Why can’t they get a TV contract? This YouTube shit is awful.
The team aspect is stupid.
I don’t know how I feel about the shotgun style tournament. I understand the premise — they want everyone playing and finishing at the same time — but it’s tough to follow as a viewer.
The 54 holes is fine.
Curious what you idiots think.
I think what a lot of people are doing with this is using this as a political issue. But it is somewhat hypocritical. For example:
“It’s real easy to be pissed off and angry about LIV Golf and the Saudis, all I ask for is philosophical and ideological consistency. If you wanna get in a froth about LIV Golf, and you have every right to…take a pause, take a deep breath and look at China and see, should this outrage or this introspection and this attention extend to the NBA,” Ley said when talking about LIV Golf and the NBA on...
This is more or less what I’ve been saying about LIV Golf ever since the organization started poaching the best golfers in the world from the PGA Tour.
If you’re going to rip LIV Golf for being tied to Saudi Arabia, you better be just as outraged when it comes to the NBA bending the knee to China.
Hell, I think you could make an argument that you should be a hell of a lot more outraged over the NBA’s relationship with China. While Saudi Arabia isn’t a country I’ll defend, it’s at least an American ally.
Is China? Hell no. In fact, China is probably the biggest foreign threat we face, and the NBA couldn’t care less. The league won’t have a bowel movement in the morning without first getting the CCP to sign off on it!
Again, I’m not here to defend Saudi Arabia, and the guys jumping ship to LIV Golf are clearly after cash. However, I just have a hard time taking a lot of the outrage seriously when many of the same people are silent on China.
But it seems to be somewhat confusing with the team issue. The quicker coverage seems to be appealing and the faster pace and quicker finish folks seemed to enjoy. But people do take issue with some of the broadcasting technique and format.
In many ways, Thursday served as a tryout for LIV Golf’s broadcast team, which is headed by Steve Beim, former U.S. Open and “The Match” producer. And after one day of coverage, one thing is clear: there were elements to like, but the golf-broadcast wheel has not been reinvented.
First, the good: LIV Golf’s broadcast is fast. Really fast. Beim operates his show like his hair’s on fire, showing shots with a frequency rarely seen on the networks. Perhaps not surprisingly, Beim’s broadcast appears to have taken some of its queues from Fox Sports’ coverage of USGA events, telecasts on which Beim worked for a number of years. Over the first 30 minutes of coverage on Thursday, Beim’s broadcast vastly outpaced ESPN+’s PGA Tour coverage, showing nearly twice the number of shots. LIV has an advantage because of its shotgun-start format, but even when compared to the PGA Tour’s coverage when every hole had players, LIV’s broadcast still showed more golf.
Golf fans offput by the PGA Tour’s commercial load and affinity for filler segments were also likely enthused by LIV’s coverage, which had little of the latter and none of the former (no sponsors means no ads). Before the broadcast went live on Thursday morning, LIV analyst Jerry Foltz — who formerly covered the LPGA for Golf Channel — could be heard on a hot mic strategizing the on-air plan to cover five consecutive hours of live television without a bathroom break. This was a welcome change for many regular golf viewers, even if business realities had precipitated it.
Despite their tacky name, the “Don’t Blink” highlight segments were another winner, dropping a dopamine rush full of holed putts and chip-ins in only a few seconds. As was the quad-box used at the shotgun start, which showed four tee shots at once and appeared to be inspired by “NFL Redzone.”
In the not-so-great camp was the virtual leaderboard, which achieved the remarkable feat of taking up 20 percent of the screen while providing little meaningful information. The leaderboard itself has impressive potential — the “holes remaining” stat is a cool addition — but its naming conventions are confounding. In a field already struggling for name recognition, disguising, say, Dustin Johnson’s name as “D. JSN” was a head-scratcher.
And speaking of name recognition, does anyone understand how the team format works? Because after watching several hours of LIV’s coverage this morning, I sure don’t; I didn’t see a single scoring update for what was supposed to be a key differentiator for the LIV series. (I do, however, know that video game sound effects were not what I needed to tune into a sports telecast.)
These are minor quibbles, and it’s entirely possible — if not likely — that Beim and his team of producers are armed with a laundry list of fixes and additions before the second event in Portland next month.
But the bigger problem, the one that will be hardest to fix, is also the simplest: After six months of promising innovation, LIV Golf’s first broadcast was decidedly normal. If not for the wacky color scheme, the casual fan tuning into Thursday’s action might not have noticed a difference between LIV’s product and the one on NBC or CBS every weekend.
It was noticeable everywhere: in the audio, which was promised as a revolutionary staple of the new league, but instead provided caddie-player conversations at … roughly the same rate as the average PGA Tour telecast. In the camera shots, which did little more to change our perspective of the course than the average Tour telecast. Even in the announcers, who offered roughly the same depth of commentary as the average Thursday afternoon.
I think those two articles were pretty succinct at summing up the issues folks liked and did not like about it and the coverage of it, as well.
I think the money will eventually talk, if the people like it and take to it. TV will eventually want to make money, despite the political issues. TV has no plans to drop NBA coverage at all. They still covered the Olympics, etc. I am sure if there is money to be made, TV will get involved sooner than later.
There, for sure, has been a move to streaming as opposed to TV on events. You see this with DAZN and boxing, etc. So, maybe that will be the way going forward for this and it will work out. Time will tell.
It's purely a joke
, because Detox made $20M + last year and often refers to us as the poors ...
Somehow can't cast things off his phone on to a smart TV or get decent satellite reception
Gotcha.
Yeah, maybe it is best to not even mention when you make money -- folks do not take it well when you say you made money and imply they did not. They get jealous and say stuff where they think people make the stuff up. Then that escalates to where they might call people poor, etc. You see that on a lot of investment forums. Just have to not mention how much you make, ignore negative folks, or stick to forums where people are serious about the investing, etc.
There is never a reason to mention how much you even bet on a game. Just using units is fine or W/L record.
The TV thing is okay. Like the boxing I mentioned on DAZN -- I am a big boxing guy -- so, you get used to it, etc. But it is different.
But I did not even take that question to be one of inconvenience or lack of know-how.
I took that question as to why is TV not jumping at the chance to get involved? I contend it is political and that they will jump on it as soon as they realize there is money to be made.
But either way -- it is what it is...for now.
I don’t for a second think any player that joined LIV Tour did it for anything but the money, which they are entitled to. But the PGA Tour pretending it is somehow the moral high ground is laughable.
Also maybe it should be looked into as to how the PGA is still considered a non profit corporation? Not paying Federal tax?
A big TV deal has to be in the works
Faherty and Barkley are two big gets imo
Imagine being in your beautiful Nantucket summer house entertaining people and 2nd rate YouTube looking golf coverage on the screen — DoubleUp, I know you’re sweating with no ac and spaghetti sauce on your tshirt, but close your eyes and try to picture my problem here
I sent Othman Almulla a few texts but he hasn’t responded
Cam Smith would be game changer. You know he’s as good of a golfer as anyone else in the world so he’s a good measuring stick to have on their tour.
If Sergio shoots -12 over three days and wins it looks much better with Cam Smith in 2nd place at -11.
I guarantee Phil and Norman etc have been bitching for ages that the purses weren’t big enough and that there should be guaranteed money for certain players. The PGA uses their top dogs to get a ton of sponsorship money and then with the sponsorship money an entire network of tours/shit is made — and the reality is that it’s all coming from the big dogs. Phil in contention in his prime was a ratings bonanza. Same with Norman.
They don’t give a fuck about making money with this.
Yes. The article was just pointing out the big money and the NBA to pick an entirely different sport so as to not pick on the PGA because then it is just a finger-pointing issue.
This was comparing the hypocrisy of the politics in both -- one is forefront now because of 'human rights violations' and the other is shushed up by the media despite 'human rights violations'. The issue the guys were pointing out is that as soon as the TV realizes the potential for big money it will change. Along with the fact the the PGA looks silly and seems to make it look like they are losing big names and afraid it may hurt their revenue, etc.
Of course it was about the money for the players as well.
Oh they definitely care about making money over the long term
If they can make the 48 slots very sought after among the golfing world and get a big TV deal they’re sitting pretty for the long term.
And they’re not that far off right now.
They need Cam Smith and then say 2 more from this group — JT, Rory, Spieth, Zalatoris, Scheffler, Cantlay, Fitzpatrick, Xander, Rahm, Morikawa
Out of that group Rory and Rahm are only two that move the meter in terms of TV ratings, maybe Spieth.
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