We lost hundreds of thousands also thirdperson fighting in the Pacific and in the European theatre. Did you forget about that? We helped them. Not the other way around. Appeasement got the Allies nowhere. Ask Churchill. Screww the NATO countries that do not want to pay their 'fair share'. We do not owe them anything. Such a difficult concept for weak kneed liberals.
Yes, America helped in WWII but not by choice, It was only after the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor and Germany declaring war against the US 4 days later did the US get involved.
Gotta go pee!
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Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
We lost hundreds of thousands also thirdperson fighting in the Pacific and in the European theatre. Did you forget about that? We helped them. Not the other way around. Appeasement got the Allies nowhere. Ask Churchill. Screww the NATO countries that do not want to pay their 'fair share'. We do not owe them anything. Such a difficult concept for weak kneed liberals.
Yes, America helped in WWII but not by choice, It was only after the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor and Germany declaring war against the US 4 days later did the US get involved.
Screw England and their protesters. It doesn't matter what they think or say, their country is being overrun with immigrants and turning into a cesspool of places where crime is rapidly rising and their forcing people to accept this culture. Our country will begin insuring this does not happen here. So fly your balloons, make your comments, stomp your feet because this country is thinking of it's citizens first for a change. Your opinion matters very little. Bottom line is, this country is still the greatest country on the planet and eventually you'll just learn to deal with our decisions and that your opinion of how to run our country truly doesn't matter. PS, in case you forgot, we won our freedom from your silliness a long time ago, we have no need to appease you, and it was our soldiers who saved your country from annihilation during WW2 so you can enjoy what freedoms you currently have now until you become a country ruled by Sharia law, lol.
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Screw England and their protesters. It doesn't matter what they think or say, their country is being overrun with immigrants and turning into a cesspool of places where crime is rapidly rising and their forcing people to accept this culture. Our country will begin insuring this does not happen here. So fly your balloons, make your comments, stomp your feet because this country is thinking of it's citizens first for a change. Your opinion matters very little. Bottom line is, this country is still the greatest country on the planet and eventually you'll just learn to deal with our decisions and that your opinion of how to run our country truly doesn't matter. PS, in case you forgot, we won our freedom from your silliness a long time ago, we have no need to appease you, and it was our soldiers who saved your country from annihilation during WW2 so you can enjoy what freedoms you currently have now until you become a country ruled by Sharia law, lol.
Mike makes a strong point...all of the traditional European powerhouse countries are all now in big time trouble due to their immigration problems and not having the courage to say enough is enough in this political correctedness era we live in....in England for example, the majority of successful Jewish families, business people, entrepeneurs, etc...all saw what was coming and proactively left England for either Canada USA or Israel...same thing is currently happening in France...myself as a person, my instincts tell me in 50 years or so, Europe will be a future extention of the middle East given the nature of numbers today coming into Europe, and for my people, Europe will not be safe to live in freedom and peace...really sad state of affairs.
Victory Belongs to the Most Tenacious
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Mike makes a strong point...all of the traditional European powerhouse countries are all now in big time trouble due to their immigration problems and not having the courage to say enough is enough in this political correctedness era we live in....in England for example, the majority of successful Jewish families, business people, entrepeneurs, etc...all saw what was coming and proactively left England for either Canada USA or Israel...same thing is currently happening in France...myself as a person, my instincts tell me in 50 years or so, Europe will be a future extention of the middle East given the nature of numbers today coming into Europe, and for my people, Europe will not be safe to live in freedom and peace...really sad state of affairs.
Wrong to treat trustworthy allies for decades worser than corrupt enemies that cannot be trusted. Better to team up with allies in dealing with China instead of unilateral action. Also an abuse of power to use national security as bogus reason to impose tariffs that hurt allies more than enemies.
Reagan warns about disguided demagogues who advocate trade wars against allies. When US total trade increased, US jobs also increased overall. Trade is a economic alliance that benefits importer and exporter.
According to factcheck.org, Trump is wrong in claiming that US pays 90% of NATO. For direct operating costs, US pays 22% of total costs. Also he is wrong to allege that members owe money to US for non-payments. Actually, no IOUs from past years.
US seems to benefit more from NATO than other members. Usually the US start wars and NATO members are dragged into helping the US. Afghanistan invasion after september 11 is the first time members have come to aid of one member under attack.
Trump gets it backwards in claiming that other countries are robbing US as a piggy bank. In fact, US must borrow overseas to make payments on what it owes. Since US dollar is world's reserve currency, US enjoys cheap financing. So US is taking advantage of world as a piggy bank.
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Wrong to treat trustworthy allies for decades worser than corrupt enemies that cannot be trusted. Better to team up with allies in dealing with China instead of unilateral action. Also an abuse of power to use national security as bogus reason to impose tariffs that hurt allies more than enemies.
Reagan warns about disguided demagogues who advocate trade wars against allies. When US total trade increased, US jobs also increased overall. Trade is a economic alliance that benefits importer and exporter.
According to factcheck.org, Trump is wrong in claiming that US pays 90% of NATO. For direct operating costs, US pays 22% of total costs. Also he is wrong to allege that members owe money to US for non-payments. Actually, no IOUs from past years.
US seems to benefit more from NATO than other members. Usually the US start wars and NATO members are dragged into helping the US. Afghanistan invasion after september 11 is the first time members have come to aid of one member under attack.
Trump gets it backwards in claiming that other countries are robbing US as a piggy bank. In fact, US must borrow overseas to make payments on what it owes. Since US dollar is world's reserve currency, US enjoys cheap financing. So US is taking advantage of world as a piggy bank.
Trump is correct in asking NATO to fund at levels agreed upon by nato summits. Here is the reality member states meet two times a year and discuss defense and the ability for nations to pay for defense and security issues.
then everyone goes home and does not support the 2 percent gdp agreed upon at the summits and for decades England Germany France the United States and Canada covers the ones who do not contribute anything.... mostly the USA. We need to stop paying 5 times the rest of the world combined for international security concerns.
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Trump is correct in asking NATO to fund at levels agreed upon by nato summits. Here is the reality member states meet two times a year and discuss defense and the ability for nations to pay for defense and security issues.
then everyone goes home and does not support the 2 percent gdp agreed upon at the summits and for decades England Germany France the United States and Canada covers the ones who do not contribute anything.... mostly the USA. We need to stop paying 5 times the rest of the world combined for international security concerns.
NATO was adopted over the UN Security Council to stop Chinese and soviets aggression in promoting communism across the globe. The member states of NATO has the direct backing and alliance of all countries within the organization and account for 98percent of the defense spending in the free world. Israeli provides its own funding and where aligned to the USA other nations are not so much on their page of Jerusalem as the capital and its handling of the Palestinian up risings
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NATO was adopted over the UN Security Council to stop Chinese and soviets aggression in promoting communism across the globe. The member states of NATO has the direct backing and alliance of all countries within the organization and account for 98percent of the defense spending in the free world. Israeli provides its own funding and where aligned to the USA other nations are not so much on their page of Jerusalem as the capital and its handling of the Palestinian up risings
Where NATO and Russian interests intersect is with Daesh aka Isis. Both Russia and Europe as well as Iran despise the Sunni led terrorist organizations. This where it goes really twisted Iraq. Iraq’s government wars with Isis and supports the Kurds fighting Isis with Iran Turkey a NATO member has warred with the Kurds since ww2 and treats them as terrorists Israeli government is at war with both extremists groups Iranian backed or Saudi backed .
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Where NATO and Russian interests intersect is with Daesh aka Isis. Both Russia and Europe as well as Iran despise the Sunni led terrorist organizations. This where it goes really twisted Iraq. Iraq’s government wars with Isis and supports the Kurds fighting Isis with Iran Turkey a NATO member has warred with the Kurds since ww2 and treats them as terrorists Israeli government is at war with both extremists groups Iranian backed or Saudi backed .
Mike makes a strong point...all of the traditional European powerhouse countries are all now in big time trouble due to their immigration problems and not having the courage to say enough is enough in this political correctedness era we live in....in England for example, the majority of successful Jewish families, business people, entrepeneurs, etc...all saw what was coming and proactively left England for either Canada USA or Israel...same thing is currently happening in France...myself as a person, my instincts tell me in 50 years or so, Europe will be a future extention of the middle East given the nature of numbers today coming into Europe, and for my people, Europe will not be safe to live in freedom and peace...really sad state of affairs.
Are you a "person", Pack? Damn. And here I thought I liked you......just kidding, bro. I'm surprised you weren't more outspoken against some of the stuff Sabanesque used to say.
TIME TO BRING BACK THE OBAMA CAGES!
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Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:
Mike makes a strong point...all of the traditional European powerhouse countries are all now in big time trouble due to their immigration problems and not having the courage to say enough is enough in this political correctedness era we live in....in England for example, the majority of successful Jewish families, business people, entrepeneurs, etc...all saw what was coming and proactively left England for either Canada USA or Israel...same thing is currently happening in France...myself as a person, my instincts tell me in 50 years or so, Europe will be a future extention of the middle East given the nature of numbers today coming into Europe, and for my people, Europe will not be safe to live in freedom and peace...really sad state of affairs.
Are you a "person", Pack? Damn. And here I thought I liked you......just kidding, bro. I'm surprised you weren't more outspoken against some of the stuff Sabanesque used to say.
Are you a "person", Pack? Damn. And here I thought I liked you......just kidding, bro. I'm surprised you weren't more outspoken against some of the stuff Sabanesque used to say.
Nahh all the conservative tough guys in here clapped like seals when saban would get on his white power nazi rants....
Meanwhile i was boxed for calling a devil, a devil
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Are you a "person", Pack? Damn. And here I thought I liked you......just kidding, bro. I'm surprised you weren't more outspoken against some of the stuff Sabanesque used to say.
Nahh all the conservative tough guys in here clapped like seals when saban would get on his white power nazi rants....
Meanwhile i was boxed for calling a devil, a devil
Our relationships will be fine immediately after our allies write bigger checks for their defense. I have no issues with Trump forcing our allies to fairly contribute to their safety. Why is that concept so awful?
You are correct....! Also no more walking across the border and saying what's for dinner man !
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Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
Our relationships will be fine immediately after our allies write bigger checks for their defense. I have no issues with Trump forcing our allies to fairly contribute to their safety. Why is that concept so awful?
You are correct....! Also no more walking across the border and saying what's for dinner man !
Sounds like small ball this is misleading we spend nearly 70 percent of our taxes on defense. It’s a blank check. We have an aircraft carrier the uss Bush costs nearly a trillion with the stealth f35 and stealth destroyers that flank it. We have spent over spent on smart bombs drones cloaked carrier groups an entire brigade of eco skeleton suits.... can we slow down defense spending have our allies invest a bit as
well?
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Sounds like small ball this is misleading we spend nearly 70 percent of our taxes on defense. It’s a blank check. We have an aircraft carrier the uss Bush costs nearly a trillion with the stealth f35 and stealth destroyers that flank it. We have spent over spent on smart bombs drones cloaked carrier groups an entire brigade of eco skeleton suits.... can we slow down defense spending have our allies invest a bit as
Stu...i got to the saban party late...only learned about him a month before he got zapped...i got boxed once when talking to him and learned very quickly how to adapt when dealing with such pure evil like him...once i knew exactly what i was dealing with, he stood zero chance to survive past a few weeks....you are welcome for me removing that trash permanently.
Victory Belongs to the Most Tenacious
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Stu...i got to the saban party late...only learned about him a month before he got zapped...i got boxed once when talking to him and learned very quickly how to adapt when dealing with such pure evil like him...once i knew exactly what i was dealing with, he stood zero chance to survive past a few weeks....you are welcome for me removing that trash permanently.
Sounds like small ball this is misleading we spend nearly 70 percent of our taxes on defense. It’s a blank check. We have an aircraft carrier the uss Bush costs nearly a trillion with the stealth f35 and stealth destroyers that flank it. We have spent over spent on smart bombs drones cloaked carrier groups an entire brigade of eco skeleton suits.... can we slow down defense spending have our allies invest a bit as
well?
Who's "we" ?
One-sixth of the United States federal spending goes to national defense..more like 16.5% not 70%...If we spent 70% on defense we wouldn't be able to support all our social programs.
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Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:
Sounds like small ball this is misleading we spend nearly 70 percent of our taxes on defense. It’s a blank check. We have an aircraft carrier the uss Bush costs nearly a trillion with the stealth f35 and stealth destroyers that flank it. We have spent over spent on smart bombs drones cloaked carrier groups an entire brigade of eco skeleton suits.... can we slow down defense spending have our allies invest a bit as
well?
Who's "we" ?
One-sixth of the United States federal spending goes to national defense..more like 16.5% not 70%...If we spent 70% on defense we wouldn't be able to support all our social programs.
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