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    21 states sue Biden for revoking Keystone pipeline permit

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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2021 - 9:13 AM ET #1

    joe $5 a gallon is fine, support your position you brain dead loser

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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2021 - 12:29 PM ET #2

     He'll probably end getting sued by southern states for his border disaster too.

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     He'll probably end getting sued by southern states for his border disaster too.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2021 - 12:37 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpinator2020:

    joe $5 a gallon is fine, support your position you brain dead loser

    How did blocking Keystone XL lead to higher gas prices?

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    joe $5 a gallon is fine, support your position you brain dead loser

    How did blocking Keystone XL lead to higher gas prices?

     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2021 - 11:04 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpinator2020: joe $5 a gallon is fine, support your position you brain dead loser How did blocking Keystone XL lead to higher gas prices?

    Just saying your going to shutdown oil production and then purposely hindering it creates higher prices for those buying oil futures. Wall Street LOVES it!! More money in their pocket as we pay MORE!!

    Canada will still pump that oil and instead of electric pumps powered by renewable solar and wind energy the oil will be trucked and by train spewing more exhaust into the atmosphere.

    MAKES SO MUCH SENSE TO IDIOTS!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpinator2020: joe $5 a gallon is fine, support your position you brain dead loser How did blocking Keystone XL lead to higher gas prices?

    Just saying your going to shutdown oil production and then purposely hindering it creates higher prices for those buying oil futures. Wall Street LOVES it!! More money in their pocket as we pay MORE!!

    Canada will still pump that oil and instead of electric pumps powered by renewable solar and wind energy the oil will be trucked and by train spewing more exhaust into the atmosphere.

    MAKES SO MUCH SENSE TO IDIOTS!!!!

     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2021 - 11:09 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    He'll probably end getting sued by southern states for his border disaster too.

    If I was a migrant I would use the govt. paid and appointed lawer and sue the government for abuse due to lack of coordination and piss poor planning!!

    Class action pain and suffering!!! 

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    He'll probably end getting sued by southern states for his border disaster too.

    If I was a migrant I would use the govt. paid and appointed lawer and sue the government for abuse due to lack of coordination and piss poor planning!!

    Class action pain and suffering!!! 

    an_roll_laugh

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by Trumpinator2020: joe $5 a gallon is fine, support your position you brain dead loser How did blocking Keystone XL lead to higher gas prices? Just saying your going to shutdown oil production and then purposely hindering it creates higher prices for those buying oil futures. Wall Street LOVES it!! More money in their pocket as we pay MORE!! Canada will still pump that oil and instead of electric pumps powered by renewable solar and wind energy the oil will be trucked and by train spewing more exhaust into the atmosphere. MAKES SO MUCH SENSE TO IDIOTS!!!!

    Just so we're clear, Keystone pipelines are not owned and operated by America. Nor is the Canadian tar sands crude it moves through our country. There was talk of moving some of our bakken crude through the pipelines. I am not sure if this came to pass. All operational pipelines are still up and running. All that has been blocked was construction on the as yet completed Keystone XL. So production wasn't halted or even slowed. As far as futures affecting our bottom line, well, that's a problem with how Wallstreet works. Not oil production or lack there off. So just so people are clear what they are fighting for, it's so a Canadian company with Chinese interest can ship their dirty tar sand crude through and to our country, to be refined here and shipped off to China. True, the pipelines provide some jobs. The refineries as well but Keystone has little to do with our US energy market. Please be clear, gas price hikes are all about market manipulation and not about production and the logistics of moving crude. Go to every major price hike in the last 20 years and you'll find a correlation of increased profits. I never thought i'd see good patriots like yourself fighting for the interest of Canada, Chy-Na, and greedy energy execs, who are some of the sleaziest, most crooked people on the planet.

    Just to recap, I asked how an uncompleted, unoperational pipeline extension pumping crude not owned by us nor destined for our tanks affects our bottom line. You answered: Futures, which is a respectable answer but like I said, that an issue with Wall Street, not Joe Biden. The system of betting on futures is fucked. Wall Street is fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by Trumpinator2020: joe $5 a gallon is fine, support your position you brain dead loser How did blocking Keystone XL lead to higher gas prices? Just saying your going to shutdown oil production and then purposely hindering it creates higher prices for those buying oil futures. Wall Street LOVES it!! More money in their pocket as we pay MORE!! Canada will still pump that oil and instead of electric pumps powered by renewable solar and wind energy the oil will be trucked and by train spewing more exhaust into the atmosphere. MAKES SO MUCH SENSE TO IDIOTS!!!!

    Just so we're clear, Keystone pipelines are not owned and operated by America. Nor is the Canadian tar sands crude it moves through our country. There was talk of moving some of our bakken crude through the pipelines. I am not sure if this came to pass. All operational pipelines are still up and running. All that has been blocked was construction on the as yet completed Keystone XL. So production wasn't halted or even slowed. As far as futures affecting our bottom line, well, that's a problem with how Wallstreet works. Not oil production or lack there off. So just so people are clear what they are fighting for, it's so a Canadian company with Chinese interest can ship their dirty tar sand crude through and to our country, to be refined here and shipped off to China. True, the pipelines provide some jobs. The refineries as well but Keystone has little to do with our US energy market. Please be clear, gas price hikes are all about market manipulation and not about production and the logistics of moving crude. Go to every major price hike in the last 20 years and you'll find a correlation of increased profits. I never thought i'd see good patriots like yourself fighting for the interest of Canada, Chy-Na, and greedy energy execs, who are some of the sleaziest, most crooked people on the planet.

    Just to recap, I asked how an uncompleted, unoperational pipeline extension pumping crude not owned by us nor destined for our tanks affects our bottom line. You answered: Futures, which is a respectable answer but like I said, that an issue with Wall Street, not Joe Biden. The system of betting on futures is fucked. Wall Street is fucked.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2021 - 10:37 PM ET #7

    " I never thought i'd see good patriots like yourself fighting for the interest of Canada, Chy-Na, and greedy energy execs, who are some of the sleaziest, most crooked people on the planet."

    Your preconceived notion I consider myself a "good patriot" is as wrong as the rest of your thinking. I'm a logical person, not EMOTIONALLY driven.

    Several people lost their jobs, communities where the pipeline was being built have lost $$$$. Private financial backers were back-stabbed after putting up their money. What chance do we have to have private backers to ever step foward again. Shutting down that pipeline was an adolescent reaction to hatred of Trump, no logical benifit what so ever to our country.

    MIchigan gov now trying to shutdown Canadian company pipeline. WHY? Oil bad!! Propane bad!!! This pipeline keeps energy costs low in Northern MI. Company says F-U gov you have no authority.

    some of the sleaziest, most crooked people on the planet? They're currently running our country as our elected leaders!

     

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    " I never thought i'd see good patriots like yourself fighting for the interest of Canada, Chy-Na, and greedy energy execs, who are some of the sleaziest, most crooked people on the planet."

    Your preconceived notion I consider myself a "good patriot" is as wrong as the rest of your thinking. I'm a logical person, not EMOTIONALLY driven.

    Several people lost their jobs, communities where the pipeline was being built have lost $$$$. Private financial backers were back-stabbed after putting up their money. What chance do we have to have private backers to ever step foward again. Shutting down that pipeline was an adolescent reaction to hatred of Trump, no logical benifit what so ever to our country.

    MIchigan gov now trying to shutdown Canadian company pipeline. WHY? Oil bad!! Propane bad!!! This pipeline keeps energy costs low in Northern MI. Company says F-U gov you have no authority.

    some of the sleaziest, most crooked people on the planet? They're currently running our country as our elected leaders!

     

     
     
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    My two cents...the decision to allow Keystone to go forward as it did was a massive mistake made by Trump, prior to his greedy selfish GOP interests it was not going forward in any way as it did due to Trump destroying protections that Keystone tramples all over. So I blame the prior administration for allowing this monstrosity to even have the potential to exist.

    If Canada wants to refine sour crude to ship to China then let them pay for and build refineries in their country not use the US to move it to the gulf for refining. There are ways people can find work that are not related to this endeavor and if people want to make private investments there are always opportunities. We still allow that horrid fracking to exist so go invest there. I hope that Biden will put much greater restriction on fracking because it causes great harm to the water table and the process of fracking puts chemicals into our waterways and into the land so these O&G firms can make money using cheap zero interest rate leveraged cash (which is also a tax on the savers but I digress). There are always ways someone who wants to invest can find it and there are plenty of jobs to be found in the market and if people want to work construction of pipelines then go to where that kind of work is in demand, I think the risks and downsides to Keystone are far too great for the small return it brings in jobs. 

    Last thing...Ive told this story before when I was a broker on the east coast one of my clients was a worker at a refinery in Philly for Sunoco and he would call to make trades and we swapped stories, he told me of the way the company would manipulate production to maximize profits. They would run triple shifts when prices were good and when prices were low they would just happen to be in maintenance mode and shut down some production so they could "clean or repair" equipment...he said it was all a scam and all the workers knew it. Gas prices are a function of perceived demand there is enough supply out there it is all about manipulation and the anticipation of demand or the lack of demand.

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    My two cents...the decision to allow Keystone to go forward as it did was a massive mistake made by Trump, prior to his greedy selfish GOP interests it was not going forward in any way as it did due to Trump destroying protections that Keystone tramples all over. So I blame the prior administration for allowing this monstrosity to even have the potential to exist.

    If Canada wants to refine sour crude to ship to China then let them pay for and build refineries in their country not use the US to move it to the gulf for refining. There are ways people can find work that are not related to this endeavor and if people want to make private investments there are always opportunities. We still allow that horrid fracking to exist so go invest there. I hope that Biden will put much greater restriction on fracking because it causes great harm to the water table and the process of fracking puts chemicals into our waterways and into the land so these O&G firms can make money using cheap zero interest rate leveraged cash (which is also a tax on the savers but I digress). There are always ways someone who wants to invest can find it and there are plenty of jobs to be found in the market and if people want to work construction of pipelines then go to where that kind of work is in demand, I think the risks and downsides to Keystone are far too great for the small return it brings in jobs. 

    Last thing...Ive told this story before when I was a broker on the east coast one of my clients was a worker at a refinery in Philly for Sunoco and he would call to make trades and we swapped stories, he told me of the way the company would manipulate production to maximize profits. They would run triple shifts when prices were good and when prices were low they would just happen to be in maintenance mode and shut down some production so they could "clean or repair" equipment...he said it was all a scam and all the workers knew it. Gas prices are a function of perceived demand there is enough supply out there it is all about manipulation and the anticipation of demand or the lack of demand.

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