One more point in support of the NFL against the regular refs

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one more point for everyone who thinks the nfl should end the lockout and may have amnesia about the quality of the regular refs.

if you assume it was a terrible call, and i agree, the replacement refs have to make the call in real time in a pile of people when it wasn't clear where tate's hands were and things were constantly changing in the pile. i agree it was a bad call, but it's much easier to make the call watching it on dvr 10 times in slow motion, rewinding and pausing the tv than when you get one chance under pressure live with the homes fans a few feet away.

which brings me to my point. the replay refs are regular officials. the lockout did not affect replay officials. these regular refs had the benefit of slow motion, different angles, pause, rewind and the comfort of an isolated room rather than being right next to the craziest fans in the league. and they fucked up the call.

if you were the nfl and you had shitty employees who think they are a much bigger part of the game than they are making demands, how quick would you be to give in to them.

ClubDirt · Answer

one more point for everyone who thinks the nfl should end the lockout and may have amnesia about the quality of the regular refs.

if you assume it was a terrible call, and i agree, the replacement refs have to make the call in real time in a pile of people when it wasn't clear where tate's hands were and things were constantly changing in the pile. i agree it was a bad call, but it's much easier to make the call watching it on dvr 10 times in slow motion, rewinding and pausing the tv than when you get one chance under pressure live with the homes fans a few feet away.

which brings me to my point. the replay refs are regular officials. the lockout did not affect replay officials. these regular refs had the benefit of slow motion, different angles, pause, rewind and the comfort of an isolated room rather than being right next to the craziest fans in the league. and they fucked up the call.

if you were the nfl and you had shitty employees who think they are a much bigger part of the game than they are making demands, how quick would you be to give in to them.

ClubDirt · Answer

fuck it, i&#x27;m going to try one more time.  everyone wants to pile on the replacement refs for everything they do wrong, that&#x27;s the new espn trend this season and a lot of it is deserved.  but for anyone who wants the regular refs back immediately for whatever their demands are, answer this:if you google anything about that game last night or watch 5 seconds of espn or any other idiot commentator, you will get endless articles and comments about how it was the worst call ever and how bad the replacement refs are.  why is there practically none of the same criticism of the regular refs in the replay booth who had much, much better circumstances to get the world call in history right and apparently fucked it up?

Trend12 · Answer

I agree. The regular Refs are the same.  They also mess up the game often too.

damonte · Answer

point well taken

tahoejoe2 · Answer

Here are the facts. The replay(regular official) cannot, I repeat, cannot reverse the call on the field concerning possession. That is the rule book, not the refs. The replay official can only rule if the ball was dropped or touched the ground before a catch was made. This has nothing to do with the replay official.

bunny651 · Answer

The difference is not some bad calls, but a string of them. Sure, regular refs make bad calls, too but not single reasonable person would agree to this extent. They are not familiar with the rules. They are neither physically nor mentally ready on this level. Are those even debatable??

allbees · Answer

tahoe is correct. The replay guy had no choice but to go with the call on the field.

what should have happened and what would have happened if this play would have been called by a regular NFL crew, is that the two officials would have conferred and then signaled together and not two separate signals.

shubox88 · Answer

slow your roll dirt...you need to get your facts right.

there are no "regular officials" in the booth. the replay decision has been made soley by the ref, in the white hat, under the hood on the field this year.

ClubDirt · Answer

fair enough i was looking for this and found something that said differently.  but i&#x27;m not sure that source is any good.

Europa · Answer

Music City "Miracle"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2I4_UP8_2MChargers/Steelers "mistake" -- https://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/steelers/2008-11-17-score-mistake_N.htm

ClubDirt · Answer

but then this was in vanzack&#x27;s thread, probably something similar to what i read.  That is not what the experts are saying all over the radio &#xD;&#xA;waves....retired refs etc.  Exact opposite is being said - the play &#xD;&#xA;could have been ruled an interception and reversed.and shubox, i also read that the replay officials are not affected by the lockout and are regular refs.  hard to find good information in this mess.  if only there was an all sports channel that provided valuable football information.

LVTruck · Answer

I get My Football Information @ ClubDirtSports.Org/Winning

allbees · Answer

This is from the NFL rule book. After reading this, I am not 100% sure either.

Reviewable Plays. The Replay System will cover the following play situations only:

(a) Plays governed by Sideline, Goal Line, End Zone, and End Line:

1. Scoring plays, including a runner breaking the plane of the goal line.

2. Pass complete/incomplete/intercepted at sideline, goal line, end zone, and end line.

3. Runner/receiver in or out of bounds.

4. Recovery of loose ball in or out of bounds.

(b) Passing plays:

1. Pass ruled complete/incomplete/intercepted in the field of play.

2. Touching of a forward pass by an ineligible receiver.

3. Touching of a forward pass by a defensive player.

4. Quarterback (Passer) forward pass or fumble.

5. Illegal forward pass beyond line of scrimmage.

6. Illegal forward pass after change of possession.

7. Forward or backward pass thrown from behind line of scrimmage.

OFFICIAL NFL PLAYING RULES 98(c) Other reviewable plays:

1. Runner ruled not down by defensive contact.

2. Runner ruled down by defensive contact when the recovery of a fumble by an opponent or a

teammate occurs in the action that happens following the fumble.

3. Ruling of incomplete pass when the recovery of a passer’s fumble by an opponent or a teammate

occurs in the action following the fumble.

4. Ruling of a loose ball out of bounds when it is recovered in the field of play by an opponent or a

teammate in the action after the ball hits the ground.

Note 1: If the ruling of down by contact or incomplete pass is changed, the ball belongs to the recovering

player at the spot of the recovery of the fumble, and any advance is nullified.

Note 2: If the Referee does not have indisputable visual evidence as to which player recovered the loose ball,

the ruling on the field will stand.

Note 3: This does not apply to complete/incomplete passes, or the ruling of forward progress.

5. Forward progress with respect to a first down.

6. Touching of a kick.

7. A field-goal or Try attempt that crosses below or above the crossbar, inside or outside the uprights

when it is lower than the top of the uprights, or touches anything.

8. Number of players on the field at the snap.

9. Illegal forward handoff.

Note: Non-reviewable plays include but are not limited to:

1. Status of the clock

2. Proper down

3. Penalty administration

4. Runner ruled down by defensive contact (not involving fumbles)

5. Forward progress not relating to first down or goal line

6. Recovery of a loose ball that does not involve a boundary line or the end zone.

7. Field-goal or Try attempts that cross above either upright without touching anything.

8. Inadvertent Whistle

ClubDirt · Answer

B, it seems like it would arguably be reviewable under (a)1, (a)2 and b(1) in your post.

ClubDirt · Answer

truck

Bluefin · Answer

My point was these rules should be reviewed and changed so that any play that affects the results of the game should be reviewable

ClubDirt · Answer

i&#x27;m going to bump this thread in honor of today&#x27;s referee performance, particular green bay and a few others.  the nfl fucked up letting these guys win.  no, not because they aren&#x27;t better than the replacement refs.  of course, they are much better.  but because they aren&#x27;t very good for trained, full time refs and they needed a kick in the ass and they didn&#x27;t get it.

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