a $10 straddle. 2 callers before me. I make it 50 in middle position. Everybody folds to the straddler who calls. Then the guy to my right made it $210 total(he has 700 left and I had him covered). I thought about it for 3 minutes and then folded. The straddler calls. Flop is J 9 3. Straddler checks, and the reraiser goes all-in. Straddler folds. Reraiser didn't show. I asked him if he has QQ and he said "No". I ask him what he had and he didn't answered.
Reraiser had not raise preflop all night. I just had a bad feeling. If I call preflop I must have been ready to go all the way. I couldn't call and hope to flop a set because I wasn't getting the right implied odds. My instinct told me that he's not making this play with QQ or AK. My instinct tells me that he had AA.
You guys can flame on if you thought it was a weak fold.
BTW, I once called a 2200 all-in bet with one pair and was right.
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a $10 straddle. 2 callers before me. I make it 50 in middle position. Everybody folds to the straddler who calls. Then the guy to my right made it $210 total(he has 700 left and I had him covered). I thought about it for 3 minutes and then folded. The straddler calls. Flop is J 9 3. Straddler checks, and the reraiser goes all-in. Straddler folds. Reraiser didn't show. I asked him if he has QQ and he said "No". I ask him what he had and he didn't answered.
Reraiser had not raise preflop all night. I just had a bad feeling. If I call preflop I must have been ready to go all the way. I couldn't call and hope to flop a set because I wasn't getting the right implied odds. My instinct told me that he's not making this play with QQ or AK. My instinct tells me that he had AA.
You guys can flame on if you thought it was a weak fold.
BTW, I once called a 2200 all-in bet with one pair and was right.
Craigville, the straddler is an acquaintace of mine. He told me that he had a K.
Clown, I was playing with him for 6 hours. I don't think he push all in with Top set on the flop. I think he would've bet half on the flop and the rest on the turn with top set.
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Craigville, the straddler is an acquaintace of mine. He told me that he had a K.
Clown, I was playing with him for 6 hours. I don't think he push all in with Top set on the flop. I think he would've bet half on the flop and the rest on the turn with top set.
ya most likely he wouldnt have you are right if you were playing for 6 hours and he didnt ever raise preflop and now he has reraised probably a good chance he had aa. good fold.
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ya most likely he wouldnt have you are right if you were playing for 6 hours and he didnt ever raise preflop and now he has reraised probably a good chance he had aa. good fold.
Based on all of the information you provided, I can't come up with a huge criticism of the play. If the guy hadn't raised pre-flop all night, my guess would be he's not picking THIS spot to make some sort of ballsy play. He had Q-Q or A-A (like you said). The only thing I'd have looked at was how comfortable he was when you went in the tank. If he looked pretty comfortable, I'd be pretty convinced he had A-A. If he was trying to pull the stare down routine or he appeared to be going out of his way to look strong or to stay interested in the table, I'd be at least more inclined to think he had Q-Q. But I put betting patterns above my "table" reads and with $50 invested, I'd be OK with letting the K's go.
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Based on all of the information you provided, I can't come up with a huge criticism of the play. If the guy hadn't raised pre-flop all night, my guess would be he's not picking THIS spot to make some sort of ballsy play. He had Q-Q or A-A (like you said). The only thing I'd have looked at was how comfortable he was when you went in the tank. If he looked pretty comfortable, I'd be pretty convinced he had A-A. If he was trying to pull the stare down routine or he appeared to be going out of his way to look strong or to stay interested in the table, I'd be at least more inclined to think he had Q-Q. But I put betting patterns above my "table" reads and with $50 invested, I'd be OK with letting the K's go.
You can fold KK preflop if you're deep enough. Here a guy has backraised although the fact that he was the second limper obviously reduces the likelihood unless there was alot of squeezing going on (which I doubt). But you took a read and felt the player was very tight so good for you. He could of course be doing this with QQ, if he overvalues QQ, although people are less likely to backraise with QQ.
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You can fold KK preflop if you're deep enough. Here a guy has backraised although the fact that he was the second limper obviously reduces the likelihood unless there was alot of squeezing going on (which I doubt). But you took a read and felt the player was very tight so good for you. He could of course be doing this with QQ, if he overvalues QQ, although people are less likely to backraise with QQ.
no problems with the play, if the guyw as being super tight and what not, you would think good shot at AA...im just a little surprised he would move all in (not sure what the other guy had though, so cant say) for 500 more. If he had AA he wants a call..so Id figure he'd value bet a little?
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no problems with the play, if the guyw as being super tight and what not, you would think good shot at AA...im just a little surprised he would move all in (not sure what the other guy had though, so cant say) for 500 more. If he had AA he wants a call..so Id figure he'd value bet a little?
my favorite part of the post, like this makes his fold a good fold, hilarious
Well, I just wanted to imply that decision making has a lot to do with the players you are up against. Pokers hands are relative, not absolute. The only absolute hand is the royal flush. Is a straight a good hand? Well, it depends what it's up against. It's great against a pair, but it's terrible against a flush. It's all relative. and to determine the relativity, you have to consider the kinds of players you're up against.
Hutch is right. I lose only $50. If I'm right(making the fold) in assuming that he has AA, I'd would lose only $50. But if I'm wrong(making the call), I could lose another $860. And I right more time than not. And if I don't go by my instinct, what should I go by at the poker table?
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Quote Originally Posted by ChanceP:
my favorite part of the post, like this makes his fold a good fold, hilarious
Well, I just wanted to imply that decision making has a lot to do with the players you are up against. Pokers hands are relative, not absolute. The only absolute hand is the royal flush. Is a straight a good hand? Well, it depends what it's up against. It's great against a pair, but it's terrible against a flush. It's all relative. and to determine the relativity, you have to consider the kinds of players you're up against.
Hutch is right. I lose only $50. If I'm right(making the fold) in assuming that he has AA, I'd would lose only $50. But if I'm wrong(making the call), I could lose another $860. And I right more time than not. And if I don't go by my instinct, what should I go by at the poker table?
the straddler had ak almost for sure if he told you he has a king although i think he should be folding to the 210 after calling the 50 as well.
one thing i would like to look at is what the captain says about him pushing in after the flop. i think he has to here. everyone knows hes extremely loaded and hes not gonna improve so why not protect it right then and there? if hes getting a call for 200 on the flop he would be for 500 too.
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the straddler had ak almost for sure if he told you he has a king although i think he should be folding to the 210 after calling the 50 as well.
one thing i would like to look at is what the captain says about him pushing in after the flop. i think he has to here. everyone knows hes extremely loaded and hes not gonna improve so why not protect it right then and there? if hes getting a call for 200 on the flop he would be for 500 too.
if had the aa i would probably be thinking the guy in for 210 has a pocket pair anyways and only thing im getting paid off from is qq, im losing if he hit the set. if he has qq then that flop will be my best chance to get paid.
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if had the aa i would probably be thinking the guy in for 210 has a pocket pair anyways and only thing im getting paid off from is qq, im losing if he hit the set. if he has qq then that flop will be my best chance to get paid.
Actually sounds like the guy had a hand like AJ suited, or AQ AK suited. You say he has played tight, but maybe he hadn't picked up any hands all night. To limp w/ AA in early position is really tough because you want some action, but if everyone calls you are SOL. So he has to put in a raise just like you did w/ KK. He makes a big re-raise hoping everyone else chucks, and you have like 9-9, and you won't call. He can get away from the hand too on the flop if he misses. Worst case on the flop he has 2 overs, maybe a backdoor draw. It is more likely that he had AJ suited than AA.
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Actually sounds like the guy had a hand like AJ suited, or AQ AK suited. You say he has played tight, but maybe he hadn't picked up any hands all night. To limp w/ AA in early position is really tough because you want some action, but if everyone calls you are SOL. So he has to put in a raise just like you did w/ KK. He makes a big re-raise hoping everyone else chucks, and you have like 9-9, and you won't call. He can get away from the hand too on the flop if he misses. Worst case on the flop he has 2 overs, maybe a backdoor draw. It is more likely that he had AJ suited than AA.
Actually sounds like the guy had a hand like AJ suited, or AQ AK suited. You say he has played tight, but maybe he hadn't picked up any hands all night. To limp w/ AA in early position is really tough because you want some action, but if everyone calls you are SOL. So he has to put in a raise just like you did w/ KK. He makes a big re-raise hoping everyone else chucks, and you have like 9-9, and you won't call. He can get away from the hand too on the flop if he misses. Worst case on the flop he has 2 overs, maybe a backdoor draw. It is more likely that he had AJ suited than AA.
that was actually the first thing I thought
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Quote Originally Posted by Godfather16:
Actually sounds like the guy had a hand like AJ suited, or AQ AK suited. You say he has played tight, but maybe he hadn't picked up any hands all night. To limp w/ AA in early position is really tough because you want some action, but if everyone calls you are SOL. So he has to put in a raise just like you did w/ KK. He makes a big re-raise hoping everyone else chucks, and you have like 9-9, and you won't call. He can get away from the hand too on the flop if he misses. Worst case on the flop he has 2 overs, maybe a backdoor draw. It is more likely that he had AJ suited than AA.
I guess it would be helpful to know how this guy had played when he had limped and actually ran into some resistance pre-flop. I get what you are saying, but a limp/re-raise move on a guy in middle position doesn't sound like a guy taking a flyer on anything worse then A-K. Not to mention, the got a call from the straddler on his pre-flop raise. To then go all in after the straddler checks (after the flop) with A-anything just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for a guy that hasn't been aggressive one time all night.
I was playing the other week and was just card dead. The first hand I got involved in with a pre-flop raise resulted in me having top pair and top kicker on the flop. I won the hand on the turn (the guy called my flop bet as he probably though it was a continuation bet and then folded on the turn). But the point I'm making is I didn't sit around and be patient to put a bunch of chips in the pot with ace high. If this guy did that, then it was one heck of a play on his part and I guess I'd just tip my cap.
What is it the pros always say, "the people who tell me these hero stories about these amazing calls make me laugh because they never tell you about the many times they try to make some exotic read and lose all their money."
If they guy was on a flat bluff, then I tip my hat to him and tell myself I lost $50.....not $700 like I could have....and that there will be many hands to win that money back from him when I'm NOT counting on this guy to be behaving COMPLETELY differently then he has the whole night (ie. that he's bluffing).
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Godfather-
I guess it would be helpful to know how this guy had played when he had limped and actually ran into some resistance pre-flop. I get what you are saying, but a limp/re-raise move on a guy in middle position doesn't sound like a guy taking a flyer on anything worse then A-K. Not to mention, the got a call from the straddler on his pre-flop raise. To then go all in after the straddler checks (after the flop) with A-anything just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for a guy that hasn't been aggressive one time all night.
I was playing the other week and was just card dead. The first hand I got involved in with a pre-flop raise resulted in me having top pair and top kicker on the flop. I won the hand on the turn (the guy called my flop bet as he probably though it was a continuation bet and then folded on the turn). But the point I'm making is I didn't sit around and be patient to put a bunch of chips in the pot with ace high. If this guy did that, then it was one heck of a play on his part and I guess I'd just tip my cap.
What is it the pros always say, "the people who tell me these hero stories about these amazing calls make me laugh because they never tell you about the many times they try to make some exotic read and lose all their money."
If they guy was on a flat bluff, then I tip my hat to him and tell myself I lost $50.....not $700 like I could have....and that there will be many hands to win that money back from him when I'm NOT counting on this guy to be behaving COMPLETELY differently then he has the whole night (ie. that he's bluffing).
Well, I just wanted to imply that decision making has a lot to do with the players you are up against. Pokers hands are relative, not absolute. The only absolute hand is the royal flush. Is a straight a good hand? Well, it depends what it's up against. It's great against a pair, but it's terrible against a flush. It's all relative. and to determine the relativity, you have to consider the kinds of players you're up against.
Hutch is right. I lose only $50. If I'm right(making the fold) in assuming that he has AA, I'd would lose only $50. But if I'm wrong(making the call), I could lose another $860. And I right more time than not. And if I don't go by my instinct, what should I go by at the poker table?
Just keep bragging about laying down KK pre and calling $2200 all-ins with 1 pair. Thats a great strategy.
My thing is this, 95% of the time OR MORE your KK is gonna be the best hand. My prblem is when you start overanalyzing and laying down KK preflop its gonna end up costing you in the long run. The real problem is you never even got to see his hand so youre sitting here jocking yourself for making a great laydown WHEN YOU DONT EVEN KNOW IT WAS. Bottom line for me is this, in a 2/5 NL Im never gonna lay down KK against the caliber of competition you are usually facing at these tables. Rarely ill be up against AA and when it does shrug your shoulders and say, "oh well"
My whole point is youre bragging about making a laydown you dont even know was right and then you put in this spot about calling 2200 with 1 pair like we're gonna read that and say "oh yeah, good laydown, you must know what youre doing if you called a 2200 allin with 1 pair, and was right!!!!" You talk about how each hand is independent of each other than use some hand from long ago to somwhow justify this very-questionale laydown with KK. Basically, I disagree. not to start a fight, I just disagree qith your fold.
With all that said, GL TO YOU BUD!!!!
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyClay:
Well, I just wanted to imply that decision making has a lot to do with the players you are up against. Pokers hands are relative, not absolute. The only absolute hand is the royal flush. Is a straight a good hand? Well, it depends what it's up against. It's great against a pair, but it's terrible against a flush. It's all relative. and to determine the relativity, you have to consider the kinds of players you're up against.
Hutch is right. I lose only $50. If I'm right(making the fold) in assuming that he has AA, I'd would lose only $50. But if I'm wrong(making the call), I could lose another $860. And I right more time than not. And if I don't go by my instinct, what should I go by at the poker table?
Just keep bragging about laying down KK pre and calling $2200 all-ins with 1 pair. Thats a great strategy.
My thing is this, 95% of the time OR MORE your KK is gonna be the best hand. My prblem is when you start overanalyzing and laying down KK preflop its gonna end up costing you in the long run. The real problem is you never even got to see his hand so youre sitting here jocking yourself for making a great laydown WHEN YOU DONT EVEN KNOW IT WAS. Bottom line for me is this, in a 2/5 NL Im never gonna lay down KK against the caliber of competition you are usually facing at these tables. Rarely ill be up against AA and when it does shrug your shoulders and say, "oh well"
My whole point is youre bragging about making a laydown you dont even know was right and then you put in this spot about calling 2200 with 1 pair like we're gonna read that and say "oh yeah, good laydown, you must know what youre doing if you called a 2200 allin with 1 pair, and was right!!!!" You talk about how each hand is independent of each other than use some hand from long ago to somwhow justify this very-questionale laydown with KK. Basically, I disagree. not to start a fight, I just disagree qith your fold.
where in the thread did I said "I made a great laydown"? I just told you what happened in the hand. If I wanted to, I could've said "he flipped over AA" just to make myself look "good". But this is a poker discussion and I wanted opinions about the hand as appose to looking people to praise me. If you think I made a bad laydown, just say I made a bad laydown. No need to get personal.
Godfather,
I know for sure he didn't have AJ. He's been calling all night preflop with AQ, AK, 10s.
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chaceP,
where in the thread did I said "I made a great laydown"? I just told you what happened in the hand. If I wanted to, I could've said "he flipped over AA" just to make myself look "good". But this is a poker discussion and I wanted opinions about the hand as appose to looking people to praise me. If you think I made a bad laydown, just say I made a bad laydown. No need to get personal.
Godfather,
I know for sure he didn't have AJ. He's been calling all night preflop with AQ, AK, 10s.
If I laid down KK preflop and didnt get to see the other guys hand I wouldnt tell a soul lol.
Just kidding.
Its cool, I didnt mean to get personal and sorry if I came off llike a dick but I dont like the play. I just cant justify laying it down even if a guy has been super-tight or not. I just think trying to decipher when that 5% of the time is that your Kings are beat will end up costing you $ in the long run. If he has AA, great job. Im just saying dont start lookin to do it next time too just cuz you believe it was right this time
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If I laid down KK preflop and didnt get to see the other guys hand I wouldnt tell a soul lol.
Just kidding.
Its cool, I didnt mean to get personal and sorry if I came off llike a dick but I dont like the play. I just cant justify laying it down even if a guy has been super-tight or not. I just think trying to decipher when that 5% of the time is that your Kings are beat will end up costing you $ in the long run. If he has AA, great job. Im just saying dont start lookin to do it next time too just cuz you believe it was right this time
where in the thread did I said "I made a great laydown"? I just told you what happened in the hand. If I wanted to, I could've said "he flipped over AA" just to make myself look "good". But this is a poker discussion and I wanted opinions about the hand as appose to looking people to praise me. If you think I made a bad laydown, just say I made a bad laydown. No need to get personal.
Godfather,
I know for sure he didn't have AJ. He's been calling all night preflop with AQ, AK, 10s.
i dont know what this fool that said he has aj is thinking, hes obviously clueless about poker and should have been banned but he blew one of mods i think to get back on here. anyways, based on how this hand played out i cant see him all of the sudden reraising if he hadnt even RAISED once all night. he has either qq or aa no bones about it and probably aa. i do agree with chance that you made some kinda hero call at one point in your life has nothing to do with this hand at all.
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyClay:
chaceP,
where in the thread did I said "I made a great laydown"? I just told you what happened in the hand. If I wanted to, I could've said "he flipped over AA" just to make myself look "good". But this is a poker discussion and I wanted opinions about the hand as appose to looking people to praise me. If you think I made a bad laydown, just say I made a bad laydown. No need to get personal.
Godfather,
I know for sure he didn't have AJ. He's been calling all night preflop with AQ, AK, 10s.
i dont know what this fool that said he has aj is thinking, hes obviously clueless about poker and should have been banned but he blew one of mods i think to get back on here. anyways, based on how this hand played out i cant see him all of the sudden reraising if he hadnt even RAISED once all night. he has either qq or aa no bones about it and probably aa. i do agree with chance that you made some kinda hero call at one point in your life has nothing to do with this hand at all.
that godfathers dumb as a fuckin stump, hes been banned and reinstated more times then you can shake a stick at, NOTHING he says is even close to being right.
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that godfathers dumb as a fuckin stump, hes been banned and reinstated more times then you can shake a stick at, NOTHING he says is even close to being right.
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