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Born in Tyler Texas, attended high school in Whitehouse Texas then played at Texas Tech. I would have to think last weekend was the coldest football game he has ever played in. It will be much colder this Sunday evening and I would think this will be a whole new experience for him. He will go up against a man that is not only use to this kind of cold but whom actually excels in it. Brady has a higher winning percentage in this kind of temperature than he does overall which of course is really saying something. 
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But isn't Tommy only as good as the players that surround him?

I have to say, this seems like the weakest cast he has to work with in a long time.

Not saying they are going to lose, but something to consider when using trends to help make up your mind when placing your bet.

 
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Yup we've seen stronger Pats teams, I definitely agree. Just wondering out loud how this bitterly cold weather will affect a young quarterback that has never in his life played in it, and maybe never even been out in it at all. That's all.
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I know what to expect from Tommy. The thread is about what can we expect from the kid in this weather. Not saying I know. I'm saying I don't know. But it certainly must be accounted for. It's definitely a big fat question mark
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In certain situations against quality opponents, quite routinely actually I have seen Mahomes look confused and flustered when overwhelmed. I can't help but wonder if things start out poorly in this freezing cold, does he start to rush things and make mistakes with that freezing cold rock in his hand. In the Colts game he and his team started fast and hot and because of that everything flowed as they were three touchdowns up before we could get through 2 beers. What happens in this freezing cold if things to go his way right away. Just wondering aloud.
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What happens in this freezing cold if things don't go his way right away? 
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Mahomes would have been practicing all week (if not for a couple of weeks) in freezing cold temperatures to get his body acclimatized to what is going to occur this week.
Why do people think he's been in doors and only on game day will he step out into the cold?

The weather will favor Patriots as it will only slow down the Chiefs offense slightly but other than that, Mahomes will ball out as he has done all year and watch him run in a touchdown or two himself.
 
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Bobby, practice is not a full game and today it was 32 at the stadium, sunday it will be 16. 32 does not acclimate you to 16, big drop off in sub zero temps there, but yes he is getting a little more use to the cold, he has to, and he looked good last weekend although I must say he looked much crisper earlier in the game and did seem to fade a bit as the game went on. It will not really drop until Sunday when it drops down 12-14 digits and becomes bone chilling cold. He will not be in that until Sunday when he plays.
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Guys...Mahomes just played last weeks playoff game in sub freezing temperatures....an_lightan_lightan_light

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

Bobby, practice is not a full game and today it was 32 at the stadium, sunday it will be 16. 32 does not acclimate you to 16, big drop off in sub zero temps there, but yes he is getting a little more use to the cold, he has to, and he looked good last weekend although I must say he looked much crisper earlier in the game and did seem to fade a bit as the game went on. It will not really drop until Sunday when it drops down 12-14 digits and becomes bone chilling cold. He will not be in that until Sunday when he plays.

wouldn't they be doing everything in their powers to keep them use to the cold?
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Patriots not the same team on the road - they dlll get humiliated on Sunday 

 
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Will I meant 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Cooler999:

But isn't Tommy only as good as the players that surround him?

I have to say, this seems like the weakest cast he has to work with in a long time.

Not saying they are going to lose, but something to consider when using trends to help make up your mind when placing your bet.


Actually he makes all the players around him good no matter who they are.......that's what's scary.
 
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Actually he makes all the players around him good no matter who they are.......that's what's scary.

Exactly! 

Brady for the most part hasn't been working with good receiving cores since Moss left. He's just that good, he's the best ever.
 
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It’s what’s in your chest that matters. Mahomes on adrenaline and youth alone will be hot as hell. Worry about check down tommy and his 41 year old body after KC d line knocks him down a few times.
 
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I just checked the average high temperature in Kansas City during January.  It is just 39 degrees.  I am POSITIVE that most of the KC players will manage just fine.  They have adapted to cold weather by now.

Dropping the two OLD January home playoff games for KC from 2004 and 2011, they are 1-2 SU and ATS in the three recent home playoff games, one each in 2017, 2018, and 2019.  They did win that game last week which featured a top-notch QB defeating another top-notch QB.

Going back to 2017 for NE, they only played one road game on grass in January, so I added December.  NE was 2-3 SU and ATS on the road grass.

I don't see any decisive ACTUAL advantage for either team because of the cold weather.  However, I prefer to fade what I like to call Zombie GroupThink:  brain-dead sports bettors who wager on the first (and only) thing that pops into their alleged minds.

I imagine that thousands of bettors think "GOAT + cold weather = a LOCK."  The NFL probably features a greater percentage of casual bettors than any other, and I don't see sportbooks being bankrupted by Joe Public motivated by ZGT.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NinjaNight:


Exactly! 

Brady for the most part hasn't been working with good receiving cores since Moss left. He's just that good, he's the best ever.

Brady on the Road post season 3 wins 4 loses
Mark Sanchez has more playoff road wins than Brady despite less chances 

Brady  in 2 Super Bowls  loses vs the Giants 0 -13 -1 INT s on balls 20 yards or over  Randy Moss was there for 1 

3 Patriot Super Bowl wins   Brady  5 INTS including a pick 6 
1 Patriot super bowl win Brady 120 yards passing 

Patriots without Brady 14-5  with 3 first time starters 

Brady vs the chargers last Sunday 26 of the 33 passes he completed were at or behind line of scrimmage 

The patriots are the easiest team to play QB on , it requires high school level  skill 

That's why the Patriots  14 -5  with 3 QB s  with no NFL experience ,  two never  even played division 1 college football .

Yea he's the best alright  lol  he a stiff who wouldn't win a game anywhere other than where he is  
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

Born in Tyler Texas, attended high school in Whitehouse Texas then played at Texas Tech. I would have to think last weekend was the coldest football game he has ever played in. It will be much colder this Sunday evening and I would think this will be a whole new experience for him. He will go up against a man that is not only use to this kind of cold but whom actually excels in it. Brady has a higher winning percentage in this kind of temperature than he does overall which of course is really saying something. 

Brady has played in only 1 game with temperature 10 f or under his QB rating  was 73   his completion percentage slightly over 50%  

So he played 1 more game than Mahomes and wasn't very good  he was 26 years old at that time now he's going on 42 

The weather has changed now they are saying 20's  with practically no wind 
 
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Weather shouldn't be a factor anymore.  Won't even be that cold.

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Quote Originally Posted by Silverstones:

Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

Born in Tyler Texas, attended high school in Whitehouse Texas then played at Texas Tech. I would have to think last weekend was the coldest football game he has ever played in. It will be much colder this Sunday evening and I would think this will be a whole new experience for him. He will go up against a man that is not only use to this kind of cold but whom actually excels in it. Brady has a higher winning percentage in this kind of temperature than he does overall which of course is really saying something. 
Brady has played in only 1 game with temperature 10 f or under his QB rating  was 73   his completion percentage slightly over 50%  So he played 1 more game than Mahomes and wasn't very good  he was 26 years old at that time now he's going on 42 The weather has changed now they are saying 20's  with practically no wind

Please link where it forecasts in 20's for kickoff. A site I use says exactly 16 and they have been extremely accurate all season. As for those stats in the cold, that might be the dumbest thing I ever read lol. All qb stats drop off drastically in those kind of temps however in those cold games he performs better than his opposing counterpart and has gotten the win which is the only thing that matters. But the post was about Mahomes and just speculating about how he will handle the rock in that kind of cold. You seem disturbingly obsessed with Tom Brady.

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My site has now adjusted to 19 for kickoff so it is moving up. I guess destiny might just be on the side of the kid after all.

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Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

I know what to expect from Tommy. The thread is about what can we expect from the kid in this weather. Not saying I know. I'm saying I don't know. But it certainly must be accounted for. It's definitely a big fat question mark
This is something that EVERY bettor should be thinking about - there are a few other question marks as well.

 

This is why IMNSHO this game should be a "throw a few bucks for interest" as this weather and experience situation is tough to account for.

 

Yet so many bettors will throw 5X their average bet on this game that has no clear advantage.

 

Everyone is different but look at the threads concerning this game. Look at the concerns and ?s concerning this game. Are there those who think this game will be a slam dunk blowout for the team they've been backing since the line came out? Probably. Will half of them win their bets? Absolutely.

 

I'm not throwing hard earned money on what is in my opinion a coin toss.  Maybe a small 3 team teaser NE +13, KC +7 and UN 65.5 for a half unit. That'll give me something to yell about come kick off.

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So question here: Do the Chiefs ever practice outside? When kickoff approaches, will Mahomes be surprised by the cold weather? 

For me, I’m going to look at this from an age perspective and how the body works when one gets older. Tom is over 40 years old. For a qb, that’s ancient. Yes, he takes very good care of his body and yes, the Patriots are a team that likes to practice in the elements. Ok.....Mahomes, in his early 20s prolly doesn’t need as much time to get warmed up and his body is most likely able to adjust to the events a bit easier considering the 15+ year age difference. 

I guess my point is this.....of course data will show Brady as the more successful qb. He’s been in the league for 20 years but to think the weather is going to affect Mahomes, one of the younger players on the field Sunday....I don’t know if I’d put too much emphasis on that. It comes down to receivers catching the ball and running backs taking care of the ball. Personally, I don’t think the weather will affect Mahomes any more than Brady. I’m in my mid 30s and I can tell you, takong a hit at that age in cold weather is a lot more damaging as opposed to being in my early 20s back in the day. Point: Mahomes and Brady will get hit but if I were to bank on a player not getting up from a hit or being more banged up, obviously the guy 40+ is gonna have a bit more issues there. This is common sense. The weather will be frigid but I don’t think it gives any team that much more of an advantage. My opinion.
 
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PH looked pretty good in the snow last week...but Brady is capable of controlling a game.  It can go either way.  Until proven otherwise, I'm going with Brady and the points.

 
 
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Plus...revised forecast says weather is better this Sunday than last week in KC.

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