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    PURE EXAMPLE OF VEGAS CONTROLLING THE NFL!!!!!.......!!!!!

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    Creativity88
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 2:17 AM ET #1

    Long read with real examples, no bullshiet!!!

    I am so hyped of hearing the answers of those people who will say this is bs.......bring it, i can`t wait of reading your lies on something that whatever person who bet the over on this game that if you wacthed the whole game you knew that something very strange was happening at the end of the game and i am actually talking especially from the point where san diego scores their 4 touchdown of the game and they go up 35-7 with 14min20sec remaining...........and here is where my theory starts

    The NFL is one of the biggest if not the biggest profit that Vegas has at sports gambling and i see them very easily with all the $ressources$ they have and especially with all the influence they have over people which can be anyone from the commissioner of the nfl to the freaking towel boy and i mean everyone that is involved at making this beautifull sport happen!! Billions of dollars are played every weekend and i guarantee you that 1billion$ at least betted just on a nice weekly MNF..........now here is where the people controlling the gambling in vegas kicks in............the public was almost 50/50 on the %betting on the spread and close to 50/50 on the money line where a little more people took the money line on denver with around 56% which means that the public didn't bet a lot on  the +400 for the denver win on the money line, the bets where less then an usual one bcse it pays out more. So then Vegas is sitting at a little loss with around 52% of the public winning easily at the 14:20 mark in the 4th quarter with the spread bet and the fact that at the money line they are even or losing a bit since not paying a lot at a win from san diego money line bet and not making that much with the +400 bets even tho the public loses with 56%. So them losing a little at this point on the money line and the spread, the total could be a bigger loss with over 70% of the people on the total for the over which was 50 to 51 points, so that's when that influence and connections kick in for vegas to CONTROL the NFL!!!!! They defenetly don't do it at all times but in scenarios like this where every fool out there who was involved with a bet on this MNF game between san diego and denver on the total or on the game knew that something fishy was going on...........so with 14min20sec left you are down 35-7........here is where all the evidence starts..........vegas and i mean the people controlling its gambling get the message as quickly as possible to their connections and the people they control involving the NFL, and i guarantee u that after the denver touchdown with 8min55sec remaining the message was clear to those involved and in control of the outcome of the game. The funny part here that we are not even talking about the referees of this game even tho this year they've been calling more often penalties and from which many are very strange. So the message is this game needs to stop scoring, they don't necessarly need to know the number to stay under just that it's time to cool it off, turn it down which ever way that it's still a game. With 8min55sec it's very obvious even for a kid who likes the nfl that you go for the onside kick, down 3td and with a san diego team who messed with your defence all game long....... so rigth away clear example that the message was in!!!! San Diego get's the ball at their 20 line after a clear intentional do not do an onside kick, and marches down the field to the denver 40, 2nd down and 5 to go, they get 2 penalties of 5yards one for false start and the other on a strange delay of game from a timeout!!!! from coming after a timeout, are you kidding me, very obvious oopss we made it to far let's make sure we don't score even a field goal!!! San Diego punts and with 4min44sec denver gets the ball at their 9 yard line. Usually most if not all real nfl games in this situation you see the team down by much march down the field and try to score and most of the time scoring or beeing really close, and what i mean by that is that the denver quarterback trew 4 straigth complete passes for 8 yards, then 10, 8 and 5 yards!!! They clearly had the message the denver side too, do not score just cool it..........i mean come one they didn't try there to go do whatever most if not all of the other teams would have done in that situation. Incredible is that you can actually see the denver defence attackers trying really really hard, as if it was a very close game. Denver get's to 4th and 22 at their 28 yard line and they intentionally go for a punt and not for it, just to make sure that san diego wouldn't go for 3 and out and a late field goal to cover. I know for a fact that some people will come in here and say that this is bullshiet and bash me and say stupid things, but i am here to show you a clear example of the NFL beeing controlled by vegas to this point, and i am very sorry and verry very dissapointed that this is real and it's defenetly a spit on this beautifull game which i love so much and follow every sunday!!! This world is full of crap, and lies and defenetly trickery, and the funny part is that i didn't even bet on this game and i could see this since knowing the lines and following lot's of discussion in the forums here. Try to leave a smart comment, no need for stupidity, even tho i know that there are a few muppets who love to shiet on a topic......lol..........was just trying to share this with you and hope you BOL on all your future bets!!!!  And by the way english is my 3rd language, if there are mistakes i sincerely apologise, tried to correct it tomy best.....Later

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Long read with real examples, no bullshiet!!!

    I am so hyped of hearing the answers of those people who will say this is bs.......bring it, i can`t wait of reading your lies on something that whatever person who bet the over on this game that if you wacthed the whole game you knew that something very strange was happening at the end of the game and i am actually talking especially from the point where san diego scores their 4 touchdown of the game and they go up 35-7 with 14min20sec remaining...........and here is where my theory starts

    The NFL is one of the biggest if not the biggest profit that Vegas has at sports gambling and i see them very easily with all the $ressources$ they have and especially with all the influence they have over people which can be anyone from the commissioner of the nfl to the freaking towel boy and i mean everyone that is involved at making this beautifull sport happen!! Billions of dollars are played every weekend and i guarantee you that 1billion$ at least betted just on a nice weekly MNF..........now here is where the people controlling the gambling in vegas kicks in............the public was almost 50/50 on the %betting on the spread and close to 50/50 on the money line where a little more people took the money line on denver with around 56% which means that the public didn't bet a lot on  the +400 for the denver win on the money line, the bets where less then an usual one bcse it pays out more. So then Vegas is sitting at a little loss with around 52% of the public winning easily at the 14:20 mark in the 4th quarter with the spread bet and the fact that at the money line they are even or losing a bit since not paying a lot at a win from san diego money line bet and not making that much with the +400 bets even tho the public loses with 56%. So them losing a little at this point on the money line and the spread, the total could be a bigger loss with over 70% of the people on the total for the over which was 50 to 51 points, so that's when that influence and connections kick in for vegas to CONTROL the NFL!!!!! They defenetly don't do it at all times but in scenarios like this where every fool out there who was involved with a bet on this MNF game between san diego and denver on the total or on the game knew that something fishy was going on...........so with 14min20sec left you are down 35-7........here is where all the evidence starts..........vegas and i mean the people controlling its gambling get the message as quickly as possible to their connections and the people they control involving the NFL, and i guarantee u that after the denver touchdown with 8min55sec remaining the message was clear to those involved and in control of the outcome of the game. The funny part here that we are not even talking about the referees of this game even tho this year they've been calling more often penalties and from which many are very strange. So the message is this game needs to stop scoring, they don't necessarly need to know the number to stay under just that it's time to cool it off, turn it down which ever way that it's still a game. With 8min55sec it's very obvious even for a kid who likes the nfl that you go for the onside kick, down 3td and with a san diego team who messed with your defence all game long....... so rigth away clear example that the message was in!!!! San Diego get's the ball at their 20 line after a clear intentional do not do an onside kick, and marches down the field to the denver 40, 2nd down and 5 to go, they get 2 penalties of 5yards one for false start and the other on a strange delay of game from a timeout!!!! from coming after a timeout, are you kidding me, very obvious oopss we made it to far let's make sure we don't score even a field goal!!! San Diego punts and with 4min44sec denver gets the ball at their 9 yard line. Usually most if not all real nfl games in this situation you see the team down by much march down the field and try to score and most of the time scoring or beeing really close, and what i mean by that is that the denver quarterback trew 4 straigth complete passes for 8 yards, then 10, 8 and 5 yards!!! They clearly had the message the denver side too, do not score just cool it..........i mean come one they didn't try there to go do whatever most if not all of the other teams would have done in that situation. Incredible is that you can actually see the denver defence attackers trying really really hard, as if it was a very close game. Denver get's to 4th and 22 at their 28 yard line and they intentionally go for a punt and not for it, just to make sure that san diego wouldn't go for 3 and out and a late field goal to cover. I know for a fact that some people will come in here and say that this is bullshiet and bash me and say stupid things, but i am here to show you a clear example of the NFL beeing controlled by vegas to this point, and i am very sorry and verry very dissapointed that this is real and it's defenetly a spit on this beautifull game which i love so much and follow every sunday!!! This world is full of crap, and lies and defenetly trickery, and the funny part is that i didn't even bet on this game and i could see this since knowing the lines and following lot's of discussion in the forums here. Try to leave a smart comment, no need for stupidity, even tho i know that there are a few muppets who love to shiet on a topic......lol..........was just trying to share this with you and hope you BOL on all your future bets!!!!  And by the way english is my 3rd language, if there are mistakes i sincerely apologise, tried to correct it tomy best.....Later

     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 2:31 AM ET #2

    It's what is said that matters!! But thank you for noticing
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    It's what is said that matters!! But thank you for noticing
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 2:32 AM ET #3

    dude your ridicoulous....so someone went up to san diego defense on the sideline and was like...let orton score a td?....

    the patch lloyd caught in the endzone was a hard ball to catch and he couldve easily dropped it...

    quit bitching cuz you lost your bet....stfu

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    dude your ridicoulous....so someone went up to san diego defense on the sideline and was like...let orton score a td?....

    the patch lloyd caught in the endzone was a hard ball to catch and he couldve easily dropped it...

    quit bitching cuz you lost your bet....stfu

     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 2:39 AM ET #4

    I didn't lose any bet my dear muppet, bcse i didn't place one, and the message came in clearly after that td when it was already 35-14, don't forget about the total beeing bet hard too for the over in the 2nd half!!!! It all started after that touchdown, but thanks for bringing your sunny ass in here!!!
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    I didn't lose any bet my dear muppet, bcse i didn't place one, and the message came in clearly after that td when it was already 35-14, don't forget about the total beeing bet hard too for the over in the 2nd half!!!! It all started after that touchdown, but thanks for bringing your sunny ass in here!!!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 3:08 AM ET #5

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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 3:22 AM ET #6

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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 3:41 AM ET #7

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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 3:44 AM ET #8

    and next time try to make it bigger

    ,and more spacing


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    and next time try to make it bigger

    ,and more spacing


     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 3:45 AM ET #9

    orton is a dink and dunk qb....you were surprised when he threw 4 consecutive short passes?????


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    orton is a dink and dunk qb....you were surprised when he threw 4 consecutive short passes?????


     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 7:29 AM ET #10

    Just shut up. There are pleny of better examples than that one.
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    Just shut up. There are pleny of better examples than that one.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 8:13 AM ET #11

    what a complete moron
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    what a complete moron
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 11:41 AM ET #12

    One word:  Paragraphs.
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    One word:  Paragraphs.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 11:53 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:

    One word:  Paragraphs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:

    One word:  Paragraphs.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 11:57 AM ET #14

    "Billions of dollars are played every weekend and i guarantee you that 1billion$ at least betted just on a nice weekly MNF"

    If you are referring to money bet in Vegas for this MNF game you are way off. In 2010, for the whole year at all the casinos, there was a net $2.4 billion wagered at the sportsbooks for the entire year. So you are saying that billions were bet on just this MNF game alone!?  The sportsbooks revenue for casinos is minimal compared to many table games and nowhere near slot machines. Vegas doesn't control shit when it comes to sports, they don't have to and it isn't worth their while.
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    "Billions of dollars are played every weekend and i guarantee you that 1billion$ at least betted just on a nice weekly MNF"

    If you are referring to money bet in Vegas for this MNF game you are way off. In 2010, for the whole year at all the casinos, there was a net $2.4 billion wagered at the sportsbooks for the entire year. So you are saying that billions were bet on just this MNF game alone!?  The sportsbooks revenue for casinos is minimal compared to many table games and nowhere near slot machines. Vegas doesn't control shit when it comes to sports, they don't have to and it isn't worth their while.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 12:04 PM ET #15

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfinger:

    "Billions of dollars are played every weekend and i guarantee you that 1billion$ at least betted just on a nice weekly MNF"

    If you are referring to money bet in Vegas for this MNF game you are way off. In 2010, for the whole year at all the casinos, there was a net $2.4 billion wagered at the sportsbooks for the entire year. So you are saying that billions were bet on just this MNF game alone!?  The sportsbooks revenue for casinos is minimal compared to many table games and nowhere near slot machines. Vegas doesn't control shit when it comes to sports, they don't have to and it isn't worth their while.



    Agree 100%.   Even when Vegas pays off sports bettors, most sports bettors lose back 50% on table games right after they get paid.


    If anyone is fixing games, it is

    1)  A player who got into trouble and is paying off debt or being blackmailed. 

    2)  Refs for whatever motive

    3)  The mob or other criminal syndicate

    4)  The TV networks and NFL front office, to get matchups they want.  They don't actually fix games, but they can influence games.  They tell the refs how they want the game called, and that will favor one team over another.


    The problem with fixing an NFL game is that if you bet small, then it is not worthwhile, but if you bet big then your bets will stand out, and the books all have sophisticated software to detect unusual betting patterns.  If 5 people open an account for 3K, and they all put 3K on the Chargers then that is an obvious red flag.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gfinger:

    "Billions of dollars are played every weekend and i guarantee you that 1billion$ at least betted just on a nice weekly MNF"

    If you are referring to money bet in Vegas for this MNF game you are way off. In 2010, for the whole year at all the casinos, there was a net $2.4 billion wagered at the sportsbooks for the entire year. So you are saying that billions were bet on just this MNF game alone!?  The sportsbooks revenue for casinos is minimal compared to many table games and nowhere near slot machines. Vegas doesn't control shit when it comes to sports, they don't have to and it isn't worth their while.



    Agree 100%.   Even when Vegas pays off sports bettors, most sports bettors lose back 50% on table games right after they get paid.


    If anyone is fixing games, it is

    1)  A player who got into trouble and is paying off debt or being blackmailed. 

    2)  Refs for whatever motive

    3)  The mob or other criminal syndicate

    4)  The TV networks and NFL front office, to get matchups they want.  They don't actually fix games, but they can influence games.  They tell the refs how they want the game called, and that will favor one team over another.


    The problem with fixing an NFL game is that if you bet small, then it is not worthwhile, but if you bet big then your bets will stand out, and the books all have sophisticated software to detect unusual betting patterns.  If 5 people open an account for 3K, and they all put 3K on the Chargers then that is an obvious red flag.



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:




    Agree 100%.   Even when Vegas pays off sports bettors, most sports bettors lose back 50% on table games right after they get paid.


    If anyone is fixing games, it is

    1)  A player who got into trouble and is paying off debt or being blackmailed. 

    2)  Refs for whatever motive

    3)  The mob or other criminal syndicate

    4)  The TV networks and NFL front office, to get matchups they want.  They don't actually fix games, but they can influence games.  They tell the refs how they want the game called, and that will favor one team over another.


    The problem with fixing an NFL game is that if you bet small, then it is not worthwhile, but if you bet big then your bets will stand out, and the books all have sophisticated software to detect unusual betting patterns.  If 5 people open an account for 3K, and they all put 3K on the Chargers then that is an obvious red flag.




    So the networks and NFL office are going to fix games (influencing the outcome is the same as fixing) and risk losing countless billions in revenues should they be discovered, just so they can increase TV ratings for one game???

    Fixing a game in the NFL today is absurdly difficult.

    College is a different story. It's easy to pay off a few college players who will not make it to the next level ... same for college refs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:




    Agree 100%.   Even when Vegas pays off sports bettors, most sports bettors lose back 50% on table games right after they get paid.


    If anyone is fixing games, it is

    1)  A player who got into trouble and is paying off debt or being blackmailed. 

    2)  Refs for whatever motive

    3)  The mob or other criminal syndicate

    4)  The TV networks and NFL front office, to get matchups they want.  They don't actually fix games, but they can influence games.  They tell the refs how they want the game called, and that will favor one team over another.


    The problem with fixing an NFL game is that if you bet small, then it is not worthwhile, but if you bet big then your bets will stand out, and the books all have sophisticated software to detect unusual betting patterns.  If 5 people open an account for 3K, and they all put 3K on the Chargers then that is an obvious red flag.




    So the networks and NFL office are going to fix games (influencing the outcome is the same as fixing) and risk losing countless billions in revenues should they be discovered, just so they can increase TV ratings for one game???

    Fixing a game in the NFL today is absurdly difficult.

    College is a different story. It's easy to pay off a few college players who will not make it to the next level ... same for college refs.
     
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    I have one word for you: gofuckyourself
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    I have one word for you: gofuckyourself
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    So the networks and NFL office are going to fix games (influencing the outcome is the same as fixing) and risk losing countless billions in revenues should they be discovered, just so they can increase TV ratings for one game???

    Fixing a game in the NFL today is absurdly difficult.

    College is a different story. It's easy to pay off a few college players who will not make it to the next level ... same for college refs.


    First of all, I said "if anyone is fixing games" so I am not saying that fixing games happens.

    Also, I said that the TV Networks and NFL front office "influence" games.  If you decide to interpret the rules a certain way, this will help one team over another, due to style of play.  This is not fixing a game, and is completely legal, but is influencing a game.  Lets say you allow O Linemen to hold a little more.  This would really hurt the Colts who have good DEs. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:


    So the networks and NFL office are going to fix games (influencing the outcome is the same as fixing) and risk losing countless billions in revenues should they be discovered, just so they can increase TV ratings for one game???

    Fixing a game in the NFL today is absurdly difficult.

    College is a different story. It's easy to pay off a few college players who will not make it to the next level ... same for college refs.


    First of all, I said "if anyone is fixing games" so I am not saying that fixing games happens.

    Also, I said that the TV Networks and NFL front office "influence" games.  If you decide to interpret the rules a certain way, this will help one team over another, due to style of play.  This is not fixing a game, and is completely legal, but is influencing a game.  Lets say you allow O Linemen to hold a little more.  This would really hurt the Colts who have good DEs. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 12:35 PM ET #21

    1.  If English is your 3rd language, don't write a long story...keep it short and simple

    2.  That game was not fixed in any way, shape, or form.

    3.  The Broncos should NOT have kicked an onside kick when they were down 35-14...there was 9 minutes left...you kick off and try and stop them and get the ball back quickly.


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    1.  If English is your 3rd language, don't write a long story...keep it short and simple

    2.  That game was not fixed in any way, shape, or form.

    3.  The Broncos should NOT have kicked an onside kick when they were down 35-14...there was 9 minutes left...you kick off and try and stop them and get the ball back quickly.


     
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    It would be interesting to mike the refs on the field and when they go to the review booth to really hear what is being said.  It does seem that sometimes the refs in the NFL are being controlled by a higher power, you also forgot to mention the fact that there were 4 flags in a row thrown when Denver was marching the ball inside the 2 minute warning before half. 

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    It would be interesting to mike the refs on the field and when they go to the review booth to really hear what is being said.  It does seem that sometimes the refs in the NFL are being controlled by a higher power, you also forgot to mention the fact that there were 4 flags in a row thrown when Denver was marching the ball inside the 2 minute warning before half. 

     
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    I love muppets who think vegas doesn`t make a lot of money of betting on the NFL!!! 2.4 billion$ a year only of the nfl, hahaha, maybe a weekend with so many beautifull games played, you don`t have to go to vegas and place a bet on the nfl to be part of that, you think vegas only owns some shietty dry land at the end of nowhere, they own gambling in the states. Just around 300million fatefull people living there!!! You do the math and tell me that gambling on the nfl it`s nothing, that`s exactly what vegas wants you to think!!!
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    I love muppets who think vegas doesn`t make a lot of money of betting on the NFL!!! 2.4 billion$ a year only of the nfl, hahaha, maybe a weekend with so many beautifull games played, you don`t have to go to vegas and place a bet on the nfl to be part of that, you think vegas only owns some shietty dry land at the end of nowhere, they own gambling in the states. Just around 300million fatefull people living there!!! You do the math and tell me that gambling on the nfl it`s nothing, that`s exactly what vegas wants you to think!!!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 23, 2010 - 5:52 PM ET #24

    The game total was actually heavily bet to the under in the last couple hours last night. Or are you just choosing to ignore this? The line actually dropped back down to 49.5.

    I love muppets who cry conspiracy and then write 10 paragraphs on it but only use one paragraph. More people with have read your rant in it's entirity ( including me ) if you broke it up into readable paragraphs.

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    The game total was actually heavily bet to the under in the last couple hours last night. Or are you just choosing to ignore this? The line actually dropped back down to 49.5.

    I love muppets who cry conspiracy and then write 10 paragraphs on it but only use one paragraph. More people with have read your rant in it's entirity ( including me ) if you broke it up into readable paragraphs.

    The Queen in a Habs jersey. That says it all.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creativity88:

    I love muppets who think vegas doesn`t make a lot of money of betting on the NFL!!! 2.4 billion$ a year only of the nfl, hahaha, maybe a weekend with so many beautifull games played, you don`t have to go to vegas and place a bet on the nfl to be part of that, you think vegas only owns some shietty dry land at the end of nowhere, they own gambling in the states. Just around 300million fatefull people living there!!! You do the math and tell me that gambling on the nfl it`s nothing, that`s exactly what vegas wants you to think!!!

    simple solution to your problem: quit gambling on the nfl or STFU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creativity88:

    I love muppets who think vegas doesn`t make a lot of money of betting on the NFL!!! 2.4 billion$ a year only of the nfl, hahaha, maybe a weekend with so many beautifull games played, you don`t have to go to vegas and place a bet on the nfl to be part of that, you think vegas only owns some shietty dry land at the end of nowhere, they own gambling in the states. Just around 300million fatefull people living there!!! You do the math and tell me that gambling on the nfl it`s nothing, that`s exactly what vegas wants you to think!!!

    simple solution to your problem: quit gambling on the nfl or STFU

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