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    Ravens up seven go for two ?

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    shrewdie
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2024 - 11:22 PM ET #1

    Why would you do that?

     

    I was on over 46.5 in game bet and I was fuming

     

    got lucky with the multiple penalties late on to win the bet

     

    but why would u do that??

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Why would you do that?

     

    I was on over 46.5 in game bet and I was fuming

     

    got lucky with the multiple penalties late on to win the bet

     

    but why would u do that??

     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2024 - 11:24 PM ET #2

    @shrewdie

     Just regular NFL coaching. Happens multiple times a week. 

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    @shrewdie

     Just regular NFL coaching. Happens multiple times a week. 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2024 - 11:28 PM ET #3

    To make it a 2 score game and out of reach.  

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    To make it a 2 score game and out of reach.  

     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2024 - 11:33 PM ET #4

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    risk outweighs reward plenty of time left anyway 

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    @meknowno

     

    risk outweighs reward plenty of time left anyway 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2024 - 11:39 PM ET #5

    That's the wrong play all day long. You kick the extra point and go up 8. There's no debate.

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    That's the wrong play all day long. You kick the extra point and go up 8. There's no debate.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2024 - 11:42 PM ET #6

    It’s the Harbough game 

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    It’s the Harbough game 

     
    brn2loslive2win
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    Posted: Nov. 25, 2024 - 11:45 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by legguy69:

    That's the wrong play all day long. You kick the extra point and go up 8. There's no debate.

    zero debate 

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    Quote Originally Posted by legguy69:

    That's the wrong play all day long. You kick the extra point and go up 8. There's no debate.

    zero debate 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 2:37 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97:

    @meknowno   risk outweighs reward plenty of time left anyway

    Actually it's the opposite.  The risk of going from 8 to 7 is neglible, COMPARED to the reward of a 2-possession game in the 4th Q.  Same as if they were up 10 and tried to push to 12. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97:

    @meknowno   risk outweighs reward plenty of time left anyway

    Actually it's the opposite.  The risk of going from 8 to 7 is neglible, COMPARED to the reward of a 2-possession game in the 4th Q.  Same as if they were up 10 and tried to push to 12. 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 3:59 AM ET #9

    But instead of kicking the xp and going up by eight they attempted a 2 to get a nine point lead 

     

     

    seems absolutely crazy to me

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    But instead of kicking the xp and going up by eight they attempted a 2 to get a nine point lead 

     

     

    seems absolutely crazy to me

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 6:42 AM ET #10

    it was an_getaway

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    it was an_getaway

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 6:55 AM ET #11

    100% the correct call

     

    7 or 8 doesn't matter...1 possession game

     

    9 matters....2 possession game

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    100% the correct call

     

    7 or 8 doesn't matter...1 possession game

     

    9 matters....2 possession game

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 7:55 AM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by shrewdie:

    But instead of kicking the xp and going up by eight they attempted a 2 to get a nine point lead      seems absolutely crazy to me

     

    why is it crazy to want to be up 2 scores in the 4th quarter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrewdie:

    But instead of kicking the xp and going up by eight they attempted a 2 to get a nine point lead      seems absolutely crazy to me

     

    why is it crazy to want to be up 2 scores in the 4th quarter?

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 8:00 AM ET #13

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     It’s not crazy to want to be up by two scores.

     

    but the near certainty of being up by 8 against the much more risky being up by nine is imo crazy

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    @buddygurt

     It’s not crazy to want to be up by two scores.

     

    but the near certainty of being up by 8 against the much more risky being up by nine is imo crazy

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 8:31 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Spades:

    Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: @meknowno   risk outweighs reward plenty of time left anyway Actually it's the opposite.  The risk of going from 8 to 7 is neglible, COMPARED to the reward of a 2-possession game in the 4th Q.  Same as if they were up 10 and tried to push to 12.

     

    This is the correct answer.  Math is hard for most 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Spades:

    Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: @meknowno   risk outweighs reward plenty of time left anyway Actually it's the opposite.  The risk of going from 8 to 7 is neglible, COMPARED to the reward of a 2-possession game in the 4th Q.  Same as if they were up 10 and tried to push to 12.

     

    This is the correct answer.  Math is hard for most 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 8:41 AM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by worm23:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Spades: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: @meknowno   risk outweighs reward plenty of time left anyway Actually it's the opposite.  The risk of going from 8 to 7 is neglible, COMPARED to the reward of a 2-possession game in the 4th Q.  Same as if they were up 10 and tried to push to 12.   This is the correct answer.  Math is hard for most
    Not the way I see it, you go up 8 and cant be beat by a TD and conversion, go up 7 and you can. Why put yourself in position to possibly lose. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by worm23:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Spades: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: @meknowno   risk outweighs reward plenty of time left anyway Actually it's the opposite.  The risk of going from 8 to 7 is neglible, COMPARED to the reward of a 2-possession game in the 4th Q.  Same as if they were up 10 and tried to push to 12.   This is the correct answer.  Math is hard for most
    Not the way I see it, you go up 8 and cant be beat by a TD and conversion, go up 7 and you can. Why put yourself in position to possibly lose. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 9:25 AM ET #16

    there's no real advantage either way of going for 1 or 2
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/when-to-go-for-2-for-real/

    i think it's the wrong move but if you have some badass 2 point plays or if your defense is really bad going against a good offense, then maybe it's worth a try

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    there's no real advantage either way of going for 1 or 2
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/when-to-go-for-2-for-real/

    i think it's the wrong move but if you have some badass 2 point plays or if your defense is really bad going against a good offense, then maybe it's worth a try

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 9:32 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    Quote Originally Posted by worm23: Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Spades: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: @meknowno   risk outweighs reward plenty of time left anyway Actually it's the opposite.  The risk of going from 8 to 7 is neglible, COMPARED to the reward of a 2-possession game in the 4th Q.  Same as if they were up 10 and tried to push to 12.   This is the correct answer.  Math is hard for most Not the way I see it, you go up 8 and cant be beat by a TD and conversion, go up 7 and you can. Why put yourself in position to possibly lose.

    This is the answer. When you are only up by 7 you are in a position to possibly lose the game. When you’re up by 8 you cannot be beat in less than two possessions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    Quote Originally Posted by worm23: Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Spades: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: @meknowno   risk outweighs reward plenty of time left anyway Actually it's the opposite.  The risk of going from 8 to 7 is neglible, COMPARED to the reward of a 2-possession game in the 4th Q.  Same as if they were up 10 and tried to push to 12.   This is the correct answer.  Math is hard for most Not the way I see it, you go up 8 and cant be beat by a TD and conversion, go up 7 and you can. Why put yourself in position to possibly lose.

    This is the answer. When you are only up by 7 you are in a position to possibly lose the game. When you’re up by 8 you cannot be beat in less than two possessions.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 9:44 AM ET #18

    @brn2loslive2win

     You are up 7 with a possibility of losing the game on a TD + 2 pt conversion 

     

    If you go up 9 the other team cannot tie in 1 possession

     

    He was right to try to go up 9 points

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    @brn2loslive2win

     You are up 7 with a possibility of losing the game on a TD + 2 pt conversion 

     

    If you go up 9 the other team cannot tie in 1 possession

     

    He was right to try to go up 9 points

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 9:45 AM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by jefff:

    there's no real advantage either way of going for 1 or 2https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/when-to-go-for-2-for-real/i think it's the wrong move but if you have some badass 2 point plays or if your defense is really bad going against a good offense, then maybe it's worth a try

     

    You have lamar jackson and derek henry, and the ravens defense isnt very good, you made the case to go for 2 there 

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    Quote Originally Posted by jefff:

    there's no real advantage either way of going for 1 or 2https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/when-to-go-for-2-for-real/i think it's the wrong move but if you have some badass 2 point plays or if your defense is really bad going against a good offense, then maybe it's worth a try

     

    You have lamar jackson and derek henry, and the ravens defense isnt very good, you made the case to go for 2 there 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by brn2loslive2win:

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1: Quote Originally Posted by worm23: Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Spades: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: @meknowno   risk outweighs reward plenty of time left anyway Actually it's the opposite.  The risk of going from 8 to 7 is neglible, COMPARED to the reward of a 2-possession game in the 4th Q.  Same as if they were up 10 and tried to push to 12.   This is the correct answer.  Math is hard for most Not the way I see it, you go up 8 and cant be beat by a TD and conversion, go up 7 and you can. Why put yourself in position to possibly lose. This is the answer. When you are only up by 7 you are in a position to possibly lose the game. When you’re up by 8 you cannot be beat in less than two possessions.
    I believe that's what I just said peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by brn2loslive2win:

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1: Quote Originally Posted by worm23: Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Spades: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: @meknowno   risk outweighs reward plenty of time left anyway Actually it's the opposite.  The risk of going from 8 to 7 is neglible, COMPARED to the reward of a 2-possession game in the 4th Q.  Same as if they were up 10 and tried to push to 12.   This is the correct answer.  Math is hard for most Not the way I see it, you go up 8 and cant be beat by a TD and conversion, go up 7 and you can. Why put yourself in position to possibly lose. This is the answer. When you are only up by 7 you are in a position to possibly lose the game. When you’re up by 8 you cannot be beat in less than two possessions.
    I believe that's what I just said peace_5

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 9:48 AM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by brn2loslive2win:

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1: Quote Originally Posted by worm23: Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Spades: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: @meknowno   risk outweighs reward plenty of time left anyway Actually it's the opposite.  The risk of going from 8 to 7 is neglible, COMPARED to the reward of a 2-possession game in the 4th Q.  Same as if they were up 10 and tried to push to 12.   This is the correct answer.  Math is hard for most Not the way I see it, you go up 8 and cant be beat by a TD and conversion, go up 7 and you can. Why put yourself in position to possibly lose. This is the answer. When you are only up by 7 you are in a position to possibly lose the game. When you’re up by 8 you cannot be beat in less than two possessions.

     

    So its risky to go up 9 instead of kicking to go up 8, but not risky to go for the 2 to take the lead instead of kicking to tie? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by brn2loslive2win:

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1: Quote Originally Posted by worm23: Quote Originally Posted by Ace of Spades: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: @meknowno   risk outweighs reward plenty of time left anyway Actually it's the opposite.  The risk of going from 8 to 7 is neglible, COMPARED to the reward of a 2-possession game in the 4th Q.  Same as if they were up 10 and tried to push to 12.   This is the correct answer.  Math is hard for most Not the way I see it, you go up 8 and cant be beat by a TD and conversion, go up 7 and you can. Why put yourself in position to possibly lose. This is the answer. When you are only up by 7 you are in a position to possibly lose the game. When you’re up by 8 you cannot be beat in less than two possessions.

     

    So its risky to go up 9 instead of kicking to go up 8, but not risky to go for the 2 to take the lead instead of kicking to tie? 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 9:48 AM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz:

    @brn2loslive2win  You are up 7 with a possibility of losing the game on a TD + 2 pt conversion    If you go up 9 the other team cannot tie in 1 possession   He was right to try to go up 9 points
    The Xtra point would have made it 8  an_slap

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz:

    @brn2loslive2win  You are up 7 with a possibility of losing the game on a TD + 2 pt conversion    If you go up 9 the other team cannot tie in 1 possession   He was right to try to go up 9 points
    The Xtra point would have made it 8  an_slap

     
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    I don't think 8 and 7 are the same. Kicking 1 pt is over 90%.

    Going for 2 is roughly 50%. Can't be the same.

    Up 8 your opp needs to not only score a TD but needs to convert a 50% probability.

    Then you need to multiple the odds to score a TD × 50%.

    VS up 7 you multiple the exact same odds to score a TD × 95%.

    Up 8 is higher probability to win .

    But Up 9 is a far higher probability to win. Yes more risky too but much higher probability to win.

    So to me the question is, does the risk of a 50% probability to score 2 pts outweigh the higher probability of being up 8 VS being up only 7.

    I don't think either way is wrong myself. Only a matter of what as a coach you feel is right based on matchups and players and any special 2 pt plays you may have that no teams know you have.

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    I don't think 8 and 7 are the same. Kicking 1 pt is over 90%.

    Going for 2 is roughly 50%. Can't be the same.

    Up 8 your opp needs to not only score a TD but needs to convert a 50% probability.

    Then you need to multiple the odds to score a TD × 50%.

    VS up 7 you multiple the exact same odds to score a TD × 95%.

    Up 8 is higher probability to win .

    But Up 9 is a far higher probability to win. Yes more risky too but much higher probability to win.

    So to me the question is, does the risk of a 50% probability to score 2 pts outweigh the higher probability of being up 8 VS being up only 7.

    I don't think either way is wrong myself. Only a matter of what as a coach you feel is right based on matchups and players and any special 2 pt plays you may have that no teams know you have.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2024 - 11:00 AM ET #24

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     I think what is not being taken into consideration in your probability of winning % is that if you decide to go for 2 there and don’t get it, effectively only giving yourself a 7 point lead, that the other team can now score a TD and go for two themselves to take the lead and beat you. Just my opinion peace_5

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     I think what is not being taken into consideration in your probability of winning % is that if you decide to go for 2 there and don’t get it, effectively only giving yourself a 7 point lead, that the other team can now score a TD and go for two themselves to take the lead and beat you. Just my opinion peace_5

     
     
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    2 possession vs 1? an_timeoutpeaceclover

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