Dude, I've kept my mouth shut to, but this is bullshit. You have copied him for 40 days and running (I have him at 40 Tarheelz). This is what IC had yesterday: Hmm...Look at the similarities. Plus, you have waited till' 5:30pm to post your picks today and he typically posts it early morning, but why in the world are you waiting this long.
Winning 16 of 22 Days in January (73%)
Winning 17 of 23 Days (74%)
20 of 26 POD Winners. (77%)
January POD Run: 16-6 (73%) - Doing 1 POD per Day.
110-67 POD Run (61% since June 23rd - 1 POD per Day)
Best POD Run in the Nation.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Basketball 2007: 96-66 (59%)
52-29 (62%) NBA Run &
NBA 2007: 64-41 (60%)
18-11 College Basketball Run (63%)(Last 17 Days) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
IC's Plays Yesterday:
Yesterday's Analysis 2-1
Nets/Kings Over 201.5 (POD)
I have said time and time again for roughly 4 weeks that when indeed
the Kings get healthy, they will go on an ATS run similar to what the
Warriors did. I explained this in detail in the blog today in detail:
If you read this blog every day, there should be little to no surprise
given how much I love the Kings given the return of their starters and
the likelihood of an ATS run. I have commented relentlessly on the fact
that if indeed the Kings get healthy, similar to when Stephen Jackson
came back for the Warriors, I stated that this team will go on a
ridiculous ATS run. When Jackson came back, I believe the Warriors went
on to cover nearly 10 games in a row as they desperately were looking
to get back into the Western Conference playoff picture after losing
around 6 to 8 ballgames in a row. Well, the Kings are the same way
looking to get back into the playoff mix. Having said that, the Nets do
have revenge as the Kings won outright on the road at New Jersey
earlier this year, a game that I called outright for the Kings
successfully. The Nets however have lost their last 5 ballgames and
consequently their last 5 covers as well. I typically do not favor the
over in Nets ballgames but after their terrible performance on the road
against the Suns, I wouldn't be surprised if the Nets have a better
showing today and this game goes over - after all, the Kings dropped
100 at Detroit and typically they score about 8 points better at home.
I have this game pegged more for the over and wouldn't be surprised if
the Nets ATS slide continues.
The bottom line here is I do expect the Nets to have a better showing
today as after all, they have revenge and come off 5 straight losses
and a terrible road game in Phoenix. Thus, they should do better
against Sac and likely top a 100 points and considering that scored 100
and 110 in Detroit and Indiana, I certainly expect them to score over a
100 points today in ARCO - a stadium where they were scoring a 100
points a game when they didn't have Bibby, Artest and even Kevin
Martin. I wouldn't be surprised if the Kings cover as well, but I do
like the over as well. The over is 6-1 between these 2 teams in
Sacramento and the over is 5-0 in Sac's last 5 home ballgames.
Drake +5.5 (Outright Winner)
As I said on the research thread today, if I ever find a team that I
believe can win a game outright by above 30% and they are catching 5
points or more, I will take the dog without a doubt. This is the basis
of my handicapping and what I firmly stand on and frankly, has led to
the success that I have had for 4 years in handicapping college
basketball. If I believe an underdog can win outright, such as Weber
State the other day, I will take that dog as well as the points. I have
Drake as a top 20 team in the power rankings and I they have revenge
from last year's tight loss to conference foe and rival Creighton.
Drake has proven their worth on the road so far as they have lost just
1 game this year - their first game - which was a road game against St.
Mary's who is a top 20 power ranking team and have won against the
likes of Iowa, Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Bradley and Wichita State on the
road this year. Now, they face a Creighton team that is very good, but
a top 50 team that has yet to beat a top 50 team all year. Granted,
they could lose this cover by free throws late, but I will take my
chances here with Drake as they are 6-0 ATS against teams that have a
winning % better than 60% meaning that they are undervalued and show up
against the "better" teams in the nation and 11-2 ATS in their last 13
ballgames overall.
Tennessee -4.5 (Loss)
Folks, Tennessee is getting no respect with this line. Irrelevant if
they cover this spread or not, they should be getting far more respect
given their splits and results thus far this year. Make no mistake
about it, the Vols are good this year and frankly, I think good enough
to win it all. I have said this repeatedly, I think Wildcats are
terrible this year and it will take some time for this team to get
better under Billy, they will be decent eventually, but once again, it
will take some time. I can't explain this play better than I did today
in my research blog:
I love the SEC and am looking forward to this game but was surprised to
see the line - is Kentucky really getting this much respect because
they beat Vandy at home? They sure are. If they had not beaten Vandy at
home, make no mistake about it, this team would have been dogged by 8
points for this game but because their last home game was a success and
the fact they come off 2 road losses in conference play, the line is
where it is today. Regardless, what do the Vols need to do get some
respect? I personally have them winning by roughly 9 points in this
game as I love Bruce Pearl in an ATS standpoint as he is not afraid to
lay the wood on teams in conference. [Here me closely, Bruce Pearl is
your Steve Spurrier of College Basketball. I'll say it again, Bruce
Pearl is your Steve Spurrier of college basketball[/b]. This man took
his team into South Carolina and pounded them by a score of 80-56 (24
points). This team beat a top 25 Xavier team by a greater margin than
the spread today and Kentucky is no top 25 team. Kentucky could play
spirited basketball today but I wouldn't be surprised if the Vols pull
away in the second half and hit the cover today. I do dislike the fact
that 2/3rds of the public is on the Vols.
I'll take public fav here as the numbers are far too appealing as the
Vols were a public fav at South Carolina and won by essentially 30
points and I think they do well here on the road today again. The Vols
are 6-1-1 ATS in their last 8 road games and the Wildcats are 2-8 ATS
in their last 10 ballgames against teams that have a winning % of over
60% - meaning that they do not step up to the plate against the better
teams in the league and they have inflated lines typically because of
the name "Kentucky" - as compared to what their true performance has
been this year.
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Dude, I've kept my mouth shut to, but this is bullshit. You have copied him for 40 days and running (I have him at 40 Tarheelz). This is what IC had yesterday: Hmm...Look at the similarities. Plus, you have waited till' 5:30pm to post your picks today and he typically posts it early morning, but why in the world are you waiting this long.
Winning 16 of 22 Days in January (73%)
Winning 17 of 23 Days (74%)
20 of 26 POD Winners. (77%)
January POD Run: 16-6 (73%) - Doing 1 POD per Day.
110-67 POD Run (61% since June 23rd - 1 POD per Day)
Best POD Run in the Nation.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Basketball 2007: 96-66 (59%)
52-29 (62%) NBA Run &
NBA 2007: 64-41 (60%)
18-11 College Basketball Run (63%)(Last 17 Days) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
IC's Plays Yesterday:
Yesterday's Analysis 2-1
Nets/Kings Over 201.5 (POD)
I have said time and time again for roughly 4 weeks that when indeed
the Kings get healthy, they will go on an ATS run similar to what the
Warriors did. I explained this in detail in the blog today in detail:
If you read this blog every day, there should be little to no surprise
given how much I love the Kings given the return of their starters and
the likelihood of an ATS run. I have commented relentlessly on the fact
that if indeed the Kings get healthy, similar to when Stephen Jackson
came back for the Warriors, I stated that this team will go on a
ridiculous ATS run. When Jackson came back, I believe the Warriors went
on to cover nearly 10 games in a row as they desperately were looking
to get back into the Western Conference playoff picture after losing
around 6 to 8 ballgames in a row. Well, the Kings are the same way
looking to get back into the playoff mix. Having said that, the Nets do
have revenge as the Kings won outright on the road at New Jersey
earlier this year, a game that I called outright for the Kings
successfully. The Nets however have lost their last 5 ballgames and
consequently their last 5 covers as well. I typically do not favor the
over in Nets ballgames but after their terrible performance on the road
against the Suns, I wouldn't be surprised if the Nets have a better
showing today and this game goes over - after all, the Kings dropped
100 at Detroit and typically they score about 8 points better at home.
I have this game pegged more for the over and wouldn't be surprised if
the Nets ATS slide continues.
The bottom line here is I do expect the Nets to have a better showing
today as after all, they have revenge and come off 5 straight losses
and a terrible road game in Phoenix. Thus, they should do better
against Sac and likely top a 100 points and considering that scored 100
and 110 in Detroit and Indiana, I certainly expect them to score over a
100 points today in ARCO - a stadium where they were scoring a 100
points a game when they didn't have Bibby, Artest and even Kevin
Martin. I wouldn't be surprised if the Kings cover as well, but I do
like the over as well. The over is 6-1 between these 2 teams in
Sacramento and the over is 5-0 in Sac's last 5 home ballgames.
Drake +5.5 (Outright Winner)
As I said on the research thread today, if I ever find a team that I
believe can win a game outright by above 30% and they are catching 5
points or more, I will take the dog without a doubt. This is the basis
of my handicapping and what I firmly stand on and frankly, has led to
the success that I have had for 4 years in handicapping college
basketball. If I believe an underdog can win outright, such as Weber
State the other day, I will take that dog as well as the points. I have
Drake as a top 20 team in the power rankings and I they have revenge
from last year's tight loss to conference foe and rival Creighton.
Drake has proven their worth on the road so far as they have lost just
1 game this year - their first game - which was a road game against St.
Mary's who is a top 20 power ranking team and have won against the
likes of Iowa, Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Bradley and Wichita State on the
road this year. Now, they face a Creighton team that is very good, but
a top 50 team that has yet to beat a top 50 team all year. Granted,
they could lose this cover by free throws late, but I will take my
chances here with Drake as they are 6-0 ATS against teams that have a
winning % better than 60% meaning that they are undervalued and show up
against the "better" teams in the nation and 11-2 ATS in their last 13
ballgames overall.
Tennessee -4.5 (Loss)
Folks, Tennessee is getting no respect with this line. Irrelevant if
they cover this spread or not, they should be getting far more respect
given their splits and results thus far this year. Make no mistake
about it, the Vols are good this year and frankly, I think good enough
to win it all. I have said this repeatedly, I think Wildcats are
terrible this year and it will take some time for this team to get
better under Billy, they will be decent eventually, but once again, it
will take some time. I can't explain this play better than I did today
in my research blog:
I love the SEC and am looking forward to this game but was surprised to
see the line - is Kentucky really getting this much respect because
they beat Vandy at home? They sure are. If they had not beaten Vandy at
home, make no mistake about it, this team would have been dogged by 8
points for this game but because their last home game was a success and
the fact they come off 2 road losses in conference play, the line is
where it is today. Regardless, what do the Vols need to do get some
respect? I personally have them winning by roughly 9 points in this
game as I love Bruce Pearl in an ATS standpoint as he is not afraid to
lay the wood on teams in conference. [Here me closely, Bruce Pearl is
your Steve Spurrier of College Basketball. I'll say it again, Bruce
Pearl is your Steve Spurrier of college basketball[/b]. This man took
his team into South Carolina and pounded them by a score of 80-56 (24
points). This team beat a top 25 Xavier team by a greater margin than
the spread today and Kentucky is no top 25 team. Kentucky could play
spirited basketball today but I wouldn't be surprised if the Vols pull
away in the second half and hit the cover today. I do dislike the fact
that 2/3rds of the public is on the Vols.
I'll take public fav here as the numbers are far too appealing as the
Vols were a public fav at South Carolina and won by essentially 30
points and I think they do well here on the road today again. The Vols
are 6-1-1 ATS in their last 8 road games and the Wildcats are 2-8 ATS
in their last 10 ballgames against teams that have a winning % of over
60% - meaning that they do not step up to the plate against the better
teams in the league and they have inflated lines typically because of
the name "Kentucky" - as compared to what their true performance has
been this year.
I don't give a shit if you win or not today, the evidence is overwhelming and you have copied IC for 40 days in a row, hundreds of people read his stuff every day - did you think you were not going to get caught eventually? LAME!
Wait until they get a hold of you in the penalty box! You should be thrown in the box for copying and waiting for his plays to be released in other forums. You are a man without merit.
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I don't give a shit if you win or not today, the evidence is overwhelming and you have copied IC for 40 days in a row, hundreds of people read his stuff every day - did you think you were not going to get caught eventually? LAME!
Wait until they get a hold of you in the penalty box! You should be thrown in the box for copying and waiting for his plays to be released in other forums. You are a man without merit.
HEY SF, Pertty funny how these people slam you and yet always on your thread. The way I see it is they love your picks and are just retarted. Keep up the good work buddy
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HEY SF, Pertty funny how these people slam you and yet always on your thread. The way I see it is they love your picks and are just retarted. Keep up the good work buddy
Wow, guys give your heads a shake. I was on all three of those picks as well - doesn't mean I was tailing SF or IC. Cappers pick the same games from time to time. Get over it. GL SF.
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Wow, guys give your heads a shake. I was on all three of those picks as well - doesn't mean I was tailing SF or IC. Cappers pick the same games from time to time. Get over it. GL SF.
how is sf copying ic ?????? you all have already said it.
ic went 2 -1 yesterday
sf went 7-1 if my math is right. sf is 5 games better. how can he be copying picks if he picked games that ic didnt make?
i sure hope sf makes some picks. i like to see what he picks
W,
It is not a coincidence with hundreds of ballgames, ATS sides and ATS totals, that SF will have the same 2-3 plays as IC with his larger card that he plays for the last 40 days.
It is not a coincidence that the last 40 days, SF releases his plays after IC posts them - roughly 30 minutes after.
It is not a coincidence that SF waits until IC posts for the last 40 days.
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Quote Originally Posted by wbeamiii:
how is sf copying ic ?????? you all have already said it.
ic went 2 -1 yesterday
sf went 7-1 if my math is right. sf is 5 games better. how can he be copying picks if he picked games that ic didnt make?
i sure hope sf makes some picks. i like to see what he picks
W,
It is not a coincidence with hundreds of ballgames, ATS sides and ATS totals, that SF will have the same 2-3 plays as IC with his larger card that he plays for the last 40 days.
It is not a coincidence that the last 40 days, SF releases his plays after IC posts them - roughly 30 minutes after.
It is not a coincidence that SF waits until IC posts for the last 40 days.
who is this IC i've nevr heard of him, and guys their is only same many ways to bet on certain games, maybe its just a coincidence lol? i dont know or care, i know sf has done well since ive been on this site and he is normally able to back up his bets with stats and trends what not, but since i dont know who IC is i can;t say wether or not he copied them, but anyways he is posting his picks for yall's good, it doesnt matter how or why he get thems as long as he shares them, who the cares, make some money off them, we are all on here to get info so we can make more money, its not a competition. and no matter how good a capper is or isnt wether he wins his bets or not still depends on luck.
You no life losers that go around trying to "bust" people amze me, i thought yopu guys would realize in high school that being a loser was a bad thing, and that nothing and none likes a rat, what do you guys want a Cover's Patrol Badge like you give the special kids in lower school
Leave the guy alone, its none of your business how or where he gets his picks, just be thankful he shares them
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who is this IC i've nevr heard of him, and guys their is only same many ways to bet on certain games, maybe its just a coincidence lol? i dont know or care, i know sf has done well since ive been on this site and he is normally able to back up his bets with stats and trends what not, but since i dont know who IC is i can;t say wether or not he copied them, but anyways he is posting his picks for yall's good, it doesnt matter how or why he get thems as long as he shares them, who the cares, make some money off them, we are all on here to get info so we can make more money, its not a competition. and no matter how good a capper is or isnt wether he wins his bets or not still depends on luck.
You no life losers that go around trying to "bust" people amze me, i thought yopu guys would realize in high school that being a loser was a bad thing, and that nothing and none likes a rat, what do you guys want a Cover's Patrol Badge like you give the special kids in lower school
Leave the guy alone, its none of your business how or where he gets his picks, just be thankful he shares them
Holy fuck SF what are these people on. Allies 2 posts get a f'n life.
Are there not moderators around that can stop this shit these people keep coming up with. Really we are here to let people know our pic's and discuss them. Anyone bashing another should be kicked off the fucking site. OR do you moderators like all the bullshit that has been around here lately with this crap. I have been around this site for 6 years now, and this is the worst I have seen it.
Get all the fuckin haters out of here or you are going to loose all your good cappers that are still here.
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Holy fuck SF what are these people on. Allies 2 posts get a f'n life.
Are there not moderators around that can stop this shit these people keep coming up with. Really we are here to let people know our pic's and discuss them. Anyone bashing another should be kicked off the fucking site. OR do you moderators like all the bullshit that has been around here lately with this crap. I have been around this site for 6 years now, and this is the worst I have seen it.
Get all the fuckin haters out of here or you are going to loose all your good cappers that are still here.
Oh yea, IC hasn't released it yet for you to cheat!
Guess it can't be 41 days in a row?
IT ALL MAKES SENSE AS TO WHY YOU PUT YOUR RECORD, WAIT UNTIL THE SERVICE PLAYS ARE RELEASED AND THEN YOU MAKE YOUR PLAY LATE TO CREATE HYPE - IN THAT WAY, YOU GET HYPE, BUT YOU ALSO GET TO WAIT AROUND TO CHEAT.
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What are your plays tonight Sportsfanatic?
Oh yea, IC hasn't released it yet for you to cheat!
Guess it can't be 41 days in a row?
IT ALL MAKES SENSE AS TO WHY YOU PUT YOUR RECORD, WAIT UNTIL THE SERVICE PLAYS ARE RELEASED AND THEN YOU MAKE YOUR PLAY LATE TO CREATE HYPE - IN THAT WAY, YOU GET HYPE, BUT YOU ALSO GET TO WAIT AROUND TO CHEAT.
Who is IC anyways, i think SF is top 5 best at capping games. I love your work SF why let some ppl make you feel like you should leave me the haters are winning
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Who is IC anyways, i think SF is top 5 best at capping games. I love your work SF why let some ppl make you feel like you should leave me the haters are winning
You people have lost your damn minds, this shit is absolutly hilarious. Check my plays I dont give a fuk. I hate touts and would never in my life pay someone for picks. I have been making 60% plus picks in all sports for years!!!!!!!!!! Now all of a sudden because I share picks with a tout im a fraud
btw last night I did have drake sac over and tenn both full and first half (ALL posted as initial leans in the early AM) before ANYONE would release their picks
Drake +6 W
Sacramento -5.5 W
Sacramento OVER W
Illinois +7 W
tenn first half W
tenn game L
florida/ottawa over W
edmonton over W
so I go 7-1 and the next day im getting slammed. are you idiots just jealous or what. Sorry but as much as I enjoy the support and convo with most of you shit just isnt worth it.
Yes.. it is worth it.. It's worth it to hear your opinion.. it's a valuable tool for the rest of us who may be on the fence with a pick.. Keep it up and ignore these douchebags..
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Quote Originally Posted by SportFanatic71:
You people have lost your damn minds, this shit is absolutly hilarious. Check my plays I dont give a fuk. I hate touts and would never in my life pay someone for picks. I have been making 60% plus picks in all sports for years!!!!!!!!!! Now all of a sudden because I share picks with a tout im a fraud
btw last night I did have drake sac over and tenn both full and first half (ALL posted as initial leans in the early AM) before ANYONE would release their picks
Drake +6 W
Sacramento -5.5 W
Sacramento OVER W
Illinois +7 W
tenn first half W
tenn game L
florida/ottawa over W
edmonton over W
so I go 7-1 and the next day im getting slammed. are you idiots just jealous or what. Sorry but as much as I enjoy the support and convo with most of you shit just isnt worth it.
Yes.. it is worth it.. It's worth it to hear your opinion.. it's a valuable tool for the rest of us who may be on the fence with a pick.. Keep it up and ignore these douchebags..
i really dont care... if SF is copying then great were getting IC picks for free...
SF might or might not use it... as long as this thread is in the + im gonna look through it... if it bugs u so much that he's copying IC's pick dont look at this thread then.
SF screw the haters... do your thing... more then half of your thread readers dont really care!
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i really dont care... if SF is copying then great were getting IC picks for free...
SF might or might not use it... as long as this thread is in the + im gonna look through it... if it bugs u so much that he's copying IC's pick dont look at this thread then.
SF screw the haters... do your thing... more then half of your thread readers dont really care!
I've heard this a lot in threads surrounding SF and Indian Cowboy and how their picks are similar. Why does it matter? I loved when IC posted hios picks here, he was good. SF can post whatever he wants and if he uses ICs stuff to help facilitate his own decision on a play then what does a matter.....you aren't paying SF for anything...its free advice...
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I've heard this a lot in threads surrounding SF and Indian Cowboy and how their picks are similar. Why does it matter? I loved when IC posted hios picks here, he was good. SF can post whatever he wants and if he uses ICs stuff to help facilitate his own decision on a play then what does a matter.....you aren't paying SF for anything...its free advice...
lol, IC is the only capper in America to have over a 160 plays and be over 60% in basketball. There is a reason why sportsfanatic copies him, whatever, if you tools want to follow the cheater than so be it. But, he is cheating.
There is 40 days of evidence to prove it.
I just thought this forum should know the truth because it is all over the other sports forums how sportsfantic has waited the last month to post within 10 minutes after he posts. Fucking lame. I just thought I would expose him to this forum as everyone else knows this except you tools.
Covers should do something about this cheater.
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lol, IC is the only capper in America to have over a 160 plays and be over 60% in basketball. There is a reason why sportsfanatic copies him, whatever, if you tools want to follow the cheater than so be it. But, he is cheating.
There is 40 days of evidence to prove it.
I just thought this forum should know the truth because it is all over the other sports forums how sportsfantic has waited the last month to post within 10 minutes after he posts. Fucking lame. I just thought I would expose him to this forum as everyone else knows this except you tools.
Yes.. it is worth it.. It's worth it to hear your opinion.. it's a valuable tool for the rest of us who may be on the fence with a pick.. Keep it up and ignore these douchebags..
Couldn't agree more! Keep em coming SF!
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Quote Originally Posted by wasabitobiko:
Yes.. it is worth it.. It's worth it to hear your opinion.. it's a valuable tool for the rest of us who may be on the fence with a pick.. Keep it up and ignore these douchebags..
SPORTSFANATIC HAS WAITED AT LEAST 40 DAYS TO POST 10 MINUTES AFTER INDIAN COWBOY POSTS!!!
HE INCLUDES ALL 3 OF INDIAN COWBOY'S PLAYS IN HIS 6-7 PICKS A DAY AND - AND NEARLY HIS ENTIRE COLLEGE BASKETBALL AND NBA CARD IS A DUPLICATION OF IC'S PLAYS.
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MY LAST THOUGHT BEFORE I AM LEAVING:
SPORTSFANATIC HAS WAITED AT LEAST 40 DAYS TO POST 10 MINUTES AFTER INDIAN COWBOY POSTS!!!
HE INCLUDES ALL 3 OF INDIAN COWBOY'S PLAYS IN HIS 6-7 PICKS A DAY AND - AND NEARLY HIS ENTIRE COLLEGE BASKETBALL AND NBA CARD IS A DUPLICATION OF IC'S PLAYS.
allies.........I don't want to hate on SF either but man it's unbelievable that their picks have been identical for so long. There hasn't been one time I remember since bball got into swing that IC had a pick that SF hasn't included.
SF is a fellow Redskins fan and the first capper I check everyday in college bball, nba, and nfl........he's awesome. However, it's just strange.......at first i thought IC was stealing from him but the timing was off.
Monday nite it was Siena, and Pepperdine, Sunday nite it was Weber State.......he even used the same words that WS may win straight up......like a copy and paste. Kings, Kings over, and Bucks were Sat night, Friday it was GS, Kings, and Sixers....... Thurs it was Ohio, etc etc.
We aren't the first ones calling him out on this either
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allies.........I don't want to hate on SF either but man it's unbelievable that their picks have been identical for so long. There hasn't been one time I remember since bball got into swing that IC had a pick that SF hasn't included.
SF is a fellow Redskins fan and the first capper I check everyday in college bball, nba, and nfl........he's awesome. However, it's just strange.......at first i thought IC was stealing from him but the timing was off.
Monday nite it was Siena, and Pepperdine, Sunday nite it was Weber State.......he even used the same words that WS may win straight up......like a copy and paste. Kings, Kings over, and Bucks were Sat night, Friday it was GS, Kings, and Sixers....... Thurs it was Ohio, etc etc.
We aren't the first ones calling him out on this either
lets say he IS copying ic's picks. stop your bitching and quit wasting your money on it and just wait til sf comes in here and posts the picks. cry fucking baby. you cant be to intelligent if your going to cry over free picks.
keep them coming my friend. thanks for your picks sf
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lets say he IS copying ic's picks. stop your bitching and quit wasting your money on it and just wait til sf comes in here and posts the picks. cry fucking baby. you cant be to intelligent if your going to cry over free picks.
keep them coming my friend. thanks for your picks sf
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