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I had a straight 5 through 9 down below and a K-10 up top.  Dealer showed K-Q up top and a straight ace through 5 down below.

His top easily wins but I have a better straight.  Yet i'm told the rule is that any straight is a push against any straight and therefore, i lose the hand.

WTF????

 
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I would think that is a PUSH as well. Did the floorman get involved with the ruling? Or did you just went with the dealer's ruling?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by kickinA:

I would think that is a PUSH as well. Did the floorman get involved with the ruling? Or did you just went with the dealer's ruling?

the dealer took my chips with my jaw still dropped and started takng my cards when i started trying to get him to stop, 2 other people at the table also spoke up for me and a pitboss was called over but the cards had already been cleaned up.  I explained the hand and all he said was "the cards are gone, there's nothing i can do" - all i wanted was an explanation

 
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Dealer is right, of course.

A-5 straight is second highest straight next to A-10. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by thorpe:

Dealer is right, of course.

A-5 straight is second highest straight next to A-10. 

how so?

 
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Depends on the House Rules of the Casino...

Five-card hands use standard poker hand rankings with one exception: in most Nevada casinos, the hand A-2-3-4-5 ranks above a king-high straight, but below the ace-high straight A-K-Q-J-10. At most casinos in California and Michigan this rule doesn't apply; the A-2-3-4-5 is the lowest possible straight.
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Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:


Depends on the House Rules of the Casino...

Five-card hands use standard poker hand rankings with one exception: in most Nevada casinos, the hand A-2-3-4-5 ranks above a king-high straight, but below the ace-high straight A-K-Q-J-10. At most casinos in California and Michigan this rule doesn't apply; the A-2-3-4-5 is the lowest possible straight.

well at least I understand now, thanks for the explanation

 
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They say it is 2nd best straight because you are utilizing an ace
 
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A-5 straight wins is a house rule is majority of casinos.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by revengeissweet1:

well at least I understand now, thanks for the explanation





Pai Gow Poker is a great game if you need a break from the Blackjack tables and all their bad beats when the damn dealers can't stop pulling cards outta their asses.  A lot of ties or "pushing" with Pai Gow Poker, but it surely beats getting your ass kicked hand after hand at Blackjack when the cards just aren't running right.

One other thing you need to know about Pai Gow Poker is how the dealer is required to set his hands.  This is called the "House Way".  Different Casinos can have different House Ways.  I flipped out one time when the dealer put a K-10 up top and put two pairs 99's & 22's) below.  He pushed my QQ and AA that I had split.  But, that turned out to be the correct House Way for that particular casino.


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Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:





Pai Gow Poker is a great game if you need a break from the Blackjack tables and all their bad beats when the damn dealers can't stop pulling cards outta their asses.  A lot of ties or "pushing" with Pai Gow Poker, but it surely beats getting your ass kicked hand after hand at Blackjack when the cards just aren't running right.

One other thing you need to know about Pai Gow Poker is how the dealer is required to set his hands.  This is called the "House Way".  Different Casinos can have different House Ways.  I flipped out one time when the dealer put a K-10 up top and put two pairs 99's & 22's) below.  He pushed my QQ and AA that I had split.  But, that turned out to be the correct House Way for that particular casino.



The "house way" rules depend on the aggressiveness of each casino.  

Jacks and sevens are the common split...some places its jacks and sixes

That means  if the house has jacks and sevens they split them. Even if the other cards are all high

Example

Jack Jack five five ace kinq queen

they put Ace king on top  two pair and queen on bottom

However....

Jack Jack seven seven Ace king queen

Jack jack ace king queen bottom   pair of sevens on top






 
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You are exactly right Johnny.  Casino aggressiveness is nothing but greed. These guys have EVERY angle figured out to the PENNY.  By setting two pair behind a K, they know they will push more hands that they would of paid. 

Every table game in a casino is a grind.  They try to grind you down.  Time is always on their side.  Hit them hard and fast and get outta there with some profits for your playing session.

Hit'em and Run.

They'll hate you for it, but it's the only way to beat them at their own game.




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in California the 5 high straight is the lowest straight  and I can't imagine that  it's different in Nevada,but I haven't played the game in Nevada though. They may have been bullshitting you if you are a newbie - believe me, it happens. The floor should have been able to check the camera to  rule on the hand. And if a 5 high staright beats a nine high staright then he should have told you that is the house rule. Also  if any straight and a push is a loss, for some strange reason, he should have shown you that rule also.Everyone  working is a casino is ultimately there to separate customers from their  money.
 
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You lost the bet. A-5 is the second highest straight in most houses.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Godfather16:

in California the 5 high straight is the lowest straight  and I can't imagine that  it's different in Nevada,but I haven't played the game in Nevada though. They may have been bullshitting you if you are a newbie - believe me, it happens. The floor should have been able to check the camera to  rule on the hand. And if a 5 high staright beats a nine high staright then he should have told you that is the house rule. Also  if any straight and a push is a loss, for some strange reason, he should have shown you that rule also.Everyone  working is a casino is ultimately there to separate customers from their  money.


I've played Pai Gow at 5 or 6 casinos in Vegas, and another 15 or so elsewhere (but not in CA) and I've never seen A-5 be anything but the second highest straight.  But Pai Gow is the one game with the most variation in rules.  When the Indian casino opened near me, it was kind of a joke because it seemed like the rules were different every time I sat down at a table.
 
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it just doesn't make sense that a 5 card straight would beat say a Q or J high straight. Obviously that isn't the case in hold'em or stud in Vegas, right? Yeah you are using the ace, but that card is valued at "1"  in the low straight. Also you have to watch these dealers setting cards the house way, as they will make mistakes, either intentionally  or unintentionally...
 
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yeah precisely
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Godfather16:

in California the 5 high straight is the lowest straight  and I can't imagine that  it's different in Nevada,but I haven't played the game in Nevada though. They may have been bullshitting you if you are a newbie - believe me, it happens. The floor should have been able to check the camera to  rule on the hand. And if a 5 high staright beats a nine high staright then he should have told you that is the house rule. Also  if any straight and a push is a loss, for some strange reason, he should have shown you that rule also.Everyone  working is a casino is ultimately there to separate customers from their  money.


Godfather,

 Let me ask you a question, I never played in cali even though I live here also. What can you do with the wild card in california pai gow?
 
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never heard that an A-5 straight is the second highest straight

it is a 5 high straight. how the hell would that beat a K high ?

dealer was a f'n idiot, i would have asked them to review the video..i wouldnt have given a shit if i had only $5 on the hand I would have spoken up
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

never heard that an A-5 straight is the second highest straight

it is a 5 high straight. how the hell would that beat a K high ?

dealer was a f'n idiot, i would have asked them to review the video..i wouldnt have given a shit if i had only $5 on the hand I would have spoken up

Dealer was no idiot. He or she was 100% right regarding this ruling.
A-5 is the second highest straight in nevada. 
 
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Never heard of this...havent played Pai gots in a while but never heard of this anywhere ever
 
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and now i guess i have heard of this


 
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Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:

and now i guess i have heard of this




It seems strange, but  I will briefly explain the logic and the math behind  A-5 being the second best straight.

You utilize an ACE. The ace on top in the 2 card hand of course makes the hand at least moderately strong. You have to waste an ace in a A-5 straight. That is why it is 2nd best when playing in nevada.

In california rules the joker has more uses then in nevada. In nevada your wild card fills a straight or a flush or it is always an ace. In cali the joker is a wild card, if you have 2 nines for instance you can make the joker a nine and you have three of a kind. In vegas the joker does not have these capabilities. This is the math and the logic behind A-5 being 2nd best straight in nevada.
 
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sounds good to me
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyY83:



Godfather,

 Let me ask you a question, I never played in cali even though I live here also. What can you do with the wild card in california pai gow?
 
there is 1 place in CA, California grand in Pacheco, where the joker can be any card, if you have a pair it can make 2 pair, or it can make a straight or flush. Everywhere else, the joker is an ace or can fill in a straight or flush
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