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#51
i totally agree with you on that
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Why are the Saints -1 ?
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#52
malibu....i want serious talk.. you saying that there is no way that the book would take into consideration the fact that maybe the public is deff gonna play on one team..and that they(oddsmakers)think that the other team is gona show up.you dont think that goes into thier evaluation of the game??i realy cant think thats right..how could i think of that angel but oddsmaker doesnt?? dude their is way to much money out their for that not to be the case
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#53
in my opinion the packers are the team that people would think are better then the saints.. i would guess that alot of people think that getting greenbay +1!!! oh my god they should jump on it.. all they got to do is win!!!thats it not cover any spread!!just win!!
and then the saints come and upset that thought.
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#54
Sunday, November 23, 2008
Reggie Bush to miss Packers game
Jay Glazer of FOX Sports is reporting that Saints running back Reggie Bush will miss Monday night's game against the Packers.
Bush didn't participate in a Sunday walk-through practice. He is rehabilitating a torn meniscus.
The knee injury occurred Oct. 19 against the Panthers. Dr. James Andrews performed arthroscopic surgery the next day.
Bush didn't participate in a Sunday walk-through practice. He is rehabilitating a torn meniscus.
The knee injury occurred Oct. 19 against the Panthers. Dr. James Andrews performed arthroscopic surgery the next day.
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#55
Quote Originally Posted by golfandgamble:
We have two 5-5 teams, pretty evenly matched and GB traveling all the way to New Orleans to a place they haven't played since 2002 and are getting 1 ?
Saints and pack have split the last 4 meetings, but they did have Favre at Lambeau in those meetings.
Why aren't the Saints -3 at highest?
Thanks.
We have two 5-5 teams, pretty evenly matched and GB traveling all the way to New Orleans to a place they haven't played since 2002 and are getting 1 ?
Saints and pack have split the last 4 meetings, but they did have Favre at Lambeau in those meetings.
Why aren't the Saints -3 at highest?
Thanks.
I see the Packers as being a better overall team. Ryan Grant and the running game is finally coming along. The Saints on the other hand rely on Brees a little too much (he gets the job done more often than not) but you got to think their inability to run will hurt them. It has made them a inconsistent team.
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#56
Saints are very vulnerable against the pass, however their offense is DYNOMITE with Brees slinging the rock to anyone in a saints uniform. So I see a big running game from Ryan Gratn, which the saitns cant stop the run either too good, and that will keep the saints powerful O on the bench! GreenBay 27-17
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#58
everyone thinks there is no way the saints can stop the packers!!!OOOHHH NOOO.. when people are jacked up they make plays the saints playing in the dome for the first time in a while.. u know there will be some big party and fireworks be4 the game.....the saints are gonna score first drive.. half time score 24 17 packers.. final...35.31..saints is my prediction. saints are gonna play magical tonite..drew brees throw for 400yds....
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#59
well yes its so obvious that greenbay is a public dog and the saints are the smart play. but what did smart plays do for you yesterday? You would have lost with miami, kc, arizona, san diego. Those were the 4 biggest trap games yesterday and in all of them the public won. So right now they are hot. None of us know whats gonna happen tonight but these 2 teams are pretty evenly matched in this type of game. And having the line move down from 3 to 1 doesnt make it look like there is much smart money on new orleans anyways. Thats only gonna draw in more new orleans money. I dont know how big a game this really is but it is on monday night and i think green bay is the better team with the better defense. I havent bet yet but this yet but i think when i do im going to put my money on a team that understands how to play defense as that is what makes the best teams. Green Bay
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#60
ESPN's Suzy Kolber reports that the Saints will work Reggie Bush (knee)
out before Monday night's game before deciding whether to use him.
All
signs point to Bush being among New Orleans' eight inactives, but the
Saints will make sure he's incapable of helping them before sitting him
down. Pierre Thomas is expected to start and be backed up by Deuce
McAllister.
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#63
This line movement on MNF where Saints -3 now Saints -1 is the exact same line movment several wks ago when Pitt played at Skins -3 than went to -1 at game time. The consensus are exactly identical where the road dawg was a 56% public play. As we all know, Pitt won that game as a road public dawg.
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#65
heatseeker, let me enlighten you with some facts...you cant say the saints want to win this more than the pack because the pack is competing for a 3 way tie for first place in the NFC north
you think NO is a better team than GB? MORE BALANCED AS A DEFENSE AND OFFENSE THAN GB? i will not disagree that NO has a better offense but....they have NO defense, mike mckenzie, their best corner, is out for the year and aaron glenn is also out tonight..their short at the CB position...so WHO IS GOING TO GUARD JENNINGS AND DRIVER? NO has too many injuries...mark campbell (TE, the better run blocker) is out, charles grant (DE) is out, ...GB doesn't really have any crucial injuries besides Nick Barnett..but they still have AJ HAWK and BRADY POPPINGA..their corners are damn good and so are their safeties...
NO's injury plagued and shitty defense is going to make aaron rodgers and the receiving corps look like the #1 offense
home dome or not, NO is not good against teams with winning records..obviously they can score points but can their defense compliment? i dont think so
you think NO is a better team than GB? MORE BALANCED AS A DEFENSE AND OFFENSE THAN GB? i will not disagree that NO has a better offense but....they have NO defense, mike mckenzie, their best corner, is out for the year and aaron glenn is also out tonight..their short at the CB position...so WHO IS GOING TO GUARD JENNINGS AND DRIVER? NO has too many injuries...mark campbell (TE, the better run blocker) is out, charles grant (DE) is out, ...GB doesn't really have any crucial injuries besides Nick Barnett..but they still have AJ HAWK and BRADY POPPINGA..their corners are damn good and so are their safeties...
NO's injury plagued and shitty defense is going to make aaron rodgers and the receiving corps look like the #1 offense
home dome or not, NO is not good against teams with winning records..obviously they can score points but can their defense compliment? i dont think so
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#66
Quote Originally Posted by remaxjon:
Neither team plays D and the book is due after yesterday. The Saints and the over. Big plays all night by the Saints.
Neither team plays D and the book is due after yesterday. The Saints and the over. Big plays all night by the Saints.
GB doesn't play D? are they not leading the league with the most INTs? have you not seen them score defensive TDs lately? watch more football
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#69
Quote Originally Posted by remaxjon:
150 rushing yards a game and over 20 points a game while padding there stats playing the NFC north I do watch football the question is do you
150 rushing yards a game and over 20 points a game while padding there stats playing the NFC north I do watch football the question is do you
yes i know they are ranked like 29th against the rush, but they are also 3rd against the pass...and that is NO's strength...that being said, you cant say they dont play D...NO doesn't play D and now that mckenzie and aaron glenn are out...whos going to guard jennings and driver?
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#70
Quote Originally Posted by heatseeker2721:
in my opinion the packers are the team that people would think are better then the saints.. i would guess that alot of people think that getting greenbay +1!!! oh my god they should jump on it.. all they got to do is win!!!thats it not cover any spread!!just win!!
and then the saints come and upset that thought.
Not trying to be rude but you couldnt be more wrong about the way you think regarding line making and vegas. Hopefully this helps you change the way you think a little. Lines arent made to trap, fool, or confuse the betting public. Sportsbooks WANT even money on BOTH sides of a game to guarantee revenue. They are HAPPY when the public all goes one way and loses, but this is NOT what they are trying to acheive as NOBODY in this world can see or predict the future 100% of the time.
When linemakers discuss what an appropriate line should be the OBJECTIVE and ONLY objective is to create a 50/50 chance for BOTH teams to cover the spread therefore giving neither side an advantage and the EDGE to the house everytime because of vig.
Remember they are odds MAKERS, not gamblers like us. They arent trying to trick anybody and as a matter of fact they want to trick NOBODY as they would like guaranteed revenue on EVERY GAME.
Think about it, if you ran a sportsbook with thousands of bettors and made money on EVERY SINGLE GAME, it would amount to be quite significant.
As for the matchup...........Green bay is obviously a more balanced team with a much better defense and Mike McCarthy knows the saints organization very well as he worked there as the offensive coordinator for a few years. Also, the Packers matchup really well against the saints high powered passing offense sporting the third best pass defense in the NFL. Advantage Green Bay.
However, the public has a very short term memory and is overlooking the FACT that the saints play very well at home coming in at 4-1 this season vs a 2-3 road team in the packers. This means a lot as this is a must win do or die game for the saints if they have any shot in making the playoffs which is slim already. The Saints probably play ABOVE their heads tonight with all the excitement in that dome but I dont want to give Green Bay to much credit, the fact of the matter is they arent that good, they are 5-5 with their two road wins against Detroit (the worst team to EVER exist in the NFL) and Hasslebeckless Seattle probably the second worst team to ever exist in the NFL, 
.......Either way you look at this game, it goes back to my original point that lines are made to create a 50/50 chance for bettors to cash and this game will probably be a good example of one side catching a break to win. This is to close to bet on, u might as well flip a coin and say heads for new orleans and tails for green bay.
If GB's defense is able to create 2 or 3 turnovers like they have been so good at doing this season, GB wins, if not, NO wins.
BOL and GL all 
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Posted:
#71
Even though the pack is 3rd against the pass...NO has faced 4 top 10 pass defenses this year...the two on the road Brees threw for only 240 yards but the two at home he threw for 340 yards and 3 tds in each games...one of those games being against the bucs who is number 2 in the league
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Posted:
#72
Quote Originally Posted by ScottomonZ:
Even though the pack is 3rd against the pass...NO has faced 4 top 10 pass defenses this year...the two on the road Brees threw for only 240 yards but the two at home he threw for 340 yards and 3 tds in each games...one of those games being against the bucs who is number 2 in the league
Even though the pack is 3rd against the pass...NO has faced 4 top 10 pass defenses this year...the two on the road Brees threw for only 240 yards but the two at home he threw for 340 yards and 3 tds in each games...one of those games being against the bucs who is number 2 in the league
how about when the saints played the vikings on monday night?
if it wasn't for bush's 2 punt returns they would have gotten smoked against a pretty pathetic offense........
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Posted:
#73
This game is such a toss up and could go either way. The saints will score points at home but will they score enough to compensate for their poor defense, or will the defense just play over their heads tonight in a hostile environment, who knows, the best play is no play tonight but gl to those that take it.
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#74
Check that, taking over 51, Saints Avg 30.6 at home, pack avg 27.8 points per game on the road, saints becoming one dimensional to the pass, and have two starting corners out so pack should have some big pass plays.
Also, packers play man to man so you might see some big pass interference calls in the end zone against GB leading to quick punch in td's for NO.
GL ALL!!!!
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Posted:
#75
The Saints aint gonna do SHIT. They need BUSH FOR THAT GOOD FEILD POSITION. They need the deep long passes to stay in games. Man, their season is fucking done. Oh yeah, and guess who they play next week. Ive been waiting for this since week one, and them BUCS gonna get on that ASS next week.
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