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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2011 - 7:08 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by D-Play:

    Over 76.5

    1.Most Points: Julian Khazzouh @ 1.90


    2.Kings-3

    Didnt Bose score the most points for the Kings? Or was it a head to head player performance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Play:

    Over 76.5

    1.Most Points: Julian Khazzouh @ 1.90


    2.Kings-3

    Didnt Bose score the most points for the Kings? Or was it a head to head player performance?

     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2011 - 7:11 AM ET #27

    Rostos, Bose wasn't in the group of players named in the prop bet, good thing otherwise i would've lossed
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    Rostos, Bose wasn't in the group of players named in the prop bet, good thing otherwise i would've lossed
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2011 - 7:14 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Its all the refs....

    They are determining the totals with there calls...


    just hilarious how as soon as the 'over' looked in serious trouble - BOOM - unsportsmanlike fouls and free throws galore 

    this is the most bizarre start to a season I've ever seen in this league. Some of the patterns and trends thus far have been seriously weird 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Its all the refs....

    They are determining the totals with there calls...


    just hilarious how as soon as the 'over' looked in serious trouble - BOOM - unsportsmanlike fouls and free throws galore 

    this is the most bizarre start to a season I've ever seen in this league. Some of the patterns and trends thus far have been seriously weird 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2011 - 7:18 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by D-Play:

    Rostos, Bose wasn't in the group of players named in the prop bet, good thing otherwise i would've lossed

    Aha, so it was a player performance group

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Play:

    Rostos, Bose wasn't in the group of players named in the prop bet, good thing otherwise i would've lossed

    Aha, so it was a player performance group

     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2011 - 7:25 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by Jive_Turkey:


    just hilarious how as soon as the 'over' looked in serious trouble - BOOM - unsportsmanlike fouls and free throws galore 

    this is the most bizarre start to a season I've ever seen in this league. Some of the patterns and trends thus far have been seriously weird 


    I hear ya JT, nothing is surprising anymore in this bullshit league. Doesn't help that the game is no longer live on tv sucks!!! Will catch the replay tonight but check out the boxscores for rd1 Hawks v Breakers, exact same thing happened as tonight.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jive_Turkey:


    just hilarious how as soon as the 'over' looked in serious trouble - BOOM - unsportsmanlike fouls and free throws galore 

    this is the most bizarre start to a season I've ever seen in this league. Some of the patterns and trends thus far have been seriously weird 


    I hear ya JT, nothing is surprising anymore in this bullshit league. Doesn't help that the game is no longer live on tv sucks!!! Will catch the replay tonight but check out the boxscores for rd1 Hawks v Breakers, exact same thing happened as tonight.  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2011 - 7:35 AM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by D-Play:



    I hear ya JT, nothing is surprising anymore in this bullshit league. Doesn't help that the game is no longer live on tv sucks!!! Will catch the replay tonight but check out the boxscores for rd1 Hawks v Breakers, exact same thing happened as tonight.  

    imo totals are unbettable at the moment. They're impossible to cap. The games that are loaded with scorers seem to be the get nowhere near the number and matchups that look extremely underish are like golden state vs phoenix on red cordial 

    it's pointless whining about it but I just cannot get a feel for NBL totals under the 40 min format. 
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    I hear ya JT, nothing is surprising anymore in this bullshit league. Doesn't help that the game is no longer live on tv sucks!!! Will catch the replay tonight but check out the boxscores for rd1 Hawks v Breakers, exact same thing happened as tonight.  

    imo totals are unbettable at the moment. They're impossible to cap. The games that are loaded with scorers seem to be the get nowhere near the number and matchups that look extremely underish are like golden state vs phoenix on red cordial 

    it's pointless whining about it but I just cannot get a feel for NBL totals under the 40 min format. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2011 - 6:51 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by D-Play:



    I hear ya JT, nothing is surprising anymore in this bullshit league. Doesn't help that the game is no longer live on tv sucks!!! Will catch the replay tonight but check out the boxscores for rd1 Hawks v Breakers, exact same thing happened as tonight.  

    Hey guys, not having a shot or anything here, but having watched both of the Hawks games mentioned I can safely say there was nothing suspect going on in either. Basically it all comes down to the way Gordie McLeod coaches.

    In both situations his team was down by around 8 points and he is shrewd enough to realise in that situation you need to conserve time on the clock to give yourself the best opportunity to make up the deficit. The best way to do this is to foul to stop the clock and then hope they miss, thus giving you a chance to make a shot and bridge the deficit.

    Last night it nearly worked as the tactic got them back to within two points with 15 seconds to go as the Kings missed some FT's and turned the ball over. The first time they did it against NZ it failed as the Breakers hit all their FT's and never turned the ball over.

    Also, for anyone that believes there are fixes going on in the NBL I can tell you right now if it is there aren't many people making much money as the holds on these games are very small in comparison to major sports like AFL and NRL.

    Anywho, just my two cents.

    Cheers,
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    I hear ya JT, nothing is surprising anymore in this bullshit league. Doesn't help that the game is no longer live on tv sucks!!! Will catch the replay tonight but check out the boxscores for rd1 Hawks v Breakers, exact same thing happened as tonight.  

    Hey guys, not having a shot or anything here, but having watched both of the Hawks games mentioned I can safely say there was nothing suspect going on in either. Basically it all comes down to the way Gordie McLeod coaches.

    In both situations his team was down by around 8 points and he is shrewd enough to realise in that situation you need to conserve time on the clock to give yourself the best opportunity to make up the deficit. The best way to do this is to foul to stop the clock and then hope they miss, thus giving you a chance to make a shot and bridge the deficit.

    Last night it nearly worked as the tactic got them back to within two points with 15 seconds to go as the Kings missed some FT's and turned the ball over. The first time they did it against NZ it failed as the Breakers hit all their FT's and never turned the ball over.

    Also, for anyone that believes there are fixes going on in the NBL I can tell you right now if it is there aren't many people making much money as the holds on these games are very small in comparison to major sports like AFL and NRL.

    Anywho, just my two cents.

    Cheers,
    Sparks


     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2011 - 9:20 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by sparkus8:


    Hey guys, not having a shot or anything here, but having watched both of the Hawks games mentioned I can safely say there was nothing suspect going on in either. Basically it all comes down to the way Gordie McLeod coaches.

    In both situations his team was down by around 8 points and he is shrewd enough to realise in that situation you need to conserve time on the clock to give yourself the best opportunity to make up the deficit. The best way to do this is to foul to stop the clock and then hope they miss, thus giving you a chance to make a shot and bridge the deficit.

    Last night it nearly worked as the tactic got them back to within two points with 15 seconds to go as the Kings missed some FT's and turned the ball over. The first time they did it against NZ it failed as the Breakers hit all their FT's and never turned the ball over.

    Also, for anyone that believes there are fixes going on in the NBL I can tell you right now if it is there aren't many people making much money as the holds on these games are very small in comparison to major sports like AFL and NRL.

    Anywho, just my two cents.

    Cheers,
    Sparks




    sparkus I understand that tactic but I'm not aware of him employing it 5 mins out from full time?

    I could understand say the last 2min they foul like crazy and score over 20 points (see it plenty of times before), but to start fouling that far out seems very odd to me.
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    Hey guys, not having a shot or anything here, but having watched both of the Hawks games mentioned I can safely say there was nothing suspect going on in either. Basically it all comes down to the way Gordie McLeod coaches.

    In both situations his team was down by around 8 points and he is shrewd enough to realise in that situation you need to conserve time on the clock to give yourself the best opportunity to make up the deficit. The best way to do this is to foul to stop the clock and then hope they miss, thus giving you a chance to make a shot and bridge the deficit.

    Last night it nearly worked as the tactic got them back to within two points with 15 seconds to go as the Kings missed some FT's and turned the ball over. The first time they did it against NZ it failed as the Breakers hit all their FT's and never turned the ball over.

    Also, for anyone that believes there are fixes going on in the NBL I can tell you right now if it is there aren't many people making much money as the holds on these games are very small in comparison to major sports like AFL and NRL.

    Anywho, just my two cents.

    Cheers,
    Sparks




    sparkus I understand that tactic but I'm not aware of him employing it 5 mins out from full time?

    I could understand say the last 2min they foul like crazy and score over 20 points (see it plenty of times before), but to start fouling that far out seems very odd to me.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 23, 2011 - 10:48 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:



    sparkus I understand that tactic but I'm not aware of him employing it 5 mins out from full time?

    I could understand say the last 2min they foul like crazy and score over 20 points (see it plenty of times before), but to start fouling that far out seems very odd to me.

    Last night they didn't start actually start the fouling tactic until a touch over a minute to go when Demos tried to foul Bruce and then got called for an unsportsmanlike on the foul (which was a very soft call!).

    Before that though from about the 5min mark to the last minute Wollongong were forced to speed up the offence and unfortunately for any under backers they hit a lot of shots. In turn the Hawks also put on an aggressive press defence in that time and the Kings were able to break that down quickly thus getting some very cheap and quick buckets at the other end.

    In the game against the Breakers a couple of weeks ago they started fouling about 3 mins from the end of the game and that game got crazy as the Breakers barely missed a FT, but the Hawks kept hitting their shots quickly as well so every time that happened they were virtually forced to foul again.

    Anyway's good to see some people discussing NBL ;)
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    sparkus I understand that tactic but I'm not aware of him employing it 5 mins out from full time?

    I could understand say the last 2min they foul like crazy and score over 20 points (see it plenty of times before), but to start fouling that far out seems very odd to me.

    Last night they didn't start actually start the fouling tactic until a touch over a minute to go when Demos tried to foul Bruce and then got called for an unsportsmanlike on the foul (which was a very soft call!).

    Before that though from about the 5min mark to the last minute Wollongong were forced to speed up the offence and unfortunately for any under backers they hit a lot of shots. In turn the Hawks also put on an aggressive press defence in that time and the Kings were able to break that down quickly thus getting some very cheap and quick buckets at the other end.

    In the game against the Breakers a couple of weeks ago they started fouling about 3 mins from the end of the game and that game got crazy as the Breakers barely missed a FT, but the Hawks kept hitting their shots quickly as well so every time that happened they were virtually forced to foul again.

    Anyway's good to see some people discussing NBL ;)
     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2011 - 1:32 AM ET #35

    Sparkus

    Not sure how much you know about NBL, but last seasn one game stood out to me and i was very very irritated...

    The Taipans v the Breakers....

    The Brakers were leading by 15 points with about 1 min and 10 secs left...

    A timeout was called, the Taipans took off all there starters (conceeded), the Breakers put there BEST player Penney who was on the bench back into the game, then they ran the ball up and down the court and the over just got in.......

    Could you provide one rational explanation as to why when the opposition conceed defetat by taking out there best players (down by 15 with just a tad over a minute remaining) AND the breakers put there MVP and most lethal scorer back into the game with ZERO to gain?

    And the over just trickled in...

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    Sparkus

    Not sure how much you know about NBL, but last seasn one game stood out to me and i was very very irritated...

    The Taipans v the Breakers....

    The Brakers were leading by 15 points with about 1 min and 10 secs left...

    A timeout was called, the Taipans took off all there starters (conceeded), the Breakers put there BEST player Penney who was on the bench back into the game, then they ran the ball up and down the court and the over just got in.......

    Could you provide one rational explanation as to why when the opposition conceed defetat by taking out there best players (down by 15 with just a tad over a minute remaining) AND the breakers put there MVP and most lethal scorer back into the game with ZERO to gain?

    And the over just trickled in...

     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2011 - 1:36 AM ET #36

    Furthermore, in this league, i have noticed the overs and unders are heavily influenced by the amount of fouls - free throws being called..........

    So in a way, you shouldnt really look at the players ability, but rather what the refs are going to do.......

    Furthermore, the 36ers in there previous 2 games, attempted 60 and 61 Fg's, and on Friday night attempted 85FG's???? In 10 minute qtrs, and they had 17 turnovers?????

    All of a sudden from going to an average tempo team to one that was shooting every 5 secs regardless........

    Strange........

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    Furthermore, in this league, i have noticed the overs and unders are heavily influenced by the amount of fouls - free throws being called..........

    So in a way, you shouldnt really look at the players ability, but rather what the refs are going to do.......

    Furthermore, the 36ers in there previous 2 games, attempted 60 and 61 Fg's, and on Friday night attempted 85FG's???? In 10 minute qtrs, and they had 17 turnovers?????

    All of a sudden from going to an average tempo team to one that was shooting every 5 secs regardless........

    Strange........

     
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2011 - 3:20 AM ET #37

    It would be interesting to track the over/under numbers for each ref
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    Posted: Oct. 24, 2011 - 7:43 AM ET #38

    sparkus8, you make some very good points, thanks for sharing the info.

    I will certainly factor in the Gordie McLeod tactic for Hawks games from now on. If I remember correctly, McLeod used to employ the same tactics when he was coaching at the Razorbacks; his players were instructed to foul like demons down to the dying seconds often in games where his team was getting blown out. To the best of my knowledge, he is the only coach that employs this tactic in the NBL.

    Like you, I don't believe that this game is rigged. The team's inconsistencies from one game to another is what drives most of us mad enough to pull our hair out & question why we bother to bet on this sport.

    Hate the fact that we don't get to see the games live anymore, shitty NBL management. It's not like One HD has got a lot on it's plate at this time of the year. How the fuck do you expect to improve the games profile when they're all shown on replay? Ok that's my gripe for the season.


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    sparkus8, you make some very good points, thanks for sharing the info.

    I will certainly factor in the Gordie McLeod tactic for Hawks games from now on. If I remember correctly, McLeod used to employ the same tactics when he was coaching at the Razorbacks; his players were instructed to foul like demons down to the dying seconds often in games where his team was getting blown out. To the best of my knowledge, he is the only coach that employs this tactic in the NBL.

    Like you, I don't believe that this game is rigged. The team's inconsistencies from one game to another is what drives most of us mad enough to pull our hair out & question why we bother to bet on this sport.

    Hate the fact that we don't get to see the games live anymore, shitty NBL management. It's not like One HD has got a lot on it's plate at this time of the year. How the fuck do you expect to improve the games profile when they're all shown on replay? Ok that's my gripe for the season.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Sparkus

    Not sure how much you know about NBL, but last seasn one game stood out to me and i was very very irritated...

    The Taipans v the Breakers....

    The Brakers were leading by 15 points with about 1 min and 10 secs left...

    A timeout was called, the Taipans took off all there starters (conceeded), the Breakers put there BEST player Penney who was on the bench back into the game, then they ran the ball up and down the court and the over just got in.......

    Could you provide one rational explanation as to why when the opposition conceed defetat by taking out there best players (down by 15 with just a tad over a minute remaining) AND the breakers put there MVP and most lethal scorer back into the game with ZERO to gain?

    And the over just trickled in...


    Rostos I'm assuming you are talking about the first game they played last season where the Breakers won 93-79? If that's the case the total was around 163 for that game so I would say that went over fairly easily. Anyways, I'm not sure whether this is well known or not but the Breakers have a sponsorship deal with Burger King and every time they score 100 points the fans get a free whopper. i know every time they get close they have a crack for the fans.

    Also, in that game Penney only played 28 mins so it's not like Lemanis was over extending him. And to add to that they had a space of around 8 days between games so the need for rest is minimal.

    I think a lot of people have NBA thinking in this regard where players are rested by the coaches whenever they are able to. But what people have to remember is that the NBA is a long season with teams usually playing 3-4 games a week. In the NBL they average one game a week so the need for rest is nearly non existent barring the two or three weekends where they have to play a back to back.

    Hopefully that goes some way to a rational explanation for you Rostos.

    Cheers,

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    Sparkus

    Not sure how much you know about NBL, but last seasn one game stood out to me and i was very very irritated...

    The Taipans v the Breakers....

    The Brakers were leading by 15 points with about 1 min and 10 secs left...

    A timeout was called, the Taipans took off all there starters (conceeded), the Breakers put there BEST player Penney who was on the bench back into the game, then they ran the ball up and down the court and the over just got in.......

    Could you provide one rational explanation as to why when the opposition conceed defetat by taking out there best players (down by 15 with just a tad over a minute remaining) AND the breakers put there MVP and most lethal scorer back into the game with ZERO to gain?

    And the over just trickled in...


    Rostos I'm assuming you are talking about the first game they played last season where the Breakers won 93-79? If that's the case the total was around 163 for that game so I would say that went over fairly easily. Anyways, I'm not sure whether this is well known or not but the Breakers have a sponsorship deal with Burger King and every time they score 100 points the fans get a free whopper. i know every time they get close they have a crack for the fans.

    Also, in that game Penney only played 28 mins so it's not like Lemanis was over extending him. And to add to that they had a space of around 8 days between games so the need for rest is minimal.

    I think a lot of people have NBA thinking in this regard where players are rested by the coaches whenever they are able to. But what people have to remember is that the NBA is a long season with teams usually playing 3-4 games a week. In the NBL they average one game a week so the need for rest is nearly non existent barring the two or three weekends where they have to play a back to back.

    Hopefully that goes some way to a rational explanation for you Rostos.

    Cheers,

    Sparks
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Furthermore, in this league, i have noticed the overs and unders are heavily influenced by the amount of fouls - free throws being called..........

    So in a way, you shouldnt really look at the players ability, but rather what the refs are going to do.......

    Furthermore, the 36ers in there previous 2 games, attempted 60 and 61 Fg's, and on Friday night attempted 85FG's???? In 10 minute qtrs, and they had 17 turnovers?????

    All of a sudden from going to an average tempo team to one that was shooting every 5 secs regardless........

    Strange........


    If you look at the 36ers games stats wise you can see the reasons as to why they took so many shots than in their previous two games.

    v Wildcats 62 shots 11 offensive rebounds & 9 forced turnovers

    @ Hawks  61 shots 8 offensive rebounds & 7 forced turnovers

    v Kings  84 shots 20 offensive rebounds & 17 forced turnovers

    Effectively in the Kings game they got 17 more chances for a shot than the Perth game and 22 more chances than the Wollongong game. If you subtract those extra numbers from the 84 shots taken against Sydney then you get 67 and 62 which are in line with the first two games.

    Hope that helps.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Furthermore, in this league, i have noticed the overs and unders are heavily influenced by the amount of fouls - free throws being called..........

    So in a way, you shouldnt really look at the players ability, but rather what the refs are going to do.......

    Furthermore, the 36ers in there previous 2 games, attempted 60 and 61 Fg's, and on Friday night attempted 85FG's???? In 10 minute qtrs, and they had 17 turnovers?????

    All of a sudden from going to an average tempo team to one that was shooting every 5 secs regardless........

    Strange........


    If you look at the 36ers games stats wise you can see the reasons as to why they took so many shots than in their previous two games.

    v Wildcats 62 shots 11 offensive rebounds & 9 forced turnovers

    @ Hawks  61 shots 8 offensive rebounds & 7 forced turnovers

    v Kings  84 shots 20 offensive rebounds & 17 forced turnovers

    Effectively in the Kings game they got 17 more chances for a shot than the Perth game and 22 more chances than the Wollongong game. If you subtract those extra numbers from the 84 shots taken against Sydney then you get 67 and 62 which are in line with the first two games.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Play:

    sparkus8, you make some very good points, thanks for sharing the info.

    I will certainly factor in the Gordie McLeod tactic for Hawks games from now on. If I remember correctly, McLeod used to employ the same tactics when he was coaching at the Razorbacks; his players were instructed to foul like demons down to the dying seconds often in games where his team was getting blown out. To the best of my knowledge, he is the only coach that employs this tactic in the NBL.

    Like you, I don't believe that this game is rigged. The team's inconsistencies from one game to another is what drives most of us mad enough to pull our hair out & question why we bother to bet on this sport.

    Hate the fact that we don't get to see the games live anymore, shitty NBL management. It's not like One HD has got a lot on it's plate at this time of the year. How the fuck do you expect to improve the games profile when they're all shown on replay? Ok that's my gripe for the season.



    Yeah Gordie is in a different league to the rest of the coaches in the NBL. To see what he gets out of a roster that on paper should run close enough to last most years is amazing.

    Yeah the scheduling sucks, but if anyone is to blame it is ONE HD as they held a gun to the NBL's head this season.

    They offered them the choice of one game per week shown live or three games shown on delay. I can understand the NBL choosing the latter option as it at least puts three games on free to air TV every week, but for us NBL fans it turns in to a killer trying to stay up so late to watch a game!

    If you search around enough you can jag somewhere on the internet streaming the game live. If I find any of the games online I'll be sure to post a link in here so you guys can watch the games ;)

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Play:

    sparkus8, you make some very good points, thanks for sharing the info.

    I will certainly factor in the Gordie McLeod tactic for Hawks games from now on. If I remember correctly, McLeod used to employ the same tactics when he was coaching at the Razorbacks; his players were instructed to foul like demons down to the dying seconds often in games where his team was getting blown out. To the best of my knowledge, he is the only coach that employs this tactic in the NBL.

    Like you, I don't believe that this game is rigged. The team's inconsistencies from one game to another is what drives most of us mad enough to pull our hair out & question why we bother to bet on this sport.

    Hate the fact that we don't get to see the games live anymore, shitty NBL management. It's not like One HD has got a lot on it's plate at this time of the year. How the fuck do you expect to improve the games profile when they're all shown on replay? Ok that's my gripe for the season.



    Yeah Gordie is in a different league to the rest of the coaches in the NBL. To see what he gets out of a roster that on paper should run close enough to last most years is amazing.

    Yeah the scheduling sucks, but if anyone is to blame it is ONE HD as they held a gun to the NBL's head this season.

    They offered them the choice of one game per week shown live or three games shown on delay. I can understand the NBL choosing the latter option as it at least puts three games on free to air TV every week, but for us NBL fans it turns in to a killer trying to stay up so late to watch a game!

    If you search around enough you can jag somewhere on the internet streaming the game live. If I find any of the games online I'll be sure to post a link in here so you guys can watch the games ;)

    Cheers,

    Sparks
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:

    It would be interesting to track the over/under numbers for each ref

    I tried doing that for one season, but they seemed to run different rotations a lot so it was hard to make anything of the data.

    It would be good if they did what the NRL does and pairs the refs up quite regularly so that some patterns start to emerge!

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod_steel:

    It would be interesting to track the over/under numbers for each ref

    I tried doing that for one season, but they seemed to run different rotations a lot so it was hard to make anything of the data.

    It would be good if they did what the NRL does and pairs the refs up quite regularly so that some patterns start to emerge!

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkus8:


    Rostos I'm assuming you are talking about the first game they played last season where the Breakers won 93-79? If that's the case the total was around 163 for that game so I would say that went over fairly easily. Anyways, I'm not sure whether this is well known or not but the Breakers have a sponsorship deal with Burger King and every time they score 100 points the fans get a free whopper. i know every time they get close they have a crack for the fans.

    Also, in that game Penney only played 28 mins so it's not like Lemanis was over extending him. And to add to that they had a space of around 8 days between games so the need for rest is minimal.

    I think a lot of people have NBA thinking in this regard where players are rested by the coaches whenever they are able to. But what people have to remember is that the NBA is a long season with teams usually playing 3-4 games a week. In the NBL they average one game a week so the need for rest is nearly non existent barring the two or three weekends where they have to play a back to back.

    Hopefully that goes some way to a rational explanation for you Rostos.

    Cheers,

    Sparks

    I cant remember if it was the first game, i do remember the game going over in the last few seconds.

    I am aware of that sponsorship deal, however, the move made to bring Penney who had been out injured for a period back into the game AFTER the game was blown out and the Taipans conceeded defeat....

    Last week, the Kangaroos in the RL test match blew out the Kiwis, with 20 mins to go, Lockyer who ha also been out injured was TAKEN OFF.

    I have been watching sports all my life, I HAVE NEVER seen a star player coming back into game in th elast few moments where the game is blown out.

    I also do remember the over just trickling in for that, th eover under was about 168 from memory..

    That was extremely suspicious

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    Rostos I'm assuming you are talking about the first game they played last season where the Breakers won 93-79? If that's the case the total was around 163 for that game so I would say that went over fairly easily. Anyways, I'm not sure whether this is well known or not but the Breakers have a sponsorship deal with Burger King and every time they score 100 points the fans get a free whopper. i know every time they get close they have a crack for the fans.

    Also, in that game Penney only played 28 mins so it's not like Lemanis was over extending him. And to add to that they had a space of around 8 days between games so the need for rest is minimal.

    I think a lot of people have NBA thinking in this regard where players are rested by the coaches whenever they are able to. But what people have to remember is that the NBA is a long season with teams usually playing 3-4 games a week. In the NBL they average one game a week so the need for rest is nearly non existent barring the two or three weekends where they have to play a back to back.

    Hopefully that goes some way to a rational explanation for you Rostos.

    Cheers,

    Sparks

    I cant remember if it was the first game, i do remember the game going over in the last few seconds.

    I am aware of that sponsorship deal, however, the move made to bring Penney who had been out injured for a period back into the game AFTER the game was blown out and the Taipans conceeded defeat....

    Last week, the Kangaroos in the RL test match blew out the Kiwis, with 20 mins to go, Lockyer who ha also been out injured was TAKEN OFF.

    I have been watching sports all my life, I HAVE NEVER seen a star player coming back into game in th elast few moments where the game is blown out.

    I also do remember the over just trickling in for that, th eover under was about 168 from memory..

    That was extremely suspicious

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I cant remember if it was the first game, i do remember the game going over in the last few seconds.

    I am aware of that sponsorship deal, however, the move made to bring Penney who had been out injured for a period back into the game AFTER the game was blown out and the Taipans conceeded defeat....

    Last week, the Kangaroos in the RL test match blew out the Kiwis, with 20 mins to go, Lockyer who ha also been out injured was TAKEN OFF.

    I have been watching sports all my life, I HAVE NEVER seen a star player coming back into game in th elast few moments where the game is blown out.

    I also do remember the over just trickling in for that, th eover under was about 168 from memory..

    That was extremely suspicious


    Looking at my stats I'd say you got stung on a second half bet from the first game they played last season as that is the only game that matches up with what you are saying.

    The total was 163ish and they scored 87 in the first half. The second half total was about 81.5 making it 168.5 for the game.

    In essence you are pretty much saying the Breakers went in at HT went straight to their laptops to see what the second half total was and backed the over. Then realising it wasn't going to go over they put a supposedly injured Penney back in to help them win their second half bets.

    I'm not sure why you think Penney was injured. The only time he missed last season was the start of the season when he was trying out for the Spurs and a game he missed to be best man at a wedding.

    The reason he would have sat for an extended period in that game was that he would have played nearly all of the first 25 mins of the game and Lemanis gave him a break. This also means that while he was off someone else would have been slugging it out for 12 odd minutes straight and would need a break as well thus another reason to put Penney back in for the last couple of mins.

    I don't know what you think is more likely, but the Breakers logging in to their betting accounts at HT isn't at the top of my list.

    Also, why bring up Lockyer. The guy is recovering from a broken cheekbone and had already taken a shot there so of course Sheens is going to put him in cotton wool. Your comparison to a guy being subbed on and off from a basketball game to that situation is like comparing apples to oranges.


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    I cant remember if it was the first game, i do remember the game going over in the last few seconds.

    I am aware of that sponsorship deal, however, the move made to bring Penney who had been out injured for a period back into the game AFTER the game was blown out and the Taipans conceeded defeat....

    Last week, the Kangaroos in the RL test match blew out the Kiwis, with 20 mins to go, Lockyer who ha also been out injured was TAKEN OFF.

    I have been watching sports all my life, I HAVE NEVER seen a star player coming back into game in th elast few moments where the game is blown out.

    I also do remember the over just trickling in for that, th eover under was about 168 from memory..

    That was extremely suspicious


    Looking at my stats I'd say you got stung on a second half bet from the first game they played last season as that is the only game that matches up with what you are saying.

    The total was 163ish and they scored 87 in the first half. The second half total was about 81.5 making it 168.5 for the game.

    In essence you are pretty much saying the Breakers went in at HT went straight to their laptops to see what the second half total was and backed the over. Then realising it wasn't going to go over they put a supposedly injured Penney back in to help them win their second half bets.

    I'm not sure why you think Penney was injured. The only time he missed last season was the start of the season when he was trying out for the Spurs and a game he missed to be best man at a wedding.

    The reason he would have sat for an extended period in that game was that he would have played nearly all of the first 25 mins of the game and Lemanis gave him a break. This also means that while he was off someone else would have been slugging it out for 12 odd minutes straight and would need a break as well thus another reason to put Penney back in for the last couple of mins.

    I don't know what you think is more likely, but the Breakers logging in to their betting accounts at HT isn't at the top of my list.

    Also, why bring up Lockyer. The guy is recovering from a broken cheekbone and had already taken a shot there so of course Sheens is going to put him in cotton wool. Your comparison to a guy being subbed on and off from a basketball game to that situation is like comparing apples to oranges.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkus8:


    Looking at my stats I'd say you got stung on a second half bet from the first game they played last season as that is the only game that matches up with what you are saying.

    The total was 163ish and they scored 87 in the first half. The second half total was about 81.5 making it 168.5 for the game.

    In essence you are pretty much saying the Breakers went in at HT went straight to their laptops to see what the second half total was and backed the over. Then realising it wasn't going to go over they put a supposedly injured Penney back in to help them win their second half bets.

    I'm not sure why you think Penney was injured. The only time he missed last season was the start of the season when he was trying out for the Spurs and a game he missed to be best man at a wedding.

    The reason he would have sat for an extended period in that game was that he would have played nearly all of the first 25 mins of the game and Lemanis gave him a break. This also means that while he was off someone else would have been slugging it out for 12 odd minutes straight and would need a break as well thus another reason to put Penney back in for the last couple of mins.

    I don't know what you think is more likely, but the Breakers logging in to their betting accounts at HT isn't at the top of my list.

    Also, why bring up Lockyer. The guy is recovering from a broken cheekbone and had already taken a shot there so of course Sheens is going to put him in cotton wool. Your comparison to a guy being subbed on and off from a basketball game to that situation is like comparing apples to oranges.


    Sparkus

    I think you are right, it was a second half bet.

    Regarding Penney, prior to that game, he was out injured and in that game i believe it was his first game back from injury.

    I am not saying the Breakers went on there laptops at half time.

    all what i am saying is that i have been watching sports a very very long time and i cannot remember a time where the game was effectively gone (the Taipans had also conceeded) and a star player was brought back in.

    Penney at the timeout was on the bench, if he was already in the game and there were no timeouts, then you say, fair enough. But after the timeout, up by 15 points, the Taipans take off there starters, 1 min and 10 secs left and you bring your star and MVP who had been out injured back into the game and you start running up and down the floor like there is no tomorrow and the over just trickled in the last 20 secs?

    It just smacks of suspicion.

    I brought up the Lockyer example because he too was out injured, the game was a blow out, you wrap him in cotton wool which is what Sheens did.

    There is absolutely no plausable and rational explanation to bring your star and MVP BACK into a game where the game was gone in your favour....

    No one could give me a rational explanation as to why a coach would do this.

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    Looking at my stats I'd say you got stung on a second half bet from the first game they played last season as that is the only game that matches up with what you are saying.

    The total was 163ish and they scored 87 in the first half. The second half total was about 81.5 making it 168.5 for the game.

    In essence you are pretty much saying the Breakers went in at HT went straight to their laptops to see what the second half total was and backed the over. Then realising it wasn't going to go over they put a supposedly injured Penney back in to help them win their second half bets.

    I'm not sure why you think Penney was injured. The only time he missed last season was the start of the season when he was trying out for the Spurs and a game he missed to be best man at a wedding.

    The reason he would have sat for an extended period in that game was that he would have played nearly all of the first 25 mins of the game and Lemanis gave him a break. This also means that while he was off someone else would have been slugging it out for 12 odd minutes straight and would need a break as well thus another reason to put Penney back in for the last couple of mins.

    I don't know what you think is more likely, but the Breakers logging in to their betting accounts at HT isn't at the top of my list.

    Also, why bring up Lockyer. The guy is recovering from a broken cheekbone and had already taken a shot there so of course Sheens is going to put him in cotton wool. Your comparison to a guy being subbed on and off from a basketball game to that situation is like comparing apples to oranges.


    Sparkus

    I think you are right, it was a second half bet.

    Regarding Penney, prior to that game, he was out injured and in that game i believe it was his first game back from injury.

    I am not saying the Breakers went on there laptops at half time.

    all what i am saying is that i have been watching sports a very very long time and i cannot remember a time where the game was effectively gone (the Taipans had also conceeded) and a star player was brought back in.

    Penney at the timeout was on the bench, if he was already in the game and there were no timeouts, then you say, fair enough. But after the timeout, up by 15 points, the Taipans take off there starters, 1 min and 10 secs left and you bring your star and MVP who had been out injured back into the game and you start running up and down the floor like there is no tomorrow and the over just trickled in the last 20 secs?

    It just smacks of suspicion.

    I brought up the Lockyer example because he too was out injured, the game was a blow out, you wrap him in cotton wool which is what Sheens did.

    There is absolutely no plausable and rational explanation to bring your star and MVP BACK into a game where the game was gone in your favour....

    No one could give me a rational explanation as to why a coach would do this.

     
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    I also remember the season before and we were all talking about it on here......

    When the Hawks played the Tigers ......

    The game total was right on the betting total after a HAwks bucket with 3 secs left.......The margin between the 2 teams was about 20 points...

    The tigers player got the ball with 3 secs left sprinted up the floor like his life dependent on it and put a layup in with less than 1 sec left resulting in the game going over........

    I just get very very suspicious of behaviour that is outside the ordinary especially when the game is effectively gone yet the bet is in the balance.......

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    I also remember the season before and we were all talking about it on here......

    When the Hawks played the Tigers ......

    The game total was right on the betting total after a HAwks bucket with 3 secs left.......The margin between the 2 teams was about 20 points...

    The tigers player got the ball with 3 secs left sprinted up the floor like his life dependent on it and put a layup in with less than 1 sec left resulting in the game going over........

    I just get very very suspicious of behaviour that is outside the ordinary especially when the game is effectively gone yet the bet is in the balance.......

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Sparkus

    I think you are right, it was a second half bet.

    Regarding Penney, prior to that game, he was out injured and in that game i believe it was his first game back from injury.

    I am not saying the Breakers went on there laptops at half time.

    all what i am saying is that i have been watching sports a very very long time and i cannot remember a time where the game was effectively gone (the Taipans had also conceeded) and a star player was brought back in.

    Penney at the timeout was on the bench, if he was already in the game and there were no timeouts, then you say, fair enough. But after the timeout, up by 15 points, the Taipans take off there starters, 1 min and 10 secs left and you bring your star and MVP who had been out injured back into the game and you start running up and down the floor like there is no tomorrow and the over just trickled in the last 20 secs?

    It just smacks of suspicion.

    I brought up the Lockyer example because he too was out injured, the game was a blow out, you wrap him in cotton wool which is what Sheens did.

    There is absolutely no plausable and rational explanation to bring your star and MVP BACK into a game where the game was gone in your favour....

    No one could give me a rational explanation as to why a coach would do this.


    Just so we can put this to bed. Kirk Penney was not injured last year. He had tryouts with the Spurs so he missed the first couple of games. He then played one game, but then missed the next two (a doomsday double trip) to be best man at his brothers wedding in Italy. He then played another two games before the Cairns game.

    Why does it smack of suspicion? Weird things happen in sports all the time. A few weeks ago Perth smashed Melbourne yet Redhage was subbed in with 4 mins to go. After the horrific injury he sustained last year you would think he would be protected, but that didn't happen. The way I see it the coaches know their players better than anyone and will usually have a good reason for doing what they do. They may want them to get some more match fitness, they may want them to take a few more shots or run some more rotations on the court.

    Anyways, enough about this. I've put forward more than enough rational explanations, but if you continue to see a suspicious ongoing betting conspiracy in the NBL then so be it.

    Cheers,

    Sparks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Sparkus

    I think you are right, it was a second half bet.

    Regarding Penney, prior to that game, he was out injured and in that game i believe it was his first game back from injury.

    I am not saying the Breakers went on there laptops at half time.

    all what i am saying is that i have been watching sports a very very long time and i cannot remember a time where the game was effectively gone (the Taipans had also conceeded) and a star player was brought back in.

    Penney at the timeout was on the bench, if he was already in the game and there were no timeouts, then you say, fair enough. But after the timeout, up by 15 points, the Taipans take off there starters, 1 min and 10 secs left and you bring your star and MVP who had been out injured back into the game and you start running up and down the floor like there is no tomorrow and the over just trickled in the last 20 secs?

    It just smacks of suspicion.

    I brought up the Lockyer example because he too was out injured, the game was a blow out, you wrap him in cotton wool which is what Sheens did.

    There is absolutely no plausable and rational explanation to bring your star and MVP BACK into a game where the game was gone in your favour....

    No one could give me a rational explanation as to why a coach would do this.


    Just so we can put this to bed. Kirk Penney was not injured last year. He had tryouts with the Spurs so he missed the first couple of games. He then played one game, but then missed the next two (a doomsday double trip) to be best man at his brothers wedding in Italy. He then played another two games before the Cairns game.

    Why does it smack of suspicion? Weird things happen in sports all the time. A few weeks ago Perth smashed Melbourne yet Redhage was subbed in with 4 mins to go. After the horrific injury he sustained last year you would think he would be protected, but that didn't happen. The way I see it the coaches know their players better than anyone and will usually have a good reason for doing what they do. They may want them to get some more match fitness, they may want them to take a few more shots or run some more rotations on the court.

    Anyways, enough about this. I've put forward more than enough rational explanations, but if you continue to see a suspicious ongoing betting conspiracy in the NBL then so be it.

    Cheers,

    Sparks
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkus8:


    Just so we can put this to bed. Kirk Penney was not injured last year. He had tryouts with the Spurs so he missed the first couple of games. He then played one game, but then missed the next two (a doomsday double trip) to be best man at his brothers wedding in Italy. He then played another two games before the Cairns game.

    Why does it smack of suspicion? Weird things happen in sports all the time. A few weeks ago Perth smashed Melbourne yet Redhage was subbed in with 4 mins to go. After the horrific injury he sustained last year you would think he would be protected, but that didn't happen. The way I see it the coaches know their players better than anyone and will usually have a good reason for doing what they do. They may want them to get some more match fitness, they may want them to take a few more shots or run some more rotations on the court.

    Anyways, enough about this. I've put forward more than enough rational explanations, but if you continue to see a suspicious ongoing betting conspiracy in the NBL then so be it.

    Cheers,

    Sparks

    Yes, thats right he was out for a few weeks, for some reason i though he was injured.

    Anyways, i could never understand why he was brought back in the game with 1 min 10 left and the game blown.

    Anyways, it was 

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    Just so we can put this to bed. Kirk Penney was not injured last year. He had tryouts with the Spurs so he missed the first couple of games. He then played one game, but then missed the next two (a doomsday double trip) to be best man at his brothers wedding in Italy. He then played another two games before the Cairns game.

    Why does it smack of suspicion? Weird things happen in sports all the time. A few weeks ago Perth smashed Melbourne yet Redhage was subbed in with 4 mins to go. After the horrific injury he sustained last year you would think he would be protected, but that didn't happen. The way I see it the coaches know their players better than anyone and will usually have a good reason for doing what they do. They may want them to get some more match fitness, they may want them to take a few more shots or run some more rotations on the court.

    Anyways, enough about this. I've put forward more than enough rational explanations, but if you continue to see a suspicious ongoing betting conspiracy in the NBL then so be it.

    Cheers,

    Sparks

    Yes, thats right he was out for a few weeks, for some reason i though he was injured.

    Anyways, i could never understand why he was brought back in the game with 1 min 10 left and the game blown.

    Anyways, it was 

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