Miami +1 - still dont believe Buffalo should be a road favorite in their division...this line stinks to high heaven and everyone knows it and people are piling on buffalo like they are running the K Gun. Sagarin has this line at miami -1.5 without HFA.
math models
Saints +3 - Brees will throw all day on that secondary. Saints need to come with the same gameplan they did vs minny to force Rivers to beat them. Payton is a good enough coach for that. Does anyone know the field conditions this week in London? weather, soccer use, etc...thanks. SD should never be laying any chalk outside of Qualcomm
Texans -9 - a gross amount of chalk but im willing to lay it on a very underrated offense...schaub, johnson, slaton, daniels, walter...very dangerous. cincy is worse than kc or detroit with fitzpatrick at QB.i saw it first hand when they played the Jets, they are awful...and amazingly enough the public seems to think Houston should not be laying 9. they were up 21-0 last week and could have put up 60. det scored on a 96 yd TD and a 54 yd FG, both abnormalities to make the score much closer than what it was. wont happen this week
Tenn -4 on MNF - this line should be 10. i would lay at least 7 in this spot if not more. best running team in the league, best o and d line in the league. colts are last in running and have two rookies on the o line. fisher knows dungy. colts do not do well playing from behind or facing 80/20 running type teams. i could go on and on...people are betting on perception that the colts are the colts of old. they are not and are far from it. their time has passed for now...tennessee's coming out party is monday night
dont like much else...not playing against arizona b/c i would have to lay points with delhomme...no thanks
dallas -1 intrigues me. its as if the oddsmakers know the public likes to beat a dead horse so when they could have made dallas -3, they make them -1 and the public lines up to take tampa
i hate to use the term public...lets call it popular thought or conventional wisdom..public is shorter
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a few games i like this week:
Miami +1 - still dont believe Buffalo should be a road favorite in their division...this line stinks to high heaven and everyone knows it and people are piling on buffalo like they are running the K Gun. Sagarin has this line at miami -1.5 without HFA.
math models
Saints +3 - Brees will throw all day on that secondary. Saints need to come with the same gameplan they did vs minny to force Rivers to beat them. Payton is a good enough coach for that. Does anyone know the field conditions this week in London? weather, soccer use, etc...thanks. SD should never be laying any chalk outside of Qualcomm
Texans -9 - a gross amount of chalk but im willing to lay it on a very underrated offense...schaub, johnson, slaton, daniels, walter...very dangerous. cincy is worse than kc or detroit with fitzpatrick at QB.i saw it first hand when they played the Jets, they are awful...and amazingly enough the public seems to think Houston should not be laying 9. they were up 21-0 last week and could have put up 60. det scored on a 96 yd TD and a 54 yd FG, both abnormalities to make the score much closer than what it was. wont happen this week
Tenn -4 on MNF - this line should be 10. i would lay at least 7 in this spot if not more. best running team in the league, best o and d line in the league. colts are last in running and have two rookies on the o line. fisher knows dungy. colts do not do well playing from behind or facing 80/20 running type teams. i could go on and on...people are betting on perception that the colts are the colts of old. they are not and are far from it. their time has passed for now...tennessee's coming out party is monday night
dont like much else...not playing against arizona b/c i would have to lay points with delhomme...no thanks
dallas -1 intrigues me. its as if the oddsmakers know the public likes to beat a dead horse so when they could have made dallas -3, they make them -1 and the public lines up to take tampa
i hate to use the term public...lets call it popular thought or conventional wisdom..public is shorter
Totally agree with Miami, way too many people on the Bills.
Don't want to touch the Saints/Chargers game and the Texans has been looking like a stronger play as every day passes. I may look into that one.
Love the Titans, waiting for Monday.
I'm really thinking about backing the Cowboys here. Why I exactly don't know but everybody is jumping on TB now and I figure if Dallas doesn't get it done this weekend at home they aren't making the playoffs.
Always enjoy your insight on NFL KOAJ
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Totally agree with Miami, way too many people on the Bills.
Don't want to touch the Saints/Chargers game and the Texans has been looking like a stronger play as every day passes. I may look into that one.
Love the Titans, waiting for Monday.
I'm really thinking about backing the Cowboys here. Why I exactly don't know but everybody is jumping on TB now and I figure if Dallas doesn't get it done this weekend at home they aren't making the playoffs.
Jets/Chiefs under 39 - Brett is sore. Cotchery, Coles, Franks, Baker, and Woody are hurting. T. Jones coming off a big day is going up against the worst run D in the league. Chiefs on their 3rd string QB and LJ is out.
Panthers/Cardinals under 43.5 - Carolina's D is scary at home. Cards D is as healthy as it's been in a while and an underrated group IMO.
49ers/Seahwaks over 40.5 - I know Seattle is bad but I see no reason why both teams won't score into the 20's.
Eagles/Falcons under 45 - Philly's D is solid, particularly at the Linc while Atlanta is averaging 15 points on the road. I like the Falcons speed on D to frustrate the Eagles enough to keep this relatively close and low scoring.
Chargers/Saints under - not an official play yet because my guy has it at 45 and I know i can do better. Decent chance of rain (Bustin Piles has been providing updated weather reports). Between the travel and potentially awful field I'll take this at 46 or more.
Sides I'm leaning towards:
Miami +2 Agree with KOAJ/nuggetsfan.
Skins -7.5 I think Washington's recent statistical dominance finally shows up on the scoreboard.
Tennessee -4.5 This game reminds me of the fact that before the season started Titan65 predicted the Colts wouldn't make the playoffs.
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My only definite plays so far are totals:
Jets/Chiefs under 39 - Brett is sore. Cotchery, Coles, Franks, Baker, and Woody are hurting. T. Jones coming off a big day is going up against the worst run D in the league. Chiefs on their 3rd string QB and LJ is out.
Panthers/Cardinals under 43.5 - Carolina's D is scary at home. Cards D is as healthy as it's been in a while and an underrated group IMO.
49ers/Seahwaks over 40.5 - I know Seattle is bad but I see no reason why both teams won't score into the 20's.
Eagles/Falcons under 45 - Philly's D is solid, particularly at the Linc while Atlanta is averaging 15 points on the road. I like the Falcons speed on D to frustrate the Eagles enough to keep this relatively close and low scoring.
Chargers/Saints under - not an official play yet because my guy has it at 45 and I know i can do better. Decent chance of rain (Bustin Piles has been providing updated weather reports). Between the travel and potentially awful field I'll take this at 46 or more.
Sides I'm leaning towards:
Miami +2 Agree with KOAJ/nuggetsfan.
Skins -7.5 I think Washington's recent statistical dominance finally shows up on the scoreboard.
Tennessee -4.5 This game reminds me of the fact that before the season started Titan65 predicted the Colts wouldn't make the playoffs.
I'm still in a KO pool (pick the winner, not ATS).....5 left....3 make the money. Can I depend on your Jets this weekend? If it's gonna be a monsoon, that makes me even more nervous then I already was. The other option is probably the Texans....and I do like 'em a bit, but they can show some chinks in the armour on defense. And I know anything can happen, but how can KC score more then 10 points unless they get something from their D and/or special teams? And I certainly can put at least a little faith in Favre in bad weather I think.
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KOAJ-
I'm still in a KO pool (pick the winner, not ATS).....5 left....3 make the money. Can I depend on your Jets this weekend? If it's gonna be a monsoon, that makes me even more nervous then I already was. The other option is probably the Texans....and I do like 'em a bit, but they can show some chinks in the armour on defense. And I know anything can happen, but how can KC score more then 10 points unless they get something from their D and/or special teams? And I certainly can put at least a little faith in Favre in bad weather I think.
its been a good year hutch...no complaints. haven't deviated from my approach at all this year...just gotten smarter from last year and not forced anything. i really need to think its better than a 50/50 shot for me to play it
im in a survivor also...will be on the jets this week most likely
my choices are:
jets philly tenn NE
i hate waiting for monday night...btw the jets and philly. falcons are a live dog...want to part of going against them and i dont trust philly so ill be on the jets
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its been a good year hutch...no complaints. haven't deviated from my approach at all this year...just gotten smarter from last year and not forced anything. i really need to think its better than a 50/50 shot for me to play it
im in a survivor also...will be on the jets this week most likely
my choices are:
jets philly tenn NE
i hate waiting for monday night...btw the jets and philly. falcons are a live dog...want to part of going against them and i dont trust philly so ill be on the jets
koaj,i like the miami pick,i am not sold on buffalo yet,i think the best bet on the board is dallas..not sold on tampa and brad johnson is a capable qb,too many people are over reacting to a terrible loss to the rams..i still thin dallas should be a 4 point fav. in this game...good luck
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koaj,i like the miami pick,i am not sold on buffalo yet,i think the best bet on the board is dallas..not sold on tampa and brad johnson is a capable qb,too many people are over reacting to a terrible loss to the rams..i still thin dallas should be a 4 point fav. in this game...good luck
iron_mike - the line is probably right...usually you get "public" money flocking to dallas but they are a wounded soldier so you see the reverse effect...making the line smaller and having "public" money still to against dallas
usually you get extra points going against dallas this week you get it for going with them
strange times
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even better PJ
iron_mike - the line is probably right...usually you get "public" money flocking to dallas but they are a wounded soldier so you see the reverse effect...making the line smaller and having "public" money still to against dallas
usually you get extra points going against dallas this week you get it for going with them
Miami +1 - still dont believe Buffalo should be a road favorite in their division...this line stinks to high heaven and everyone knows it and people are piling on buffalo like they are running the K Gun. Sagarin has this line at miami -1.5 without HFA.
math models
Saints +3 - Brees will throw all day on that secondary. Saints need to come with the same gameplan they did vs minny to force Rivers to beat them. Payton is a good enough coach for that. Does anyone know the field conditions this week in London? weather, soccer use, etc...thanks. SD should never be laying any chalk outside of Qualcomm
Texans -9 - a gross amount of chalk but im willing to lay it on a very underrated offense...schaub, johnson, slaton, daniels, walter...very dangerous. cincy is worse than kc or detroit with fitzpatrick at QB.i saw it first hand when they played the Jets, they are awful...and amazingly enough the public seems to think Houston should not be laying 9. they were up 21-0 last week and could have put up 60. det scored on a 96 yd TD and a 54 yd FG, both abnormalities to make the score much closer than what it was. wont happen this week
Tenn -4 on MNF - this line should be 10. i would lay at least 7 in this spot if not more. best running team in the league, best o and d line in the league. colts are last in running and have two rookies on the o line. fisher knows dungy. colts do not do well playing from behind or facing 80/20 running type teams. i could go on and on...people are betting on perception that the colts are the colts of old. they are not and are far from it. their time has passed for now...tennessee's coming out party is monday night
dont like much else...not playing against arizona b/c i would have to lay points with delhomme...no thanks
dallas -1 intrigues me. its as if the oddsmakers know the public likes to beat a dead horse so when they could have made dallas -3, they make them -1 and the public lines up to take tampa
i hate to use the term public...lets call it popular thought or conventional wisdom..public is shorter
How often does the public ever back Tampa, and they are backing them IN Dallas against the biggest public team in the league?
Hope you go undefeated this week KOAJ as I am on many of those myself.
Disgusting record.
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21-9-2 YTD
a few games i like this week:
Miami +1 - still dont believe Buffalo should be a road favorite in their division...this line stinks to high heaven and everyone knows it and people are piling on buffalo like they are running the K Gun. Sagarin has this line at miami -1.5 without HFA.
math models
Saints +3 - Brees will throw all day on that secondary. Saints need to come with the same gameplan they did vs minny to force Rivers to beat them. Payton is a good enough coach for that. Does anyone know the field conditions this week in London? weather, soccer use, etc...thanks. SD should never be laying any chalk outside of Qualcomm
Texans -9 - a gross amount of chalk but im willing to lay it on a very underrated offense...schaub, johnson, slaton, daniels, walter...very dangerous. cincy is worse than kc or detroit with fitzpatrick at QB.i saw it first hand when they played the Jets, they are awful...and amazingly enough the public seems to think Houston should not be laying 9. they were up 21-0 last week and could have put up 60. det scored on a 96 yd TD and a 54 yd FG, both abnormalities to make the score much closer than what it was. wont happen this week
Tenn -4 on MNF - this line should be 10. i would lay at least 7 in this spot if not more. best running team in the league, best o and d line in the league. colts are last in running and have two rookies on the o line. fisher knows dungy. colts do not do well playing from behind or facing 80/20 running type teams. i could go on and on...people are betting on perception that the colts are the colts of old. they are not and are far from it. their time has passed for now...tennessee's coming out party is monday night
dont like much else...not playing against arizona b/c i would have to lay points with delhomme...no thanks
dallas -1 intrigues me. its as if the oddsmakers know the public likes to beat a dead horse so when they could have made dallas -3, they make them -1 and the public lines up to take tampa
i hate to use the term public...lets call it popular thought or conventional wisdom..public is shorter
How often does the public ever back Tampa, and they are backing them IN Dallas against the biggest public team in the league?
Hope you go undefeated this week KOAJ as I am on many of those myself.
KOAJ what do you think about the Giants this week? Overall I think both teams are even in almost every area and the -3 is the standard home line but it seems funny how after two weeks of playing crappy pass rushes that people forget just how bad their offensive line is, and that Ben holds onto the ball too long. I think the Giants have a really big edge in this department.
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KOAJ what do you think about the Giants this week? Overall I think both teams are even in almost every area and the -3 is the standard home line but it seems funny how after two weeks of playing crappy pass rushes that people forget just how bad their offensive line is, and that Ben holds onto the ball too long. I think the Giants have a really big edge in this department.
I know, man. Why is "the public" piling on freaking TB?
Even without all those knuckleheads, Dallas is still strong as hell potentially.
That Ratliff guy in the middle of the d-line is a monster.
Dallas has got to show up sooner than later. Didn't Dallas just demolish TB at Texas Stadium last TG?
The rule is play Tampa at home and avoid/fade on the road. If not for a dumb penalty by the Bears they would be 0-3 on the roa and here are the yard totals they have given up in their three road games: 438, 405, 333. Yikes!
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Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:
I know, man. Why is "the public" piling on freaking TB?
Even without all those knuckleheads, Dallas is still strong as hell potentially.
That Ratliff guy in the middle of the d-line is a monster.
Dallas has got to show up sooner than later. Didn't Dallas just demolish TB at Texas Stadium last TG?
The rule is play Tampa at home and avoid/fade on the road. If not for a dumb penalty by the Bears they would be 0-3 on the roa and here are the yard totals they have given up in their three road games: 438, 405, 333. Yikes!
Texans - don't know if they are good enough to hold a late lead of over a TD
Tenn - I actually like Indy. They looked so bad last week and Tenn. dominated so much and the line opens -3? Indy plays best game of the year and loses by FG at worst.
Dallas - Think the find a way to beat TB at home.
Steelers beat the Giants. Look for Steelers to game plan much like the Browns. If you make G-men play from behind and not pound you with Jacobs, they can be beaten.
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Like Miami quite a bit.
Saints - too many unknows to figure that game out
Texans - don't know if they are good enough to hold a late lead of over a TD
Tenn - I actually like Indy. They looked so bad last week and Tenn. dominated so much and the line opens -3? Indy plays best game of the year and loses by FG at worst.
Dallas - Think the find a way to beat TB at home.
Steelers beat the Giants. Look for Steelers to game plan much like the Browns. If you make G-men play from behind and not pound you with Jacobs, they can be beaten.
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