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    SarasotaSlim
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2017 - 3:11 AM ET #1

    The Associated Press posted a correction of stories it published in April and three different times again in June..

    The AP reported that all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies have agreed that Russia tried to influence the 2016 election to benefit Donald Trump...

    That information was wrong and misleading ...more fake news!

    The news organization based their assessment on information collected by just three agencies (the FBI, CIA and National Security Agency)and published by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which represents all U.S. intelligence agencies.

    Not all 17 intelligence agencies were involved in reaching the assessment.

    ...and another one fesses up.. more fake Russian hacking news..

    The New York Times also issued a correction Thursday on a article that incorrectly claimed all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies agreed that “Russia orchestrated the attacks, and did it to help get President Trump elected"   ....the truth is that the assessment was not approved by all 17 agencies.

    Now,, all we need is a correction from Psycho Joe Scarborough who said that Donald Trump should not be tweeting about national intelligence reports on Russia's attempt to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    President Trump should never stop tweeting ,,because the American people can not trust the fake Fourth Estate,,,
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    The Associated Press posted a correction of stories it published in April and three different times again in June..

    The AP reported that all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies have agreed that Russia tried to influence the 2016 election to benefit Donald Trump...

    That information was wrong and misleading ...more fake news!

    The news organization based their assessment on information collected by just three agencies (the FBI, CIA and National Security Agency)and published by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which represents all U.S. intelligence agencies.

    Not all 17 intelligence agencies were involved in reaching the assessment.

    ...and another one fesses up.. more fake Russian hacking news..

    The New York Times also issued a correction Thursday on a article that incorrectly claimed all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies agreed that “Russia orchestrated the attacks, and did it to help get President Trump elected"   ....the truth is that the assessment was not approved by all 17 agencies.

    Now,, all we need is a correction from Psycho Joe Scarborough who said that Donald Trump should not be tweeting about national intelligence reports on Russia's attempt to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

    President Trump should never stop tweeting ,,because the American people can not trust the fake Fourth Estate,,,
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2017 - 4:12 AM ET #2

    Trump needs to revoke their press passes and ignore them.  People that are not leftist loons know they are fake news, so why even give them any more attention?

    Let the conservative outlets bash the corrupt, petulant MSM, while Trump goes about his business of fixing this country, like he was elected to do.

    There is no need for Trump to even acknowledge these frauds in the MSM any more, now that he overcome them by getting elected.
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    Trump needs to revoke their press passes and ignore them.  People that are not leftist loons know they are fake news, so why even give them any more attention?

    Let the conservative outlets bash the corrupt, petulant MSM, while Trump goes about his business of fixing this country, like he was elected to do.

    There is no need for Trump to even acknowledge these frauds in the MSM any more, now that he overcome them by getting elected.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2017 - 5:15 AM ET #3

    Government investigations are still justified even if just CIA, FBI or National security agency confirmed Russian interference in US election.  US cybersecurity companies and european allies also confirmed Russian meddling.  Together, their conclusions are still significant. 

    Besides, many US intelligence agencies aren't really needed for confirmation.  For examples, coast guard, energy, treasury, drug trafficking, geospatial, satellites, air force, army, naval and marine corps.




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    Government investigations are still justified even if just CIA, FBI or National security agency confirmed Russian interference in US election.  US cybersecurity companies and european allies also confirmed Russian meddling.  Together, their conclusions are still significant. 

    Besides, many US intelligence agencies aren't really needed for confirmation.  For examples, coast guard, energy, treasury, drug trafficking, geospatial, satellites, air force, army, naval and marine corps.




     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2017 - 1:21 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:



    Besides, many US intelligence agencies aren't really needed for confirmation.  For examples, coast guard, energy, treasury, drug trafficking, geospatial, satellites, air force, army, naval and marine corps.



    So, answer me this Thirdperson..if all agencies aren't really needed for confirmation..Why did the Associated Press and the NYTimes print fake news ,,that all 17 agencies agreed that Russia tried to influence the 2016 election to benefit Donald Trump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:



    Besides, many US intelligence agencies aren't really needed for confirmation.  For examples, coast guard, energy, treasury, drug trafficking, geospatial, satellites, air force, army, naval and marine corps.



    So, answer me this Thirdperson..if all agencies aren't really needed for confirmation..Why did the Associated Press and the NYTimes print fake news ,,that all 17 agencies agreed that Russia tried to influence the 2016 election to benefit Donald Trump?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2017 - 4:28 PM ET #5

    Media is fuccked up.  Their hatred has blinded them.  Potus keeps winning and they can't handle it.  Long 8 years for them.
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    Media is fuccked up.  Their hatred has blinded them.  Potus keeps winning and they can't handle it.  Long 8 years for them.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2017 - 4:41 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:

    Media is fuccked up.  Their hatred has blinded them.  Potus keeps winning and they can't handle it.  Long 8 years for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 165yds:

    Media is fuccked up.  Their hatred has blinded them.  Potus keeps winning and they can't handle it.  Long 8 years for them.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2017 - 4:49 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    So, answer me this Thirdperson..if all agencies aren't really needed for confirmation..Why did the Associated Press and the NYTimes print fake news ,,that all 17 agencies agreed that Russia tried to influence the 2016 election to benefit Donald Trump?


    Nice "clickbait "deflection thread slim.But the bottom line is still that the russians hacked/interfered in the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    So, answer me this Thirdperson..if all agencies aren't really needed for confirmation..Why did the Associated Press and the NYTimes print fake news ,,that all 17 agencies agreed that Russia tried to influence the 2016 election to benefit Donald Trump?


    Nice "clickbait "deflection thread slim.But the bottom line is still that the russians hacked/interfered in the election.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2017 - 4:54 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    Nice "clickbait "deflection thread slim.But the bottom line is still that the russians hacked/interfered in the election.



    Thanks for the reply Thirdperson..
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    Nice "clickbait "deflection thread slim.But the bottom line is still that the russians hacked/interfered in the election.



    Thanks for the reply Thirdperson..
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2017 - 5:14 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Thanks for the reply Thirdperson..

    I had a better reply but I thought it would be over your head so ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    Thanks for the reply Thirdperson..

    I had a better reply but I thought it would be over your head so ....
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2017 - 5:24 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    I had a better reply but I thought it would be over your head so ....


    You should have used it ..since it would be the first time ,that you ever posted something to me that was over my head..in fact you answering in place of thirdperson makes me doubt you had a better reply ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    I had a better reply but I thought it would be over your head so ....


    You should have used it ..since it would be the first time ,that you ever posted something to me that was over my head..in fact you answering in place of thirdperson makes me doubt you had a better reply ..
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2017 - 6:54 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    Nice "clickbait "deflection thread slim.But the bottom line is still that the russians hacked/interfered in the election.



    Bottom Line indeed...

    Now we are finding out ...

    New York Times printed a major correction of a major mistake.

    Except, the correction itself was incorrect.

    The assessment was not “made by three or four intelligence agencies.” The agencies only approved the assessment. But the assessment itself was not done by the three or four agencies.  It was done by a highly irregular committee.

    That fact was disclosed by former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper during a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing on May 8, when he acknowledged the assessment was not conducted by his office, the FBI, the CIA and the NSA, but by a panel.

    So, the assessment was made by
    a subjective judgment made by a hand-picked group of intelligence analysts....and that's the bottom line

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    Nice "clickbait "deflection thread slim.But the bottom line is still that the russians hacked/interfered in the election.



    Bottom Line indeed...

    Now we are finding out ...

    New York Times printed a major correction of a major mistake.

    Except, the correction itself was incorrect.

    The assessment was not “made by three or four intelligence agencies.” The agencies only approved the assessment. But the assessment itself was not done by the three or four agencies.  It was done by a highly irregular committee.

    That fact was disclosed by former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper during a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing on May 8, when he acknowledged the assessment was not conducted by his office, the FBI, the CIA and the NSA, but by a panel.

    So, the assessment was made by
    a subjective judgment made by a hand-picked group of intelligence analysts....and that's the bottom line

     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2017 - 7:41 PM ET #12

    Good info. What a bunch of shills. 


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    Good info. What a bunch of shills. 


     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2017 - 8:17 PM ET #13

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/24/trump-questions-why-obama-allegedly-did-nothing-about-russia-hacking-in-fox-interview.html

    bottom line, even trump admits it.
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    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/24/trump-questions-why-obama-allegedly-did-nothing-about-russia-hacking-in-fox-interview.html

    bottom line, even trump admits it.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2017 - 9:49 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/24/trump-questions-why-obama-allegedly-did-nothing-about-russia-hacking-in-fox-interview.html
    bottom line, even trump admits it.


    That's correct President Trump admitted last week in the interview,, that he heard about it that day ...so?




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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/24/trump-questions-why-obama-allegedly-did-nothing-about-russia-hacking-in-fox-interview.html
    bottom line, even trump admits it.


    That's correct President Trump admitted last week in the interview,, that he heard about it that day ...so?




     
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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2017 - 8:58 AM ET #15

    Slim, great stuff man. All liberals do is lie.

    National Security Administration Director Adm. Michael Rogers
    House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes

    Nunes: Do you have any evidence that Russian actors changed vote tallies in the state of Michigan?
    Rogers: “No, I do not,”
    Nunes: How about the state of Pennsylvania?
    Rogers “No, sir,”
    Nunes: The state of Wisconsin?
    Rogers “No, sir”
    Nunes: How about Florida?
    Rogers “No, sir”
    Nunes:  How about North Carolina?
    Rogers “No, sir”
    Nunes:  How about Ohio?
    Rogers “No, sir”

    Obama Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson testified: “He does not believe Russian hacking "altered or suppressed" votes in the 2016 election.”

    Director of National Intelligence James Clapper: "They did not change any vote tallies or anything of that sort," Clapper said under questioning from Chairman John McCain (R.-Ariz.)

    Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark) asked Clapper, “the intelligence community says, ‘It would be extremely difficult for someone – including a nation-state actor to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyber attack or intrusion,’ and you say to that earlier today as well that we have no evidence that vote tallies were altered or manipulated in anyway?” “That’s correct,” Clapper said.

    House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes asked FBI Director Comey: “Do you have any evidence that the FBI that any votes were changed in the states I mentioned to Adm. Rogers?” “No,” Comey responded.” “We found no indication of any change in vote tallies.” Comey Said.

    Bottom line: Russia did nothing. It’s all BS.

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    Slim, great stuff man. All liberals do is lie.

    National Security Administration Director Adm. Michael Rogers
    House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes

    Nunes: Do you have any evidence that Russian actors changed vote tallies in the state of Michigan?
    Rogers: “No, I do not,”
    Nunes: How about the state of Pennsylvania?
    Rogers “No, sir,”
    Nunes: The state of Wisconsin?
    Rogers “No, sir”
    Nunes: How about Florida?
    Rogers “No, sir”
    Nunes:  How about North Carolina?
    Rogers “No, sir”
    Nunes:  How about Ohio?
    Rogers “No, sir”

    Obama Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson testified: “He does not believe Russian hacking "altered or suppressed" votes in the 2016 election.”

    Director of National Intelligence James Clapper: "They did not change any vote tallies or anything of that sort," Clapper said under questioning from Chairman John McCain (R.-Ariz.)

    Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark) asked Clapper, “the intelligence community says, ‘It would be extremely difficult for someone – including a nation-state actor to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyber attack or intrusion,’ and you say to that earlier today as well that we have no evidence that vote tallies were altered or manipulated in anyway?” “That’s correct,” Clapper said.

    House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes asked FBI Director Comey: “Do you have any evidence that the FBI that any votes were changed in the states I mentioned to Adm. Rogers?” “No,” Comey responded.” “We found no indication of any change in vote tallies.” Comey Said.

    Bottom line: Russia did nothing. It’s all BS.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 3, 2017 - 7:19 AM ET #16

    Ive had a few discussions with left leaning individuals, when pressed to provide evidence of trump/russian collusion they point to the fact that seventeen intelligence agencies have said so.The investigation itself becomes the evidence. Most left wingers on this site continually repeat this mantra. Some even hold on to the rediculous notion that once the investigation is completed, the election results will be thrown out and HRC will be POTUS (think that doozy came from wallstreetcappers)

    CNN and the other left wing fake news networks have been beating this drum for months now. It wouldn't be that big a deal if it didn't foster the rage that has resulted in riots, the public bullying/shaming of trump supporters, the attempted murder of members of the republican congressional baseball team, the abduction/torture of a white disabled man and so on. 

    Both CNN and the NYT are yesterday's fake news.

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    Ive had a few discussions with left leaning individuals, when pressed to provide evidence of trump/russian collusion they point to the fact that seventeen intelligence agencies have said so.The investigation itself becomes the evidence. Most left wingers on this site continually repeat this mantra. Some even hold on to the rediculous notion that once the investigation is completed, the election results will be thrown out and HRC will be POTUS (think that doozy came from wallstreetcappers)

    CNN and the other left wing fake news networks have been beating this drum for months now. It wouldn't be that big a deal if it didn't foster the rage that has resulted in riots, the public bullying/shaming of trump supporters, the attempted murder of members of the republican congressional baseball team, the abduction/torture of a white disabled man and so on. 

    Both CNN and the NYT are yesterday's fake news.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 12:11 AM ET #17

    Fox News and others reported the US FISA court legally issued a warrant for surveillance of trump's team members last summer. Sorry but that action only happens as a result of evidence of criminal behavior.
    When the intercepts are one day made public, the "which hunt" truthers will eat crow
    BTW, notice the legal team Comey has put together? backgrounds in racketeering and obstruction, etc....probably just coincidence, right ?
    This is what the rule of law looks like.
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    Fox News and others reported the US FISA court legally issued a warrant for surveillance of trump's team members last summer. Sorry but that action only happens as a result of evidence of criminal behavior.
    When the intercepts are one day made public, the "which hunt" truthers will eat crow
    BTW, notice the legal team Comey has put together? backgrounds in racketeering and obstruction, etc....probably just coincidence, right ?
    This is what the rule of law looks like.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 12:17 AM ET #18

    And then there were 3 indeed: collusion, obstruction and racketeering
    lol

    Now please reply with your witch hunt themed rant cause u know exactly how FBI And congressional investigations work, foreign intercepts and NYS racketeering laws.
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    And then there were 3 indeed: collusion, obstruction and racketeering
    lol

    Now please reply with your witch hunt themed rant cause u know exactly how FBI And congressional investigations work, foreign intercepts and NYS racketeering laws.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 12:29 AM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    Nice "clickbait "deflection thread slim.But the bottom line is still that the russians hacked/interfered in the election.




    And? If that witch didn't lose this would've been a nothing burger from jump. The Russians interfere in as many elections as they desire as does THE USA. If the media/left weren't in lock step, not a peep about Russia. The Trump supporters see through this without a problem.

    The Stock Market, Unemployment, Illegal Border crossings all moving in the right direction, soon Obamacare will be a bad memory that the dems can mourn over whose fault it was that it was the beginning of the end of their b.s.. Also, taking a lead from the Trump Administration, the states are reinstating work requirements for food stamps. 85% decrease in Alabama for recipients that ate on the program that had no kids. The free lunch is over.

    As long as he keeps doing things like above, I can put up with his childish/unnecessary tweets directed at the failing media. Now the dems are going to explore the 25th amendment as a way to bump off Trump. Pathetic and your party is too stupid to figure out they lost and stand for nothing as I type this except anti-Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    Nice "clickbait "deflection thread slim.But the bottom line is still that the russians hacked/interfered in the election.




    And? If that witch didn't lose this would've been a nothing burger from jump. The Russians interfere in as many elections as they desire as does THE USA. If the media/left weren't in lock step, not a peep about Russia. The Trump supporters see through this without a problem.

    The Stock Market, Unemployment, Illegal Border crossings all moving in the right direction, soon Obamacare will be a bad memory that the dems can mourn over whose fault it was that it was the beginning of the end of their b.s.. Also, taking a lead from the Trump Administration, the states are reinstating work requirements for food stamps. 85% decrease in Alabama for recipients that ate on the program that had no kids. The free lunch is over.

    As long as he keeps doing things like above, I can put up with his childish/unnecessary tweets directed at the failing media. Now the dems are going to explore the 25th amendment as a way to bump off Trump. Pathetic and your party is too stupid to figure out they lost and stand for nothing as I type this except anti-Trump.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 2:49 AM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by Pdriver:

    And then there were 3 indeed: collusion, obstruction and racketeering 

     



     What do you mean...  ..when you make this claim of collusion?

    ..and be precise.

    What specified violation of the criminal law do you say was commited ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pdriver:

    And then there were 3 indeed: collusion, obstruction and racketeering 

     



     What do you mean...  ..when you make this claim of collusion?

    ..and be precise.

    What specified violation of the criminal law do you say was commited ?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 7:39 AM ET #21

    Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002
    Fraud
    Public Courruption
    Illegal campaign contributions

    And actual citizens such as Carter page could be tried for treason.
    Mueller's original scope was russian meddling in our election. When additional evidence came up beyond this scope (i.e. Racketeering), FBI agents no doubt reported their findings. Typically a new scope gets opened and such investigations drag on. That's the nature of such undertakings whether it be watergate or the IRS investigating a random individual for tax evasion.
    Although collusion was the entry pathway to the investigation it may not be the charge that will be most problematic to trump.
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    Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002
    Fraud
    Public Courruption
    Illegal campaign contributions

    And actual citizens such as Carter page could be tried for treason.
    Mueller's original scope was russian meddling in our election. When additional evidence came up beyond this scope (i.e. Racketeering), FBI agents no doubt reported their findings. Typically a new scope gets opened and such investigations drag on. That's the nature of such undertakings whether it be watergate or the IRS investigating a random individual for tax evasion.
    Although collusion was the entry pathway to the investigation it may not be the charge that will be most problematic to trump.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 11:22 AM ET #22

    Keep dreaming P... If the witch didn't go down with all the evidence against her (of course the fix was in), the current pipe dream of proving collusion, obstruction or cross-dressing is not going to happen.
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    Keep dreaming P... If the witch didn't go down with all the evidence against her (of course the fix was in), the current pipe dream of proving collusion, obstruction or cross-dressing is not going to happen.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 2:45 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by Pdriver:



    Although collusion was the entry pathway to the investigation it may not be the charge that will be most problematic to trump.


    So you're saying ,,at this point in time there is no evidence,that criminal collusion was committed .... only conjecture ,if comes and collusion porn..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pdriver:



    Although collusion was the entry pathway to the investigation it may not be the charge that will be most problematic to trump.


    So you're saying ,,at this point in time there is no evidence,that criminal collusion was committed .... only conjecture ,if comes and collusion porn..
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 5:33 PM ET #24

    Slim and Killer- don't agree w you cats but we will see. Tribalism is winning right now not the truth.
    Slim- I have no idea if evidence of collusion (Lay term/not legal) exists. All I know is what has been reported as well as a bit more knowledge about federal investigations and the openings of additional scopes. That looks like precisely what is happening.
    Too many moving parts but imagine we had a side bet held in escrow whether page, manafort, Flynn and/or trump will be indicted. I would run to make that bet. Would u be as confident ?
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    Slim and Killer- don't agree w you cats but we will see. Tribalism is winning right now not the truth.
    Slim- I have no idea if evidence of collusion (Lay term/not legal) exists. All I know is what has been reported as well as a bit more knowledge about federal investigations and the openings of additional scopes. That looks like precisely what is happening.
    Too many moving parts but imagine we had a side bet held in escrow whether page, manafort, Flynn and/or trump will be indicted. I would run to make that bet. Would u be as confident ?
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 5, 2017 - 5:54 PM ET #25

    Hell yeah I'd be confident.  If there was any compelling evidence that exists of anything, don't you think they would put it out there and attempt to remove Trump? 

    Of course, this is a big joke anyway because they need 18 Republican Senators to vote to Impeach him. I guess they would know doing that they wouldn't be Senators much longer. From what I can see, the only way to get rid of a Senator is natural causes because they rarely retire. 

    Trump is doing a fine job and he'll be with us for 2 terms....
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    Hell yeah I'd be confident.  If there was any compelling evidence that exists of anything, don't you think they would put it out there and attempt to remove Trump? 

    Of course, this is a big joke anyway because they need 18 Republican Senators to vote to Impeach him. I guess they would know doing that they wouldn't be Senators much longer. From what I can see, the only way to get rid of a Senator is natural causes because they rarely retire. 

    Trump is doing a fine job and he'll be with us for 2 terms....
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