Detox's political thread

Very interesting that you make that connection..   you seem to make a connection between "black people " and rioters and looters.  I never said it.. but what does that say about YOU  ? 

But you do need to see an optometrist if you can't see that most of the people, but not all, are black people rioting and looting.  

How would you know? Have you ever been to one of these "demonstrations"? Or have you seen 10 second blurbs on the evening news? You'd be shocked at how multicultural they actually are. That isn't a defense of their actions. What i'm more saying is race is often the ignition source for these actions but the rage that rage that fuels them is based on so much more. Rich/Poor. Have/Have nots. Justice/Injustice. In fact, one of the biggest tragedies of these events is the way they are reported on, both by liberal and conservative media. Frankly, and sadly, all forms of media sell the racial division narrative for that very reason, it sells. The truth of the matter though, the truth I have seen with my own eyes in such demonstrations in many cities across several states, is that there's few better examples of racial unity than you see in these events. Sadly, channeled in not the best of ways but unity none the less. Take demonstrations in cities like Oakland, SF, Sacramento, there's a pretty equal mix of black and white. In cities like Portland, heck, there's more white people. There's only like 5 black people in all of Oregon.

You mean some of these type of thugs caught looting?

Agent Provocateurs: Police at protests all over the country caught destroying property

mintpressnews.com .June 01, 2020

The countrys law enforcement officers have been caught multiple times Sabataging and destroying property in an attempt to escalate the situation or to defame the protests.

Seattle: Police caught on camera smashing the door of a local Target.

Boston: Video shows multiple police officers destroying their own car.

San Bernardino CA: A peaceful protest held for 4 hours until police arrived and the area then engulfed into flames.

Chicago: Images show a group of police swarm a car hitting it with clubs .

Minneapolis: A vandal dubbed "Umbrella Man' caught on tape methodically smashing the windows of an Autozone. Umbrella Man' has been identified as Jacob Pederson of the Minneapolis police department.

Plus many more examples caught on tape.

*Should say caught vandalizing not looting 

Detox... You hit on the subject that none of the Democrats want to talk about.  They think that a continuous pattern of dependency, welfare, etc.  will lead to better outcomes for their folks in the inner city.  Does anyone want to talk about education  ? Does anyone want to talk about the baby daddy never being around  ?   Do people really want to discuss how  family and education are involved in the outcomes for the inner city ?  No, they just look at the poor outcomes for these individuals and wonder "why"?

Hey inner cities, maybe vote republican for a change and choose a guy that will invest in people uplifting themselves to get them out of the cycle of dependency.  Maybe they'll invest in some educational programs for these individuals that will lead to a job..   Maybe become a "productive" member of society instead of one that takes from it in the form of welfare... 

People want to talk about bad cops all day (and of course, we just witnessed one), but how about talking about what we can do with inner city individuals that puts them on a path "on the right side of the law."    George Floyd clearly was not ....  

Are we talking about "protesters" or "rioters & looters?"     My o' My how quickly we start blurring the lines in this discussion... I think most people with a TV can draw a distinction between the "protesters" and those engaging in  "rioting & looting." 

I'm talking about rioters and looters. Most people with a TV see 3-10 second shots of footage that a programming director decides to show. All of it is skewed one way or another. I've seen with my own eyes. Multiple cities in multiple states. I doubt you even follow multiple news sources. One or two at best, which is common, don't get me wrong but when you say the words, "most people with a TV can see" it speaks volumes. Everything on TV is just that, a TV show.

Black people commit roughly 50% of the homicides and violent crime in America. 

What percent of the police murders do people think they should be? 

Just their 13% to match their population percentage? 

Thats a little naive, no? 

Population:

White 62% 

Black 13% 

Homicides: 

White 4200

Black 5000 

Robberies:

White 33,000

Black 41,000 

Violent crime: 

White 241,000 

Black 153,000 

Weapons — carrying/possession etc: 

White 70,000 

Black 52,000 

So you are defending police killing black people who are often innocent of any crime, or guilty of non-violent petty crimes, because "black people commit, blah, blah, blah." I've heard of herd immunity but herr guily? GTFO. Who's really being naive?

Police kill more white people than black people

Again, you're numbers mean nothing. You can't simply assume guilt of an entire race, even if you can point to disproportionate numbers. You're deflecting from the actual issue and in that very action, you are proving the issue.

You’re the one pointing to disproportionate numbers. 

Cops kill more white people. Yet all you talk about is the black people killed by cops because the numbers are disproportionately high. 

Do they kill more innocent white people though? Do they kill more petty criminal white people? By in large, the white people killed by police are violent criminals. They aren't passing fake $20's. They aren't selling loose cigarettes. They aren't minding their own business and not committing any crime at all. 

I'm not only talking about police killings of black people. I would never attempt to deflect from or defend any police killing regardless of race. The fact that you do it so willingly is very telling.

They disproportionately come from broken homes. 

Every professional knows if you come from a broken home you’re far more likely to be a criminal. 

Black cops target black criminals even harder than white cops. 

People think it’s a racist cop issue. 

Turn all of the cops in America black and you’ll still see all of the same problems. 

Bunch of nitwits trying to stuff a round hole with a square peg. 

Have fun chasing your tails, morons! 

“Do they kill more innocent white people though? Do they kill more petty criminal white people? By in large, the white people killed by police are violent criminals. They aren't passing fake $20's. They aren't selling loose cigarettes. They aren't minding their own business and not committing any crime at all.“ 

Source for this information? 

It’s a poverty and broken homes issue. Period. 

The number one creator of the problem is welfare. 

Black people are extremely disproportionate when it comes to welfare. 

Welfare made the black mother reliant on the government instead of her husband. 

Before the welfare state black people had strong homes and were on the come up. 

Democrats think the answer is less police and more welfare. Yeah that will help, you morons! 

Awful culture. 

Bunch of finger pointing nitwits that are incapable of running their own lives. 

You put 300 Jewish families in the same circumstances and they’ll push out CEO’s and professionals because of the culture created at home. 

Embarrassing to watch the kowtowing. How are you people not ashamed of yourselves?! 

What a sad, little man you must be. This is your thread, so it's a given you would comment, but taking a civil conversation between rush and I and filling it which such hate and vitriol points to a very sad and depraved existence. I hope for the best for you, tox, but I really have nothing left to say to you. Your own words do more to prove my point than disprove it.

Bring facts to the table 

Here's a fact. No man, regardless of race, deserves to die for attempting to pass a bogus $20. No man deserves to die for selling bbq at a non-protest related gathering. Police should be held to a higher standard. If comes with the territory. The fact that people (you, for example) quote numbers in an attempt to deflect from the issue being debated proves said issue exists. You're trying to say black people are all guilty by proxy. You can google all the numbers you want. That doesn't negate the fact that grave injustices do occur. Prove me wrong. What does you posting said numbers attempt to do except say that the actions of some convict the all? So for every innocent killed or even mistreated by police, it's fine because, "black people do commit crimes?" That's insanity. Please tell me how anything you've posted justifies slaying innocents, or even people guilty of petty crimes? They're numbers from a google search that have no bearing on the issue at hand. 

I mean seriously, you talk of welfare. Broken homes, ect. All valid talking points for another conversation. None of them have any bearing on this conversation. It's so much more that George Floyd. It's so much bigger than any police killing. It's the systematic belief, by police, by random sad fucks on covers.com (you), and yes, even by some within our own race, the systematic belief that all black people are guilty by birth right. And therefore don't deserve to be looked at, and judged, as individuals. And that's fine for the old lady that clutches her purse when she see's a black man. Hey, that's her prerogative. All she can do is go on statistics but the police should be held to a higher standard. And it's not all race. As i've said many times, the system of vetting and training officers is what's the most broken, but race does factor. And race factors in such "stand your ground" vigilante cases such as what we saw in Atlanta, and with Treyvon Martin. Where white men take the law into their own hands, track and accost a black man (or child) only to say, "Well, I was defending myself." No, you were stalking them like animals. Animals when cornered defend themselves. Hey, if a black man kicks in your door, unload the whole magazine. I'll never say anything about race. If the cops shoot a black man during an apprehension for an armed robbery, i'll never say anything about race. But when a cop kneels on a mans neck for 9 minutes, even though he was cuffed and had two other cops on him already, when he pleads, bystanders plead, an officer pleads, and he doesn't listen, that's an injustice. That's murder. When white people arm themselves and track a man for suspected TRESPASSING, in the unfinished frame work of a home, that's a race based murder. When a wannabe cop is told by real police dispatch to stand down and he responds, "...then he'll get away. THEY always get away." Who is they? We're talking about a man that hadn't even witnessed a crime being committed. I hate the racial narrative the media pushes as much as the next guy but don't sit there and act like this stuff doesn't exist. And don't sit there and act like all black people are criminals because of that sad and disproportionate number of us that are. That is the issue I have. And as i've said, you prove my point every time you open your mouth. And don't you dare try to make it a conservative thing, or a white thing. It's a you thing. You illustrate the problem.

The cop has been charged with murder.

What more do you want? 

3,000 black people were killed in 2016

2,700 of the 3,000 were killed by a black person. 

Lets say these fake protests miraculously wipe out the 10% killed by non-black people. 

Then what?