Problem is that he did say what Dogbite said. Trump said trade wars are good and easy to win. That cannot be denied. You are trying to make this a semantics issue rather than accepting the moron said what he said.
That is not correct.. the President did not say what DogBiteWilliams quoted him as saying... when you say you are quoting someone you do not have the liberty of omitting some of the words and then frame it in quotation marks ..By your own words you prove him wrong and make my point .. Trump said trade wars are good and easy to win. That is what the President said the other was clearly a misquote ...to say President Trump said... trade wars are easyto win ...no problem..However,,if you say those same words are a direct quote you are putting out fake information..
I rest my case.
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Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:
Problem is that he did say what Dogbite said. Trump said trade wars are good and easy to win. That cannot be denied. You are trying to make this a semantics issue rather than accepting the moron said what he said.
That is not correct.. the President did not say what DogBiteWilliams quoted him as saying... when you say you are quoting someone you do not have the liberty of omitting some of the words and then frame it in quotation marks ..By your own words you prove him wrong and make my point .. Trump said trade wars are good and easy to win. That is what the President said the other was clearly a misquote ...to say President Trump said... trade wars are easyto win ...no problem..However,,if you say those same words are a direct quote you are putting out fake information..
Oh my word SS, talk about being intentionally difficult. Why waste the time of people who want to read discussion by playing silly games like that. Yeah I am sure you are so deeply offended that a word or two were not perfect when the CONTEXT and MEANING are the same.
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Oh my word SS, talk about being intentionally difficult. Why waste the time of people who want to read discussion by playing silly games like that. Yeah I am sure you are so deeply offended that a word or two were not perfect when the CONTEXT and MEANING are the same.
WSCer's,I'm no more offended,that America's leader was misquoted than....it looks like.... some in this thread would be,,, if it were President Xi who was misquoted..
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WSCer's,I'm no more offended,that America's leader was misquoted than....it looks like.... some in this thread would be,,, if it were President Xi who was misquoted..
WSCer's,I'm no more offended,that America's leader was misquoted than....it looks like.... some in this thread would be,,, if it were President Xi who was misquoted..
That's total bullshit.
You think disagreeing & calling out the Liar In Chief is Un-American & it's far from that. It's Un-American not to point out this guy is 300 pounds of shit poured into a suit.
Trump being President is OFFENSIVE.
He has no plan to deal with China & every time he has a temper tantrum Americans suffer.
You got scammed by a con-man & don't have the cajones to admit it.
I rest my farking case!
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
WSCer's,I'm no more offended,that America's leader was misquoted than....it looks like.... some in this thread would be,,, if it were President Xi who was misquoted..
That's total bullshit.
You think disagreeing & calling out the Liar In Chief is Un-American & it's far from that. It's Un-American not to point out this guy is 300 pounds of shit poured into a suit.
Trump being President is OFFENSIVE.
He has no plan to deal with China & every time he has a temper tantrum Americans suffer.
You got scammed by a con-man & don't have the cajones to admit it.
Midnight1, how about we keep my private part out of this discussion..
President Trump is doing the right thing.
Those respectful and honorable Chinese steal between $225 billion and $600 billion annually of American IP.... Those numbers are in line with a 2017 report from the Commission on the Theft of American Intellectual Property.
To hell with those thieving basturds ."We don't need China "
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Midnight1, how about we keep my private part out of this discussion..
President Trump is doing the right thing.
Those respectful and honorable Chinese steal between $225 billion and $600 billion annually of American IP.... Those numbers are in line with a 2017 report from the Commission on the Theft of American Intellectual Property.
To hell with those thieving basturds ."We don't need China "
He has no plan & his economic advisors are worthless. What's his plan to prevent further theft? Is he waiting for President Xi to give him his word like Kim Jong Un?
But this will end, he will declare a victory and Americans will have not have gained a thing.
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He has no plan & his economic advisors are worthless. What's his plan to prevent further theft? Is he waiting for President Xi to give him his word like Kim Jong Un?
But this will end, he will declare a victory and Americans will have not have gained a thing.
SS, The problem is that Trump lacks class, respect and honor as a representative of this country. He might be making an effort in an area that needs effort but he lacks the ability to do so in a respectful and honorable way, he lacks this ability in pretty much anything he does.
Why are you so quick to let corps off the hook, corps benefit from our trade arrangement from China, even with regards to IP.
We allow things because parties who are paying the tab for politicians are benefiting from our arrangement. The US consumer has benefited, farmers have benefited there are many parties who have taken advantage of China, including Trump.
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SS, The problem is that Trump lacks class, respect and honor as a representative of this country. He might be making an effort in an area that needs effort but he lacks the ability to do so in a respectful and honorable way, he lacks this ability in pretty much anything he does.
Why are you so quick to let corps off the hook, corps benefit from our trade arrangement from China, even with regards to IP.
We allow things because parties who are paying the tab for politicians are benefiting from our arrangement. The US consumer has benefited, farmers have benefited there are many parties who have taken advantage of China, including Trump.
China indicated that it wouldn’t immediately retaliate against the latest U.S. tariff increase after “Tariff Man” slammed them with new tariffs last week..
In the past China has hit back against each previous tariff increase..
China’s economic slowdown deepens further in August on weak domestic conditions..and the mainland stock market is down, while a leading indicator of China’s exports continued to decline.
While the Dow and the broader US stock market rallied
sharply Thursday...........
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Olive branch ?
China indicated that it wouldn’t immediately retaliate against the latest U.S. tariff increase after “Tariff Man” slammed them with new tariffs last week..
In the past China has hit back against each previous tariff increase..
China’s economic slowdown deepens further in August on weak domestic conditions..and the mainland stock market is down, while a leading indicator of China’s exports continued to decline.
While the Dow and the broader US stock market rallied
sharply Thursday...........
Weak notion that US has been the victim of unfair trade practices. First, China is accused of manipulating currency to steal American jobs. But historical data shows China actually kept rates stable for decades. Secondly, China is accused of subsidizing industries but other countries do the same thing. Third, China is accused of restricting foreign investment. But US has the most stringent restrictions in the world, based on national security.
Fourth, China is accused of intellectual property theft through joint partnerships with foreign companies. This is a mutually beneficial relationship. American partners bring technology while Chinese companies provide cheap labor and manufacturing infrastructure. Now other countries learn technology from China which has become a top producer of intellectual properties. In 2018, China filed 1.4 million patents, more than double that of the US.
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Weak notion that US has been the victim of unfair trade practices. First, China is accused of manipulating currency to steal American jobs. But historical data shows China actually kept rates stable for decades. Secondly, China is accused of subsidizing industries but other countries do the same thing. Third, China is accused of restricting foreign investment. But US has the most stringent restrictions in the world, based on national security.
Fourth, China is accused of intellectual property theft through joint partnerships with foreign companies. This is a mutually beneficial relationship. American partners bring technology while Chinese companies provide cheap labor and manufacturing infrastructure. Now other countries learn technology from China which has become a top producer of intellectual properties. In 2018, China filed 1.4 million patents, more than double that of the US.
Weak notion that US has been the victim of unfair trade practices. First, China is accused of manipulating currency to steal American jobs. But historical data shows China actually kept rates stable for decades. Secondly, China is accused of subsidizing industries but other countries do the same thing. Third, China is accused of restricting foreign investment. But US has the most stringent restrictions in the world, based on national security.
Fourth, China is accused of intellectual property theft through joint partnerships with foreign companies. This is a mutually beneficial relationship. American partners bring technology while Chinese companies provide cheap labor and manufacturing infrastructure. Now other countries learn technology from China which has become a top producer of intellectual properties. In 2018, China filed 1.4 million patents, more than double that of the US.
Good to see you sticking up for China's trade practices against America..These honorable Chinese are sending massive amounts of fentanyl to America or countries (e.i.Mexico,Canada) that then transport it to this country... most of it originating from Shanghai China..This fentanyl kills 100,000 Americans a year.
President Trump has been very vocal about his commitment to stop the opioid crisis in America and is taking action on drug addition..
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Weak notion that US has been the victim of unfair trade practices. First, China is accused of manipulating currency to steal American jobs. But historical data shows China actually kept rates stable for decades. Secondly, China is accused of subsidizing industries but other countries do the same thing. Third, China is accused of restricting foreign investment. But US has the most stringent restrictions in the world, based on national security.
Fourth, China is accused of intellectual property theft through joint partnerships with foreign companies. This is a mutually beneficial relationship. American partners bring technology while Chinese companies provide cheap labor and manufacturing infrastructure. Now other countries learn technology from China which has become a top producer of intellectual properties. In 2018, China filed 1.4 million patents, more than double that of the US.
Good to see you sticking up for China's trade practices against America..These honorable Chinese are sending massive amounts of fentanyl to America or countries (e.i.Mexico,Canada) that then transport it to this country... most of it originating from Shanghai China..This fentanyl kills 100,000 Americans a year.
President Trump has been very vocal about his commitment to stop the opioid crisis in America and is taking action on drug addition..
Funny how Reps NEVER mention the printing of money. Or NEVER mention the $20t deficit. When Obama was in office that's all Reps ever talked about. Since Trump took office all I hear are crickets.Just withdrew $8K from my bank and got 80 $100 bills... IN NUMERICAL SEQUENCE.Fukk BOTH Reps and Dems. They are ALL lying hypocrites.
Deficits don't matter once Republicans obtain power
“Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter,” Vice President Dick Cheney said when the Bush administration sought a second round of tax cuts in 2003
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Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:
Funny how Reps NEVER mention the printing of money. Or NEVER mention the $20t deficit. When Obama was in office that's all Reps ever talked about. Since Trump took office all I hear are crickets.Just withdrew $8K from my bank and got 80 $100 bills... IN NUMERICAL SEQUENCE.Fukk BOTH Reps and Dems. They are ALL lying hypocrites.
Deficits don't matter once Republicans obtain power
“Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter,” Vice President Dick Cheney said when the Bush administration sought a second round of tax cuts in 2003
I know I discussed this topic in another thread years ago ; ironically not much has changed, but I do have to applaud Trump for confronting China (when no other U.S. president would) and pushing them to open up their markets like they were supposed to under the WTO.
So many will ask, why confront China in the first place ? It's because they entered the World Trade Organization (WTO) in the early 2000s, and have now FAILED to live up to their obligations as a member. Other countries "HOPED" that China would open up their markets once they joined, but that has been one big FAILURE. It is clear Communist China has no plans whatsoever to change their ways, and open up their markets to foreign companies. The CHEATERS (i.e. China) will continue with their stated sponsored subsidies of their own China companies, giving them an unfair advantage, and continue to restrict foreign companies to China markets unless they "pay up" and hand over their intellectual property. I remember calling this "Pay to Play" in that thread from a long time ago.
So, should Trump be attacked for confronting Cheaters ? No.
I see the limited "Phase 1" agreement being difficult for China to agree. The Cheaters constantly change the goal post and are now asking for existing tariffs to be eliminated in the Phase 1.
Credit to Trump for sticking to his guns. He's basically saying No reduction in existing tariffs unless they truly change their Cheating Ways (Phase 2 or Phase 3 agreement). No Phase 1 agreement ? Then, Dec. 15 tariffs go into effect . IMHO.
So who is getting played here ? I truly don't see Trump getting played as Wall has outlined. China's economy is in decline, and you have to credit the existing tariffs for giving them a few body blows.
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I know I discussed this topic in another thread years ago ; ironically not much has changed, but I do have to applaud Trump for confronting China (when no other U.S. president would) and pushing them to open up their markets like they were supposed to under the WTO.
So many will ask, why confront China in the first place ? It's because they entered the World Trade Organization (WTO) in the early 2000s, and have now FAILED to live up to their obligations as a member. Other countries "HOPED" that China would open up their markets once they joined, but that has been one big FAILURE. It is clear Communist China has no plans whatsoever to change their ways, and open up their markets to foreign companies. The CHEATERS (i.e. China) will continue with their stated sponsored subsidies of their own China companies, giving them an unfair advantage, and continue to restrict foreign companies to China markets unless they "pay up" and hand over their intellectual property. I remember calling this "Pay to Play" in that thread from a long time ago.
So, should Trump be attacked for confronting Cheaters ? No.
I see the limited "Phase 1" agreement being difficult for China to agree. The Cheaters constantly change the goal post and are now asking for existing tariffs to be eliminated in the Phase 1.
Credit to Trump for sticking to his guns. He's basically saying No reduction in existing tariffs unless they truly change their Cheating Ways (Phase 2 or Phase 3 agreement). No Phase 1 agreement ? Then, Dec. 15 tariffs go into effect . IMHO.
So who is getting played here ? I truly don't see Trump getting played as Wall has outlined. China's economy is in decline, and you have to credit the existing tariffs for giving them a few body blows.
I will say that Trump better be careful as the 2020 election is less than 1 year away. Additional tariffs will only hurt the world economy further, and potentially puts the U.S. economy in recession. This would be a disastrous outcome for anyone that believes low unemployment and GDP growth are good for the economy.
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I will say that Trump better be careful as the 2020 election is less than 1 year away. Additional tariffs will only hurt the world economy further, and potentially puts the U.S. economy in recession. This would be a disastrous outcome for anyone that believes low unemployment and GDP growth are good for the economy.
China has built its economy in part on research funded by taxpayers in the U.S., then siphoned across the Pacific Ocean by academics recruited by Beijing to act as double agents, stealing intellectual property from their American universities, a bipartisan Senate report revealed Monday.
The academics signed contracts that in some cases committed them to hiding their dual research status from their U.S. employers while giving China a first look at their work, the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs permanent subcommittee on investigations found.
Beijing’s interest in stealing U.S. military and economic secrets has long been known, but the federal government was slow to act, the report says.
“American taxpayers have been unwittingly funding the rise of China’s economy and military over the last two decades,” said Sen. Rob Portman, Ohio Republican and chairman of the investigative subcommittee, adding that “our own federal agencies have done little to stop their actions despite being aware of China’s talent plans.”
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In short, we can't trust the Chinese Communist Party as a trading partner. They steal our tecnologies. They steal our management practices. They flood our Mexican border with fentanyl. Decouple our cheap labor supply linkages NOW!
I agree 100%
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Quote Originally Posted by Circus_Bettor:
China has built its economy in part on research funded by taxpayers in the U.S., then siphoned across the Pacific Ocean by academics recruited by Beijing to act as double agents, stealing intellectual property from their American universities, a bipartisan Senate report revealed Monday.
The academics signed contracts that in some cases committed them to hiding their dual research status from their U.S. employers while giving China a first look at their work, the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs permanent subcommittee on investigations found.
Beijing’s interest in stealing U.S. military and economic secrets has long been known, but the federal government was slow to act, the report says.
“American taxpayers have been unwittingly funding the rise of China’s economy and military over the last two decades,” said Sen. Rob Portman, Ohio Republican and chairman of the investigative subcommittee, adding that “our own federal agencies have done little to stop their actions despite being aware of China’s talent plans.”
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In short, we can't trust the Chinese Communist Party as a trading partner. They steal our tecnologies. They steal our management practices. They flood our Mexican border with fentanyl. Decouple our cheap labor supply linkages NOW!
So, we are barely more than 2 weeks away from the Dec. 15th date for additional tariffs to be applied by the U.S. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Lots of economists and what not think a Phase 1 deal will be signed before the end of the year, but count me out as thinking that will happen. Trump will either kick the can down the road on the Dec. 15th deadline w/o any deal, or apply the tariffs if the rhetoric heats up... Side topic, the stock market is seriously overlooking the trade war and other data, and continuing to hit new highs on these deteriorating fundamentals. (i.e. GDP growth)
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So, we are barely more than 2 weeks away from the Dec. 15th date for additional tariffs to be applied by the U.S. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Lots of economists and what not think a Phase 1 deal will be signed before the end of the year, but count me out as thinking that will happen. Trump will either kick the can down the road on the Dec. 15th deadline w/o any deal, or apply the tariffs if the rhetoric heats up... Side topic, the stock market is seriously overlooking the trade war and other data, and continuing to hit new highs on these deteriorating fundamentals. (i.e. GDP growth)
U.S. stocks advanced to close at new all-time highs Tuesday, as
investors focused on U.S.-China trade talks and an upbeat assessment of
the economy....
Tuesday’s action marked the 10th record close of the month for all three major indexes.
Gross domestic product grew at a 2.1 percent annual rate for the third
quarter, the Commerce Department said yesterday in its second estimate
of economic growth. That is a substantial boost from the 1.9 percent in
the earlier estimate.
Jobless claims unexpectedly plunged in the week ended November 23,
indicating that the American labor market remains strong. Initial claims
for state unemployment benefits unexpectedely fell by 15,000 to 213,000...
U of M index of consumer sentiment climbed higher than expected to 96.8 from 95.5 last month...
Trumps Fault !!!
Impeach the MFer!...............
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U.S. stocks advanced to close at new all-time highs Tuesday, as
investors focused on U.S.-China trade talks and an upbeat assessment of
the economy....
Tuesday’s action marked the 10th record close of the month for all three major indexes.
Gross domestic product grew at a 2.1 percent annual rate for the third
quarter, the Commerce Department said yesterday in its second estimate
of economic growth. That is a substantial boost from the 1.9 percent in
the earlier estimate.
Jobless claims unexpectedly plunged in the week ended November 23,
indicating that the American labor market remains strong. Initial claims
for state unemployment benefits unexpectedely fell by 15,000 to 213,000...
U of M index of consumer sentiment climbed higher than expected to 96.8 from 95.5 last month...
U.S. stocks advanced to close at new all-time highs Tuesday, as
investors focused on U.S.-China trade talks and an upbeat assessment of
the economy....
Tuesday’s action marked the 10th record close of the month for all three major indexes.
Gross domestic product grew at a 2.1 percent annual rate for the third
quarter, the Commerce Department said yesterday in its second estimate
of economic growth. That is a substantial boost from the 1.9 percent in
the earlier estimate.
Jobless claims unexpectedly plunged in the week ended November 23,
indicating that the American labor market remains strong. Initial claims
for state unemployment benefits unexpectedely fell by 15,000 to 213,000...
U of M index of consumer sentiment climbed higher than expected to 96.8 from 95.5 last month...
Trumps Fault !!!
Impeach the MFer!...............
You left out that trump beat Obama in 2016.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
U.S. stocks advanced to close at new all-time highs Tuesday, as
investors focused on U.S.-China trade talks and an upbeat assessment of
the economy....
Tuesday’s action marked the 10th record close of the month for all three major indexes.
Gross domestic product grew at a 2.1 percent annual rate for the third
quarter, the Commerce Department said yesterday in its second estimate
of economic growth. That is a substantial boost from the 1.9 percent in
the earlier estimate.
Jobless claims unexpectedly plunged in the week ended November 23,
indicating that the American labor market remains strong. Initial claims
for state unemployment benefits unexpectedely fell by 15,000 to 213,000...
U of M index of consumer sentiment climbed higher than expected to 96.8 from 95.5 last month...
Despite the constant smears by the liberals in this forum and the unprecedented attacks by Democrat politicians President Trump’s
approval rating held at 46% today.
Despite the constant smears by the liberals in this forum and the unprecedented attacks by Democrat politicians President Trump’s
approval rating held at 46% today.
Chinese Communist Party (must be distinguished from "China" or "chinese people" who are overall good, decent people) is engaging in systematic genocide, a Holocaust of Muslims in their own country. They bully smaller nations and weaker people, engage in shuttering free speech, buy up beach fronts and industrial lands worldwide (mines, harbors are the main focus), aid the manufacturing of fentanyl and aid its smuggling across the US border with soon to be declared "terrorists" (drug lords). They steal technolgies, pirate them, extort business secrets..... De-couple NOW! This is NOT a trading parnter!
We really don't talk about the Chinese in this country. Aside from the massive debt of ours they own, the shear volume of U.S. real estate they have been buying is literally scary. Then, as you mentioned, the stealing of technology, the overall level of espionage in general... Like I said in one of brother Slim's threads, F*ck China. And, like Circ said, not the chinese people as a whole and in general.
TIME TO BRING BACK THE OBAMA CAGES!
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Quote Originally Posted by Circus_Bettor:
Chinese Communist Party (must be distinguished from "China" or "chinese people" who are overall good, decent people) is engaging in systematic genocide, a Holocaust of Muslims in their own country. They bully smaller nations and weaker people, engage in shuttering free speech, buy up beach fronts and industrial lands worldwide (mines, harbors are the main focus), aid the manufacturing of fentanyl and aid its smuggling across the US border with soon to be declared "terrorists" (drug lords). They steal technolgies, pirate them, extort business secrets..... De-couple NOW! This is NOT a trading parnter!
We really don't talk about the Chinese in this country. Aside from the massive debt of ours they own, the shear volume of U.S. real estate they have been buying is literally scary. Then, as you mentioned, the stealing of technology, the overall level of espionage in general... Like I said in one of brother Slim's threads, F*ck China. And, like Circ said, not the chinese people as a whole and in general.
We really don't talk about the Chinese in this country. Aside from the massive debt of ours they own, the shear volume of U.S. real estate they have been buying is literally scary. Then, as you mentioned, the stealing of technology, the overall level of espionage in general... Like I said in one of brother Slim's threads, F*ck China. And, like Circ said, not the chinese people as a whole and in general.
Sounds like the chinese practice true capitalism. No govt interference. Thought republicans and trumpers liked capitalism and the free market?
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
We really don't talk about the Chinese in this country. Aside from the massive debt of ours they own, the shear volume of U.S. real estate they have been buying is literally scary. Then, as you mentioned, the stealing of technology, the overall level of espionage in general... Like I said in one of brother Slim's threads, F*ck China. And, like Circ said, not the chinese people as a whole and in general.
Sounds like the chinese practice true capitalism. No govt interference. Thought republicans and trumpers liked capitalism and the free market?
Despite the constant smears by the liberals in this forum and the unprecedented attacks by Democrat politicians President Trump’s
approval rating held at 46% today.
Despite the constant smears by the liberals in this forum and the unprecedented attacks by Democrat politicians President Trump’s
approval rating held at 46% today.
Chinese are very nice when they stay in China ! They will be a partisapatetnt in ww 3 “ It will be a beautiful war “ l A perfect war “. And then we will have a parade.
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Chinese are very nice when they stay in China ! They will be a partisapatetnt in ww 3 “ It will be a beautiful war “ l A perfect war “. And then we will have a parade.
Sounds like the chinese practice true capitalism. No govt interference. Thought republicans and trumpers liked capitalism and the free market?
That's pretty comical stuff right there.. Chinese practice true capitalism and no govt. interference ? Hell, you know they're a communist country right ? Even the Communist party admits they don't fully engage in true capitalism (i.e. free markets). They call it "Capitalism with Chinese Characteristics"
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
Sounds like the chinese practice true capitalism. No govt interference. Thought republicans and trumpers liked capitalism and the free market?
That's pretty comical stuff right there.. Chinese practice true capitalism and no govt. interference ? Hell, you know they're a communist country right ? Even the Communist party admits they don't fully engage in true capitalism (i.e. free markets). They call it "Capitalism with Chinese Characteristics"
There's people from China and then there's Hong Kongers.....
....Well said 'Slim. Quite a difference between the Chinese people that are fed the propaganda B.S. from state media TV and newspapers,...and the Hong Kongers that enjoy a connection to the free world.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
There's people from China and then there's Hong Kongers.....
....Well said 'Slim. Quite a difference between the Chinese people that are fed the propaganda B.S. from state media TV and newspapers,...and the Hong Kongers that enjoy a connection to the free world.
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