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    Biden team gets hostages release after months of intense negotiating to get a ceasefire-hostage deal!

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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2025 - 3:18 AM ET #26

    Ceasefire deal would not have been possible without mediators from Israel, Hamas, US, Egypt and Qatar.  Resulting from extreme pressure on Hamas, Lebanon ceasefire,  weakening of Iran and long difficult diplomacy.  According to NBC, US officials downplay Trump relevance to deal process apart from the importance of ensuring his support for a deal.  For a deal to succeed, US backing is needed for long reconstruction and security of Gaza. 

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    Ceasefire deal would not have been possible without mediators from Israel, Hamas, US, Egypt and Qatar.  Resulting from extreme pressure on Hamas, Lebanon ceasefire,  weakening of Iran and long difficult diplomacy.  According to NBC, US officials downplay Trump relevance to deal process apart from the importance of ensuring his support for a deal.  For a deal to succeed, US backing is needed for long reconstruction and security of Gaza. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2025 - 7:46 AM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Ceasefire deal would not have been possible without mediators from Israel, Hamas, US, Egypt and Qatar.  Resulting from extreme pressure on Hamas, Lebanon ceasefire,  weakening of Iran and long difficult diplomacy.  According to NBC, US officials downplay Trump relevance to deal process apart from the importance of ensuring his support for a deal.  For a deal to succeed, US backing is needed for long reconstruction and security of Gaza.

    @thirdperson

     Excellent points as always, thirdperson! peace_5

    In fact it was Biden who suggested a few weeks ago that the incoming [fascist] administration should get involved since after all they will be the ones who will need to maintain the support for the peace deal [and whom will shoulder the blame if it falls apart on THEIR watch!]  That is when team trump got involved, not before.  Not during the long 6 month period prior when the Biden team had been coordinating bringing various players to the table for talks after Biden laid out his plan in May - which is broadly what was negotiated and adopted this week by all sides, which includes the release of American hostages.

    an_lightSpeaking at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, Donald Trump’s Middle East envoy and lead negotiator, Steve Witkoff said [in polite acknowledgement of the facts]:
    Biden’s team was the “tip of the spear” in the talks.

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Ceasefire deal would not have been possible without mediators from Israel, Hamas, US, Egypt and Qatar.  Resulting from extreme pressure on Hamas, Lebanon ceasefire,  weakening of Iran and long difficult diplomacy.  According to NBC, US officials downplay Trump relevance to deal process apart from the importance of ensuring his support for a deal.  For a deal to succeed, US backing is needed for long reconstruction and security of Gaza.

    @thirdperson

     Excellent points as always, thirdperson! peace_5

    In fact it was Biden who suggested a few weeks ago that the incoming [fascist] administration should get involved since after all they will be the ones who will need to maintain the support for the peace deal [and whom will shoulder the blame if it falls apart on THEIR watch!]  That is when team trump got involved, not before.  Not during the long 6 month period prior when the Biden team had been coordinating bringing various players to the table for talks after Biden laid out his plan in May - which is broadly what was negotiated and adopted this week by all sides, which includes the release of American hostages.

    an_lightSpeaking at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, Donald Trump’s Middle East envoy and lead negotiator, Steve Witkoff said [in polite acknowledgement of the facts]:
    Biden’s team was the “tip of the spear” in the talks.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2025 - 10:17 AM ET #28

    Biden made an excellent farewell speech. A speech likely noone on the right bothered to listen to. 

     

    Biden has a crystal clear understanding of American values (Liberty, democracy, checks and balances on power....). I think America needs to reflect these values before engaging in any kind of pompous, empty empire building.

    His warning about the dangers of AI and the increasing powers of high tech; this reminds of Eisenhower's warning about the mil ind complex in 1959. "The oligarchy in America is growing in power,.... and their use of AI threatens our values..."

     

    .................................................

     

     

    The only thing I can't get over too quickly (who can?) is genocide. Polls are clear that Kamala lost Biden 2020 voters over the situation in Gaza, esp in Michigan, but also younger democrats......This cease fire is a start (finally--the terms are IDENTICAL to what Hamas agreed to in May, and thousands have died since) I wish we did more for Palestine, but I fear things will get worse for them under Trump. I never thought I would live to see an actual genocide, that this is something to read about only in history books. Don't we have safeguards for vulnerable populations? Palestinians are (as I know them) peaceful farmers, fishermen, skilled craftsmen, and the children are easy going, happy....the elderly very patient, wise.....But the label of "terrorist" has been so damaging to their entire existence now. In a few decades, I fear these people will have disappeared, and both the EU and the US , for so many reasons, will have allowed this to happen. I know these people, and they are very good people and villified....such is how anger and resentment works in the hearts of people.

     

    These 4 years will go by quickly. So I will be grateful for the places I will visit.....Rocky Mountains (skiing), Smokey Mountains (Tenn), Key West, Everglades, Yellowstone, beautiful coastlines, beaches.....Montana skies......these places will still be there.

    So as things look so terrible (genocide, etc)....just be grateful for what you have. Don't engage politically with people who refuse to hear what you have to say. In politics, people get so angry, they cannot see anything positive in the other side. People need to kindle feelings of gratitude, to replace bitterness and anger. But they don't, so......

     

     

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    Biden made an excellent farewell speech. A speech likely noone on the right bothered to listen to. 

     

    Biden has a crystal clear understanding of American values (Liberty, democracy, checks and balances on power....). I think America needs to reflect these values before engaging in any kind of pompous, empty empire building.

    His warning about the dangers of AI and the increasing powers of high tech; this reminds of Eisenhower's warning about the mil ind complex in 1959. "The oligarchy in America is growing in power,.... and their use of AI threatens our values..."

     

    .................................................

     

     

    The only thing I can't get over too quickly (who can?) is genocide. Polls are clear that Kamala lost Biden 2020 voters over the situation in Gaza, esp in Michigan, but also younger democrats......This cease fire is a start (finally--the terms are IDENTICAL to what Hamas agreed to in May, and thousands have died since) I wish we did more for Palestine, but I fear things will get worse for them under Trump. I never thought I would live to see an actual genocide, that this is something to read about only in history books. Don't we have safeguards for vulnerable populations? Palestinians are (as I know them) peaceful farmers, fishermen, skilled craftsmen, and the children are easy going, happy....the elderly very patient, wise.....But the label of "terrorist" has been so damaging to their entire existence now. In a few decades, I fear these people will have disappeared, and both the EU and the US , for so many reasons, will have allowed this to happen. I know these people, and they are very good people and villified....such is how anger and resentment works in the hearts of people.

     

    These 4 years will go by quickly. So I will be grateful for the places I will visit.....Rocky Mountains (skiing), Smokey Mountains (Tenn), Key West, Everglades, Yellowstone, beautiful coastlines, beaches.....Montana skies......these places will still be there.

    So as things look so terrible (genocide, etc)....just be grateful for what you have. Don't engage politically with people who refuse to hear what you have to say. In politics, people get so angry, they cannot see anything positive in the other side. People need to kindle feelings of gratitude, to replace bitterness and anger. But they don't, so......

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2025 - 11:07 AM ET #29

    What I am suggesting is actually a statement of fact: Hamas agreed to an 18th month ceasefire earlier than July even. Although SOS Blinken blamed Hamas, it was indeed the Israelis who did not agree to terms. This is now confirmed by Israeli negotiators.

    There was not one speech in Michigan that Kamala could do without an interruption from protestors, upset about an obviously brutal genocide. She had that regrettable viral moment when she scolded them "...I am speaking....!"

    Fact is, Netanyahu aided Trump by denying the terms of the ceasefire agreed by all parties. Was this election interference?

    Michigan voters (Dearborn, etc) split and voted with Trump over this issue. This issue was central to voters, and Democrat strategists know this to be true BEFORE the election.

    Trump the peacemaker? Good Lord! Look at the neocons in his cabinet...Hegseth, Rubio, et al.

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    What I am suggesting is actually a statement of fact: Hamas agreed to an 18th month ceasefire earlier than July even. Although SOS Blinken blamed Hamas, it was indeed the Israelis who did not agree to terms. This is now confirmed by Israeli negotiators.

    There was not one speech in Michigan that Kamala could do without an interruption from protestors, upset about an obviously brutal genocide. She had that regrettable viral moment when she scolded them "...I am speaking....!"

    Fact is, Netanyahu aided Trump by denying the terms of the ceasefire agreed by all parties. Was this election interference?

    Michigan voters (Dearborn, etc) split and voted with Trump over this issue. This issue was central to voters, and Democrat strategists know this to be true BEFORE the election.

    Trump the peacemaker? Good Lord! Look at the neocons in his cabinet...Hegseth, Rubio, et al.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2025 - 11:10 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by MizuNoYoNiNaru:

    Biden made an excellent farewell speech. A speech likely noone on the right bothered to listen to.    Biden has a crystal clear understanding of American values (Liberty, democracy, checks and balances on power....). I think America needs to reflect these values before engaging in any kind of pompous, empty empire building. His warning about the dangers of AI and the increasing powers of high tech; this reminds of Eisenhower's warning about the mil ind complex in 1959. "The oligarchy in America is growing in power,.... and their use of AI threatens our values..."   .................................................     The only thing I can't get over too quickly (who can?) is genocide. Polls are clear that Kamala lost Biden 2020 voters over the situation in Gaza, esp in Michigan, but also younger democrats......This cease fire is a start (finally--the terms are IDENTICAL to what Hamas agreed to in May, and thousands have died since) I wish we did more for Palestine, but I fear things will get worse for them under Trump. I never thought I would live to see an actual genocide, that this is something to read about only in history books. Don't we have safeguards for vulnerable populations? Palestinians are (as I know them) peaceful farmers, fishermen, skilled craftsmen, and the children are easy going, happy....the elderly very patient, wise.....But the label of "terrorist" has been so damaging to their entire existence now. In a few decades, I fear these people will have disappeared, and both the EU and the US , for so many reasons, will have allowed this to happen. I know these people, and they are very good people and villified....such is how anger and resentment works in the hearts of people.   These 4 years will go by quickly. So I will be grateful for the places I will visit.....Rocky Mountains (skiing), Smokey Mountains (Tenn), Key West, Everglades, Yellowstone, beautiful coastlines, beaches.....Montana skies......these places will still be there. So as things look so terrible (genocide, etc)....just be grateful for what you have. Don't engage politically with people who refuse to hear what you have to say. In politics, people get so angry, they cannot see anything positive in the other side. People need to kindle feelings of gratitude, to replace bitterness and anger. But they don't, so......

     

    Good points there.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by MizuNoYoNiNaru:

    Biden made an excellent farewell speech. A speech likely noone on the right bothered to listen to.    Biden has a crystal clear understanding of American values (Liberty, democracy, checks and balances on power....). I think America needs to reflect these values before engaging in any kind of pompous, empty empire building. His warning about the dangers of AI and the increasing powers of high tech; this reminds of Eisenhower's warning about the mil ind complex in 1959. "The oligarchy in America is growing in power,.... and their use of AI threatens our values..."   .................................................     The only thing I can't get over too quickly (who can?) is genocide. Polls are clear that Kamala lost Biden 2020 voters over the situation in Gaza, esp in Michigan, but also younger democrats......This cease fire is a start (finally--the terms are IDENTICAL to what Hamas agreed to in May, and thousands have died since) I wish we did more for Palestine, but I fear things will get worse for them under Trump. I never thought I would live to see an actual genocide, that this is something to read about only in history books. Don't we have safeguards for vulnerable populations? Palestinians are (as I know them) peaceful farmers, fishermen, skilled craftsmen, and the children are easy going, happy....the elderly very patient, wise.....But the label of "terrorist" has been so damaging to their entire existence now. In a few decades, I fear these people will have disappeared, and both the EU and the US , for so many reasons, will have allowed this to happen. I know these people, and they are very good people and villified....such is how anger and resentment works in the hearts of people.   These 4 years will go by quickly. So I will be grateful for the places I will visit.....Rocky Mountains (skiing), Smokey Mountains (Tenn), Key West, Everglades, Yellowstone, beautiful coastlines, beaches.....Montana skies......these places will still be there. So as things look so terrible (genocide, etc)....just be grateful for what you have. Don't engage politically with people who refuse to hear what you have to say. In politics, people get so angry, they cannot see anything positive in the other side. People need to kindle feelings of gratitude, to replace bitterness and anger. But they don't, so......

     

    Good points there.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2025 - 11:20 AM ET #31

     It appears as though Trumps warning was heeded by hamas. an_light

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     It appears as though Trumps warning was heeded by hamas. an_light

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MizuNoYoNiNaru:

    Fact is, Netanyahu aided Trump by denying the terms of the ceasefire agreed by all parties. Was this election interference?

    Trump the peacemaker? Good Lord! Look at the neocons in his cabinet...Hegseth, Rubio, et al.

    More good points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MizuNoYoNiNaru:

    Fact is, Netanyahu aided Trump by denying the terms of the ceasefire agreed by all parties. Was this election interference?

    Trump the peacemaker? Good Lord! Look at the neocons in his cabinet...Hegseth, Rubio, et al.

    More good points.

     
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    an_speak   US Secretary of State Antony Blinken defended the Biden administration’s decision to involve the Trump administration in the final negotiations before the new administration was in office.

    “Virtually everything that now needs to be implemented
    under the agreement will be implemented under the
    Trump administration, and it was very important for the
    parties to know that the Trump administration stood
    behind the agreement that we negotiated and
    that President Biden put forward,” said Blinken.    an_2drinks

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    an_speak   US Secretary of State Antony Blinken defended the Biden administration’s decision to involve the Trump administration in the final negotiations before the new administration was in office.

    “Virtually everything that now needs to be implemented
    under the agreement will be implemented under the
    Trump administration, and it was very important for the
    parties to know that the Trump administration stood
    behind the agreement that we negotiated and
    that President Biden put forward,” said Blinken.    an_2drinks

     
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    Posted: Jan. 16, 2025 - 4:09 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by MizuNoYoNiNaru:

    Biden made an excellent farewell speech. A speech likely noone on the right bothered to listen to.    Biden has a crystal clear understanding of American values (Liberty, democracy, checks and balances on power....). I think America needs to reflect these values before engaging in any kind of pompous, empty empire building. His warning about the dangers of AI and the increasing powers of high tech; this reminds of Eisenhower's warning about the mil ind complex in 1959. "The oligarchy in America is growing in power,.... and their use of AI threatens our values..."   .................................................     The only thing I can't get over too quickly (who can?) is genocide. Polls are clear that Kamala lost Biden 2020 voters over the situation in Gaza, esp in Michigan, but also younger democrats......This cease fire is a start (finally--the terms are IDENTICAL to what Hamas agreed to in May, and thousands have died since) I wish we did more for Palestine, but I fear things will get worse for them under Trump. I never thought I would live to see an actual genocide, that this is something to read about only in history books. Don't we have safeguards for vulnerable populations? Palestinians are (as I know them) peaceful farmers, fishermen, skilled craftsmen, and the children are easy going, happy....the elderly very patient, wise.....But the label of "terrorist" has been so damaging to their entire existence now. In a few decades, I fear these people will have disappeared, and both the EU and the US , for so many reasons, will have allowed this to happen. I know these people, and they are very good people and villified....such is how anger and resentment works in the hearts of people.   These 4 years will go by quickly. So I will be grateful for the places I will visit.....Rocky Mountains (skiing), Smokey Mountains (Tenn), Key West, Everglades, Yellowstone, beautiful coastlines, beaches.....Montana skies......these places will still be there. So as things look so terrible (genocide, etc)....just be grateful for what you have. Don't engage politically with people who refuse to hear what you have to say. In politics, people get so angry, they cannot see anything positive in the other side. People need to kindle feelings of gratitude, to replace bitterness and anger. But they don't, so......

     

    an_clap   Only thing about the 4 years going by fast, just means that i will be 4 years closer to the ground,lolllll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MizuNoYoNiNaru:

    Biden made an excellent farewell speech. A speech likely noone on the right bothered to listen to.    Biden has a crystal clear understanding of American values (Liberty, democracy, checks and balances on power....). I think America needs to reflect these values before engaging in any kind of pompous, empty empire building. His warning about the dangers of AI and the increasing powers of high tech; this reminds of Eisenhower's warning about the mil ind complex in 1959. "The oligarchy in America is growing in power,.... and their use of AI threatens our values..."   .................................................     The only thing I can't get over too quickly (who can?) is genocide. Polls are clear that Kamala lost Biden 2020 voters over the situation in Gaza, esp in Michigan, but also younger democrats......This cease fire is a start (finally--the terms are IDENTICAL to what Hamas agreed to in May, and thousands have died since) I wish we did more for Palestine, but I fear things will get worse for them under Trump. I never thought I would live to see an actual genocide, that this is something to read about only in history books. Don't we have safeguards for vulnerable populations? Palestinians are (as I know them) peaceful farmers, fishermen, skilled craftsmen, and the children are easy going, happy....the elderly very patient, wise.....But the label of "terrorist" has been so damaging to their entire existence now. In a few decades, I fear these people will have disappeared, and both the EU and the US , for so many reasons, will have allowed this to happen. I know these people, and they are very good people and villified....such is how anger and resentment works in the hearts of people.   These 4 years will go by quickly. So I will be grateful for the places I will visit.....Rocky Mountains (skiing), Smokey Mountains (Tenn), Key West, Everglades, Yellowstone, beautiful coastlines, beaches.....Montana skies......these places will still be there. So as things look so terrible (genocide, etc)....just be grateful for what you have. Don't engage politically with people who refuse to hear what you have to say. In politics, people get so angry, they cannot see anything positive in the other side. People need to kindle feelings of gratitude, to replace bitterness and anger. But they don't, so......

     

    an_clap   Only thing about the 4 years going by fast, just means that i will be 4 years closer to the ground,lolllll.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2025 - 9:38 PM ET #35

    Now this is a laughable topic!

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    Now this is a laughable topic!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2025 - 9:17 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by MizuNoYoNiNaru:

    Don't engage politically with people who refuse to hear what you have to say....

    We don't peace_5..............and won't....they are vexatious to the spirit

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    Quote Originally Posted by MizuNoYoNiNaru:

    Don't engage politically with people who refuse to hear what you have to say....

    We don't peace_5..............and won't....they are vexatious to the spirit

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2025 - 8:13 AM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by MizuNoYoNiNaru: Don't engage politically with people who refuse to hear what you have to say.... We don't ..............and won't....they are vexatious to the spirit

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by MizuNoYoNiNaru: Don't engage politically with people who refuse to hear what you have to say.... We don't ..............and won't....they are vexatious to the spirit

     

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