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Posted: #51
Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

Number 4

Bin Laden is dead.

Thank you to our intelligence community and soldiers. I do credit Obama with authorizing the attack. Seemed almost hawkish.

Geez A little credit ? that generous of you. But you must admit, an improvement, right ?



Terrorism is alive and well so while my hat is off to Obama for calling the hit on BL there has been no improvement in the grand scheme of terrorism or Al Queda.
Think big picture and how most events are tied into another event.


 
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Egypt / Libya

how was Hosni Mubarak bad for the US?

also Reagan neutered Qaddafi...
and then under another Republican  president, Qaddafi gave up his nukes
 
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Posted: #53
Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

 Number 3

 

Dictators who have been a thorn in our side are gone from Egypt, and Libya.

Libya as in Benghazi....great success story there! Tell me, who is in power in Libya now......

Egypt, again who is in power? What are their motives?

Be careful when you view regime change as an answer with no clue who the power vacuum will bring to the table

Look, Ghaddafi is gone, is that not good for US ? Improvement , Right ?



Gaddafi wanted to nationalize his oil and the country is rich with gold. He talked about a United States of Africa, using the gold standard......basically he was a threat to what we see as our power and clout on the world stage so we and some NATO allies decided he should go. Dont kid yourself that it was for humanitarian reasons.

Who is in power now?
Are they an improvement over Gaddafi?
Do they support the West?
Only time will tell my friend

 
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Posted: #54
Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

Number 2

 

We are on track to be out of Afghanistan within 6-12 months.

And the Taliban are set to regain control in 7-13 months....great job?

And so you want to stay for 10 more years ? No he is getting us out !



Nope, I am glad we are getting out. But my question to you would be what do we do if (when) Al Queda takes it back over?

Whats our foreign policy in regards to this?
That is the WHOLE question about every comment you have made. What is our foreign policy?


 
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Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

Lord I'm not insulting you, I'm just point out that everything you say is bad.

 

Number One

 

 

We are out or Iraq, (yes there civil strife still on going ) not unusual in the aftermath of a war torn country.

"Google the Status of Forces Agreement-it set the time table for withdrawal before Obama was in office. Iraq is a freaking mess by the way.
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Look, this is your war, Bush voters, he took us in.  But since we are out, things have improved for US ! Obama took us OUT !



So you didnt google what I told you to.

Little secret for ya......dont believe everything your government tells you.

I am glad we are out just as we are getting out of Afghanistan.

But again, whats our policy toward Iraq going forward.



 
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Posted: #56
Quote Originally Posted by lordspoint:



Terrorism is alive and well so while my hat is off to Obama for calling the hit on BL there has been no improvement in the grand scheme of terrorism or Al Queda.
Think big picture and how most events are tied into another event.




The only hit Obama was calling at the time bin Laden was being shot was " Hit that King of spades Reggie "......
 
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Lordy..You are all about if's and when.

Well IF McCain had won, we would be in 3 wars now.

 

Things ARE getting better over there, and here at home.  But you Flies, and Sly are nothing but nay sayers, you both fit right in with the Repulsicans, the party of NO needs you. Can'tor and Boner need your vote again.

 
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Posted: #58
Quote Originally Posted by Villemure30:

Don

Egypt / Libya

how was Hosni Mubarak bad for the US?

also Reagan neutered Qaddafi...
and then under another Republican  president, Qaddafi gave up his nukes

They were backing Al Qaeda , now they are Gone

 

 
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Posted: #59
Mubarak backed AQ?

Qaddafi backed AQ?

Haven't seen this documented anywhere...
Source material on this please?
 
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Posted: #60
Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

They were backing Al Qaeda , now they are Gone

 


Also let me get this straight....


They backed AQ...bad

AQ = bad

But when Bush goes into Afghanistan to chase AQ...also bad?


 
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Ok Don,
The whole middle east is in turmoil...so tell me who is in power and who are the background players and who are the rebels in:
Syria
Egypt
Libya

and what is our foreign policy in regard to these 3 countries? I say ours as in the UNITED STATES!

I dont say it in terms of D's and R's.






 
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Based upon your previous posts I say you dont have an answer to the above.

Should I start posting stories from around the globe so you can get a sense of what the hell is going on in the world???

My God man!
 
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Personally I say we stop trying to spread democracy around the globe and sticking our nose into everyones business.

 
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Posted: #64
Quote Originally Posted by Villemure30:


Also let me get this straight....


They backed AQ...bad

AQ = bad

But when Bush goes into Afghanistan to chase AQ...also bad?


 

Villan,, Bush decided not to go all the way after Bin laden, Bad, youre right it was Bad

 
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Quote Originally Posted by lordspoint:

Ok Don,
The whole middle east is in turmoil...so tell me who is in power and who are the background players and who are the rebels in:
Syria
Egypt
Libya

and what is our foreign policy in regard to these 3 countries? I say ours as in the UNITED STATES!

I dont say it in terms of D's and R's.






 

When they back terrorists who attack the United States, dam right they will be in turmoil. Would you want to just slap their hand ? And don't tell me Gadaffi  was an innocent bystander.

 
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Lordy, Villan or did you forget already about the 300 Marines that your buddy R Reagan sent to their deaths and didn't do squat about it.

 

 
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Posted: #67
Quote Originally Posted by lordspoint:

Personally I say we stop trying to spread democracy around the globe and sticking our nose into everyones business.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by lordspoint:

Personally I say we stop trying to spread democracy around the globe and sticking our nose into everyones business.


Thats a tough general observation. We tried that in the past and it ended up very badly. Maybe we are too active, but to go too far in the other direction is not the best solution either.
 
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Ok, so you are saying the 3 countries I asked u about are backing terrorism at the present time?
It also sounds like u r advocating war?

why are you bringing up Reagan? How is that relevant to the discussion we are having?
 
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Wall, yes it's a fine balance for sure. Right now we are still pushing democracy down everyone's throats. I don't think that is a good thing. It's a complicated world and we are dealing with countries that have their own culture, values and religious beliefs. Their isn't a one size fits all solution
 
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America's definition of democracy ... means something totally different in an Islamic country..
 
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But also wall, it's not the past anymore. It's a much different world. We can strike anywhere in the world on a moments notice. What would happen if we told the world that we were closing all our bases worldwide and wanted to foster a world of peace amongst countries. What would happen I wonder?
China over runs Tawian? Attacks Japan?
North Korea invades the South?
 
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What would happen in the Middle East?

What would Iran do? Would they attack Israel?

Remember we can strike any country at a moments notice from right here on our own soil. We can't however put troops on the ground or use our bribed "friends" airstrips bc we have vacated their countries
 
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I actually think it would be worse to be isolationist now versus in the past.

The threat to this country is more than in the past, the time it takes and the damage that can be done is more than in the past.

The speed of execution is faster, the damage greater..

I dont like the libertarian view of global military hiding. I dont like the way our military has acted over the past 50 yrs but I dont like the idea of ignoring and hiding either.
 
 
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What is keeping those threats at bay right now?
And what do you mean by the damage that can be done?

Do you believe our threats come mainly from terrorists or do you think a country would launch an attack on us.

Believe me I am not proposing isolationism but like Teddy said, walk softly and carry a big stick.
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