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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 8:45 PM ET #26

    Actually Mich has a Republican governor and the state is currently operating at a surplus. Any other questions?
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    Actually Mich has a Republican governor and the state is currently operating at a surplus. Any other questions?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 8:48 PM ET #27

    Detroit did pretty well when Mitt Romney's dad was in charge, huh?
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    Detroit did pretty well when Mitt Romney's dad was in charge, huh?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 8:49 PM ET #28

    Barack Obama ?@BarackObama 17 Oct

    President Obama: "When Gov. Romney said we should just let Detroit go bankrupt, we said thanks but no thanks."


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    President Obama: "When Gov. Romney said we should just let Detroit go bankrupt, we said thanks but no thanks."


     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 8:50 PM ET #29

    How can America compete with a foreign opponent.

    When Honda,has built a high performance ride-on lawn mower capable of reaching speeds up to 130 mph.

    And, yes, it can still cut the grass.

    The so-called Mean Mower started out as a production Honda HF2620 Lawn Tractor before the team replaced its stock 20 hp motor with the 109 hp 1,000 cc V-twin from a Honda VTR1000 Firestorm sport bike along with its six-speed transmission and reengineered the suspension to handle a set of ATV wheels and tires.

    We need more inventors....

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    How can America compete with a foreign opponent.

    When Honda,has built a high performance ride-on lawn mower capable of reaching speeds up to 130 mph.

    And, yes, it can still cut the grass.

    The so-called Mean Mower started out as a production Honda HF2620 Lawn Tractor before the team replaced its stock 20 hp motor with the 109 hp 1,000 cc V-twin from a Honda VTR1000 Firestorm sport bike along with its six-speed transmission and reengineered the suspension to handle a set of ATV wheels and tires.

    We need more inventors....

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 9:11 PM ET #30

    Blue model defenders will point to the cruel exodus of General Motors, the unjust outsourcing of American manufacturing, and the general unfairness of life in the big city as the culprits in the slaying of Detroit. But these champions of the marginalized should keep a few facts in mind.

    Detroit has been spending on average $100 million more than it has taken in for each of the past five years. The city’s $11 billion in unsecured debt includes $6 billion in health and other retirement benefits and $3 billion in retiree pensions for its 20,000 city pensioners, who are slated to receive less than 10 percent of what they were promised. Between 2007 and 2011, an astounding 36 percent of residents lived below the poverty line. Last year, the FBI cited Detroit as having the highest violent crime rate for any major American city. In the first 12 years of the new century, Detroit lost more than 26 percent of its population.

    And now Detroit’s desperate request for a bailout has been turned down by the Obama White House.

    Progressive politicians, wonks, and activists can only blame big corporations and other liberal bogeymen for so long. The truth is that corrupt machine politics in a one-party system devoted to the blue social model wrecked an entire city and thousands of lives beyond repair. 

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    Blue model defenders will point to the cruel exodus of General Motors, the unjust outsourcing of American manufacturing, and the general unfairness of life in the big city as the culprits in the slaying of Detroit. But these champions of the marginalized should keep a few facts in mind.

    Detroit has been spending on average $100 million more than it has taken in for each of the past five years. The city’s $11 billion in unsecured debt includes $6 billion in health and other retirement benefits and $3 billion in retiree pensions for its 20,000 city pensioners, who are slated to receive less than 10 percent of what they were promised. Between 2007 and 2011, an astounding 36 percent of residents lived below the poverty line. Last year, the FBI cited Detroit as having the highest violent crime rate for any major American city. In the first 12 years of the new century, Detroit lost more than 26 percent of its population.

    And now Detroit’s desperate request for a bailout has been turned down by the Obama White House.

    Progressive politicians, wonks, and activists can only blame big corporations and other liberal bogeymen for so long. The truth is that corrupt machine politics in a one-party system devoted to the blue social model wrecked an entire city and thousands of lives beyond repair. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 9:38 PM ET #31

    14,

    The problem of not properly funding pensions isnt a repub/dem issue, it is putting off the future because of current pain.

    Its the same reason SS is in trouble, why the FDIC wasnt properly funded, why FHA PMI rates went through the roof, why Medicare is in trouble..

    We as a society do not like to pay now for the future..we underestimate future costs so we have to pay less now.

    The problem with pension funding and healthcare funding is for sure not party related. We miscalculated future rise in health cost, and I dont think it is by mistake.

    Who wants to pay more now for something in the future? Not too many people..not enough people anyway.
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    14,

    The problem of not properly funding pensions isnt a repub/dem issue, it is putting off the future because of current pain.

    Its the same reason SS is in trouble, why the FDIC wasnt properly funded, why FHA PMI rates went through the roof, why Medicare is in trouble..

    We as a society do not like to pay now for the future..we underestimate future costs so we have to pay less now.

    The problem with pension funding and healthcare funding is for sure not party related. We miscalculated future rise in health cost, and I dont think it is by mistake.

    Who wants to pay more now for something in the future? Not too many people..not enough people anyway.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 10:42 PM ET #32

    In October of 2012, President Barack Obama triumphantly declared :

    “We refused to throw in the towel and do nothing. We refused to let Detroit go bankrupt. We bet on American workers and American ingenuity, and three years later, that bet is paying off in a big way,”

    On July 18, 2013, Detroit went bankrupt,,


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    In October of 2012, President Barack Obama triumphantly declared :

    “We refused to throw in the towel and do nothing. We refused to let Detroit go bankrupt. We bet on American workers and American ingenuity, and three years later, that bet is paying off in a big way,”

    On July 18, 2013, Detroit went bankrupt,,


     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 10:58 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Thats not accurate either..

    The US automakers were producing an inferior product (still do IMO) and they were beaten by a superior foreign opponent. 

    It isnt about what party someone belongs to, the city was built on the back of the auto industry, when it left and there was nothing to replace it, down went the city.

    I dont get this party garbage..nothing about this has to do with party.

    Tax base decline, that is the issue..that and how could the city rebuild after all those disgusting auto plants were left as they were?

    This is true....

    I don't agree with WSC about much-

    I think he may not like me...

     

    But he is spot on here.....

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    Thats not accurate either..

    The US automakers were producing an inferior product (still do IMO) and they were beaten by a superior foreign opponent. 

    It isnt about what party someone belongs to, the city was built on the back of the auto industry, when it left and there was nothing to replace it, down went the city.

    I dont get this party garbage..nothing about this has to do with party.

    Tax base decline, that is the issue..that and how could the city rebuild after all those disgusting auto plants were left as they were?

    This is true....

    I don't agree with WSC about much-

    I think he may not like me...

     

    But he is spot on here.....

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 18, 2013 - 11:00 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:

    This is true....

    I don't agree with WSC about much-

    I think he may not like me...

     

    But he is spot on here.....

     

    The tax base decline is the biggest issue-

    What will replace the automakers?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:

    This is true....

    I don't agree with WSC about much-

    I think he may not like me...

     

    But he is spot on here.....

     

    The tax base decline is the biggest issue-

    What will replace the automakers?

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2013 - 12:28 AM ET #35

    The down turn in the Big 3 played a big part in what finally happened to Detriot, but the ruin of the City of Detroit started after the 1967 riots. .and the continued with the white flight to the suburbs... in 1973 Detroit elected it's black Mayor ..perhaps the most corrupt mayor in America, outside of Richard Daley in Chicago,the exodus continued ..leaving empty houses and lost revenues ..

    Then in the late 70's oil prices skyrocketed, the Mideast Oil Crisis hit in...and the major Detroit car manufacturers were caught making the large 400 series gas guzzling engines...while small foreign made cars with much better gas millage were already on the market . The Big three gave up hugh market share and never fully gain it back ...

     The people of the City of Detroit were to find out that African-American poverty was not alleviated by African-American leadership.. with a string of black Democratic mayors who's policies were designed to loot the city’s treasury..Kwame Kilpatrick is another fine example..

    Yes, the Automotive manufacturers play a role,but the real ruin of the City of Detroit was due to mismanagement, incompetence and corruption by the people they elected and kept electing..
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    The down turn in the Big 3 played a big part in what finally happened to Detriot, but the ruin of the City of Detroit started after the 1967 riots. .and the continued with the white flight to the suburbs... in 1973 Detroit elected it's black Mayor ..perhaps the most corrupt mayor in America, outside of Richard Daley in Chicago,the exodus continued ..leaving empty houses and lost revenues ..

    Then in the late 70's oil prices skyrocketed, the Mideast Oil Crisis hit in...and the major Detroit car manufacturers were caught making the large 400 series gas guzzling engines...while small foreign made cars with much better gas millage were already on the market . The Big three gave up hugh market share and never fully gain it back ...

     The people of the City of Detroit were to find out that African-American poverty was not alleviated by African-American leadership.. with a string of black Democratic mayors who's policies were designed to loot the city’s treasury..Kwame Kilpatrick is another fine example..

    Yes, the Automotive manufacturers play a role,but the real ruin of the City of Detroit was due to mismanagement, incompetence and corruption by the people they elected and kept electing..
     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2013 - 5:52 AM ET #36

    What makes me want to puke is that most of you seem to be joyful that Detroit is bankrupt ? An American City ! Your City too ! And then blame black people, as if no other city became a ghost town throughout our history !

    Yes, maybe the auto industry built too many big gas guzzlers in the 1960-1980s. But remember this you foreign lovers, they built the tanks that saved your As from speaking German, Japanese.

    Then during the gulf wars when they tried to recover and began offering 100,000 mile warranty on their vehicles, did you step-up and buy to help save them, like we did by buying war bonds in the 1940s ? NOOOOO ! You laughed at them and bought the same German, Japanese, Korean vehicles. Now you think you're a proud American ! 

    All you foreigners can kiss my As

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    What makes me want to puke is that most of you seem to be joyful that Detroit is bankrupt ? An American City ! Your City too ! And then blame black people, as if no other city became a ghost town throughout our history !

    Yes, maybe the auto industry built too many big gas guzzlers in the 1960-1980s. But remember this you foreign lovers, they built the tanks that saved your As from speaking German, Japanese.

    Then during the gulf wars when they tried to recover and began offering 100,000 mile warranty on their vehicles, did you step-up and buy to help save them, like we did by buying war bonds in the 1940s ? NOOOOO ! You laughed at them and bought the same German, Japanese, Korean vehicles. Now you think you're a proud American ! 

    All you foreigners can kiss my As

     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2013 - 7:54 AM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    14,

    The problem of not properly funding pensions isnt a repub/dem issue, it is putting off the future because of current pain.



    Democrats, nobody else, made these decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    14,

    The problem of not properly funding pensions isnt a repub/dem issue, it is putting off the future because of current pain.



    Democrats, nobody else, made these decisions.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2013 - 7:55 AM ET #38

    Thought of the day, ObamaCare = Detroit.
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2013 - 8:18 AM ET #39

    Detroit and the auto companies are ringing endorsements of How not to run a city or a company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:

    The tax base decline is the biggest issue-

    What will replace the automakers?

     

    Cobwebs.

    This has happened before and will again. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:

    The tax base decline is the biggest issue-

    What will replace the automakers?

     

    Cobwebs.

    This has happened before and will again. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2013 - 11:47 AM ET #41

    Don juan,

    No joy in the fact that Detroit has filed for Chapter 9 protection ,but after 50 years Democrat control it's time for a little tough love for the City of Detroit..
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    No joy in the fact that Detroit has filed for Chapter 9 protection ,but after 50 years Democrat control it's time for a little tough love for the City of Detroit..
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

    What makes me want to puke is that most of you seem to be joyful that Detroit is bankrupt ? An American City ! Your City too ! And then blame black people, as if no other city became a ghost town throughout our history !

    Yes, maybe the auto industry built too many big gas guzzlers in the 1960-1980s. But remember this you foreign lovers, they built the tanks that saved your As from speaking German, Japanese.

    Then during the gulf wars when they tried to recover and began offering 100,000 mile warranty on their vehicles, did you step-up and buy to help save them, like we did by buying war bonds in the 1940s ? NOOOOO ! You laughed at them and bought the same German, Japanese, Korean vehicles. Now you think you're a proud American ! 

    All you foreigners can kiss my As

    Don, why is that great American car company, GM, building a new  $1.3 Billion plant in China instead of Detroit? Shouldn't they be helping the American economy and workers instead of moving good paying jobs offshore? Or are they just another greedy corporation trying to cut costs and maximize profits at the expense of the American worker?

     

    Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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    What makes me want to puke is that most of you seem to be joyful that Detroit is bankrupt ? An American City ! Your City too ! And then blame black people, as if no other city became a ghost town throughout our history !

    Yes, maybe the auto industry built too many big gas guzzlers in the 1960-1980s. But remember this you foreign lovers, they built the tanks that saved your As from speaking German, Japanese.

    Then during the gulf wars when they tried to recover and began offering 100,000 mile warranty on their vehicles, did you step-up and buy to help save them, like we did by buying war bonds in the 1940s ? NOOOOO ! You laughed at them and bought the same German, Japanese, Korean vehicles. Now you think you're a proud American ! 

    All you foreigners can kiss my As

    Don, why is that great American car company, GM, building a new  $1.3 Billion plant in China instead of Detroit? Shouldn't they be helping the American economy and workers instead of moving good paying jobs offshore? Or are they just another greedy corporation trying to cut costs and maximize profits at the expense of the American worker?

     

     
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    Don juan, Obama's administration still owns over 210 million shares of Obama Motors ..you would think that is enough shares to stop GM/OM form expanding operations in China ..if they wanted to...

    Just last year GM Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Daniel F. Akerson said 7 out of 10 of GM's vehicles are made outside the United States...are thes the "foreign lovers"and "proud Americans" you are referring to ?
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    Don juan, Obama's administration still owns over 210 million shares of Obama Motors ..you would think that is enough shares to stop GM/OM form expanding operations in China ..if they wanted to...

    Just last year GM Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Daniel F. Akerson said 7 out of 10 of GM's vehicles are made outside the United States...are thes the "foreign lovers"and "proud Americans" you are referring to ?
     
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    Don juan ,

    The Obama administration still owns over 210 million shares of GM /Obama Motors..you would think, if they did want GM/OM to expand operations in China they would have a say and stop it ..now wouldn't you ?

    In fact,, just last year Daniel F. Akerson, the chairman and chief executive officer of General Motors/Obama Motors noted that "seven out of 10 of our vehicles were made outside the United States”..

    70%

    Now are these the " foreign lovers" and "proud Americans" you are referring to?
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    Don juan ,

    The Obama administration still owns over 210 million shares of GM /Obama Motors..you would think, if they did want GM/OM to expand operations in China they would have a say and stop it ..now wouldn't you ?

    In fact,, just last year Daniel F. Akerson, the chairman and chief executive officer of General Motors/Obama Motors noted that "seven out of 10 of our vehicles were made outside the United States”..

    70%

    Now are these the " foreign lovers" and "proud Americans" you are referring to?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2013 - 3:07 PM ET #45

    There are 76,000 buildings in Detroit slated to be demolished.

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    There are 76,000 buildings in Detroit slated to be demolished.

     
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    and the taxpayer takes it in the behind once again...shocking i must say
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    and the taxpayer takes it in the behind once again...shocking i must say
     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2013 - 3:32 PM ET #47

    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    There are 76,000 buildings in Detroit slated to be demolished.


    So 76,000 democratic offices? I find that hard to believe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:

    There are 76,000 buildings in Detroit slated to be demolished.


    So 76,000 democratic offices? I find that hard to believe.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    Don, why is that great American car company, GM, building a new  $1.3 Billion plant in China instead of Detroit? Shouldn't they be helping the American economy and workers instead of moving good paying jobs offshore? Or are they just another greedy corporation trying to cut costs and maximize profits at the expense of the American worker?

     

    Dannyboy, How old are you ? 18?

    GM was paying a decent wage. If they build in China, they can pay whatever. It's not like they closed up shop in the US. they are still here. They are not like Walmart, ripping the employees off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    Don, why is that great American car company, GM, building a new  $1.3 Billion plant in China instead of Detroit? Shouldn't they be helping the American economy and workers instead of moving good paying jobs offshore? Or are they just another greedy corporation trying to cut costs and maximize profits at the expense of the American worker?

     

    Dannyboy, How old are you ? 18?

    GM was paying a decent wage. If they build in China, they can pay whatever. It's not like they closed up shop in the US. they are still here. They are not like Walmart, ripping the employees off.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

    Dannyboy, How old are you ? 18?

    GM was paying a decent wage. If they build in China, they can pay whatever. It's not like they closed up shop in the US. they are still here. They are not like Walmart, ripping the employees off.

    I'm 49 thanks for asking. You didn't answer any of my questions. Yes they are still here that's not the point. Would you not agree that it would have been better for the US economy and US workers if GM would have built the plant in Detroit rather than out of the country?

    Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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    Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

    Dannyboy, How old are you ? 18?

    GM was paying a decent wage. If they build in China, they can pay whatever. It's not like they closed up shop in the US. they are still here. They are not like Walmart, ripping the employees off.

    I'm 49 thanks for asking. You didn't answer any of my questions. Yes they are still here that's not the point. Would you not agree that it would have been better for the US economy and US workers if GM would have built the plant in Detroit rather than out of the country?

     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 19, 2013 - 4:02 PM ET #50

    There are more than 80,000 abandoned houses,factories and businesses in Detroit so only 76,000 of those democrat building structures are slated for demolition. The City of Detroit averages about 14 arsons a day..  so the rest will be left for the residents to burn down ..


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    There are more than 80,000 abandoned houses,factories and businesses in Detroit so only 76,000 of those democrat building structures are slated for demolition. The City of Detroit averages about 14 arsons a day..  so the rest will be left for the residents to burn down ..


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