Online Poker- Scam or Real?

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I&#x27;m sure this has been posted/discussed before, i&#x27;ve been playing at Ultimate Bet for about a year now.  I&#x27;m just about ready to quit playing on there, even though i haven&#x27;t lost much money it just seems like you can never get ahead.  I&#x27;ve been reading a lot about online poker being rigged and it seems like that may  be the case.  Whether it&#x27;s that magical one card that falls to make 2 or 3 players hands to someone always having a nut hand.  Now i&#x27;ve started hearing about these robot players they send in to siphon cash out of the players at the table.  I know everyone says you see more hands playing online, but it doesn"t seem right the way they fall.  I&#x27;m not trying to say i&#x27;m some big shot poker player, but i usually hold my own whenever i&#x27;m at the casino or a home game.  I normally am pretty good at reading what players have by the betting, but online i actually feel that they always have the nuts. Just wanted to know what others were thinking.

nness75 · Answer

I&#x27;m sure this has been posted/discussed before, i&#x27;ve been playing at Ultimate Bet for about a year now.  I&#x27;m just about ready to quit playing on there, even though i haven&#x27;t lost much money it just seems like you can never get ahead.  I&#x27;ve been reading a lot about online poker being rigged and it seems like that may  be the case.  Whether it&#x27;s that magical one card that falls to make 2 or 3 players hands to someone always having a nut hand.  Now i&#x27;ve started hearing about these robot players they send in to siphon cash out of the players at the table.  I know everyone says you see more hands playing online, but it doesn"t seem right the way they fall.  I&#x27;m not trying to say i&#x27;m some big shot poker player, but i usually hold my own whenever i&#x27;m at the casino or a home game.  I normally am pretty good at reading what players have by the betting, but online i actually feel that they always have the nuts. Just wanted to know what others were thinking.

dillon24 · Answer

people will say.. why do they need to cheat they make enough money.. let me ask you this.. do they have every penny?? NO. its shady in my opinion. too many heavy action hands and the rake remains constant. you always seem to thrive right after your deposit then they pull the carpet out.

He who gambles lives in shambles

nness75 · Answer

Been playing for acouple hours today and the one trend that really has me worried is that when i fold a hand the best corresponding flop has come way too many times.  When i call with these same type of hands i&#x27;ve flopped nothing, plus when i have a good draw they haven&#x27;t really been hitting.  Seems like when you fold they flop a great hand just to get you steaming or make you feel like you should gambling more.  I know i&#x27;m not the greatest player but come on i can&#x27;t fold the winners that much and play the losers. Just seems like any other thing in this world when there&#x27;s no checks and balances someone will find a way to corrupt it.

nness75 · Answer

Strongly suspect they put these bots at the tables to raise you out of the pot and increase rake.  When this happens i invariably flop nothing and the one bets the other out of the pot, therefore i can&#x27;t even see what they are holding.

HutchEmAll · Answer

I think if you think that then don&#x27;t play anymore.  Everyone complains....where are the winners?

HutchEmAll · Answer

The trouble is, many don&#x27;t know the numbers.  Even if you have an over pair, you&#x27;re only 4:1 to win.  Someone loses 1 of those 3 confrontations and they think they are getting screwed.  Just take some time and count the times where you win as a dog and where your opponent wins as a dog....it evens out.&#xD;&#xA;FYI, I&#x27;ve tracked my hands over the course of a game MANY times and didn&#x27;t see anything funny.

lbcake · Answer

&#xD;&#xA;They keep recycling. They want to rope in the newer players by letting them win at the expense of the previous older winners.&#xD;&#xA;It is designed to create action.

nness75 · Answer

Just played 100 hands on the same table, 2 of which i suspect of being robots.  In 100 hands that have been played they have went head to head 29 times, they have only showed down hands 1 time.  The game is only 6 handed, the other players have all chatted and played head to head many pots that were shown down.  Just seems a little fishy to me.  This isn&#x27;t a bash internet poker thread just wanted peoples opinion.

dillon24 · Answer

someones already been caught cheating on ultimate bet. and you see all the full tilt pro&#x27;s in red. do you really think the pro is playing?

scalabrine · Answer

Go play "Rush Poker" at Full Tilt...no data mining can be performed and bots do not function effectively...you&#x27;ll see way more hands and your variance will be even greater but I think if you tilt, take a breather knowing you will see 100 more hands in &lt;20 mins. it&#x27;ll help you get over it quicker...

nness75 · Answer

What do you mean bu data mining?

nness75 · Answer

Do you think that this is true about robots playing on these sites?

2169 · Answer

i can play with real people, but not online.  i know of someone that claims he&#x27;s up 30k so far this year, but he has money to spend so he plays in the larger tournaments.

LeafsNeedD · Answer

I&#x27;m up something like 3 grand on pokerstars.  I usually play $20-25 sit n go&#x27;s but i go on some runs where i take the most unbelievable beats and it seems like i can&#x27;t possibly be that unlucky.  But I keep coming back for more.

powerade · Answer

online poker winners   &#xD;&#xA;people who waste money online when you can&#x27;t see anything &#xD;&#xA;its just a shady shady shady game....where there is money there will always be cheaters. Not only do you have to worry about the site itself but more worry about the "players". &#xD;&#xA;Just go and play in a game where you see the 52 cards and the people.

LeafsNeedD · Answer

I think the biggest thing you have to worry about is people communicating through instant messenger or the phone around the game. Can't really do much to defend against that. I nailed 2 French guys once ....only time i've ever done it but i strongly suspected them of colluding and i emailed pokerstars and asked them to study the hand history. They did and about 2 weeks later they emailed me saying both users have been banned and prize money re-awarded from the game in question.

scalabrine · Answer

You may be losing a lot because people are downloading your hand histories...

From another site:

So what is data mining? Basically, it’s the process of acquiring information about your potential opponents through the use of automated tools that record hand histories. Think of it as the online equivalent of scouting a live game from the rail, except you get to scout dozens of games at once without having to do much more than opening a few windows. What’s the point of data mining? By collecting and analyzing hand histories, you make it easier to identify soft games and avoid tough ones, you improve your decision making in marginal situations and you save some bets that you’d otherwise use to acquire information from your opponents.

Whether you like it or not, a large portion of online players (and all serious ones) use all YOUR and other player's hand histories which are publicly available, to know what kinds of bets you will fold to, when you are most likely bluffing, and how much you will call. If good online players put you on range of hands, they can simply use a program which gives them all the other info they need to know about you to finish up the hand and extract the most money from you.

This was once considered 'illegal', but because it can't be policed effectively, all sites have turned a blind eye to it...the beauty of rush poker is that since your continually jumping from room to room, anyone mining and milking you for a large portion of your bankroll, can't follow you...also there are no hand histories so you can't be data mined...

this is one frustrated online pro's take:

One of the greatest thing about Rush Poker is the fact nobody can data mine you. But this is also one of the worst things too. I have no clue about my opponents, other than where they are from, their username and their stack size. Reads are an important part of online poker, and in Rush Poker it’s very hard to get reads. ...Not knowing the fish from the regular, is a big drawback. However, the fact they have nothing on me either gives it some balance.

I'm not a Full Tilt rep BTW...I just play there and liked Rush Poker so I figured I'd put my two cents in

nness75 · Answer

Only playing low stakes to pass time, just seems like anytime money is involved that there will always be people trying to cheat/steal.  PLease post you expereinces or opinions, very interesting stuff.

nness75 · Answer

Thanks for the heads up Scalabrine, never thought about that!

Spitfire15 · Answer

I have 2 friends who are VERY good at online poker, and they are waaaay up in the long run - along with another who won $22,000-some a few months ago in a tournament.

scalabrine · Answer

I&#x27;d consider playing more live...you won&#x27;t be able to do it as often but that is also a plus given a live poker game is a few feet away from you at any time and that is not a good thing for anyone except Ivey, Dwan and Antonious (and a few other top online pros)...For the average guy, who has real-life responsibilities, I&#x27;d recommend buying a book or two, studying betting patterns and nonverbals on live TV (of which there are a myriad of shows...high stakes poker on GSN being BY FAR the most realistic poker game you could ever watch) and making your way to a casino or Brick and mortar with several hundred dollars. Put in a 6-8 hour session and leave with your profits. If you lose, there will always be action waiting there. Go home and study where you made your mistakes and how you can eliminate them.Remember, you are a blank slate in any casino. Even a top pro has no idea who you are. This is not the case online and you will always be vulnerable to that. Online poker is not fixed for the most part. It&#x27;s simply evolved and now programs can read you instead of the person (i.e. the way poker was truly meant to be played).

scalabrine · Answer

not a problem

scalabrine · Answer

those people are few and far between...and these tournaments are turning into the lottery...everyone knows at least one person who has won one for 25K or 50K but we also know people who won the lottery for a large sum of money as well...I think the Sunday Million (the biggest most popular online tournament there is) had get this:37,000! entrants...Give me a break. That is about 4.5 TIMES the biggest online tournament EVER (WSOP 2006 when Jaime Gold won) and that took I believe 8 days to finish...obviously, the online tournaments are played straight through to the finish with several breaks, but imagine how many races (AK vs. QQ/JJ/1010 etc as an example) you will have to win in a tourney that size???? 50? ...I don&#x27;t want all my money going all in pre-flop FIFTY TIMES and having to survive!!!...that is the lottery folks...no need to dabble in it...

Crowkillers · Answer

I have not played online in quite some time now. The last time I played I was playing at a full table and I had the Ace of Spades 23 times in 50 hands. Other players were posting that they too kept getting the same specific card over and over again.

It actually was getting comical.

I believe this was at pokerroom.com

LeafsNeedD · Answer

You were complaining because you were getting too many Aces?  You should have been playing more.

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