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Nycgags

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Posted: Dec. 7, 2016 - 9:29 PM ET #26

Quote Originally Posted by Special25:

There ain't a way in hell I'll go off a website that's causes confusion.pure confusion then you say widen your research no sir what you are doing is called reaching.your looking for help to back you just stick to the basics.if a team rank 5 on source and 23 on another something isn't right ima going from week 1 till now not how they've played recently.

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Posted: Dec. 7, 2016 - 9:49 PM ET #27

Quote Originally Posted by Nycgags:

Might as well be with all the illegals in California.

This confirms what a douche bag you are

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Posted: Dec. 7, 2016 - 10:05 PM ET #28

Quote Originally Posted by RaiderNation925:

This confirms what a douche bag you are

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Holyh3llz

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Posted: Dec. 7, 2016 - 10:07 PM ET #29

Other thread he talks about raiders losing in freezing temps when hey played in Detroit meanwhile it's a dome lol

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 12:09 AM ET #30

Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

Anda dapat menemukan pertama Ketika cukup adalah cukup di sini:https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=22&sub=102356858Raiders mengalami jenis musim bahwa Panthers memiliki tahun lalu ketika mereka pergi ke Seattle dan mengejutkan dunia. Aksi Jack Del Rio adalah tahun ini Riverboat Ron dan Derek Carr adalah tahun ini Cam Newton. Itu hanya terlihat dan terasa seperti tahun mereka (setidaknya pasti untuk memenangkan divisi). Sekarang Raiders, muda, bodoh, dan penuh kesombongan dan keyakinan menghadapi musuh lama yang telah mengalahkan mereka yang terakhir 4 kali, dengan kerugian terakhir menjadi kerugian rumah yang sangat memalukan sebagai Raiders hanya tidak muncul. Mereka benar-benar tidak orang-orang. game yang tidak menunjukkan bagaimana satu ini akan dimainkan. Chiefs, apa yang dapat Anda katakan tentang mereka. Mereka adalah sekelompok lama yang sama. Alex Smith dan Andy Reid tidak pernah punya nyali untuk memenangkan pertandingan besar dan mereka masih tidak (berhenti mengutip saya catatan musim reguler mereka). anus dan bola Smith dan Reid akan mengerut sesuai pada Kamis malam (dan itu tidak akan karena cuaca dingin) itu akan menjadi karena suasana playoff dan semua tekanan pada mereka. Dan jika KC mendapat belakang awal, bahwa pelanggaran anemia tidak memiliki kekuatan api untuk kembali. Dua keajaiban menang melawan Denver dan Atlanta adalah salah satu terlalu banyak keajaiban untuk tim ini. Beri aku Raiders (Carr, tidak seperti KC dan Smith, adalah salah satu yang terbaik QB selama waktu uang dan membuat kebiasaan comebacks keajaiban dan tidak harus bergantung pada bermain buruk tim lain) dan bantal 3 titik di liga di mana pelanggaran adalah raja dan pertahanan yang baik (seperti KC) harus bergantung pada rahmat baik kru wasit yang akan, lebih mungkin daripada tidak, akan mendukung Raiders di satu ini (seperti yang mereka lakukan ketika mereka memainkan Texas). Dengan tahun ke bawah di peringkat, Raiders dan Cowboys adalah dua dari beberapa titik terang liga telah terjadi untuk itu: KC? Tidak begitu banyak. Jadi yang pasti dan sudut untuk diingat.PlayRaiders 3

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Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

Anda dapat menemukan pertama Ketika cukup adalah cukup di sini:https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=22&sub=102356858Raiders mengalami jenis musim bahwa Panthers memiliki tahun lalu ketika mereka pergi ke Seattle dan mengejutkan dunia. Aksi Jack Del Rio adalah tahun ini Riverboat Ron dan Derek Carr adalah tahun ini Cam Newton. Itu hanya terlihat dan terasa seperti tahun mereka (setidaknya pasti untuk memenangkan divisi). Sekarang Raiders, muda, bodoh, dan penuh kesombongan dan keyakinan menghadapi musuh lama yang telah mengalahkan mereka yang terakhir 4 kali, dengan kerugian terakhir menjadi kerugian rumah yang sangat memalukan sebagai Raiders hanya tidak muncul. Mereka benar-benar tidak orang-orang. game yang tidak menunjukkan bagaimana satu ini akan dimainkan. Chiefs, apa yang dapat Anda katakan tentang mereka. Mereka adalah sekelompok lama yang sama. Alex Smith dan Andy Reid tidak pernah punya nyali untuk memenangkan pertandingan besar dan mereka masih tidak (berhenti mengutip saya catatan musim reguler mereka). anus dan bola Smith dan Reid akan mengerut sesuai pada Kamis malam (dan itu tidak akan karena cuaca dingin) itu akan menjadi karena suasana playoff dan semua tekanan pada mereka. Dan jika KC mendapat belakang awal, bahwa pelanggaran anemia tidak memiliki kekuatan api untuk kembali. Dua keajaiban menang melawan Denver dan Atlanta adalah salah satu terlalu banyak keajaiban untuk tim ini. Beri aku Raiders (Carr, tidak seperti KC dan Smith, adalah salah satu yang terbaik QB selama waktu uang dan membuat kebiasaan comebacks keajaiban dan tidak harus bergantung pada bermain buruk tim lain) dan bantal 3 titik di liga di mana pelanggaran adalah raja dan pertahanan yang baik (seperti KC) harus bergantung pada rahmat baik kru wasit yang akan, lebih mungkin daripada tidak, akan mendukung Raiders di satu ini (seperti yang mereka lakukan ketika mereka memainkan Texas). Dengan tahun ke bawah di peringkat, Raiders dan Cowboys adalah dua dari beberapa titik terang liga telah terjadi untuk itu: KC? Tidak begitu banyak. Jadi yang pasti dan sudut untuk diingat.PlayRaiders 3

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suuma

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 2:12 AM ET #31

Good stuff BB, pretty much sums up my thoughts as well.

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Nycgags

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 2:51 AM ET #32

There was 1 bad call in the HOU @ OAK game in Mexico City, not 2-3 as most speculate.

Hopkins was out of bounds:

https://i.sli.mg/AqUBaP.png

Lamar Miller was well short of a first down ON THE FIRST ATTEMPT, it was a good spot.

https://i.sli.mg/XB0sIp.png

It was the follow up play which on the surface looked like a bad call, only thing I can think of is they showed a deceiving camera angle, can't understand how after review they would let the call stand unless there was another camera angle they had access to which they did not show on T.V.

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suuma

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 3:11 AM ET #33

Quote Originally Posted by Nycgags:

There was 1 bad call in the HOU @ OAK game in Mexico City, not 2-3 as most speculate.

Hopkins was out of bounds:

https://i.sli.mg/AqUBaP.png

Lamar Miller was well short of a first down ON THE FIRST ATTEMPT, it was a good spot.

https://i.sli.mg/XB0sIp.png

It was the follow up play which on the surface looked like a bad call, only thing I can think of is they showed a deceiving camera angle, can't understand how after review they would let the call stand unless there was another camera angle they had access to which they did not show on T.V.

Hopkins' heel isn't on the ground, therefore you don't have clear evidence for him being out of bounds. The problem on this call was that the refs blew the play dead immediately so on the review you have to find clear evidence that he was inbounds. If they hadn't the ruled play dead, it would have standed as a TD because they wouldn't have seen clear evidence for him being out of bounds. That's a big difference.

Dean Blandino, NFL vice president of officiating: "Look at the heel, the heel appears to be in the white. It's not right down the line, so it's not definitive, but we certainly can't say that he's obviously in bounds from this angle. The heel looks like it's down, it looks like it could be touching the white, it's not definitive either way."

There are two plays you don't talk about:

1) https://twitter.com/RuskinLandreth/status/800928400537833474

2) https://twitter.com/RuskinLandreth/status/800928400537833474

It was a 3rd & a 4th down when I remember right. It can't get more obvious. And by the way, the game was played in Mexico, not in Oakland.

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Nycgags

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 3:20 AM ET #34

suuma -

My post clearly states HOU @ OAK game in Mexico City

Regarding the Hopkins call there is no indication that Hopkins is running on his toes. The official in my screen shot has a much more clear picture of where his foot his, from this camera angle it his clear his right foot is out of bounds. Stating this was a definitively "bad call" is hogwash, yes I used that word since I know it pushes your buttons.

The two plays "I don't talk about" is the Lamar Miller play which I give a very clear screen shot of where his right knee is down. Your two links are the same friggin link with a screen shot much further in the play sequence.

I know you are passionate to prove me wrong, but you need to think more clearly in the future otherwise you will keep embarrassing yourself.

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Nycgags

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 3:24 AM ET #35

typos:

where his foot is, from this camera angle it is clear his right foot

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Gochu4u

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 3:35 AM ET #36

Quote Originally Posted by BkDegen:

Raiders are 8-0 as a road dog since beginning of 2015 season

Chiefs are 3-9 as a home favorite since beginning of 2015 season

Don't see much value in the line, however Raiders are 13-0 in +6 teasers on the road since beginning of 2015....

Week 4, oaktown @ tenn, wasnt oaktown -1.5??

No gamble No future

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 3:37 AM ET #37

Quote Originally Posted by Gochu4u:

Week 4, oaktown @ tenn, wasnt oaktown -1.5??

Meant week 3

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suuma

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 3:43 AM ET #38

Quote Originally Posted by Nycgags:

suuma -

My post clearly states HOU @ OAK game in Mexico City

Regarding the Hopkins call there is no indication that Hopkins is running on his toes. The official in my screen shot has a much more clear picture of where his foot his, from this camera angle it his clear his right foot is out of bounds. Stating this was a definitively "bad call" is hogwash, yes I used that word since I know it pushes your buttons.

The two plays "I don't talk about" is the Lamar Miller play which I give a very clear screen shot of where his right knee is down. Your two links are the same friggin link with a screen shot much further in the play sequence.

I know you are passionate to prove me wrong, but you need to think more clearly in the future otherwise you will keep embarrassing yourself.

You are talking about a game of which you didn't even know that it was played in Mexico in the first place. You tried to explain the impact of freezing temperatures on the Raiders team with a game played in a dome. So please come down from your high horse.

It's one tweet with two pictures of two different situations. Just click on the little arrow. Both situations have nothing to do with the play you have posted a screen of. They actually occured AFTER your play. Twice the runner had a clear first down but the refs called it short. That led to a turnover and an Oakland TD. I will also give you the times of the two plays:

4th quarter, 7:08 to go, 3rd & 2

-> Miller had a first down by almost one full yard, the ref placed the ball one yard behind the first down marker

4th quarter, 6:32 to go, 4th & 1

Akeem Hunt gets a clear first down, the refs called it short. Texans challenged and they still called it short.

Come back prepared next time. It's getting ugly for you.

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SPark1

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 3:53 AM ET #39

Not to mention road dog in the afternoon west division game

It's all probabilities

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 6:56 AM ET #40

Quote Originally Posted by wmi799:

Then put $10k on it

WHY JUST $10K IF IT IS A FIXED GAME?

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Achilles1629

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 7:55 AM ET #41

So nobody has predicted what the end result is going to be for this raiders team. I have been saying the same things about Oakland and Dallas that the OP has stated but ultimately wonder what people think happens come February. Does this young Oakland team last? Or do they fall short like carolina did last year? I think oakland is a good team but im not so sure they can keep things going into late january. Once again, thanks all.

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 8:10 AM ET #42

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Nycgags

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 8:44 AM ET #43

Quote Originally Posted by suuma:

1) https://twitter.com/RuskinLandreth/status/800928400537833474
2) https://twitter.com/RuskinLandreth/status/800928400537833474

Hey Genius, this is the same link if they both refer to the play immediately after the play I have a screen shot of, I already addressed it. Keep trying chachi.

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suuma

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 9:47 AM ET #44

Quote Originally Posted by Nycgags:

Hey Genius, this is the same link if they both refer to the play immediately after the play I have a screen shot of, I already addressed it. Keep trying chachi.

I've shown you two of the plays BB was referring to with the time stamps during the game. That's two bad calls already.

Keep looking stupid while trying to be smart.

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Nycgags

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Posted: Dec. 8, 2016 - 10:00 AM ET #45

* The Raiders are facing the roughest Thursday-night turn-around anybody has faced yet this season, having to fly two time zones East on just a few days rest and play in weather much colder than they’ve practiced in.

The Thursday games are always tough on the road team–you basically get a half- to a full-day’s less rest than the home team, and any second of rest is precious on a short week.

The Raiders, as a West Coast flying East (and losing hours just on the time change, plus the flight and preparation) have it about as bad as it gets on these things.

Home teams are currently 9-5 in Thursday games (not counting Week 1, when rest is not an issue), and one of those road wins was by Dallas two weeks ago after Dallas also played the previous Thursday (and therefore had a full week of rest).

More to the point: Every other team on the post-Week 1 Thursday schedule this season (including the three Thanksgiving games) had or will have a one-time-zone or no-time-zone trip.

(Carolina had a two-time-zone trip to Denver on the Week 1 Thursday, but again I’m not counting that week because there are no games before that one so rest is not an issue. Plus, the Carolina trip was West, which means they gained two hours.)

Except the Raiders.

Who have a two-time-zone trip. Heading East. Where they lose time.

Those are rare, and they are brutal. Remember when Jim Harbaugh (justifiably) went nuts because the 49ers had to travel three time zones for the Thanksgiving game in Baltimore? Of course they lost handily.

Thursday night games when both teams played the previous Sunday–as the Raiders and Chiefs both did–are very, very, very tilted to the home team.

And forcing a West Coast team to travel two time-zones to do it is as about as tilted as it gets.

* Overall, the Raiders’ 2016 schedule is a tough one, including the earlier Chiefs game, when KC had a bye before going to the Coliseum; the Raiders did not and got whomped and they were not entirely thrilled by schedule disparity.

Also, five of the Raiders’ first eight games were in the East, which puts a lot of tread on a team that can’t be ignored or wiped away.

Then they had the “home” game in Mexico City, which just added more miles–though I realize that was voluntary (as will next season’s “home” game in Mexico vs. New England, not yet official but headed that way)….

And now this tricky Thursday night road game to start three of their last four regular-season games on the road vs. division rivals.

* It is going to be cold on Thursday–not only in relation to Bay Area weather, just plain COLD, in the teens, and when the sun goes down, it will feel colder than that, I’m sure.

Hey, it’ll be cold for both teams, and I presume the Raiders will have the proper weather gear and hardiness to get through this.

But passing games in particular can get taken down by frigid cold–it’s just not easy to get a good grip on the ball and feel good about where the receivers are going to be when it’s icy–and we know that the Raiders have been at their best when Carr is flinging it without worry.

Can the Raiders win this by running the ball behind that OL and stopping the KC run? Yes, they certainly are capable. But it won’t be easy if they can’t count on Carr to come up with two last-quarter TDs, and they might not in this one.

It’s one more thing that will be different–and potentially troublesome–about this game for the Raiders.

* KC coach Andy Reid has had a recent mastery over the Raiders since he took the Chiefs–he’s 6-1 vs. the Raiders in three-plus seasons as Chiefs coach.

And Reid has specifically been tough on Del Rio–in his Raiders coaching career, Del Rio is 0-3 vs. Reid’s Chiefs and JDR isn’t all too pleased to hear about that.

On Sunday, asked about the Chiefs recent success, Del Rio was quick to point out that he did just fine vs. Reid and the Chiefs when he was Denver’s defensive coordinator.

But that doesn’t quite have the significance (in this game and this season) of what Reid has done to the Raiders vs. Del Rio and vs. the Raiders overall.

You can bet Del Rio has been thinking about this one ever since that Chiefs victory at the Coliseum, on Oct. 16, you could hear it right after the game when he described KC’s offense as “gimmicky,” and you know Del Rio does not want to go 0-4 vs. Reid.

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/12/07/everything-is-going-against-the-raiders-in-kansas-city-tomorrow-which-of-course-is-when-theyre-at-their-best/