO!
So you don't think you'll lose any of those guys in the next few years? They're all just gonna stay? How will the Steelers be able to afford them? You know there are going to be plenty of guys on that defense with a lot of value and plenty of teams willing to pay them more than the Steelers can or will. Sweed? Mendenhall? What have they done? You're living in a dream world...
Steelers have always been able to replace players that have either left or were let go. The Steelers aren't stupid they drafted Mendenhall and Sweed with their top two picks for a reason, they dont miss on many drafts, so time will tell with those two. Have you seen the thread about Joe Montana, pretty average quarterback huh? Keep hatin, we'll keep winnin.
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Steelers have always been able to replace players that have either left or were let go. The Steelers aren't stupid they drafted Mendenhall and Sweed with their top two picks for a reason, they dont miss on many drafts, so time will tell with those two. Have you seen the thread about Joe Montana, pretty average quarterback huh? Keep hatin, we'll keep winnin.
Ur also wrong about me thinking that Ben is the entire team. I know damn well we have a great D, decent receivers, the running game struggled this year but for the most part it's usually good. I'm not fuckin blind I know he didn't do it all or even the great share of it. I'm not saying he's the best quarterback in the league either. But the man wins and makes plays when they are needed. There aren't many other qbs in the league that shift around in the pocket and make the plays he does under pressure. Keep hatin, we'll keep winning.
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Ur also wrong about me thinking that Ben is the entire team. I know damn well we have a great D, decent receivers, the running game struggled this year but for the most part it's usually good. I'm not fuckin blind I know he didn't do it all or even the great share of it. I'm not saying he's the best quarterback in the league either. But the man wins and makes plays when they are needed. There aren't many other qbs in the league that shift around in the pocket and make the plays he does under pressure. Keep hatin, we'll keep winning.
Hey pukie, every team has to deal with this situation you mut, and most every team finds a way to keep their core guys. Guess the Steelers will be the only team that will fall apart though, LMFAO!!!!!! I remember when I was a pukie, just talking out of my @ss.
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Quote Originally Posted by L8kersFan74:
Edit: PUkie pukie pukie pukie
Second paragraph, more puke, puke and puke
Hey pukie, every team has to deal with this situation you mut, and most every team finds a way to keep their core guys. Guess the Steelers will be the only team that will fall apart though, LMFAO!!!!!! I remember when I was a pukie, just talking out of my @ss.
The stupidity of people in this thread is just aggrivating.
Rivers isn't better then Big Ben, neither is brees with his idiotic plays. McNabb? just STFU if you believe that.
Someone said Byron Leftwhich at mid season? How the fuk could you possibly even think that? Pfff, I don't care if you back tracked from the comment, it was highly stupid, maybe 4 years ago it wouldn't of been as bad but in Bens 5th year? Yeah, great football mind.
The guy leads an 80 yard drive with 2:37 left in the game and dumb fuks still find a way to puke on it? Just STFU.
fool, did u even get your GED ??
better learn how to read ... taking shit out context...
u are not ben's mother so stop sounding like a little bitch.
in the middle of the season when ben was throwing all those picks and getting sacked because he refused to participate in the midweek drills, he was one of the worst QB in the league. The offense moved more fluid with Byron in there.. causing some fans to call for benching big ben (ala mcnabb).
everything has time and place.
mid season, ben sucked.
after winning the superbowl, he's the best.
next year, it can be matt cassell, for all i know.
football mind?? u dont even have a clue..
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Quote Originally Posted by electricladylnd:
The stupidity of people in this thread is just aggrivating.
Rivers isn't better then Big Ben, neither is brees with his idiotic plays. McNabb? just STFU if you believe that.
Someone said Byron Leftwhich at mid season? How the fuk could you possibly even think that? Pfff, I don't care if you back tracked from the comment, it was highly stupid, maybe 4 years ago it wouldn't of been as bad but in Bens 5th year? Yeah, great football mind.
The guy leads an 80 yard drive with 2:37 left in the game and dumb fuks still find a way to puke on it? Just STFU.
fool, did u even get your GED ??
better learn how to read ... taking shit out context...
u are not ben's mother so stop sounding like a little bitch.
in the middle of the season when ben was throwing all those picks and getting sacked because he refused to participate in the midweek drills, he was one of the worst QB in the league. The offense moved more fluid with Byron in there.. causing some fans to call for benching big ben (ala mcnabb).
everything has time and place.
mid season, ben sucked.
after winning the superbowl, he's the best.
next year, it can be matt cassell, for all i know.
better learn how to read ... taking shit out context...
u are not ben's mother so stop sounding like a little bitch.
in the middle of the season when ben was throwing all those picks and getting sacked because he refused to participate in the midweek drills, he was one of the worst QB in the league. The offense moved more fluid with Byron in there.. causing some fans to call for benching big ben (ala mcnabb).
everything has time and place.
mid season, ben sucked.
after winning the superbowl, he's the best.
next year, it can be matt cassell, for all i know.
football mind?? u dont even have a clue..
Dude, you have Byron Leftwich ahead of Big Ben, because he played better in spot duty vs the Skins? That's just stupid Yeah, Big Ben had a shoulder injury, you think Ben just didn't want to practice? Get a fuking clue.
Ben had 4 ints vs the Giants who were the best team in football at the time, and Ben had 3 ints in his 1st game back from his shoulder injury? Did you know he threw 3 ints the rest of the year? 2 vs the Titans after their brutal schedule was almost over and 1 at NE. So he had 2 bad games, 1 vs the reigned Champs and 1 after his shoulder injury, and you are stupid enough to say Byron was better? LMFAO!
By your stupid logic you would of said Jim Sorgi if Peyton hurt his shoulder and Sorgi played good vs the Browns. It's just plain stupid. You honestly think 1 player on the Steelers was wanting Byron instead of Ben? Yeah right, get a fuking clue.
Now your comment is even stupider after I looked further.
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Quote Originally Posted by crazycarlitos:
fool, did u even get your GED ??
better learn how to read ... taking shit out context...
u are not ben's mother so stop sounding like a little bitch.
in the middle of the season when ben was throwing all those picks and getting sacked because he refused to participate in the midweek drills, he was one of the worst QB in the league. The offense moved more fluid with Byron in there.. causing some fans to call for benching big ben (ala mcnabb).
everything has time and place.
mid season, ben sucked.
after winning the superbowl, he's the best.
next year, it can be matt cassell, for all i know.
football mind?? u dont even have a clue..
Dude, you have Byron Leftwich ahead of Big Ben, because he played better in spot duty vs the Skins? That's just stupid Yeah, Big Ben had a shoulder injury, you think Ben just didn't want to practice? Get a fuking clue.
Ben had 4 ints vs the Giants who were the best team in football at the time, and Ben had 3 ints in his 1st game back from his shoulder injury? Did you know he threw 3 ints the rest of the year? 2 vs the Titans after their brutal schedule was almost over and 1 at NE. So he had 2 bad games, 1 vs the reigned Champs and 1 after his shoulder injury, and you are stupid enough to say Byron was better? LMFAO!
By your stupid logic you would of said Jim Sorgi if Peyton hurt his shoulder and Sorgi played good vs the Browns. It's just plain stupid. You honestly think 1 player on the Steelers was wanting Byron instead of Ben? Yeah right, get a fuking clue.
Now your comment is even stupider after I looked further.
anybody who says ben is the best in the nfl is truely a pitt homer. the guy made the plays he needed to make. you are all the same people after 6 games that wanted him out. with manning, brady, brees, warner, this game would have been a blowout in the first half. they wouldn't have kicked they fgs, they woulda scored tds. ben had a WR with a 6 step lead on a post route in the first half and underthrew him by 5 yards and cromartie tipped it away. ben also made the bonehead play to beat the 2 minute warning and cost them a down. he also admitted the TD to holmes on their last play was lucky, and right when he passed it his thoughts were "oh know, i just lost us the game"
as to top 3 ahead oh him
brady manning Kurt warner
the guys a good player for their system, he doesn't make some of the bonehead plays he used to to lose the game. to use the arguements that he wins superbowls so he is great is a completely stupid statement. Marino has zero rings, trent dilfer has a ring, figure it out if ben roethlisberger was on the cardinals they may not have made the playoffs
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anybody who says ben is the best in the nfl is truely a pitt homer. the guy made the plays he needed to make. you are all the same people after 6 games that wanted him out. with manning, brady, brees, warner, this game would have been a blowout in the first half. they wouldn't have kicked they fgs, they woulda scored tds. ben had a WR with a 6 step lead on a post route in the first half and underthrew him by 5 yards and cromartie tipped it away. ben also made the bonehead play to beat the 2 minute warning and cost them a down. he also admitted the TD to holmes on their last play was lucky, and right when he passed it his thoughts were "oh know, i just lost us the game"
as to top 3 ahead oh him
brady manning Kurt warner
the guys a good player for their system, he doesn't make some of the bonehead plays he used to to lose the game. to use the arguements that he wins superbowls so he is great is a completely stupid statement. Marino has zero rings, trent dilfer has a ring, figure it out if ben roethlisberger was on the cardinals they may not have made the playoffs
Dude, you have Byron Leftwich ahead of Big Ben, because he played better in spot duty vs the Skins? That's just stupid Yeah, Big Ben had a shoulder injury, you think Ben just didn't want to practice? Get a fuking clue.
Ben had 4 ints vs the Giants who were the best team in football at the time, and Ben had 3 ints in his 1st game back from his shoulder injury? Did you know he threw 3 ints the rest of the year? 2 vs the Titans after their brutal schedule was almost over and 1 at NE. So he had 2 bad games, 1 vs the reigned Champs and 1 after his shoulder injury, and you are stupid enough to say Byron was better? LMFAO!
By your stupid logic you would of said Jim Sorgi if Peyton hurt his shoulder and Sorgi played good vs the Browns. It's just plain stupid. You honestly think 1 player on the Steelers was wanting Byron instead of Ben? Yeah right, get a fuking clue.
Now your comment is even stupider after I looked further.
Seems like u get the general concept about time and place.. then u proudly display ur ignorance and lack of reading skills by opening ur big mouth...
There's no educating this fool.. i give up.
yeah, ur big ben has always been, is now, and always will be the best QB this league has ever seen.
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Quote Originally Posted by electricladylnd:
Dude, you have Byron Leftwich ahead of Big Ben, because he played better in spot duty vs the Skins? That's just stupid Yeah, Big Ben had a shoulder injury, you think Ben just didn't want to practice? Get a fuking clue.
Ben had 4 ints vs the Giants who were the best team in football at the time, and Ben had 3 ints in his 1st game back from his shoulder injury? Did you know he threw 3 ints the rest of the year? 2 vs the Titans after their brutal schedule was almost over and 1 at NE. So he had 2 bad games, 1 vs the reigned Champs and 1 after his shoulder injury, and you are stupid enough to say Byron was better? LMFAO!
By your stupid logic you would of said Jim Sorgi if Peyton hurt his shoulder and Sorgi played good vs the Browns. It's just plain stupid. You honestly think 1 player on the Steelers was wanting Byron instead of Ben? Yeah right, get a fuking clue.
Now your comment is even stupider after I looked further.
Seems like u get the general concept about time and place.. then u proudly display ur ignorance and lack of reading skills by opening ur big mouth...
There's no educating this fool.. i give up.
yeah, ur big ben has always been, is now, and always will be the best QB this league has ever seen.
Big Ben had a helluva game and I am not hating on him at all. However, I think that Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees are better QBs, probably some others. Ben still is maturing and my congratulations to him and the Steelers for a really good SB win.
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Big Ben had a helluva game and I am not hating on him at all. However, I think that Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees are better QBs, probably some others. Ben still is maturing and my congratulations to him and the Steelers for a really good SB win.
Seems like u get the general concept about time and place.. then u proudly display ur ignorance and lack of reading skills by opening ur big mouth...
There's no educating this fool.. i give up.
yeah, ur big ben has always been, is now, and always will be the best QB this league has ever seen.
You are going to tell me The NYG were not the best team in football for the first half of the year? Yeah ok. I still have no idea what you are babbling about either. Big Ben has a shitty game against the best team in football, gets a shoulder injury the next week, has a shitty game the next game back and you are saying that Byron Leftwich was better. Go fuk yourself with your stupid opinions.
Big Ben is not my favorite QB, Tom Brady is, I was rooting for the cards also, your opinion was just flat out stupid.
BTW, out of my entire post you highlight me saying the Giants were the best team in the league in week 8 as you trying to prove your point? LMFAO!!!!!!!!! What a douche bag.
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Quote Originally Posted by crazycarlitos:
Seems like u get the general concept about time and place.. then u proudly display ur ignorance and lack of reading skills by opening ur big mouth...
There's no educating this fool.. i give up.
yeah, ur big ben has always been, is now, and always will be the best QB this league has ever seen.
You are going to tell me The NYG were not the best team in football for the first half of the year? Yeah ok. I still have no idea what you are babbling about either. Big Ben has a shitty game against the best team in football, gets a shoulder injury the next week, has a shitty game the next game back and you are saying that Byron Leftwich was better. Go fuk yourself with your stupid opinions.
Big Ben is not my favorite QB, Tom Brady is, I was rooting for the cards also, your opinion was just flat out stupid.
BTW, out of my entire post you highlight me saying the Giants were the best team in the league in week 8 as you trying to prove your point? LMFAO!!!!!!!!! What a douche bag.
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