Interesting and informative posts. Losing Pounce probably for a game or two does not help. Especially against New England without Brady in week 2. But that's no excuse. Management needs to plan for injuries with depth. I think Tannehill is a little better than average, and could become good under Gase. The receivers are terrific. So I concur that it all comes back to OL. Tunsil needs to learn quickly. Without a serviceable OL, forget anything on the ground from Ajai, or Foster too. Just continued nightmares despite a fantastic redone "Hard Rock Stadium" where the noise level for that defense has been expertly engineered by acoustic specialists who advised on the roof and placement of mammoth video screens to rival anything in Time Square. All good stuff, and exciting in south Florida ... if, and only if, the frigging O line cooperates. Jury still out.
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Interesting and informative posts. Losing Pounce probably for a game or two does not help. Especially against New England without Brady in week 2. But that's no excuse. Management needs to plan for injuries with depth. I think Tannehill is a little better than average, and could become good under Gase. The receivers are terrific. So I concur that it all comes back to OL. Tunsil needs to learn quickly. Without a serviceable OL, forget anything on the ground from Ajai, or Foster too. Just continued nightmares despite a fantastic redone "Hard Rock Stadium" where the noise level for that defense has been expertly engineered by acoustic specialists who advised on the roof and placement of mammoth video screens to rival anything in Time Square. All good stuff, and exciting in south Florida ... if, and only if, the frigging O line cooperates. Jury still out.
Miami is not good. They are not good because they have a mediocre QB, an overrated defense led by a bunch of non-leaders, and a weak head coach and overall staff. They are the worst team in their division. Easily. I get the sack ratio that Suuma alludes to, but bottom line is their QB is not a good enough consistently. Plain and Simple.
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Miami is not good. They are not good because they have a mediocre QB, an overrated defense led by a bunch of non-leaders, and a weak head coach and overall staff. They are the worst team in their division. Easily. I get the sack ratio that Suuma alludes to, but bottom line is their QB is not a good enough consistently. Plain and Simple.
Tannehill attended Big Spring High School, where he played high school football and basketball and ran track. He played 10 games at defensive back his sophomore season. As a junior, he passed for 2,510 yards and rushed for 922 at quarterback.
A great ALL AROUND athlete but you can't expect him to be a great QB in the NFL. He will show flashes of brilliance but you can't expect him to be better than QBs who play ONLY football and ONLY @ QB.
Andrew Luck attended Stratford High School, where he threw for 7,139 yards and 53 touchdowns in his high school career, and rushed for another 2,085 yards. Luck played ONLY at QB to the best of my knowledge.
Perfect. Glad you brought up Andrew Luck to strengthen the points about "O line play" and how it is relative to quality QB performance.
The Colts line was atrocious last year.
Ask Andrew Luck "What does a sprained shoulder, torn rib cage cartilage, and a bruised Kidney feel like?" Then ask him, "Since you've only played QB your entire life, shouldn't you be able to get over these hurdles?"
Oh wait, he didn't run track...
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Quote Originally Posted by gbpackman:
Tannehill attended Big Spring High School, where he played high school football and basketball and ran track. He played 10 games at defensive back his sophomore season. As a junior, he passed for 2,510 yards and rushed for 922 at quarterback.
A great ALL AROUND athlete but you can't expect him to be a great QB in the NFL. He will show flashes of brilliance but you can't expect him to be better than QBs who play ONLY football and ONLY @ QB.
Andrew Luck attended Stratford High School, where he threw for 7,139 yards and 53 touchdowns in his high school career, and rushed for another 2,085 yards. Luck played ONLY at QB to the best of my knowledge.
Perfect. Glad you brought up Andrew Luck to strengthen the points about "O line play" and how it is relative to quality QB performance.
The Colts line was atrocious last year.
Ask Andrew Luck "What does a sprained shoulder, torn rib cage cartilage, and a bruised Kidney feel like?" Then ask him, "Since you've only played QB your entire life, shouldn't you be able to get over these hurdles?"
Miami is not good. They are not good because they have a mediocre QB, an overrated defense led by a bunch of non-leaders, and a weak head coach and overall staff. They are the worst team in their division. Easily. I get the sack ratio that Suuma alludes to, but bottom line is their QB is not a good enough consistently. Plain and Simple.
Football isn't a one-man-show. QB is the most important position but it's still one position out of 13 on the offense. The other two are HC and OC.
Is Philip Rivers not good enough consistently because of his skills or his surrounding staff?
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Quote Originally Posted by Vanrush:
Miami is not good. They are not good because they have a mediocre QB, an overrated defense led by a bunch of non-leaders, and a weak head coach and overall staff. They are the worst team in their division. Easily. I get the sack ratio that Suuma alludes to, but bottom line is their QB is not a good enough consistently. Plain and Simple.
Football isn't a one-man-show. QB is the most important position but it's still one position out of 13 on the offense. The other two are HC and OC.
Is Philip Rivers not good enough consistently because of his skills or his surrounding staff?
The organization refuses to draft/sign another quarterback to challenge Tannehill. He is not the answer. Every one just looks at his stats but if you watch him the entire game he is not very good. Especially when it matters when the game is on the line or 3rd downs.
They have no cornerbacks this year and terrible linebackers..also they are a terrible tackling team.
They do have some good players like: Suh, Parker, Landry, Wake, Jones
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Quote Originally Posted by brianx:
I know its preseason but come on?
The organization refuses to draft/sign another quarterback to challenge Tannehill. He is not the answer. Every one just looks at his stats but if you watch him the entire game he is not very good. Especially when it matters when the game is on the line or 3rd downs.
They have no cornerbacks this year and terrible linebackers..also they are a terrible tackling team.
They do have some good players like: Suh, Parker, Landry, Wake, Jones
Football isn't a one-man-show. QB is the most important position but it's still one position out of 13 on the offense. The other two are HC and OC.
Is Philip Rivers not good enough consistently because of his skills or his surrounding staff?
No Phillip Rivers is good enough, Ryan Tannehill is not. Put Ryan Tannehill in a better situation and yes, of course he will be more successful, but he is not and has not proven to be any type of extraordinary QB that will LEAD, with help from others of course (really?), to a championship or deep into the playoffs. Phillip Rivers has proven he has more skills...I am simply talking about skill set. Some players just know how to win Summa, there is no metric or other equation that describes why, it just is. He has not shown near enough even with good protection and/or a healthy team to think he is the answer in Miami.
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Quote Originally Posted by suuma:
Football isn't a one-man-show. QB is the most important position but it's still one position out of 13 on the offense. The other two are HC and OC.
Is Philip Rivers not good enough consistently because of his skills or his surrounding staff?
No Phillip Rivers is good enough, Ryan Tannehill is not. Put Ryan Tannehill in a better situation and yes, of course he will be more successful, but he is not and has not proven to be any type of extraordinary QB that will LEAD, with help from others of course (really?), to a championship or deep into the playoffs. Phillip Rivers has proven he has more skills...I am simply talking about skill set. Some players just know how to win Summa, there is no metric or other equation that describes why, it just is. He has not shown near enough even with good protection and/or a healthy team to think he is the answer in Miami.
Let's get this thread back on track to better explain why the bet on Miami vs Dallas was lost. It wasn't Tannehill.
Here's his stat line: 12/20 162 8.1 2 0 1-4 119.2
He led his team on 4 drives in the 1st half - 2 for TDs, 1 ended on downs at the Dallas 5, 1 was a 3 and out. Normal regular season game, they kick a FG and Tannehill leads his team to 17 points in a half of football. That's pretty good.
What did lose your bet was:
1. The performance of the Miami QBs that followed for the next 31-32 minutes of the game.
Their stat line combined: 6/10 55 5.5 0 0 2-19 75.9
2. Dak Prescott - What can you say about this guy? He outplayed the Dolphin backup QBs. I would not say he outplayed Tannehill because Prescott wasn't facing 1st team D like Tannehill was.
His stat line: 12/15 199 13.3 200-0 158.3 Yards per attempt is out of this world! 8 yards/attempt is considered outstanding!
2. Turnovers - 1 fumble that led to 3 points.
3. Partial blocked punt that went 10 yards setting up a Dallas TD.
4. Miami Defense - They gave up 41 and 7.5 yards/play, 11 yards/pass attempt and 5 yards/rush and forced no turnovers. The only positive stat for the Miami D was they held the Cowboys to 2-9 on 3rd down.
I agree with whoever said that Miami has an overrated D. There D is average and will be ranked 13-20 in points/game.
To the guy who thinks Miami will win the AFC East, did you look at their schedule? 3 of 4 on the road all against playoff teams, plus you play the NFC West and the Chargers in SD, so that's 3 trips out West, you play the AFC North and those games after the Steelers and Ravens are tough because those two teams historically beat you up. Dolphins finish 6-10.
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Let's get this thread back on track to better explain why the bet on Miami vs Dallas was lost. It wasn't Tannehill.
Here's his stat line: 12/20 162 8.1 2 0 1-4 119.2
He led his team on 4 drives in the 1st half - 2 for TDs, 1 ended on downs at the Dallas 5, 1 was a 3 and out. Normal regular season game, they kick a FG and Tannehill leads his team to 17 points in a half of football. That's pretty good.
What did lose your bet was:
1. The performance of the Miami QBs that followed for the next 31-32 minutes of the game.
Their stat line combined: 6/10 55 5.5 0 0 2-19 75.9
2. Dak Prescott - What can you say about this guy? He outplayed the Dolphin backup QBs. I would not say he outplayed Tannehill because Prescott wasn't facing 1st team D like Tannehill was.
His stat line: 12/15 199 13.3 200-0 158.3 Yards per attempt is out of this world! 8 yards/attempt is considered outstanding!
2. Turnovers - 1 fumble that led to 3 points.
3. Partial blocked punt that went 10 yards setting up a Dallas TD.
4. Miami Defense - They gave up 41 and 7.5 yards/play, 11 yards/pass attempt and 5 yards/rush and forced no turnovers. The only positive stat for the Miami D was they held the Cowboys to 2-9 on 3rd down.
I agree with whoever said that Miami has an overrated D. There D is average and will be ranked 13-20 in points/game.
To the guy who thinks Miami will win the AFC East, did you look at their schedule? 3 of 4 on the road all against playoff teams, plus you play the NFC West and the Chargers in SD, so that's 3 trips out West, you play the AFC North and those games after the Steelers and Ravens are tough because those two teams historically beat you up. Dolphins finish 6-10.
Let's get this thread back on track to better explain why the bet on Miami vs Dallas was lost. It wasn't Tannehill.
Here's his stat line: 12/20 162 8.1 2 0 1-4 119.2
He led his team on 4 drives in the 1st half - 2 for TDs, 1 ended on downs at the Dallas 5, 1 was a 3 and out. Normal regular season game, they kick a FG and Tannehill leads his team to 17 points in a half of football. That's pretty good.
What did lose your bet was:
1. The performance of the Miami QBs that followed for the next 31-32 minutes of the game.
Their stat line combined: 6/10 55 5.5 0 0 2-19 75.9
2. Dak Prescott - What can you say about this guy? He outplayed the Dolphin backup QBs. I would not say he outplayed Tannehill because Prescott wasn't facing 1st team D like Tannehill was.
His stat line: 12/15 199 13.3 200-0 158.3 Yards per attempt is out of this world! 8 yards/attempt is considered outstanding!
2. Turnovers - 1 fumble that led to 3 points.
3. Partial blocked punt that went 10 yards setting up a Dallas TD.
4. Miami Defense - They gave up 41 and 7.5 yards/play, 11 yards/pass attempt and 5 yards/rush and forced no turnovers. The only positive stat for the Miami D was they held the Cowboys to 2-9 on 3rd down.
I agree with whoever said that Miami has an overrated D. There D is average and will be ranked 13-20 in points/game.
To the guy who thinks Miami will win the AFC East, did you look at their schedule? 3 of 4 on the road all against playoff teams, plus you play the NFC West and the Chargers in SD, so that's 3 trips out West, you play the AFC North and those games after the Steelers and Ravens are tough because those two teams historically beat you up. Dolphins finish 6-10.
Phenomenal
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Quote Originally Posted by Firebird27:
Let's get this thread back on track to better explain why the bet on Miami vs Dallas was lost. It wasn't Tannehill.
Here's his stat line: 12/20 162 8.1 2 0 1-4 119.2
He led his team on 4 drives in the 1st half - 2 for TDs, 1 ended on downs at the Dallas 5, 1 was a 3 and out. Normal regular season game, they kick a FG and Tannehill leads his team to 17 points in a half of football. That's pretty good.
What did lose your bet was:
1. The performance of the Miami QBs that followed for the next 31-32 minutes of the game.
Their stat line combined: 6/10 55 5.5 0 0 2-19 75.9
2. Dak Prescott - What can you say about this guy? He outplayed the Dolphin backup QBs. I would not say he outplayed Tannehill because Prescott wasn't facing 1st team D like Tannehill was.
His stat line: 12/15 199 13.3 200-0 158.3 Yards per attempt is out of this world! 8 yards/attempt is considered outstanding!
2. Turnovers - 1 fumble that led to 3 points.
3. Partial blocked punt that went 10 yards setting up a Dallas TD.
4. Miami Defense - They gave up 41 and 7.5 yards/play, 11 yards/pass attempt and 5 yards/rush and forced no turnovers. The only positive stat for the Miami D was they held the Cowboys to 2-9 on 3rd down.
I agree with whoever said that Miami has an overrated D. There D is average and will be ranked 13-20 in points/game.
To the guy who thinks Miami will win the AFC East, did you look at their schedule? 3 of 4 on the road all against playoff teams, plus you play the NFC West and the Chargers in SD, so that's 3 trips out West, you play the AFC North and those games after the Steelers and Ravens are tough because those two teams historically beat you up. Dolphins finish 6-10.
Let's get this thread back on track to better explain why the bet on Miami vs Dallas was lost. It wasn't Tannehill.
Here's his stat line: 12/20 162 8.1 2 0 1-4 119.2
He led his team on 4 drives in the 1st half - 2 for TDs, 1 ended on downs at the Dallas 5, 1 was a 3 and out. Normal regular season game, they kick a FG and Tannehill leads his team to 17 points in a half of football. That's pretty good.
What did lose your bet was:
1. The performance of the Miami QBs that followed for the next 31-32 minutes of the game.
Their stat line combined: 6/10 55 5.5 0 0 2-19 75.9
2. Dak Prescott - What can you say about this guy? He outplayed the Dolphin backup QBs. I would not say he outplayed Tannehill because Prescott wasn't facing 1st team D like Tannehill was.
His stat line: 12/15 199 13.3 200-0 158.3 Yards per attempt is out of this world! 8 yards/attempt is considered outstanding!
2. Turnovers - 1 fumble that led to 3 points.
3. Partial blocked punt that went 10 yards setting up a Dallas TD.
4. Miami Defense - They gave up 41 and 7.5 yards/play, 11 yards/pass attempt and 5 yards/rush and forced no turnovers. The only positive stat for the Miami D was they held the Cowboys to 2-9 on 3rd down.
I agree with whoever said that Miami has an overrated D. There D is average and will be ranked 13-20 in points/game.
To the guy who thinks Miami will win the AFC East, did you look at their schedule? 3 of 4 on the road all against playoff teams, plus you play the NFC West and the Chargers in SD, so that's 3 trips out West, you play the AFC North and those games after the Steelers and Ravens are tough because those two teams historically beat you up. Dolphins finish 6-10.
I agree Phenomenal write up
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Quote Originally Posted by Firebird27:
Let's get this thread back on track to better explain why the bet on Miami vs Dallas was lost. It wasn't Tannehill.
Here's his stat line: 12/20 162 8.1 2 0 1-4 119.2
He led his team on 4 drives in the 1st half - 2 for TDs, 1 ended on downs at the Dallas 5, 1 was a 3 and out. Normal regular season game, they kick a FG and Tannehill leads his team to 17 points in a half of football. That's pretty good.
What did lose your bet was:
1. The performance of the Miami QBs that followed for the next 31-32 minutes of the game.
Their stat line combined: 6/10 55 5.5 0 0 2-19 75.9
2. Dak Prescott - What can you say about this guy? He outplayed the Dolphin backup QBs. I would not say he outplayed Tannehill because Prescott wasn't facing 1st team D like Tannehill was.
His stat line: 12/15 199 13.3 200-0 158.3 Yards per attempt is out of this world! 8 yards/attempt is considered outstanding!
2. Turnovers - 1 fumble that led to 3 points.
3. Partial blocked punt that went 10 yards setting up a Dallas TD.
4. Miami Defense - They gave up 41 and 7.5 yards/play, 11 yards/pass attempt and 5 yards/rush and forced no turnovers. The only positive stat for the Miami D was they held the Cowboys to 2-9 on 3rd down.
I agree with whoever said that Miami has an overrated D. There D is average and will be ranked 13-20 in points/game.
To the guy who thinks Miami will win the AFC East, did you look at their schedule? 3 of 4 on the road all against playoff teams, plus you play the NFC West and the Chargers in SD, so that's 3 trips out West, you play the AFC North and those games after the Steelers and Ravens are tough because those two teams historically beat you up. Dolphins finish 6-10.
The Dolphins starting guards and center haven't had a single start at their relative positions, they are all converted tackles. It's Gase's first year at head coach, and both coordinators 1st year as well.
Is that correct? If so I will find it hard to back that with my hard earned money, at least early on.
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Food for thought...
The Dolphins starting guards and center haven't had a single start at their relative positions, they are all converted tackles. It's Gase's first year at head coach, and both coordinators 1st year as well.
Is that correct? If so I will find it hard to back that with my hard earned money, at least early on.
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