easy cash with pittsburgh last week vs kansas city following on from our other winner arizona over tampa bay
onto week 5 and the first time we have multiple plays all which offer tremendous line value imo
la rams (scr) vs buffalo
how can this line be right ?? this line equates to buffalo being 6-7 pt favs (depending on how much hfa you give both teams) if the fixture was reversed. 2 weeks ago arizona were 5pt favs at buffalo so are arizona 11-12 pts better than the rams on a neutral field. well last week they were laying 10 at home and lost outright !! massive value with the rams.
detroit (+4) vs philadelphia
again reverse this line and philly is laying 10 at home to the lions. 4 weeks ago they were laying 3.5 to cleveland and 2 weeks ago were getting 3.5 from the steelers. are cleveland 6.5 points better than detroit on a neutral NO and would you want to lay 13.5 with the steelers on a neutral (well i certainly wouldn't). this line is way over inflated and the lions are the play.
denver (-?) vs atlanta
holding out for a -4 at the moment being a key number but even at -4.5 this line is out of whack. according to this line (if we say -4) atlanta would be a field goal favourite against an unbeaten team. talk about an overreaction to 1 good result from the falcons !! first game of the season atlanta layed 2.5 to the buccaneers but no one here would take pick em tampa over denver on a neutral.
3 very strong line plays imo hoping to keep the run going.
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easy cash with pittsburgh last week vs kansas city following on from our other winner arizona over tampa bay
onto week 5 and the first time we have multiple plays all which offer tremendous line value imo
la rams (scr) vs buffalo
how can this line be right ?? this line equates to buffalo being 6-7 pt favs (depending on how much hfa you give both teams) if the fixture was reversed. 2 weeks ago arizona were 5pt favs at buffalo so are arizona 11-12 pts better than the rams on a neutral field. well last week they were laying 10 at home and lost outright !! massive value with the rams.
detroit (+4) vs philadelphia
again reverse this line and philly is laying 10 at home to the lions. 4 weeks ago they were laying 3.5 to cleveland and 2 weeks ago were getting 3.5 from the steelers. are cleveland 6.5 points better than detroit on a neutral NO and would you want to lay 13.5 with the steelers on a neutral (well i certainly wouldn't). this line is way over inflated and the lions are the play.
denver (-?) vs atlanta
holding out for a -4 at the moment being a key number but even at -4.5 this line is out of whack. according to this line (if we say -4) atlanta would be a field goal favourite against an unbeaten team. talk about an overreaction to 1 good result from the falcons !! first game of the season atlanta layed 2.5 to the buccaneers but no one here would take pick em tampa over denver on a neutral.
3 very strong line plays imo hoping to keep the run going.
Way too much thought process on this and I'm not sold on the logic either. Sometimes the better team is favored for the obvious reasons. There's really no replacement for talent and execution with just a dash of rest thrown in. As far as I'm concerned, Philadelphia's power #s are 5 points greater than Detroit's, so logically I'm getting an advantage at the current line of -4. I guess we'll see who's system works better tomorrow Amigo. GL to you
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Way too much thought process on this and I'm not sold on the logic either. Sometimes the better team is favored for the obvious reasons. There's really no replacement for talent and execution with just a dash of rest thrown in. As far as I'm concerned, Philadelphia's power #s are 5 points greater than Detroit's, so logically I'm getting an advantage at the current line of -4. I guess we'll see who's system works better tomorrow Amigo. GL to you
I like your thoughts , however comparing the lines to lines from a few weeks ago can be very dangerous , last week is history . Also Arizona was over rated coming into the year . Best of luck
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I like your thoughts , however comparing the lines to lines from a few weeks ago can be very dangerous , last week is history . Also Arizona was over rated coming into the year . Best of luck
I'm not sold on the Rams, nor the Bills either for that matter. I'm all over Detroit though. The public is going to rely on what's happened most recently; the Lions debacle against the Bears and the phillys beat down of the Steelers. Added to that they are coming off a bye and at home makes it tempting, but my gut senses a letdown game for the Eagles.
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I'm not sold on the Rams, nor the Bills either for that matter. I'm all over Detroit though. The public is going to rely on what's happened most recently; the Lions debacle against the Bears and the phillys beat down of the Steelers. Added to that they are coming off a bye and at home makes it tempting, but my gut senses a letdown game for the Eagles.
my reason for quoting lines from 3 or 4 weeks ago is to show that people are betting teams now at their high point because of what they see the week before. in phillys case no one was queing up in line to take them -3.5 at home against cleveland yet now the world wants to take them at what amounts to -10 against detroit (reversing the home advantage). buying high selling low is not a good strategy imo in the nfl and therefore all the value in this game lies with the lions
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my reason for quoting lines from 3 or 4 weeks ago is to show that people are betting teams now at their high point because of what they see the week before. in phillys case no one was queing up in line to take them -3.5 at home against cleveland yet now the world wants to take them at what amounts to -10 against detroit (reversing the home advantage). buying high selling low is not a good strategy imo in the nfl and therefore all the value in this game lies with the lions
All three of these are my leans also. I agree 100% with you. The edge is most important in handicapping and laying 3.5 points at road on rookie QB on still suspect team is suicide. Yep... Eagles are obviously the better team here but the line is bad... and the most important thing in sports betting is never bet bad lines no matter what. Yep Eagles could blowout Lions but the bet is still wrong on that particular line. Same with Bills/Rams game. I see Bills favored already at some places. Both teams are similar ugly playing style and I can't see how the road team could be favorite even with just 1 pt... These three will go 2-1 IMO... possible 3-0 but it will be hard.
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All three of these are my leans also. I agree 100% with you. The edge is most important in handicapping and laying 3.5 points at road on rookie QB on still suspect team is suicide. Yep... Eagles are obviously the better team here but the line is bad... and the most important thing in sports betting is never bet bad lines no matter what. Yep Eagles could blowout Lions but the bet is still wrong on that particular line. Same with Bills/Rams game. I see Bills favored already at some places. Both teams are similar ugly playing style and I can't see how the road team could be favorite even with just 1 pt... These three will go 2-1 IMO... possible 3-0 but it will be hard.
my reason for quoting lines from 3 or 4 weeks ago is to show that people are betting teams now at their high point because of what they see the week before. in phillys case no one was queing up in line to take them -3.5 at home against cleveland yet now the world wants to take them at what amounts to -10 against detroit (reversing the home advantage). buying high selling low is not a good strategy imo in the nfl and therefore all the value in this game lies with the lions
Philly didnt play last week. Nice and rested.
The fact is, people faded Philly because of Wentz. Rookie QBs generally need time to adjust to the NFL. Wentz proved over the weeks he is actually ready and the the Eagles are playing well. The lines were off on Philly as books/people made incorrect assumptions on the quality of Wentz, and Philly in general. Now people see that the Eagles are actually a quality team on both sides of the ball.
I get the "buy low"/'sell high" concept so it's hard to dissuade you. It's rational thinking. I'm just not sold that Philly will fall flat here. They are well coached, healthy and rested.
The Rams/Bills....this line looks right. Both teams seem to crap the bed as favorites and play well as the underdog.
Denver line seems low to me. Lynch starting definitely brings it down a point. Atlanta seems to be firing on offense and should have the game to run and dink/dunk the passes down the field to keep Denver on its toes. But easy to see the Falcons fall flat after the big win last week
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my reason for quoting lines from 3 or 4 weeks ago is to show that people are betting teams now at their high point because of what they see the week before. in phillys case no one was queing up in line to take them -3.5 at home against cleveland yet now the world wants to take them at what amounts to -10 against detroit (reversing the home advantage). buying high selling low is not a good strategy imo in the nfl and therefore all the value in this game lies with the lions
Philly didnt play last week. Nice and rested.
The fact is, people faded Philly because of Wentz. Rookie QBs generally need time to adjust to the NFL. Wentz proved over the weeks he is actually ready and the the Eagles are playing well. The lines were off on Philly as books/people made incorrect assumptions on the quality of Wentz, and Philly in general. Now people see that the Eagles are actually a quality team on both sides of the ball.
I get the "buy low"/'sell high" concept so it's hard to dissuade you. It's rational thinking. I'm just not sold that Philly will fall flat here. They are well coached, healthy and rested.
The Rams/Bills....this line looks right. Both teams seem to crap the bed as favorites and play well as the underdog.
Denver line seems low to me. Lynch starting definitely brings it down a point. Atlanta seems to be firing on offense and should have the game to run and dink/dunk the passes down the field to keep Denver on its toes. But easy to see the Falcons fall flat after the big win last week
Rams/ buff flip of a coin and yes they both play well as underdogs, Phil (Carson wentz) is the real deal and lynch will do fine. It doesn't matter who Denver has as a QB as long as he doesn't turn it over. GL I love the thought process
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Rams/ buff flip of a coin and yes they both play well as underdogs, Phil (Carson wentz) is the real deal and lynch will do fine. It doesn't matter who Denver has as a QB as long as he doesn't turn it over. GL I love the thought process
jefff you make some great points there re philly. the only thing i would say in reply is that the line represents that everybody now knows wentz can play in the nfl. so where is the edge in betting philly. far too much respect has been shown in reference to this line off of that 1 great performance vs pittsburgh imo and so therefore we have an over inflated number. philly might win and cover but i could never bet them at this number as i think there is just too much value with detroit
gl anyways
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jefff you make some great points there re philly. the only thing i would say in reply is that the line represents that everybody now knows wentz can play in the nfl. so where is the edge in betting philly. far too much respect has been shown in reference to this line off of that 1 great performance vs pittsburgh imo and so therefore we have an over inflated number. philly might win and cover but i could never bet them at this number as i think there is just too much value with detroit
agree, there isnt much edge in betting Philly. ESPECIALLY at -4. at -2.5 or -3 -110 perhaps. At this point there is no edge. I just dont think there's much of an edge with Detroit. I think Philly as the fight and confidence in them to win the game. I dont have such confidence in this point with the Loins. Their half-hearted effort against the low tier teams like Tenny and Chicago tells me a lot.
Good luck today
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agree, there isnt much edge in betting Philly. ESPECIALLY at -4. at -2.5 or -3 -110 perhaps. At this point there is no edge. I just dont think there's much of an edge with Detroit. I think Philly as the fight and confidence in them to win the game. I dont have such confidence in this point with the Loins. Their half-hearted effort against the low tier teams like Tenny and Chicago tells me a lot.
agree, there isnt much edge in betting Philly. ESPECIALLY at -4. at -2.5 or -3 -110 perhaps. At this point there is no edge. I just dont think there's much of an edge with Detroit. I think Philly as the fight and confidence in them to win the game. I dont have such confidence in this point with the Loins. Their half-hearted effort against the low tier teams like Tenny and Chicago tells me a lot.
Good luck today
The smart and value play in DET is overshadowed by the fact they truly arent a good team. CHI is so bad and they man handled this team. How they turn that around in one week is beyond me. Im going with PHI off the bye.
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agree, there isnt much edge in betting Philly. ESPECIALLY at -4. at -2.5 or -3 -110 perhaps. At this point there is no edge. I just dont think there's much of an edge with Detroit. I think Philly as the fight and confidence in them to win the game. I dont have such confidence in this point with the Loins. Their half-hearted effort against the low tier teams like Tenny and Chicago tells me a lot.
Good luck today
The smart and value play in DET is overshadowed by the fact they truly arent a good team. CHI is so bad and they man handled this team. How they turn that around in one week is beyond me. Im going with PHI off the bye.
dustin there is no x beat y and z beat x logic here. we are comparing the lines not the results and seeking to find under and over valued teams to bet on/against. sometimes the result of a certain game matters because the public saw it and wants to be on them the following week regardless of the line and that can often be where the value lies in betting against that team because vegas knows that the public will bet that side and therefore inflate the line. im just trying to find the right side of the spread because thats what we all bet 11 to win 10 trying to beat.
final card
los angeles rams pick em
detroit +4
denver -4
be lucky
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locked in denver -4
dustin there is no x beat y and z beat x logic here. we are comparing the lines not the results and seeking to find under and over valued teams to bet on/against. sometimes the result of a certain game matters because the public saw it and wants to be on them the following week regardless of the line and that can often be where the value lies in betting against that team because vegas knows that the public will bet that side and therefore inflate the line. im just trying to find the right side of the spread because thats what we all bet 11 to win 10 trying to beat.
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