What's the deal with all of this crap of teams being at the goal line needing a yard for a TD, or getting a first down. They have the QB in shotgun, so guess what coach now instead of needing a yard or a few inches, you need 5 yards. Great call, and the defense knows what he hell you're going to do. People don't get suspicious of this constant stupid ass play calling???
Line the QB up behind center, and go right behind the center. If you can't go a yard or a half yard in 4 plays, you don't deserve to get it. But being 5 yards in the backfield is just DUMB!!!!
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What's the deal with all of this crap of teams being at the goal line needing a yard for a TD, or getting a first down. They have the QB in shotgun, so guess what coach now instead of needing a yard or a few inches, you need 5 yards. Great call, and the defense knows what he hell you're going to do. People don't get suspicious of this constant stupid ass play calling???
Line the QB up behind center, and go right behind the center. If you can't go a yard or a half yard in 4 plays, you don't deserve to get it. But being 5 yards in the backfield is just DUMB!!!!
Everybody is always second guessing everything. Why? The Bears have been getting their tails handed to them for 30 years. The Coach in my opinion just decided we are NOT doing the same things we have done for the last 30 years. We are going to do things differently until we find success. They are finding success, as they just did something the Packers have not been able to do in 4 years, and that is beat San Fran! They missed success in terms of inches last night, even though the score does not reflect that.
Sometimes you can create confusion on the defense with a semi-goofy lineup. I'm guessing the defensive players were wondering just what Chicago was up to. They may have started second guessing a convergence of the team on a scrum surrounding the center to stop a run or maybe the odd formation causes some of the Packers to shift out of position, or just causes a second of confusion, that's all you need. Not sure if some of you saw the slow motion replays, but there was a crease straight to the end zone should Field's opted to cut right instead of left. He would have the T.D almost untouched. Collinsworth even pointed it out. The formation idea it self was not a horrible idea, as it did provide the needed opening to the end zone...Fields just did not see the daylight.
Collinsworth is a pretty smart guy and was critical of the play...so maybe I'm just full of crap.( but, does show if Collinswoth was a defensive player on the field, he would be going what WTF?...kinda illustrates my point) I'm giving the coach a pass on this one. This coach has done enough things right with the Chicago Bears as to not burn him at the stake over this.
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Everybody is always second guessing everything. Why? The Bears have been getting their tails handed to them for 30 years. The Coach in my opinion just decided we are NOT doing the same things we have done for the last 30 years. We are going to do things differently until we find success. They are finding success, as they just did something the Packers have not been able to do in 4 years, and that is beat San Fran! They missed success in terms of inches last night, even though the score does not reflect that.
Sometimes you can create confusion on the defense with a semi-goofy lineup. I'm guessing the defensive players were wondering just what Chicago was up to. They may have started second guessing a convergence of the team on a scrum surrounding the center to stop a run or maybe the odd formation causes some of the Packers to shift out of position, or just causes a second of confusion, that's all you need. Not sure if some of you saw the slow motion replays, but there was a crease straight to the end zone should Field's opted to cut right instead of left. He would have the T.D almost untouched. Collinsworth even pointed it out. The formation idea it self was not a horrible idea, as it did provide the needed opening to the end zone...Fields just did not see the daylight.
Collinsworth is a pretty smart guy and was critical of the play...so maybe I'm just full of crap.( but, does show if Collinswoth was a defensive player on the field, he would be going what WTF?...kinda illustrates my point) I'm giving the coach a pass on this one. This coach has done enough things right with the Chicago Bears as to not burn him at the stake over this.
familiarity. those QB always take snaps from shotgun and are used to receiving snaps that way. The center is used to long snapping the ball. To suddenly change that can cause bad snaps and also indicate to the defense a QB sneak is definitely coming.
i think i'd rather see them have a special package with a backup QB perhaps and QB sneak it that way. Having the RB push the QB always seems to help.
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familiarity. those QB always take snaps from shotgun and are used to receiving snaps that way. The center is used to long snapping the ball. To suddenly change that can cause bad snaps and also indicate to the defense a QB sneak is definitely coming.
i think i'd rather see them have a special package with a backup QB perhaps and QB sneak it that way. Having the RB push the QB always seems to help.
You ask this and yet... You Will buy any answer the NFL gives you.
No I don't listen to any of their lies they spew. They have total control of these games. Rules etc. I watched a game last week between Bengals / Steelers. Burrow got sacked within the final two minutes of the game, and he fumbled. His RB picked up the ball and ran another 12 to 13 yards. Now the officials threw a flag. The call was in the final two minutes, only the person whom fumbled can advance it. if it's anyone else the ball is ruled dead right where the recovery was made.
Now why have this kind of rule? It's within the final two minutes, so why have this? If you don't have this rule during the whole game take effect, why take it away from the game to have this kind of rule SPECIFICALLY for only within the final two minutes of the game? Shit can happen. More control if you ask me.
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Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:
You ask this and yet... You Will buy any answer the NFL gives you.
No I don't listen to any of their lies they spew. They have total control of these games. Rules etc. I watched a game last week between Bengals / Steelers. Burrow got sacked within the final two minutes of the game, and he fumbled. His RB picked up the ball and ran another 12 to 13 yards. Now the officials threw a flag. The call was in the final two minutes, only the person whom fumbled can advance it. if it's anyone else the ball is ruled dead right where the recovery was made.
Now why have this kind of rule? It's within the final two minutes, so why have this? If you don't have this rule during the whole game take effect, why take it away from the game to have this kind of rule SPECIFICALLY for only within the final two minutes of the game? Shit can happen. More control if you ask me.
I've seen coaches rookie or not run the same damn play 4 times in a row. Fresno State did late Saturday night again USC. They had if first and goal from the one. They had the QB in a shotgun all 4 downs. They didn't get a yard. It's like really you can't have the QB just run up the middle for a yard????? You also can't bring in 4 WR's spread the field and then have one on one up the middle for the yard? It's pretty simple. If Fresno Scored, I would have won my live bet over. Just amazing how it all ends up
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Quote Originally Posted by Seahawks14:
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I've seen coaches rookie or not run the same damn play 4 times in a row. Fresno State did late Saturday night again USC. They had if first and goal from the one. They had the QB in a shotgun all 4 downs. They didn't get a yard. It's like really you can't have the QB just run up the middle for a yard????? You also can't bring in 4 WR's spread the field and then have one on one up the middle for the yard? It's pretty simple. If Fresno Scored, I would have won my live bet over. Just amazing how it all ends up
What's the deal with all of this crap of teams being at the goal line needing a yard for a TD, or getting a first down. They have the QB in shotgun, so guess what coach now instead of needing a yard or a few inches, you need 5 yards. Great call, and the defense knows what he hell you're going to do. People don't get suspicious of this constant stupid ass play calling??? Line the QB up behind center, and go right behind the center. If you can't go a yard or a half yard in 4 plays, you don't deserve to get it. But being 5 yards in the backfield is just DUMB!!!!
An age old argument. Being devil's advocate: If your team needs half a yard vs a team with a solid D Line but weak secondary/backs and you try up the middle FB or QB sneak and get it 3 of 10 - but end around from the shot gun or QB short pass or RPO based on what you read on the D, from the safety of the shotgun you convert 6 of 10, what do you do?
I know it makes sense not to flip the ball back 6 yards behind and start 7 yards back from your target but there is something to be said (not always) about allowing the play to develop in order to be able to adjust in that extra 2 seconds you bought by starting from the gun.
A lot of times the play would have been an up the middle sneak from under center but the personnel of the D when your team is about to line up warrants a change of play from the sneak/run under center to the gun due to a solid mis match on one side and having your RB being able to beat them on the corner for that single yard, or a pass/pitch to the flat from the comfort of the gun.
Where are the safeties? Are there safeties? Another question.
It's real easy after the play doesn't work to say that the call was dumb but so many times the "right" call doesn't work either.
In regards to pitching the ball backwards 5 yards to the RB when you only need a yard or two on 3rd, think Barry Sanders the the O line opening up holes and him making cuts to the right area. Sometimes the best way forwards is starting from a few yards backwards.
Just another way to think about it and this is 100% why it's done.
If there was an NFL rule that every down and <=1 to go must be a QB sneak or RB up the middle and no other play, the D would stop it 8 out of 10 times.
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Quote Originally Posted by Tressel33:
What's the deal with all of this crap of teams being at the goal line needing a yard for a TD, or getting a first down. They have the QB in shotgun, so guess what coach now instead of needing a yard or a few inches, you need 5 yards. Great call, and the defense knows what he hell you're going to do. People don't get suspicious of this constant stupid ass play calling??? Line the QB up behind center, and go right behind the center. If you can't go a yard or a half yard in 4 plays, you don't deserve to get it. But being 5 yards in the backfield is just DUMB!!!!
An age old argument. Being devil's advocate: If your team needs half a yard vs a team with a solid D Line but weak secondary/backs and you try up the middle FB or QB sneak and get it 3 of 10 - but end around from the shot gun or QB short pass or RPO based on what you read on the D, from the safety of the shotgun you convert 6 of 10, what do you do?
I know it makes sense not to flip the ball back 6 yards behind and start 7 yards back from your target but there is something to be said (not always) about allowing the play to develop in order to be able to adjust in that extra 2 seconds you bought by starting from the gun.
A lot of times the play would have been an up the middle sneak from under center but the personnel of the D when your team is about to line up warrants a change of play from the sneak/run under center to the gun due to a solid mis match on one side and having your RB being able to beat them on the corner for that single yard, or a pass/pitch to the flat from the comfort of the gun.
Where are the safeties? Are there safeties? Another question.
It's real easy after the play doesn't work to say that the call was dumb but so many times the "right" call doesn't work either.
In regards to pitching the ball backwards 5 yards to the RB when you only need a yard or two on 3rd, think Barry Sanders the the O line opening up holes and him making cuts to the right area. Sometimes the best way forwards is starting from a few yards backwards.
Just another way to think about it and this is 100% why it's done.
If there was an NFL rule that every down and <=1 to go must be a QB sneak or RB up the middle and no other play, the D would stop it 8 out of 10 times.
Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals: You ask this and yet... You Will buy any answer the NFL gives you. No I don't listen to any of their lies they spew. They have total control of these games. Rules etc. I watched a game last week between Bengals / Steelers. Burrow got sacked within the final two minutes of the game, and he fumbled. His RB picked up the ball and ran another 12 to 13 yards. Now the officials threw a flag. The call was in the final two minutes, only the person whom fumbled can advance it. if it's anyone else the ball is ruled dead right where the recovery was made. Now why have this kind of rule? It's within the final two minutes, so why have this? If you don't have this rule during the whole game take effect, why take it away from the game to have this kind of rule SPECIFICALLY for only within the final two minutes of the game? Shit can happen. More control if you ask me.
Tell us you don't understand football without telling us you don't understand football. That rule is in place to prevent teams from using fumbles as forward audibles. It specifies the final two minutes to prevent desperation plays where the advancing team "fumbles" forward as a way of advancing the ball in last ditch effort situations.
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Quote Originally Posted by Tressel33:
Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals: You ask this and yet... You Will buy any answer the NFL gives you. No I don't listen to any of their lies they spew. They have total control of these games. Rules etc. I watched a game last week between Bengals / Steelers. Burrow got sacked within the final two minutes of the game, and he fumbled. His RB picked up the ball and ran another 12 to 13 yards. Now the officials threw a flag. The call was in the final two minutes, only the person whom fumbled can advance it. if it's anyone else the ball is ruled dead right where the recovery was made. Now why have this kind of rule? It's within the final two minutes, so why have this? If you don't have this rule during the whole game take effect, why take it away from the game to have this kind of rule SPECIFICALLY for only within the final two minutes of the game? Shit can happen. More control if you ask me.
Tell us you don't understand football without telling us you don't understand football. That rule is in place to prevent teams from using fumbles as forward audibles. It specifies the final two minutes to prevent desperation plays where the advancing team "fumbles" forward as a way of advancing the ball in last ditch effort situations.
As far as going shotgun, 1) It's simply because it's the set a QB/offense is most familiar/comfortable with, and/or 2) It allows a play to develop in a way that gives you time to read and react.
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As far as going shotgun, 1) It's simply because it's the set a QB/offense is most familiar/comfortable with, and/or 2) It allows a play to develop in a way that gives you time to read and react.
Quote Originally Posted by Tressel33: Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals: You ask this and yet... You Will buy any answer the NFL gives you. No I don't listen to any of their lies they spew. They have total control of these games. Rules etc. I watched a game last week between Bengals / Steelers. Burrow got sacked within the final two minutes of the game, and he fumbled. His RB picked up the ball and ran another 12 to 13 yards. Now the officials threw a flag. The call was in the final two minutes, only the person whom fumbled can advance it. if it's anyone else the ball is ruled dead right where the recovery was made. Now why have this kind of rule? It's within the final two minutes, so why have this? If you don't have this rule during the whole game take effect, why take it away from the game to have this kind of rule SPECIFICALLY for only within the final two minutes of the game? Shit can happen. More control if you ask me. Tell us you don't understand football without telling us you don't understand football.
That rule is in place to prevent teams from using fumbles as forward audibles. It specifies the final two minutes to prevent desperation plays where the advancing team "fumbles" forward as a way of advancing the ball in last ditch effort situations.
Then why not the entire game as he asked? You're just letting the NFL tell you what to think.
It's simply another way to control and manipulate a game. The NFL.is saying we decide when and how you win or lose. We can't allow something out if our controll happening ,so we don't get the desired outcome when the game is almost over.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by Tressel33: Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals: You ask this and yet... You Will buy any answer the NFL gives you. No I don't listen to any of their lies they spew. They have total control of these games. Rules etc. I watched a game last week between Bengals / Steelers. Burrow got sacked within the final two minutes of the game, and he fumbled. His RB picked up the ball and ran another 12 to 13 yards. Now the officials threw a flag. The call was in the final two minutes, only the person whom fumbled can advance it. if it's anyone else the ball is ruled dead right where the recovery was made. Now why have this kind of rule? It's within the final two minutes, so why have this? If you don't have this rule during the whole game take effect, why take it away from the game to have this kind of rule SPECIFICALLY for only within the final two minutes of the game? Shit can happen. More control if you ask me. Tell us you don't understand football without telling us you don't understand football.
That rule is in place to prevent teams from using fumbles as forward audibles. It specifies the final two minutes to prevent desperation plays where the advancing team "fumbles" forward as a way of advancing the ball in last ditch effort situations.
Then why not the entire game as he asked? You're just letting the NFL tell you what to think.
It's simply another way to control and manipulate a game. The NFL.is saying we decide when and how you win or lose. We can't allow something out if our controll happening ,so we don't get the desired outcome when the game is almost over.
Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals: You ask this and yet... You Will buy any answer the NFL gives you. No I don't listen to any of their lies they spew. They have total control of these games. Rules etc. I watched a game last week between Bengals / Steelers. Burrow got sacked within the final two minutes of the game, and he fumbled. His RB picked up the ball and ran another 12 to 13 yards. Now the officials threw a flag. The call was in the final two minutes, only the person whom fumbled can advance it. if it's anyone else the ball is ruled dead right where the recovery was made. Now why have this kind of rule? It's within the final two minutes, so why have this? If you don't have this rule during the whole game take effect, why take it away from the game to have this kind of rule SPECIFICALLY for only within the final two minutes of the game? Shit can happen. More control if you ask me.
And the rule was made because of the Raiders against Chargers game ,years ago.
And it's happened twice in two weeks. A Raiders hint I would think.
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Quote Originally Posted by Tressel33:
Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals: You ask this and yet... You Will buy any answer the NFL gives you. No I don't listen to any of their lies they spew. They have total control of these games. Rules etc. I watched a game last week between Bengals / Steelers. Burrow got sacked within the final two minutes of the game, and he fumbled. His RB picked up the ball and ran another 12 to 13 yards. Now the officials threw a flag. The call was in the final two minutes, only the person whom fumbled can advance it. if it's anyone else the ball is ruled dead right where the recovery was made. Now why have this kind of rule? It's within the final two minutes, so why have this? If you don't have this rule during the whole game take effect, why take it away from the game to have this kind of rule SPECIFICALLY for only within the final two minutes of the game? Shit can happen. More control if you ask me.
And the rule was made because of the Raiders against Chargers game ,years ago.
And it's happened twice in two weeks. A Raiders hint I would think.
Quote Originally Posted by Tressel33: Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals: You ask this and yet... You Will buy any answer the NFL gives you. No I don't listen to any of their lies they spew. They have total control of these games. Rules etc. I watched a game last week between Bengals / Steelers. Burrow got sacked within the final two minutes of the game, and he fumbled. His RB picked up the ball and ran another 12 to 13 yards. Now the officials threw a flag. The call was in the final two minutes, only the person whom fumbled can advance it. if it's anyone else the ball is ruled dead right where the recovery was made. Now why have this kind of rule? It's within the final two minutes, so why have this? If you don't have this rule during the whole game take effect, why take it away from the game to have this kind of rule SPECIFICALLY for only within the final two minutes of the game? Shit can happen. More control if you ask me. Tell us you don't understand football without telling us you don't understand football. That rule is in place to prevent teams from using fumbles as forward audibles. It specifies the final two minutes to prevent desperation plays where the advancing team "fumbles" forward as a way of advancing the ball in last ditch effort situations.
No, I know football. But this makes sense for sure.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by Tressel33: Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals: You ask this and yet... You Will buy any answer the NFL gives you. No I don't listen to any of their lies they spew. They have total control of these games. Rules etc. I watched a game last week between Bengals / Steelers. Burrow got sacked within the final two minutes of the game, and he fumbled. His RB picked up the ball and ran another 12 to 13 yards. Now the officials threw a flag. The call was in the final two minutes, only the person whom fumbled can advance it. if it's anyone else the ball is ruled dead right where the recovery was made. Now why have this kind of rule? It's within the final two minutes, so why have this? If you don't have this rule during the whole game take effect, why take it away from the game to have this kind of rule SPECIFICALLY for only within the final two minutes of the game? Shit can happen. More control if you ask me. Tell us you don't understand football without telling us you don't understand football. That rule is in place to prevent teams from using fumbles as forward audibles. It specifies the final two minutes to prevent desperation plays where the advancing team "fumbles" forward as a way of advancing the ball in last ditch effort situations.
No, I know football. But this makes sense for sure.
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