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    READ, HERE IS THE BOTTOMLINE ABOUT JAY CUTLER.

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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2011 - 6:05 PM ET #51

    This is not even about if he was injured or not at this point. Its all about perception and Cutler is not helping his cause at all. He knows all the shit that is going on, yet he continues to show up places with his girlfriend walking up stairs, walking around shopping, etc. It really makes you wonder what is with this guy.

    He is a public sports figure and he will need to hire PR firm to help his public perception. Obviously, he doesn't have one.

    Yes, he has the right to do whatever he wants, but come on enough is enough. If I was Lovie I would call him and say, " Hey Jay, can you do yourself and the Bears organization a favor and at least appear that you are injured?".

     

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    This is not even about if he was injured or not at this point. Its all about perception and Cutler is not helping his cause at all. He knows all the shit that is going on, yet he continues to show up places with his girlfriend walking up stairs, walking around shopping, etc. It really makes you wonder what is with this guy.

    He is a public sports figure and he will need to hire PR firm to help his public perception. Obviously, he doesn't have one.

    Yes, he has the right to do whatever he wants, but come on enough is enough. If I was Lovie I would call him and say, " Hey Jay, can you do yourself and the Bears organization a favor and at least appear that you are injured?".

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2011 - 6:14 PM ET #52

    Dude the doctors str8 up said grade II..there arent many drawbacks to this in everyday life..he just cant get be trying to run away from Clay Matthews...whats so hard to understand about that?

    Cry about his attitude or whatever but he led the team to the championship game with average WRs and the worst oline in the NFL..now he shouldnt be seen walking for 6 weeks?

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    Dude the doctors str8 up said grade II..there arent many drawbacks to this in everyday life..he just cant get be trying to run away from Clay Matthews...whats so hard to understand about that?

    Cry about his attitude or whatever but he led the team to the championship game with average WRs and the worst oline in the NFL..now he shouldnt be seen walking for 6 weeks?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2011 - 6:28 PM ET #53

    I am thinking Cutler might have a social disorder.Prett good article, even though it was written by Rick Reilly



    For a man from Santa Claus, Ind., Jay Cutler is one of the least jolly people you've ever met.

    If he's not The Most Hated Man in the NFL, he's in the running. His expression is usually that of a man wearing sandpaper underwear. He looks everywhere but into your eyes. It's a tie as to which he enjoys more -- smirking or shrugging.

    It's hard to say what interests Cutler, but it's definitely not you.

    Once, in his rookie year in Denver, 45 minutes before a game, surefire Hall of Fame safety John Lynch was trying to explain something to Cutler about NFL pass coverage. Except Cutler wasn't looking at Lynch. He was texting.

    "Man, I'm trying to talk to you!" Lynch protested.

    Didn't help. Cutler was all thumbs, head down. Finally, Lynch slapped the phone out of Cutler's hands, smashing it to the floor.

    He listened after that.

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    I am thinking Cutler might have a social disorder.Prett good article, even though it was written by Rick Reilly



    For a man from Santa Claus, Ind., Jay Cutler is one of the least jolly people you've ever met.

    If he's not The Most Hated Man in the NFL, he's in the running. His expression is usually that of a man wearing sandpaper underwear. He looks everywhere but into your eyes. It's a tie as to which he enjoys more -- smirking or shrugging.

    It's hard to say what interests Cutler, but it's definitely not you.

    Once, in his rookie year in Denver, 45 minutes before a game, surefire Hall of Fame safety John Lynch was trying to explain something to Cutler about NFL pass coverage. Except Cutler wasn't looking at Lynch. He was texting.

    "Man, I'm trying to talk to you!" Lynch protested.

    Didn't help. Cutler was all thumbs, head down. Finally, Lynch slapped the phone out of Cutler's hands, smashing it to the floor.

    He listened after that.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2011 - 6:28 PM ET #54

    One time, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan thought it would be helpful for Cutler and Broncos legend John Elway to have lunch. Let Cutler drink in some of Elway's experience.

    The three of them sat down at a Denver steak joint. Elway, polite as ever, tried to impart some wisdom. Except Cutler wasn't looking at Elway. He wasn't looking at Shanahan, either. He was looking at the TV. The whole time. With his baseball cap on backward. All the way through dessert. Elway did not leave impressed.

    So when Josh McDaniels, before he had even set his Samsonite down, started railroading Cutler out of town, almost nobody stood up for him.

    Cutler was boxed up and shipped to Chicago, where, this Sunday, he will play his first playoff game of any kind since high school, this one at home against the Seattle Seahawks.

    It's a huge moment for Cutler, if only because his disdain for making nice means everything rides on his wins and losses.

    "In New York, they want to poke you in the eye," says former Bear and sports radio host Tom Waddle. "In L.A., they don't care about you. But in Chicago, they want to love you. They want to make a connection with you. Any kind of connection. But Jay doesn't really care."

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    One time, Broncos coach Mike Shanahan thought it would be helpful for Cutler and Broncos legend John Elway to have lunch. Let Cutler drink in some of Elway's experience.

    The three of them sat down at a Denver steak joint. Elway, polite as ever, tried to impart some wisdom. Except Cutler wasn't looking at Elway. He wasn't looking at Shanahan, either. He was looking at the TV. The whole time. With his baseball cap on backward. All the way through dessert. Elway did not leave impressed.

    So when Josh McDaniels, before he had even set his Samsonite down, started railroading Cutler out of town, almost nobody stood up for him.

    Cutler was boxed up and shipped to Chicago, where, this Sunday, he will play his first playoff game of any kind since high school, this one at home against the Seattle Seahawks.

    It's a huge moment for Cutler, if only because his disdain for making nice means everything rides on his wins and losses.

    "In New York, they want to poke you in the eye," says former Bear and sports radio host Tom Waddle. "In L.A., they don't care about you. But in Chicago, they want to love you. They want to make a connection with you. Any kind of connection. But Jay doesn't really care."

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bucknuts:

    Dude the doctors str8 up said grade II..there arent many drawbacks to this in everyday life..he just cant get be trying to run away from Clay Matthews...whats so hard to understand about that?

    Cry about his attitude or whatever but he led the team to the championship game with average WRs and the worst oline in the NFL..now he shouldnt be seen walking for 6 weeks?

    How can Cutler "lead" the Bears anywhere when he is not a leader? It's been known for years that the dude has no leadership qualities because he simply doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself. 1/2 the time, the Bears won in spite of Jay Cutler being the interception machine/team killer that he is.

    If anyone led that team it was that defense. Not Jay Cutler.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucknuts:

    Dude the doctors str8 up said grade II..there arent many drawbacks to this in everyday life..he just cant get be trying to run away from Clay Matthews...whats so hard to understand about that?

    Cry about his attitude or whatever but he led the team to the championship game with average WRs and the worst oline in the NFL..now he shouldnt be seen walking for 6 weeks?

    How can Cutler "lead" the Bears anywhere when he is not a leader? It's been known for years that the dude has no leadership qualities because he simply doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself. 1/2 the time, the Bears won in spite of Jay Cutler being the interception machine/team killer that he is.

    If anyone led that team it was that defense. Not Jay Cutler.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2011 - 6:29 PM ET #56

    Cutler could own Chicago if he wanted. In a city that has had as many good quarterbacks as Omaha has had good surfers, Cutler could have his name on half the billboards and all the jerseys. My God, the kid grew up a Bears fan! But he doesn't even try. He has zero endorsements and doesn't want any. If there is such a thing as a Jay Cutler Fan Club, Cutler is having a membership drive -- to drive them out.

    Example from Wednesday's 15-minute news conference, the only time he speaks publicly the entire workweek:

    Reporter #1: So, did you enjoy the week off?

    Cutler: Yeah, it's nice to kick back and watch the games.

    Reporter #2: Wait. Last week, you said you never watch the games.

    Cutler (disgusted): I said you could watch the games. I didn't say I watched the games. You've got to listen.

    Cutler is the kind of guy you just want to pick up and throw into a swimming pool, which is exactly what Peyton Manning and two linemen did one year at the Pro Bowl.

    "He's an arrogant little punk," former Broncos radio color man, Scott Hastings, once said on a national show. "He's a little bitch."

    Harsh? Yes. Heard before? Yes.

    "I used to hear this kind of stuff a lot," says Marty Garafalo, a freelance publicist who handled Cutler in Denver. "Elway was always trying to give you the time of day, and Jay was always seeing which door he could get out of quicker. It was a maturity thing."

    Cutler's teammates will defend him, when asked. "It's funny to me how people form an opinion of a guy who've never even met him," says Bears tight end Greg Olsen, a close friend.


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    Cutler could own Chicago if he wanted. In a city that has had as many good quarterbacks as Omaha has had good surfers, Cutler could have his name on half the billboards and all the jerseys. My God, the kid grew up a Bears fan! But he doesn't even try. He has zero endorsements and doesn't want any. If there is such a thing as a Jay Cutler Fan Club, Cutler is having a membership drive -- to drive them out.

    Example from Wednesday's 15-minute news conference, the only time he speaks publicly the entire workweek:

    Reporter #1: So, did you enjoy the week off?

    Cutler: Yeah, it's nice to kick back and watch the games.

    Reporter #2: Wait. Last week, you said you never watch the games.

    Cutler (disgusted): I said you could watch the games. I didn't say I watched the games. You've got to listen.

    Cutler is the kind of guy you just want to pick up and throw into a swimming pool, which is exactly what Peyton Manning and two linemen did one year at the Pro Bowl.

    "He's an arrogant little punk," former Broncos radio color man, Scott Hastings, once said on a national show. "He's a little bitch."

    Harsh? Yes. Heard before? Yes.

    "I used to hear this kind of stuff a lot," says Marty Garafalo, a freelance publicist who handled Cutler in Denver. "Elway was always trying to give you the time of day, and Jay was always seeing which door he could get out of quicker. It was a maturity thing."

    Cutler's teammates will defend him, when asked. "It's funny to me how people form an opinion of a guy who've never even met him," says Bears tight end Greg Olsen, a close friend.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2011 - 6:30 PM ET #57

    So what's the truth?

    "He is what he is," Olsen says.

    Not exactly something for your tombstone.

    What he is is an RPG-armed, 27-year-old Vanderbilt product who dates a reality TV star named Kristin Cavallari, battles Type 1 diabetes every day, and doesn't care who understands him and who doesn't. He's a giving person who does things behind the scenes and hates it when he gets found out. A few days before Christmas, he and Cavallari brought presents for an entire ward of sick hospital kids. A reporter for the Sun-Times got wind of it and asked him about it. Cutler refused to discuss it.

    He's a battler who's done amazingly well considering the swinging saloon-door offensive line he has to play behind. The man has been sacked more times this season (52) than in his three seasons in Denver combined (51). Yet he never complains.

    "He's as sharp an individual as I've ever been around," says Bears offensive coordinator Mike Martz.

    So why is Cutler as popular as gout?



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    So what's the truth?

    "He is what he is," Olsen says.

    Not exactly something for your tombstone.

    What he is is an RPG-armed, 27-year-old Vanderbilt product who dates a reality TV star named Kristin Cavallari, battles Type 1 diabetes every day, and doesn't care who understands him and who doesn't. He's a giving person who does things behind the scenes and hates it when he gets found out. A few days before Christmas, he and Cavallari brought presents for an entire ward of sick hospital kids. A reporter for the Sun-Times got wind of it and asked him about it. Cutler refused to discuss it.

    He's a battler who's done amazingly well considering the swinging saloon-door offensive line he has to play behind. The man has been sacked more times this season (52) than in his three seasons in Denver combined (51). Yet he never complains.

    "He's as sharp an individual as I've ever been around," says Bears offensive coordinator Mike Martz.

    So why is Cutler as popular as gout?



     
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    Is it because he never makes eye contact?

    Is it his seeming inability to answer a question without using "y'know"? (He once used it 57 times in a five-minute interview with the NFL Network.)

    Is it his penchant for making things difficult?

    Reporter (after a game): What happened on that first interception, Jay?

    Cutler: I threw the ball.

    Reporter: Right, but what did you see developing there? Take us through it.

    Cutler (archly): It seemed like a good place to throw the ball.

    Then there was this:

    Reporter: When you were a kid, which quarterback did you look up to?

    Cutler: Nobody.

    Reporter: Nobody? You didn't look up to anybody?

    Cutler: No.

    If he's lying, it makes him a miscreant. If he's telling the truth, it makes him a miscreant.

    "Deep, deep down, I think he's a really good guy," Waddle says.

    Maybe. But why do we have to look that deep?

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    Is it because he never makes eye contact?

    Is it his seeming inability to answer a question without using "y'know"? (He once used it 57 times in a five-minute interview with the NFL Network.)

    Is it his penchant for making things difficult?

    Reporter (after a game): What happened on that first interception, Jay?

    Cutler: I threw the ball.

    Reporter: Right, but what did you see developing there? Take us through it.

    Cutler (archly): It seemed like a good place to throw the ball.

    Then there was this:

    Reporter: When you were a kid, which quarterback did you look up to?

    Cutler: Nobody.

    Reporter: Nobody? You didn't look up to anybody?

    Cutler: No.

    If he's lying, it makes him a miscreant. If he's telling the truth, it makes him a miscreant.

    "Deep, deep down, I think he's a really good guy," Waddle says.

    Maybe. But why do we have to look that deep?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonKen:

    I am thinking Cutler might have a social disorder.Prett good article, even though it was written by Rick Reilly



    For a man from Santa Claus, Ind., Jay Cutler is one of the least jolly people you've ever met.

    If he's not The Most Hated Man in the NFL, he's in the running. His expression is usually that of a man wearing sandpaper underwear. He looks everywhere but into your eyes. It's a tie as to which he enjoys more -- smirking or shrugging.

    It's hard to say what interests Cutler, but it's definitely not you.

    Once, in his rookie year in Denver, 45 minutes before a game, surefire Hall of Fame safety John Lynch was trying to explain something to Cutler about NFL pass coverage. Except Cutler wasn't looking at Lynch. He was texting.

    "Man, I'm trying to talk to you!" Lynch protested.

    Didn't help. Cutler was all thumbs, head down. Finally, Lynch slapped the phone out of Cutler's hands, smashing it to the floor.

    He listened after that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonKen:

    I am thinking Cutler might have a social disorder.Prett good article, even though it was written by Rick Reilly



    For a man from Santa Claus, Ind., Jay Cutler is one of the least jolly people you've ever met.

    If he's not The Most Hated Man in the NFL, he's in the running. His expression is usually that of a man wearing sandpaper underwear. He looks everywhere but into your eyes. It's a tie as to which he enjoys more -- smirking or shrugging.

    It's hard to say what interests Cutler, but it's definitely not you.

    Once, in his rookie year in Denver, 45 minutes before a game, surefire Hall of Fame safety John Lynch was trying to explain something to Cutler about NFL pass coverage. Except Cutler wasn't looking at Lynch. He was texting.

    "Man, I'm trying to talk to you!" Lynch protested.

    Didn't help. Cutler was all thumbs, head down. Finally, Lynch slapped the phone out of Cutler's hands, smashing it to the floor.

    He listened after that.



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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2011 - 6:53 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by supadame:

    How can Cutler "lead" the Bears anywhere when he is not a leader? It's been known for years that the dude has no leadership qualities because he simply doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself. 1/2 the time, the Bears won in spite of Jay Cutler being the interception machine/team killer that he is.

    If anyone led that team it was that defense. Not Jay Cutler.

     



    He's not a leader in your opinion, the Chicago Bears disagree. So half the time they won in spite of Cutler huh? So you should be able to name 6 games they won in spite of Cutler. Can you name 3? 2?
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    How can Cutler "lead" the Bears anywhere when he is not a leader? It's been known for years that the dude has no leadership qualities because he simply doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself. 1/2 the time, the Bears won in spite of Jay Cutler being the interception machine/team killer that he is.

    If anyone led that team it was that defense. Not Jay Cutler.

     



    He's not a leader in your opinion, the Chicago Bears disagree. So half the time they won in spite of Cutler huh? So you should be able to name 6 games they won in spite of Cutler. Can you name 3? 2?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2011 - 6:55 PM ET #61

    Supa so you blame all of the Bears losses on Cutler?

    They have the worst oline in football and WRs that cant line up in the right place game after game..i love Knox but he fucks up every game..give Jay a descent target and some protection and he gets it done..

    Jays done nothing but get killed every game and he gets up and doesnt say shit..hes had some tough runs too..several vs Minn where he laid some guys down or the runs vs Det where he jumped up in the air running for a TD and got crushed by two guys and spun around up in the air...

    His attitude is the only thing that can be questioned..i think its funny he doesnt like the media..hes not being paid cause he gives a good interview

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    Supa so you blame all of the Bears losses on Cutler?

    They have the worst oline in football and WRs that cant line up in the right place game after game..i love Knox but he fucks up every game..give Jay a descent target and some protection and he gets it done..

    Jays done nothing but get killed every game and he gets up and doesnt say shit..hes had some tough runs too..several vs Minn where he laid some guys down or the runs vs Det where he jumped up in the air running for a TD and got crushed by two guys and spun around up in the air...

    His attitude is the only thing that can be questioned..i think its funny he doesnt like the media..hes not being paid cause he gives a good interview

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bucknuts:

    Dude the doctors str8 up said grade II..there arent many drawbacks to this in everyday life..he just cant get be trying to run away from Clay Matthews...whats so hard to understand about that?

    Cry about his attitude or whatever but he led the team to the championship game with average WRs and the worst oline in the NFL..now he shouldnt be seen walking for 6 weeks?

    What can't you understand? Did I say it was my perception, did I say anything about his injury? No, I didn't. What I said was the publics perception. Just now driving home on radio they were talking about what an idiot he is to be out there walking around when he knows all this shit is going on. Read carefully, I didn't say it, the guy on the radio did, understand?

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    Dude the doctors str8 up said grade II..there arent many drawbacks to this in everyday life..he just cant get be trying to run away from Clay Matthews...whats so hard to understand about that?

    Cry about his attitude or whatever but he led the team to the championship game with average WRs and the worst oline in the NFL..now he shouldnt be seen walking for 6 weeks?

    What can't you understand? Did I say it was my perception, did I say anything about his injury? No, I didn't. What I said was the publics perception. Just now driving home on radio they were talking about what an idiot he is to be out there walking around when he knows all this shit is going on. Read carefully, I didn't say it, the guy on the radio did, understand?

     
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    Yes - how foolish of him to walk around.  He should find the nearest bomb shelter and hide.

    Good for Cutler to go about life and not worry about clueless fu*cks who form impressions about him for walking about.  How sad are the lives of people who criticize him for walking anywhere.  To those people I say - get a friggen life.

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    Yes - how foolish of him to walk around.  He should find the nearest bomb shelter and hide.

    Good for Cutler to go about life and not worry about clueless fu*cks who form impressions about him for walking about.  How sad are the lives of people who criticize him for walking anywhere.  To those people I say - get a friggen life.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutcheck:

    What can't you understand? Did I say it was my perception, did I say anything about his injury? No, I didn't. What I said was the publics perception. Just now driving home on radio they were talking about what an idiot he is to be out there walking around when he knows all this shit is going on. Read carefully, I didn't say it, the guy on the radio did, understand?

    Its because it gets people like you fired up...are you not on a forum spouting the same shit?So hes out walking around with his girl BIG FUCKN WHOOP!!???

    If youre saying its your view stupid...post #51 didnt mention a radio guy...and youre upset cause hes out with his girl even though hes HURT...isnt that what this thread is about???Who cares you didnt mention the injury,youre crying cause hes out and about like he should be in the emergency room or something...its an injury that requires nothing more than time to heal..end of story..

    Just now on coast to coast radio i heard a guy talking about little green men...you should alert Obama

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    What can't you understand? Did I say it was my perception, did I say anything about his injury? No, I didn't. What I said was the publics perception. Just now driving home on radio they were talking about what an idiot he is to be out there walking around when he knows all this shit is going on. Read carefully, I didn't say it, the guy on the radio did, understand?

    Its because it gets people like you fired up...are you not on a forum spouting the same shit?So hes out walking around with his girl BIG FUCKN WHOOP!!???

    If youre saying its your view stupid...post #51 didnt mention a radio guy...and youre upset cause hes out with his girl even though hes HURT...isnt that what this thread is about???Who cares you didnt mention the injury,youre crying cause hes out and about like he should be in the emergency room or something...its an injury that requires nothing more than time to heal..end of story..

    Just now on coast to coast radio i heard a guy talking about little green men...you should alert Obama

     
     
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    i posted this b4 but here it is again for thoise who missed it..

    Suntimes article...The head physician for the Los Angeles Dodgers said quarterback Jay Cutler should not have finished the game and insisted he was fortunate that he didn't endure a more serious knee injury.
    "With a little bit more force, the next thing to go, in that situation, is the ACL," said Dr. Neal ElAttrache, the orthopedic surgeon at Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Los Angeles and team doctor for Dodgers. "So anybody who has a Grade II or Grade III that doesn't have an ACL injury is lucky."
    As first reported by the Chicago Sun-Times, Cutler's MRI Monday morning revealed that Cutler suffered a Grade II MCL tear in the second quarter of Sunday's NFC title game against the Green Bay Packers.
    ElAttrache also said that how Cutler and the Bears' medical team staff handled the situation is consistent with standard protocol.
    "Initially, as soon as it happens, [the patient] may say, 'That feels unusual. Then keep playing,' " ElAttrache said. "But as the knee bleeds, it becomes more stiff and uncomfortable. So initially, you might find a guy who can play a couple of series. But then when he doesn't move around, his knee will stiffen up.
    "Looking at it, as time went on, he became less mobile and more uncomfortable. If you feel you're not too mobile, you're not only putting yourself but your team at risk."
    Dr. David Thorson, who works with the U.S. Ski team, added that trying to continue to play would have increased the chances of Cutler tearing his ACL, a knee ligament that requires upwards of six months of rehabilitation.
    With the Grade II MCL tear, the usual healing time, which doesn't require surgery, is three to six weeks.[this mean you can go shopping or out to dinner] Thorson added that Grade II MCL tears are the trickiest to diagnose. A Grade III is a complete tear, and a Grade I, he said, is just stretching, with a couple of fibers potentially tearing.
    Grade II MCL tears are somewhere in the middle.
    "The reality is, it's not black and white," he said. "How do you know if Grade I doesn't have a few fibers torn? You can't tell it, until you do an imaging study....

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    i posted this b4 but here it is again for thoise who missed it..

    Suntimes article...The head physician for the Los Angeles Dodgers said quarterback Jay Cutler should not have finished the game and insisted he was fortunate that he didn't endure a more serious knee injury.
    "With a little bit more force, the next thing to go, in that situation, is the ACL," said Dr. Neal ElAttrache, the orthopedic surgeon at Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic in Los Angeles and team doctor for Dodgers. "So anybody who has a Grade II or Grade III that doesn't have an ACL injury is lucky."
    As first reported by the Chicago Sun-Times, Cutler's MRI Monday morning revealed that Cutler suffered a Grade II MCL tear in the second quarter of Sunday's NFC title game against the Green Bay Packers.
    ElAttrache also said that how Cutler and the Bears' medical team staff handled the situation is consistent with standard protocol.
    "Initially, as soon as it happens, [the patient] may say, 'That feels unusual. Then keep playing,' " ElAttrache said. "But as the knee bleeds, it becomes more stiff and uncomfortable. So initially, you might find a guy who can play a couple of series. But then when he doesn't move around, his knee will stiffen up.
    "Looking at it, as time went on, he became less mobile and more uncomfortable. If you feel you're not too mobile, you're not only putting yourself but your team at risk."
    Dr. David Thorson, who works with the U.S. Ski team, added that trying to continue to play would have increased the chances of Cutler tearing his ACL, a knee ligament that requires upwards of six months of rehabilitation.
    With the Grade II MCL tear, the usual healing time, which doesn't require surgery, is three to six weeks.[this mean you can go shopping or out to dinner] Thorson added that Grade II MCL tears are the trickiest to diagnose. A Grade III is a complete tear, and a Grade I, he said, is just stretching, with a couple of fibers potentially tearing.
    Grade II MCL tears are somewhere in the middle.
    "The reality is, it's not black and white," he said. "How do you know if Grade I doesn't have a few fibers torn? You can't tell it, until you do an imaging study....

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