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    weeble5672
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2012 - 10:31 PM ET #26

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    I personally can't comment on what goes on beyond modchat so who knows if you're correct in what you say.

    However, you can't really call yourselves "customers" when you're on here for free. Besides, how do you feel that you're being treated like shit? And I'm asking honestly...it's a free forum and all that's asked of you guys is that you follow the seemingly simple rules. You can't tell me that having to get your avatar approved ranks under your being-treated-shitty category.


    BTW...this question is for anyone who wants to answer. I'm absolutely serious...tell me how you feel that you're being treated like shit. I'll PERSONALLY take any serious and logical (key words) opinions to Rizzo and/or Lou.
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    I personally can't comment on what goes on beyond modchat so who knows if you're correct in what you say.

    However, you can't really call yourselves "customers" when you're on here for free. Besides, how do you feel that you're being treated like shit? And I'm asking honestly...it's a free forum and all that's asked of you guys is that you follow the seemingly simple rules. You can't tell me that having to get your avatar approved ranks under your being-treated-shitty category.


    BTW...this question is for anyone who wants to answer. I'm absolutely serious...tell me how you feel that you're being treated like shit. I'll PERSONALLY take any serious and logical (key words) opinions to Rizzo and/or Lou.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2012 - 10:50 PM ET #27

    Weebs, not going to get in a pissing match. Whether the site is "free" is not relevent. When users who covers needs to buy from these advertisers so they will place ads to give you the needed income get ignored when they ask questions, are belittled when they ask questions, etc. I will not be able to get you to understand. If you read the stuff, this isn't simply about the avatars. Covers is wanting to please the ad peeps, your users are the target  of these advertisers, they are wanting CUSTOMERS to click on the ads, buy the product, etc. To say we are not customers? Sorry, not true
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    Weebs, not going to get in a pissing match. Whether the site is "free" is not relevent. When users who covers needs to buy from these advertisers so they will place ads to give you the needed income get ignored when they ask questions, are belittled when they ask questions, etc. I will not be able to get you to understand. If you read the stuff, this isn't simply about the avatars. Covers is wanting to please the ad peeps, your users are the target  of these advertisers, they are wanting CUSTOMERS to click on the ads, buy the product, etc. To say we are not customers? Sorry, not true
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2012 - 10:55 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by wmi799:

    Weebs, not going to get in a pissing match. Whether the site is "free" is not relevent. When users who covers needs to buy from these advertisers so they will place ads to give you the needed income get ignored when they ask questions, are belittled when they ask questions, etc. I will not be able to get you to understand. If you read the stuff, this isn't simply about the avatars. Covers is wanting to please the ad peeps, your users are the target  of these advertisers, they are wanting CUSTOMERS to click on the ads, buy the product, etc. To say we are not customers? Sorry, not true


    I suppose it's a matter of semantics then.

    I'm not sure about the belittling. I DO know, however, that CT gets inundated with PMs and posts and emails about some of the most ridiculous stuff. I'm positive you or I or anyone would be a little rough-around-the-edges if we had to deal with the shit they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wmi799:

    Weebs, not going to get in a pissing match. Whether the site is "free" is not relevent. When users who covers needs to buy from these advertisers so they will place ads to give you the needed income get ignored when they ask questions, are belittled when they ask questions, etc. I will not be able to get you to understand. If you read the stuff, this isn't simply about the avatars. Covers is wanting to please the ad peeps, your users are the target  of these advertisers, they are wanting CUSTOMERS to click on the ads, buy the product, etc. To say we are not customers? Sorry, not true


    I suppose it's a matter of semantics then.

    I'm not sure about the belittling. I DO know, however, that CT gets inundated with PMs and posts and emails about some of the most ridiculous stuff. I'm positive you or I or anyone would be a little rough-around-the-edges if we had to deal with the shit they do.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 6, 2012 - 10:56 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by weeble5672:



    I suppose it's a matter of semantics then.

    I'm not sure about the belittling. I DO know, however, that CT gets inundated with PMs and posts and emails about some of the most ridiculous stuff. I'm positive you or I or anyone would be a little rough-around-the-edges if we had to deal with the shit they do.

    Good point. But, that is part of CT's job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeble5672:



    I suppose it's a matter of semantics then.

    I'm not sure about the belittling. I DO know, however, that CT gets inundated with PMs and posts and emails about some of the most ridiculous stuff. I'm positive you or I or anyone would be a little rough-around-the-edges if we had to deal with the shit they do.

    Good point. But, that is part of CT's job.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2012 - 12:26 AM ET #31

    What about me!??

    Just kidding.

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    What about me!??

    Just kidding.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2012 - 1:55 AM ET #32

    @ Weebz = It's not US being treated like shit. It's this site being ran like shit.


    The sponsors don't want avatars on a gambling forum filled with degenerate drunks? It's a gambling forum.


    The sponsors don't want hyperlinks? But 3rd party popups with viruses and spyware are OK??


    Will I still use Covers? Of course. But meanwhile I've dibble dabbled on to Twitter because of all this.



    And they're saying they'll be an approval process for avatars.....


    Yea. Right. 2013 Is right around the corner and I can say tue word LOCK that no avatars will be up & running.
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    @ Weebz = It's not US being treated like shit. It's this site being ran like shit.


    The sponsors don't want avatars on a gambling forum filled with degenerate drunks? It's a gambling forum.


    The sponsors don't want hyperlinks? But 3rd party popups with viruses and spyware are OK??


    Will I still use Covers? Of course. But meanwhile I've dibble dabbled on to Twitter because of all this.



    And they're saying they'll be an approval process for avatars.....


    Yea. Right. 2013 Is right around the corner and I can say tue word LOCK that no avatars will be up & running.
     
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    Maybe "treated like shit" could have been said differently Slovak. The point was when myself and others were asking CT about issues, it was the "read waht was posted" BS! When what the posted would happen STILL HAS NOT HAPPENED! When people were asking CT was getting pissy with them. That was the "treated like shit" reference.

    They can bow down to the advertisers all they want. It is only about money for them. Pissing off the users who they NEED to buy from the advertisers? Hmmm!

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    Maybe "treated like shit" could have been said differently Slovak. The point was when myself and others were asking CT about issues, it was the "read waht was posted" BS! When what the posted would happen STILL HAS NOT HAPPENED! When people were asking CT was getting pissy with them. That was the "treated like shit" reference.

    They can bow down to the advertisers all they want. It is only about money for them. Pissing off the users who they NEED to buy from the advertisers? Hmmm!

     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2012 - 12:56 PM ET #35

    Email verification so we are all real would take away the numbers they use to make it look like there are more people here Slovak! We all know this
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    Email verification so we are all real would take away the numbers they use to make it look like there are more people here Slovak! We all know this
     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2012 - 1:46 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by weeble5672:



    I suppose it's a matter of semantics then.

    I'm not sure about the belittling. I DO know, however, that CT gets inundated with PMs and posts and emails about some of the most ridiculous stuff. I'm positive you or I or anyone would be a little rough-around-the-edges if we had to deal with the shit they do.
       Let's try this without even using the word "customers" and see if this makes any sense.

       Not one person pays an up front fee to shop at mega-malls across the country, yet retail chains still pay an inordinate amount of cash for the opportunity to do business in these malls. The reason, exposure. You can't tell me that the more posters and viewers that this site has, doesn't result in more revenues directly paid to this site.    
         The whole premise of these forums is not to provide a place for discussion, but to attract the masses in order to either expose them to numerous advertisements, which you're compensated for, get them to pay for covers experts picks, which they pay for, or get sign ups to whatever online site covers is promoting, ( God forgive me if I bring up what happened with BetUs)  which in turn kicks back cash to covers. In this case, free is the wrong word to choose, because even though we don't pay a direct fee for usage, the revenues that this site receives is directly related to the amount of viewers.
          There's an old expression in business that goes something like this," The customer's always right." Am I condoning letting the prisoners run the prison? No, just pointing out that sound business principles says there's better ways of handling customer input and suggestions then talking down to them, which has become the norm around here, especially when it comes to CT. You said they get inundated with complaints?  That's their job, and IMO a job that they don't do very well. I won't even go into my case, which has own merits, but the numerous others that I see responses from CT like they're cats ass and beyond reproach.
           If I walk into a retail store and feel like I've been treated like shit, I'm not going to stick around and make a purchase, I'm walking out. If whoever makes these dumb ass calls doesn't see the woods because of the trees then the same thing will eventually happen here. Time and time again we keep hearing about the overall decline in quality at this site, and why do you think this has happened?  Has all of a sudden the quality of the person that comes to this site deteriorated or is it the site itself?
       If the hyper links situation, and this current avi situation were brought to your viewers attention  ( see how I avoided the use of the word customers even though that's what the viewers are)  beforehand, maybe you wouldn't be seeing the outrage you guys are currently experiencing. You guys site, you guys decisions, just saying the current business model that covers is operating under will eventually result in unhappy viewers looking to take their business somewhere else, twitter or a competing site. It isn't like this is the only game in town.
        Nothing personal Weebs,  you've always been a good guy in my book.  Even exposing you to the position you've put yourself in right here shows the lack of backbone from the top down. They expect the nicest guy here to try and calm down the Indians before the attack, not the persons who caused the fury. Just saying that justifying bad business practices by saying it's free for us here is the wrong way to go about the current situation.  How about if security at the malls bullied the customers around, and ultimately  drove the masses away? This seems to be the way this site is headed. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by weeble5672:



    I suppose it's a matter of semantics then.

    I'm not sure about the belittling. I DO know, however, that CT gets inundated with PMs and posts and emails about some of the most ridiculous stuff. I'm positive you or I or anyone would be a little rough-around-the-edges if we had to deal with the shit they do.
       Let's try this without even using the word "customers" and see if this makes any sense.

       Not one person pays an up front fee to shop at mega-malls across the country, yet retail chains still pay an inordinate amount of cash for the opportunity to do business in these malls. The reason, exposure. You can't tell me that the more posters and viewers that this site has, doesn't result in more revenues directly paid to this site.    
         The whole premise of these forums is not to provide a place for discussion, but to attract the masses in order to either expose them to numerous advertisements, which you're compensated for, get them to pay for covers experts picks, which they pay for, or get sign ups to whatever online site covers is promoting, ( God forgive me if I bring up what happened with BetUs)  which in turn kicks back cash to covers. In this case, free is the wrong word to choose, because even though we don't pay a direct fee for usage, the revenues that this site receives is directly related to the amount of viewers.
          There's an old expression in business that goes something like this," The customer's always right." Am I condoning letting the prisoners run the prison? No, just pointing out that sound business principles says there's better ways of handling customer input and suggestions then talking down to them, which has become the norm around here, especially when it comes to CT. You said they get inundated with complaints?  That's their job, and IMO a job that they don't do very well. I won't even go into my case, which has own merits, but the numerous others that I see responses from CT like they're cats ass and beyond reproach.
           If I walk into a retail store and feel like I've been treated like shit, I'm not going to stick around and make a purchase, I'm walking out. If whoever makes these dumb ass calls doesn't see the woods because of the trees then the same thing will eventually happen here. Time and time again we keep hearing about the overall decline in quality at this site, and why do you think this has happened?  Has all of a sudden the quality of the person that comes to this site deteriorated or is it the site itself?
       If the hyper links situation, and this current avi situation were brought to your viewers attention  ( see how I avoided the use of the word customers even though that's what the viewers are)  beforehand, maybe you wouldn't be seeing the outrage you guys are currently experiencing. You guys site, you guys decisions, just saying the current business model that covers is operating under will eventually result in unhappy viewers looking to take their business somewhere else, twitter or a competing site. It isn't like this is the only game in town.
        Nothing personal Weebs,  you've always been a good guy in my book.  Even exposing you to the position you've put yourself in right here shows the lack of backbone from the top down. They expect the nicest guy here to try and calm down the Indians before the attack, not the persons who caused the fury. Just saying that justifying bad business practices by saying it's free for us here is the wrong way to go about the current situation.  How about if security at the malls bullied the customers around, and ultimately  drove the masses away? This seems to be the way this site is headed. 
                                         BOL
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 222bad:

       Let's try this without even using the word "customers" and see if this makes any sense.

       Not one person pays an up front fee to shop at mega-malls across the country, yet retail chains still pay an inordinate amount of cash for the opportunity to do business in these malls. The reason, exposure. You can't tell me that the more posters and viewers that this site has, doesn't result in more revenues directly paid to this site.    
         The whole premise of these forums is not to provide a place for discussion, but to attract the masses in order to either expose them to numerous advertisements, which you're compensated for, get them to pay for covers experts picks, which they pay for, or get sign ups to whatever online site covers is promoting, ( God forgive me if I bring up what happened with BetUs)  which in turn kicks back cash to covers. In this case, free is the wrong word to choose, because even though we don't pay a direct fee for usage, the revenues that this site receives is directly related to the amount of viewers.
          There's an old expression in business that goes something like this," The customer's always right." Am I condoning letting the prisoners run the prison? No, just pointing out that sound business principles says there's better ways of handling customer input and suggestions then talking down to them, which has become the norm around here, especially when it comes to CT. You said they get inundated with complaints?  That's their job, and IMO a job that they don't do very well. I won't even go into my case, which has own merits, but the numerous others that I see responses from CT like they're cats ass and beyond reproach.
           If I walk into a retail store and feel like I've been treated like shit, I'm not going to stick around and make a purchase, I'm walking out. If whoever makes these dumb ass calls doesn't see the woods because of the trees then the same thing will eventually happen here. Time and time again we keep hearing about the overall decline in quality at this site, and why do you think this has happened?  Has all of a sudden the quality of the person that comes to this site deteriorated or is it the site itself?
       If the hyper links situation, and this current avi situation were brought to your viewers attention  ( see how I avoided the use of the word customers even though that's what the viewers are)  beforehand, maybe you wouldn't be seeing the outrage you guys are currently experiencing. You guys site, you guys decisions, just saying the current business model that covers is operating under will eventually result in unhappy viewers looking to take their business somewhere else, twitter or a competing site. It isn't like this is the only game in town.
        Nothing personal Weebs,  you've always been a good guy in my book.  Even exposing you to the position you've put yourself in right here shows the lack of backbone from the top down. They expect the nicest guy here to try and calm down the Indians before the attack, not the persons who caused the fury. Just saying that justifying bad business practices by saying it's free for us here is the wrong way to go about the current situation.  How about if security at the malls bullied the customers around, and ultimately  drove the masses away? This seems to be the way this site is headed. 
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       Let's try this without even using the word "customers" and see if this makes any sense.

       Not one person pays an up front fee to shop at mega-malls across the country, yet retail chains still pay an inordinate amount of cash for the opportunity to do business in these malls. The reason, exposure. You can't tell me that the more posters and viewers that this site has, doesn't result in more revenues directly paid to this site.    
         The whole premise of these forums is not to provide a place for discussion, but to attract the masses in order to either expose them to numerous advertisements, which you're compensated for, get them to pay for covers experts picks, which they pay for, or get sign ups to whatever online site covers is promoting, ( God forgive me if I bring up what happened with BetUs)  which in turn kicks back cash to covers. In this case, free is the wrong word to choose, because even though we don't pay a direct fee for usage, the revenues that this site receives is directly related to the amount of viewers.
          There's an old expression in business that goes something like this," The customer's always right." Am I condoning letting the prisoners run the prison? No, just pointing out that sound business principles says there's better ways of handling customer input and suggestions then talking down to them, which has become the norm around here, especially when it comes to CT. You said they get inundated with complaints?  That's their job, and IMO a job that they don't do very well. I won't even go into my case, which has own merits, but the numerous others that I see responses from CT like they're cats ass and beyond reproach.
           If I walk into a retail store and feel like I've been treated like shit, I'm not going to stick around and make a purchase, I'm walking out. If whoever makes these dumb ass calls doesn't see the woods because of the trees then the same thing will eventually happen here. Time and time again we keep hearing about the overall decline in quality at this site, and why do you think this has happened?  Has all of a sudden the quality of the person that comes to this site deteriorated or is it the site itself?
       If the hyper links situation, and this current avi situation were brought to your viewers attention  ( see how I avoided the use of the word customers even though that's what the viewers are)  beforehand, maybe you wouldn't be seeing the outrage you guys are currently experiencing. You guys site, you guys decisions, just saying the current business model that covers is operating under will eventually result in unhappy viewers looking to take their business somewhere else, twitter or a competing site. It isn't like this is the only game in town.
        Nothing personal Weebs,  you've always been a good guy in my book.  Even exposing you to the position you've put yourself in right here shows the lack of backbone from the top down. They expect the nicest guy here to try and calm down the Indians before the attack, not the persons who caused the fury. Just saying that justifying bad business practices by saying it's free for us here is the wrong way to go about the current situation.  How about if security at the malls bullied the customers around, and ultimately  drove the masses away? This seems to be the way this site is headed. 
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    222's  I have to pay $55 to be  a member at Costco per year...Do I like it ...No...but it's their rules and i have to abide by them....The changes here are about the bottom line,and who's pulling the strings ..period end of sentence....Costco just opened an agreement with our owners,We(store managers) don't like the program one bit..But if we want to keep our jobs we have 2 do what they tell us to do...Not happy about it,but that's the way it is....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 222bad:

      No, just pointing out that sound business principles says there's better ways of handling customer input and suggestions then talking down to them, which has become the norm around here, especially when it comes to CT. You said they get inundated with complaints?  That's their job, and IMO a job that they don't do very well. .

     If the hyper links situation, and this current avi situation were brought to your viewers attention  beforehand, maybe you wouldn't be seeing the outrage you guys are currently experiencing.      

     

    Well put, 222. The highlighted parts are what I agree with the most and were my points said with another point of view

    Shrimp -  Yes the changes here are about the bottom line. They could go about it much much much better than they do though.

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      No, just pointing out that sound business principles says there's better ways of handling customer input and suggestions then talking down to them, which has become the norm around here, especially when it comes to CT. You said they get inundated with complaints?  That's their job, and IMO a job that they don't do very well. .

     If the hyper links situation, and this current avi situation were brought to your viewers attention  beforehand, maybe you wouldn't be seeing the outrage you guys are currently experiencing.      

     

    Well put, 222. The highlighted parts are what I agree with the most and were my points said with another point of view

    Shrimp -  Yes the changes here are about the bottom line. They could go about it much much much better than they do though.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrimp1958:

    222's  I have to pay $55 to be  a member at Costco per year...Do I like it ...No...but it's their rules and i have to abide by them....The changes here are about the bottom line,and who's pulling the strings ..period end of sentence....Costco just opened an agreement with our owners,We(store managers) don't like the program one bit..But if we want to keep our jobs we have 2 do what they tell us to do...Not happy about it,but that's the way it is....
       I totally understand what you're saying Shrimp, but just because they make you pay that fee, doesn't make it either right, or a good overall business decision on their part. The fact alone that you as a store manager don't like it but have to abide by it, potentially sets up Costco for failure. Not saying you personally would hold a grudge enough to try and "pocket' that out of pocket money, but surely others will try.  I was just trying to approach what's going on here from a good business stand point.  I even stated their site, their decisions, but noted where I thought they were setting themselves up for potential future failures. Just my dumb but humble opinion.
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    222's  I have to pay $55 to be  a member at Costco per year...Do I like it ...No...but it's their rules and i have to abide by them....The changes here are about the bottom line,and who's pulling the strings ..period end of sentence....Costco just opened an agreement with our owners,We(store managers) don't like the program one bit..But if we want to keep our jobs we have 2 do what they tell us to do...Not happy about it,but that's the way it is....
       I totally understand what you're saying Shrimp, but just because they make you pay that fee, doesn't make it either right, or a good overall business decision on their part. The fact alone that you as a store manager don't like it but have to abide by it, potentially sets up Costco for failure. Not saying you personally would hold a grudge enough to try and "pocket' that out of pocket money, but surely others will try.  I was just trying to approach what's going on here from a good business stand point.  I even stated their site, their decisions, but noted where I thought they were setting themselves up for potential future failures. Just my dumb but humble opinion.
     
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    I hear you...but their's one thing a business can't have,and that's the inmates running the asylum...
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    I hear you...but their's one thing a business can't have,and that's the inmates running the asylum...
     
     
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    Don't cry wally.

    Kt you would have a better effect if you didn't fuck it up the 1st time.

    By the way a pik of a wet box is frowned upon in this establishment but to say it has no bearing.

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    Don't cry wally.

    Kt you would have a better effect if you didn't fuck it up the 1st time.

    By the way a pik of a wet box is frowned upon in this establishment but to say it has no bearing.

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