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@Biscuiteater1
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#27
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@jtoler No sir. He plays 1 position but has an additional skill at it. But the new OC and head coach and even LJ say they are going to cut back on. Now you are going to play TO his weakness, which is drop-back reading and passing first. If they are not careful he will start to force passes knowing he is expected to pass. I hope not. But we will see. Yes. I picked a guy with a similar record and same situation win the playoffs. That team also decided that he gave them the best chance to win in the playoffs at that time. He is not better or worse stats-wise and could have won the MVP year that LJ did if he had played the full year. But it is more fair than comparing him to Mahomes or Rodgers that flat-out are better at all passing stats. He is not an elite passer under pressure and in pressure situations. He HAS to be able to use his running skills. BUT what ELSE is burned into everyone's psyche is that he is injury prone and gets hurt while running. BOTH of those are wrong as I have pointed out. BUT now they are being pressured to change LJ's game up because of something that is not entirely true. This is likely to backfire. My point is IF they always knew they were going to do this then and argument could have been made to NOT pay him. BUT if not then they SHOULD pay him because then he gives them the best chance to win. He needs a LOT more help than Herbert or Mahomes or Burrow does on passing AND reading defenses. They are all young QBs and WAY better pure passers that read defenses better than LJ does. I whole-heartedly believe he needs classroom work and a dedicated QB coach. For example, if he were in KC I think he gets that help and development from Reid. Again, I think he is a proven winner AND they should pay him. But they better be careful changing his playing style.
But the new OC and head coach and even LJ say they are going to cut back on. Now you are going to play TO his weakness, which is drop-back reading and passing first. we've been over this but keep repeating the same thing. passing is not a weakness for jack if so prove it, if he can't read defenses prove it. if you watch any 5 minute game highlights you can see him going through progressions before making passes. maybe needs to get better pre snap, maybe. if I showed you numbers of 37-43 442 yds 4 td 0 int and told you that qb came back to win in OT down 19 in the 3rd qtr in an nfl game I bet youd say looks impressive. if I told you that same qb can't read defenses youd say no way and Id say way dude, but you'd never believe me and you'd be correct because it's asinine to think one could have a game passing like that and be clueless in the pocket. if I went further and said they made that guy who can't read defenses the highest paid player in nfl history you'd ignore anything else Id have to say.
@jtoler No sir. He plays 1 position but has an additional skill at it. But the new OC and head coach and even LJ say they are going to cut back on. Now you are going to play TO his weakness, which is drop-back reading and passing first. If they are not careful he will start to force passes knowing he is expected to pass. I hope not. But we will see. Yes. I picked a guy with a similar record and same situation win the playoffs. That team also decided that he gave them the best chance to win in the playoffs at that time. He is not better or worse stats-wise and could have won the MVP year that LJ did if he had played the full year. But it is more fair than comparing him to Mahomes or Rodgers that flat-out are better at all passing stats. He is not an elite passer under pressure and in pressure situations. He HAS to be able to use his running skills. BUT what ELSE is burned into everyone's psyche is that he is injury prone and gets hurt while running. BOTH of those are wrong as I have pointed out. BUT now they are being pressured to change LJ's game up because of something that is not entirely true. This is likely to backfire. My point is IF they always knew they were going to do this then and argument could have been made to NOT pay him. BUT if not then they SHOULD pay him because then he gives them the best chance to win. He needs a LOT more help than Herbert or Mahomes or Burrow does on passing AND reading defenses. They are all young QBs and WAY better pure passers that read defenses better than LJ does. I whole-heartedly believe he needs classroom work and a dedicated QB coach. For example, if he were in KC I think he gets that help and development from Reid. Again, I think he is a proven winner AND they should pay him. But they better be careful changing his playing style.
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My point is IF you limit his running and rely solely, or a lot more on him simply throwing IT will show a lot more. It is not to say he is in the Fields category. BUT his passing is NOT on the level of Mahomes, Rodgers, Burrow or Herbert, etc. Certainly his defensive reading is not on their level OR many other QBs. BUT those QBs do NOT have his other skillset.
I am simply saying THAT is part of the reason some folks did NOT want the Ravens to sign him.
You asked that question. That was what I was answering -- even though I am NOT one of those people.
BUT IF you want to compare his numbers with a better passing QB, I can do that; if you want to compare him with a better pressure passing QB, I can do that.
BUT that has nothing to do with my point. My point is they are about to change him from what he does better than maybe any QB in history to a much lower-level passing QB.
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@jtoler
Also, I am not in the business of looking at analyzing a stand-alone game. I could do that if you really liked. The way I do it is over a period of time. You will notice that teams now play him differently than they did when he first cam into the league. But if you look at his seasons, you will see vastly different numbers, especially in pressure situations or critical junctures since he had his MVP year. I am not looking for him to every be Brady or Brees in those times but I would want to see improvement. Instead, I have seen a drop-off in those situations.
That is why I think they need a OC or QB coach to work on that part of his game. Maybe they plan to do that as they change the offense. We shall see.
I, for one, am rooting for him to succeed for many reasons.
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One thing i certainly hope to see a change in is the time it takes for the offense to get set.Way too many times they would not get into and or break the huddle and get into formation in a timely manner.As far as his passing acumen i have seen 99% (was taking a leak or getting a sandwich & beer the other 1%) of Ravens offensive plays and i'm of the opinion that there is plenty of room for improvement but i have confidence that he most assuredly can get the job done.I'm not to fond of futures but if i were,@ 20-1 or more the Ravens to win the SB is not that bad of a prop.
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:
One thing i certainly hope to see a change in is the time it takes for the offense to get set.Way too many times they would not get into and or break the huddle and get into formation in a timely manner.As far as his passing acumen i have seen 99% (was taking a leak or getting a sandwich & beer the other 1%) of Ravens offensive plays and i'm of the opinion that there is plenty of room for improvement but i have confidence that he most assuredly can get the job done.I'm not to fond of futures but if i were,@ 20-1 or more the Ravens to win the SB is not that bad of a prop.
One thing i certainly hope to see a change in is the time it takes for the offense to get set.Way too many times they would not get into and or break the huddle and get into formation in a timely manner.As far as his passing acumen i have seen 99% (was taking a leak or getting a sandwich & beer the other 1%) of Ravens offensive plays and i'm of the opinion that there is plenty of room for improvement but i have confidence that he most assuredly can get the job done.I'm not to fond of futures but if i were,@ 20-1 or more the Ravens to win the SB is not that bad of a prop.
Even better when it was 35-1 during all the Lamar contract drama when people said he was going to be a Falcon or a Jet or even Commanders?? 
Sip on that plus money honey!
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20-1 isn’t that bad. Imagine if you put him out there in that Warren Moon run and shoot offense with 4 WR sets. Ok, minimal protection. Who catches him? Your DE? Lol, unlikely.
So fine, you play nickel? Still at a CB and pass rusher disadvantage, same goes for Dollar.
Fine, you play dime. Your MLB better be as fast as Lamar, or else you’re getting torched.
OK, okay quarters and they just run the ball 2/3rds of the time with success.
Just spitballing from a defensive standpoint. If you make Lamar a run and shoot QB, who covers him after the first two reads?
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The Miami Dolphins showed the rest of the league how to beat LJ - just put pressure on him every single play. They blitzed him a crazy amount of times in their win over BAL in 2021, and LJ looked like a deer in headlights. Since then, teams tend to blitz BAL more that normal, and LJ just hasn't been able to overcome it when it counts.
So, if I'm the BAL OC, and I'm going to install an offense where LJ spends more time in the pocket, I think they need to provide him with some sort of release valve when he starts feeling pressure. In my mind, the easiest and best way to do this would be to use a RB that is a great pass catcher and a decent blocker. You stick the RB back there, let him put a quick block on anyone who gets through the line, and then release him into the flat to catch a ball if LJ can't find any open targets or comes under blitz pressure. If you consistently give LJ peace of mind that the RB is going to be there to bail him out, it could change LJ's whole approach to the game - he'd be able to have the option to use his arm to escape pressure, instead of having to rely on his legs all the time.
God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@jtoler Also, I am not in the business of looking at analyzing a stand-alone game. I could do that if you really liked. The way I do it is over a period of time. You will notice that teams now play him differently than they did when he first cam into the league. But if you look at his seasons, you will see vastly different numbers, especially in pressure situations or critical junctures since he had his MVP year. I am not looking for him to every be Brady or Brees in those times but I would want to see improvement. Instead, I have seen a drop-off in those situations. That is why I think they need a OC or QB coach to work on that part of his game. Maybe they plan to do that as they change the offense. We shall see. I, for one, am rooting for him to succeed for many reasons.
But if you look at his seasons, you will see vastly different numbers, especially in pressure situations or critical junctures since he had his MVP year. youre saying what you expect of him since youre not fond of his passing but where is the proof? Ill prove you wrong. in jack's first 2 seasons combined he had 3 total game winning drives 2018-2019 mvp yr was 2019. since 2019 the last 3 seasons he's had 7 game winning drives, 6 of those were 4th qtr comebacks and we know he only played 12 games in each of the last 2 seasons.so he's gotten better in pressure situations. in 2021 in 12 games he had 4 game winning drives all were 4th qtr comebacks thats a 3rd of the games he played. I think we see a hot start from jack this year like the last 2 years, how long it's maintained we shall see. by week 8 Ill be interested to see who's in the early mvp talks.
@jtoler Also, I am not in the business of looking at analyzing a stand-alone game. I could do that if you really liked. The way I do it is over a period of time. You will notice that teams now play him differently than they did when he first cam into the league. But if you look at his seasons, you will see vastly different numbers, especially in pressure situations or critical junctures since he had his MVP year. I am not looking for him to every be Brady or Brees in those times but I would want to see improvement. Instead, I have seen a drop-off in those situations. That is why I think they need a OC or QB coach to work on that part of his game. Maybe they plan to do that as they change the offense. We shall see. I, for one, am rooting for him to succeed for many reasons.
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Quote Originally Posted by bluecompass:
The Miami Dolphins showed the rest of the league how to beat LJ - just put pressure on him every single play. They blitzed him a crazy amount of times in their win over BAL in 2021, and LJ looked like a deer in headlights. Since then, teams tend to blitz BAL more that normal, and LJ just hasn't been able to overcome it when it counts. So, if I'm the BAL OC, and I'm going to install an offense where LJ spends more time in the pocket, I think they need to provide him with some sort of release valve when he starts feeling pressure. In my mind, the easiest and best way to do this would be to use a RB that is a great pass catcher and a decent blocker. You stick the RB back there, let him put a quick block on anyone who gets through the line, and then release him into the flat to catch a ball if LJ can't find any open targets or comes under blitz pressure. If you consistently give LJ peace of mind that the RB is going to be there to bail him out, it could change LJ's whole approach to the game - he'd be able to have the option to use his arm to escape pressure, instead of having to rely on his legs all the time.
that was just flores throwing caution to the wind remember the time they played before that jack beat them 59-10 had 324 yds on only 17 completions and had 5 tds. mcdaniel tried the same zero blitz last yr and jack was torching their ass 35-14 before the defense fell apart.
The Miami Dolphins showed the rest of the league how to beat LJ - just put pressure on him every single play. They blitzed him a crazy amount of times in their win over BAL in 2021, and LJ looked like a deer in headlights. Since then, teams tend to blitz BAL more that normal, and LJ just hasn't been able to overcome it when it counts. So, if I'm the BAL OC, and I'm going to install an offense where LJ spends more time in the pocket, I think they need to provide him with some sort of release valve when he starts feeling pressure. In my mind, the easiest and best way to do this would be to use a RB that is a great pass catcher and a decent blocker. You stick the RB back there, let him put a quick block on anyone who gets through the line, and then release him into the flat to catch a ball if LJ can't find any open targets or comes under blitz pressure. If you consistently give LJ peace of mind that the RB is going to be there to bail him out, it could change LJ's whole approach to the game - he'd be able to have the option to use his arm to escape pressure, instead of having to rely on his legs all the time.
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Quote Originally Posted by jtoler:
Quote Originally Posted by bluecompass: The Miami Dolphins showed the rest of the league how to beat LJ - just put pressure on him every single play. They blitzed him a crazy amount of times in their win over BAL in 2021, and LJ looked like a deer in headlights. Since then, teams tend to blitz BAL more that normal, and LJ just hasn't been able to overcome it when it counts. So, if I'm the BAL OC, and I'm going to install an offense where LJ spends more time in the pocket, I think they need to provide him with some sort of release valve when he starts feeling pressure. In my mind, the easiest and best way to do this would be to use a RB that is a great pass catcher and a decent blocker. You stick the RB back there, let him put a quick block on anyone who gets through the line, and then release him into the flat to catch a ball if LJ can't find any open targets or comes under blitz pressure. If you consistently give LJ peace of mind that the RB is going to be there to bail him out, it could change LJ's whole approach to the game - he'd be able to have the option to use his arm to escape pressure, instead of having to rely on his legs all the time.that was just flores throwing caution to the wind remember the time they played before that jack beat them 59-10 had 324 yds on only 17 completions and had 5 tds. mcdaniel tried the same zero blitz last yr and jack was torching their ass 35-14 before the defense fell apart.
Quote Originally Posted by bluecompass: The Miami Dolphins showed the rest of the league how to beat LJ - just put pressure on him every single play. They blitzed him a crazy amount of times in their win over BAL in 2021, and LJ looked like a deer in headlights. Since then, teams tend to blitz BAL more that normal, and LJ just hasn't been able to overcome it when it counts. So, if I'm the BAL OC, and I'm going to install an offense where LJ spends more time in the pocket, I think they need to provide him with some sort of release valve when he starts feeling pressure. In my mind, the easiest and best way to do this would be to use a RB that is a great pass catcher and a decent blocker. You stick the RB back there, let him put a quick block on anyone who gets through the line, and then release him into the flat to catch a ball if LJ can't find any open targets or comes under blitz pressure. If you consistently give LJ peace of mind that the RB is going to be there to bail him out, it could change LJ's whole approach to the game - he'd be able to have the option to use his arm to escape pressure, instead of having to rely on his legs all the time.that was just flores throwing caution to the wind remember the time they played before that jack beat them 59-10 had 324 yds on only 17 completions and had 5 tds. mcdaniel tried the same zero blitz last yr and jack was torching their ass 35-14 before the defense fell apart.
If the play design is correct, one can really take advantage of OLBs covering four WR sets. Ravens also use Andrews like a WR, that dude is a beast.
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@jtoler
He has NOT gotten better in pressure situations with his passing. Whether it is Cover 3 or just mesh rushing technique by the defense or over-covering the TEs he relies on so much -- but, with some of these techniques various teams have learned to defend him much better. There are examples of it from even mediocre defenses. Look at how well Cleveland has done with the mesh-rushing; look at how well the Raiders did while using Cover 3 the entire game, basically.
This is NOT to say he cannot win passing. You are missing my point -- his passing is NOT elite but it is good. He can win passing but NOT passing alone. You cannot take the rushing away from him, that is a huge part of what makes him what he is. He is a winner BUT while using his running as a compliment to his passing. His running is elite.
I do not put much stock on comeback wins as a gauge of how good a QB is -- never have. My retort is always do not fall behind. to start with. Why are you always trying to come back? Like the example you listed -- he was behind and had to do all of that work in the second half and OT to come from behind. All kinds of mediocre QBs have a lot of comeback wins. Sure, it shows the ability to do it if necessary; but it is not a gauge of whether a QB is elite or not.
Absolutely his passing numbers have fallen off from his MVP year -- this is not hard to look up.
You can also find his numbers in pressure situations and in situational spots, like in one-score games, etc. They are not as good as they were.
But they can coach those things. They need to worry more about that part -- improve his passing and defensive-reading. Do NOT worry as much about his running -- that is NOT where he has been getting injured.
If you cannot find the numbers and are really interested, I can put them in here for you. That will tell you where he needs coaching and development. This is exactly the same thing that had to happen with, say, Cunningham later in his career -- and it worked; many others did NOT get that coaching and it did not work.
Again, I have to keep prefacing this with saying I am pro-LJ not anti-LJ.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
@jtoler He has NOT gotten better in pressure situations with his passing. Whether it is Cover 3 or just mesh rushing technique by the defense or over-covering the TEs he relies on so much -- but, with some of these techniques various teams have learned to defend him much better. There are examples of it from even mediocre defenses. Look at how well Cleveland has done with the mesh-rushing; look at how well the Raiders did while using Cover 3 the entire game, basically. This is NOT to say he cannot win passing. You are missing my point -- his passing is NOT elite but it is good. He can win passing but NOT passing alone. You cannot take the rushing away from him, that is a huge part of what makes him what he is. He is a winner BUT while using his running as a compliment to his passing. His running is elite. I do not put much stock on comeback wins as a gauge of how good a QB is -- never have. My retort is always do not fall behind. to start with. Why are you always trying to come back? Like the example you listed -- he was behind and had to do all of that work in the second half and OT to come from behind. All kinds of mediocre QBs have a lot of comeback wins. Sure, it shows the ability to do it if necessary; but it is not a gauge of whether a QB is elite or not. Absolutely his passing numbers have fallen off from his MVP year -- this is not hard to look up. You can also find his numbers in pressure situations and in situational spots, like in one-score games, etc. They are not as good as they were. But they can coach those things. They need to worry more about that part -- improve his passing and defensive-reading. Do NOT worry as much about his running -- that is NOT where he has been getting injured. If you cannot find the numbers and are really interested, I can put them in here for you. That will tell you where he needs coaching and development. This is exactly the same thing that had to happen with, say, Cunningham later in his career -- and it worked; many others did NOT get that coaching and it did not work. Again, I have to keep prefacing this with saying I am pro-LJ not anti-LJ.
I do not put much stock on comeback wins as a gauge of how good a QB is -- never have. Ok fair enough. You can also find his numbers in pressure situations and in situational spots, like in one-score games, etc. wtf. you give no credit for comeback wins(even though jack doesnt play defense), but one score games(whatever that means) is the ultimate gauge of a pressure situation? so if jack is down a score( a one-score game) and comes back in that one-score situation then it means nothing? I never said jack was the best qb ever only that the level of disdain is unwarranted. they all could get better. I remember what josh allen looked like before jordan palmer got a hold of him, allen ranked last for 2 consecutive seasons in completion percentage. I remember what joe burrow looked like before wayne bratton and tom house(an mlb pitcher) got a hold of him, he was mediocre, a game manager, and not on any9one's draft board maybe jack needs a guy like those to work with getting him better despite his drawbacks he's still managed to do what 90% of other qbs have not been able to.
@jtoler He has NOT gotten better in pressure situations with his passing. Whether it is Cover 3 or just mesh rushing technique by the defense or over-covering the TEs he relies on so much -- but, with some of these techniques various teams have learned to defend him much better. There are examples of it from even mediocre defenses. Look at how well Cleveland has done with the mesh-rushing; look at how well the Raiders did while using Cover 3 the entire game, basically. This is NOT to say he cannot win passing. You are missing my point -- his passing is NOT elite but it is good. He can win passing but NOT passing alone. You cannot take the rushing away from him, that is a huge part of what makes him what he is. He is a winner BUT while using his running as a compliment to his passing. His running is elite. I do not put much stock on comeback wins as a gauge of how good a QB is -- never have. My retort is always do not fall behind. to start with. Why are you always trying to come back? Like the example you listed -- he was behind and had to do all of that work in the second half and OT to come from behind. All kinds of mediocre QBs have a lot of comeback wins. Sure, it shows the ability to do it if necessary; but it is not a gauge of whether a QB is elite or not. Absolutely his passing numbers have fallen off from his MVP year -- this is not hard to look up. You can also find his numbers in pressure situations and in situational spots, like in one-score games, etc. They are not as good as they were. But they can coach those things. They need to worry more about that part -- improve his passing and defensive-reading. Do NOT worry as much about his running -- that is NOT where he has been getting injured. If you cannot find the numbers and are really interested, I can put them in here for you. That will tell you where he needs coaching and development. This is exactly the same thing that had to happen with, say, Cunningham later in his career -- and it worked; many others did NOT get that coaching and it did not work. Again, I have to keep prefacing this with saying I am pro-LJ not anti-LJ.
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No sir. You are missing my point. It is nice that he can come back. But lots of QBs do. The NFL games are a lot of ebb and flow.
For example, compare how many comeback wins he has versus some other random QBs.
I could very easily make the argument that he does not have enough comeback wins — because he is always ahead more.
So, no sir. That is a nice statistic they can post on TV. But is not a statistic I use in evaluating QBs, or use in determining if they are elite or not.
If the other team gets the ball and scored a FG first. Then you beat them 28-3. Do you really consider that a comeback win, etc.
Then folks say 4th quarter comebacks. Does that really matter that much? The NFL is such a parity league now. Was it a 48-45 shootout and they just happened to have the ball last? Or was it 17-14 on a last second FG? Did they come back from 2 TDs down? Those are all important things.
All comebacks are NOT equal.
But if you look at how many times QBs are in pressure situations and do NOT come from behind and win — is that important also?
Etc., etc.
Not taking that away from him. It is nice to be able to do that. But you have to scrutinize the situation.
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Yes. One score games matter. A QBs performance in those matter a lot. Especially as more and more NFL games tend to be that.
Nowadays it is usually considered a +/- 8 point game situation.
For example, I can make a good case that it is equally important to be able to close out those games as it is to comeback in them.
There are some QBs that perform way better than others in those situations.
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I agree with you on Allen. I disagree on Burrow.
Allen is still trying overrated to me. A level below LJ right now — to me.
Burrow has never been mediocre for his level of experience at any time since he came into the league.
Absolutely, they both have been coached up. That was my point when I said if LJ had been in KC with Reid.
I just have not seen the coaching at BLT give him that. I have doubts that the new OC and scheme will do it either.
But time will tell and very quickly.
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You are very correct. He has managed to do more than 90% of other QBs. I would even say, maybe 95%.
But teams have started to play him very differently and better than they did before. That was my whole point on his numbers not being what they were. Maybe those earlier numbers set the expectations too high.
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:
Balty running game dependent of course with some help from O-line will be just fine with a fully recovered JK Dobbins, Gus Edwards and Justice Hill should be just fine, throw in undrafted rookie Keaton Mitchell out of E.Car.We are expecting a healthy Bateman this year and the addition of 1st round pick Zay Flowers pick up of OBJ coupled with Mark Andrews and hopefully Will Likely Ravens have some receivers for new OC who is much less run oriented than Greg Roman.The writing is on the wall,you can bet your boots there will be far fewer designated LJ run plays called.
Balty running game dependent of course with some help from O-line will be just fine with a fully recovered JK Dobbins, Gus Edwards and Justice Hill should be just fine, throw in undrafted rookie Keaton Mitchell out of E.Car.We are expecting a healthy Bateman this year and the addition of 1st round pick Zay Flowers pick up of OBJ coupled with Mark Andrews and hopefully Will Likely Ravens have some receivers for new OC who is much less run oriented than Greg Roman.The writing is on the wall,you can bet your boots there will be far fewer designated LJ run plays called.
Honest question, is this good or bad?
If I close my eyes and dream of a Ravens offense with less running, and no qb runs, but Lamar playing from the pocket, I think they call this a nightmare.
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I never said NO designed runs, but this will be the 1st time in 3 years that they will have 3 very capable rb's in the back field and at least 3 legit receivers.They will be no need to call his # 8 - 12 times a game. I say maybe 4 and he will take off on his own as he see's fit also. Might end up being the toughest division in football. So to answer the question, yes i think we can be better off.
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Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:
I agree with you on Allen. I disagree on Burrow. Allen is still trying overrated to me. A level below LJ right now — to me. Burrow has never been mediocre for his level of experience at any time since he came into the league. Absolutely, they both have been coached up. That was my point when I said if LJ had been in KC with Reid. I just have not seen the coaching at BLT give him that. I have doubts that the new OC and scheme will do it either. But time will tell and very quickly.
I was referring to college. after he transferred to lsu that first year at lsu he was still nothing for the most part then the complete change/makeover/reinvention for his senior year. two totally different qbs, night and day, an overnight sensation I remember saying Id never seen anything like it in my life to go from what he was junior season to senior year it was like someone else stepped inside his skin, threw the most beautiful balls all of a sudden, everything on time, just almost perfect. I remember junior year going into the bama game where I picked bama to humiliate lsu. I said this about a 7-1 lsu team solely because of the lack of qb play out of burrow. bama wins @ lsu 29-0. the following year the wonder boy is revealed where he came from who knows. jack meets burrow in week 2, dont blink.
I agree with you on Allen. I disagree on Burrow. Allen is still trying overrated to me. A level below LJ right now — to me. Burrow has never been mediocre for his level of experience at any time since he came into the league. Absolutely, they both have been coached up. That was my point when I said if LJ had been in KC with Reid. I just have not seen the coaching at BLT give him that. I have doubts that the new OC and scheme will do it either. But time will tell and very quickly.
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@jtoler
Quote Originally Posted by jtoler:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: I agree with you on Allen. I disagree on Burrow. Allen is still trying overrated to me. A level below LJ right now — to me. Burrow has never been mediocre for his level of experience at any time since he came into the league. Absolutely, they both have been coached up. That was my point when I said if LJ had been in KC with Reid. I just have not seen the coaching at BLT give him that. I have doubts that the new OC and scheme will do it either. But time will tell and very quickly.I was referring to college. after he transferred to lsu that first year at lsu he was still nothing for the most part then the complete change/makeover/reinvention for his senior year. two totally different qbs, night and day, an overnight sensation I remember saying Id never seen anything like it in my life to go from what he was junior season to senior year it was like someone else stepped inside his skin, threw the most beautiful balls all of a sudden, everything on time, just almost perfect. I remember junior year going into the bama game where I picked bama to humiliate lsu. I said this about a 7-1 lsu team solely because of the lack of qb play out of burrow. bama wins @ lsu 29-0. the following year the wonder boy is revealed where he came from who knows. jack meets burrow in week 2, dont blink.
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: I agree with you on Allen. I disagree on Burrow. Allen is still trying overrated to me. A level below LJ right now — to me. Burrow has never been mediocre for his level of experience at any time since he came into the league. Absolutely, they both have been coached up. That was my point when I said if LJ had been in KC with Reid. I just have not seen the coaching at BLT give him that. I have doubts that the new OC and scheme will do it either. But time will tell and very quickly.I was referring to college. after he transferred to lsu that first year at lsu he was still nothing for the most part then the complete change/makeover/reinvention for his senior year. two totally different qbs, night and day, an overnight sensation I remember saying Id never seen anything like it in my life to go from what he was junior season to senior year it was like someone else stepped inside his skin, threw the most beautiful balls all of a sudden, everything on time, just almost perfect. I remember junior year going into the bama game where I picked bama to humiliate lsu. I said this about a 7-1 lsu team solely because of the lack of qb play out of burrow. bama wins @ lsu 29-0. the following year the wonder boy is revealed where he came from who knows. jack meets burrow in week 2, dont blink.
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The Bengals shot their load-two years ago and blew the Superbowl in the second half after leading by 10 in the 3rd quarter and then last year lost in a close conference game to KC on a silly penalty. Their window is closing and their luck will not hold. They lost several defensive starters and a good running back to free agency.
Burrow's 5th year option at 29.5 million will begin to cut into the kind of money that a team needs to stay competitive...it works for Mahomes and KC but not a model that will work for others IMO. Wait til he signs for 50 million plus. 
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