Eisenhower Nailed It

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/united-technologies-donald-trump-carrier-pentagon-defense-department-indianapolis-mexico-nepotism-a8226886.html

So, big daddy don "saved" 700 jobs at Carrier a year ago and all his little azz kissers from Pence on down acted like he had just saved the American economy, right? Fast forward a year. Over 600 of the jobs "saved" are gone anyway and there is no optimism they are coming back. To Indiana, Mexico or anywhere else.

big daddy don got his media boost and lipprints on his rear as intended, and now it is "payback" time, at the expense of the American taxpayer, of course. Eisenhower warned your grandfather about the growing (like a cancer) military-industrial complex and three generations since then have slid right into it.

The only people proud of this sh/t are G.W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Halliburton. "Birds of a feather" you know.

Warren Buffett is not "that kind of guy", but I doubt he will be ashamed of the $29 Billion in tax savings at Berkshire Hathaway this year. Oh yeah, big daddy don can bankrupt the future, and arrange a few little panaceas for the peasants, but when it comes to real big time money he knows how to redirect it where he wants it. All the corporate bonuses to date are not a pimple on an elephants arse compared to the redirection of wealth to the top 1%. You folks are settling for a slice of moldy bread, while he takes the wealthiest out for lobster and filet mignon. 

Now, get busy and figure out how this is all Obama's or Hillary's fault. There must be a way to rationalize it. There is everything else.

FOR THE RECORD: I am an independent that voted for Trump. Don't try to pin a "liberal" or "Democrat" or "Hillary fan" tag on me. Just wake up and smell the coffee. If you got what you bargained for you made a bad deal. I know I did.  

Agreed completely..

Funny how there were MANY on here back slapping Trump and each other for that Carrier sham and this disgusting tax racket and yet no peep after the sham erupted and the fact that these corporate freebies WILL be repaid and the pain WILL come.

You know I would rather that some of these clowns come in and try to convince me that the concept of corporate freebies equates to benefit for all of society, just even TRY to fake that the little guy WILL benefit for more than some joke of a 1k bonus or some fake "job expansion" of low paying no benefit jobs...something to show that they really think it benefits more than the elite...but it never happens. All we see from the Trump group here is cut and paste throw up from what some company did for their employees when the ratio of benefit received to payout is minimal or just complete abandonment of reality in the case of Carrier.

Trump is a schiester and has been for decades, he plays people and outright lies to get attention and short term approval, its right in front of our faces...his track record and abusive behavior is public knowledge yet there are STILL people who support him.

I will eat stale bread for the next 7 years and like it. Did I miss Armageddon? Is it unpatriotic for me to keep more of my money each pay period? That's what I thought.

Focus please..

Are the choices Trump and his pals are making budget positive or not? Are we running a surplus to a point that we can afford to make decisions that will impact our finances like giving corporate freebies, expand the military etc?

The answer is these are budget negative, they will increase the deficit and cause a reduction in programs that Trump deems less important...and that looks like social programs from what we see thus far. It for sure isnt the military and I dont see any increase in corporate taxes, so that leaves the bulk of the cuts (if any that come) will be from the lower income benefit category.

If you dont like the taxation we have you can find ways to either lower your taxes or plan to maximize what options there are, or try and find an alternative place to reside with less taxation. Asking for less taxes when the cuts will come with more debt and more strain on the lesser makes no sense and smells like what I said in the other thread...about how if it is YOUR steak and YOU do not have to pay, YOU dont really give a crap about how the bill will be paid or who has to pay it.

Well sundance, depending on your age, you, your kids, and your grand kids are going to pay one heck of a price for 7 loaves of stale bread. It is just amazing how people can fall for "benefits" now and disregard the debt coming due later. I am almost 73 and have very little time left, but I feel sad for those much younger that can't read the writing on the wall. Fact is, I feel a lot more empathy for you than big daddy don.

 be with you. 

 None of the jobs saved are going away ...Carrier said that 1100 workers will remain at the factory, upholding its deal with Mr Trump.

They include 730 manufacturing jobs and about 300 engineering and administrative positions.............

None of the jobs President Trump "saved" are not going anyway..

United Technologies CEO Greg Hayes said in an interview on CNBC that the $16 million the company planned to invest in the Carrier plant would be spent on automation to make it more efficient.

As an aside... Carrier's corporate parent United Technologies (UTX) expects to add 5,000 new U.S. jobs over the next three years.............MAGA..

Don't bother with Slim, he doesn't get it anyway. And I would certainly hope UT can add 5,000 jobs, considering they got a $2.74 BILLION NO BID CONTRACT. Most of the big daddy don fans are unreachable. Just hopeless.

I don't need any empathy key. I am prepared. I don't have a normalcy bias like the majority of Americans. I will never ask our government for anything. I have no expectation at all of the government helping me out in case of financial collapse. The US had 10T in deficit spending during the previous President's 8 years of hope and change

 During that period of time I did not receive 1 crumb from the Dems. We continue to have deficit spending under Trump and Ryan. The difference now is I have more disposable income to take care of my family.

 In my opinion that is a huge difference.

 

Oh my word this is lunacy but it explains plenty...you really lack the understanding of economics and finance to say comments like this. I will give you an example of how backward this thinking is and how backward the entire concept Trump is forwarding is.

So you are concerned about your disposable income and how it is increasing, well I have a few suggestions of how you can improve this...and you will see why my suggestions are lame and WHY the Trump economics are toxic for the same reasons..

Idea 1- If you want more disposable income you can reduce the ammt you are contributing to a 401k and IRA...that would net you are nice bump in disposable income...

Idea 2- If you want more disposable income you can change your current mortgage to a 50 year instead of a 30 year and that would give you a nice bump in disposable income

Idea 3- You can identify areas in your local city that have lower taxes and lower home prices, move there and save on taxes and mortgage payments

Idea 4- You can shut off the AC in the summer and the heat in the winter and increase your disposable income

Idea 5- You can change your car insurance to a state required min and cut out the full coverage, that will give you more disposable income

Idea 6- Eat only one meal a day and save on food expenses, that will give you more disposable income

 

Of course the ideas 4-6 are just grossly making the overall point, but the others are an EXACT match to the approach Trump has and why his economic plan is toxic, it is a massive mistake. You cannot push forward consumption at the cost of long term savings...and that is what his plan is doing. We get to put a few bucks in our pockets now and that bill will come 10 yrs down the road or more (because the bond market is already sniffing out this mess and bond yields are bumping up now which means higher yields, higher debt payments, more deficits and less for programs of all kinds).

So instead of concerning yourself about a bump in disposable income like this, think more of the cost of this bump and the damage it is inflicting on YOU and of course not that you care, but OTHERS...

Sure bring us up to speed on the inside stuff....like ...whether or not Carrier is going to lay-off those 1100 employees, that Carrier said last month ...would remain at the factory...

..and is the OP correct when he said " the jobs "saved" are gone anyway"?

I never said I was 'concerned' about my disposable income.  I have a grand total pf $269 in debt. My point is as the United States continues to utilize deficit spending under Trump at least he is trying something different and I get to have more 'take home' pay each pay period. The Macro benefit could very possibly be very positive for the Umited States. I think we are only 1 month into the tax bill. I would argue that it is way to early to predict a calamitous, economic outcome. The unemployment numbers are at record lows or near record lows across all ethnic groups. Again. Did I sleep through Armageddon? My last question is: Is it unpatriotic for me to accept the 'crumbs' given to me every 2 weeks?

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you

There you are, by your own words, on your knees worshiping a guy that has been asleep for 20 years.

You must also be prepared to tell your children and grandchildren (if you are that lucky), that from the time you reach 61 years of age everything you have to say or opine must be considered less and less relevant as the years pass.

Be sure to remind them often that your education and life experience loses value exponentially every year; If they continue to pay attention to what you have to say. They are to take everything you have to say with a grain of salt. Maybe you can suggest an age at which they should just shuffle you off to a nursing home and ignore you completely.

I would also like to congratulate you on joining the all time classic idiocy post club. Maybe you were too elated or depressed over the hockey game, or too heavily influenced by the booze involved, but you may not have stumbled into such a deeps pile of sh/t if you had just sobered up or experienced a moment of rational thought before posting.

There is a reason for the saying “Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”, and you are the perfect textbook example. The knowledge and life experience of those over 60 is meaningless, right? God help you, sane man is unable. But then again; since God is well over 60 His opinion must also be worthless.

By the way, your hero Nick Saban is now 66. Either U of A should fire him, or his players be warned not to listen to him anymore as he has passed the “cutoff age” of knowledge and wisdom.

Have a nice day 

Great responses. Again, Thank You.

The first is a typical forum one liner that is just resentment and anger.

The second and third are nothing but your opinion of the revisionist history you have studied and bought into.

And, of course, you have chosen to totally ignore the question of why those over 60 have been asleep for 20 years, much less the attitude that your descendants are to stop paying any attention to you at 61.

You probably blame Eisenhower’s defense spending on defense budgets of his era. True, they did go up significantly. Now, genius, give me the alternative. The Russian’s had stolen our atomic bomb secrets and building at a prodigious rate. They also were LEADING in rocketry and lift potential of inter-continental ballistic missiles. They were on the border of and threating Berlin and West Germany.

That was THREAT, nitwit, and there was a lot of catching up to do. It was during the catch-up phase that Ike learned the extent of the growing military-industrial complex. He had no choice but to make the point at the end of his tenure.

That condition (behind and threatened) no longer exists as the U.S.A. now spends as much as the next 6 military powers combined and is far ahead in literally everything. BUT: that has not mattered at all to the military-industrial complex. They ALWAYS contend we are slipping and ALWAYS come back for more.

And, it always Republicans like Nixon, Reagan, Bush II, and Trump that are willing to open the national treasury as far as the Pentagon wants it open. You have to wonder how much these guys invest in defense stocks as soon as they realize they have won and have a right-wing congress on hand.

Don’t tell me you know your history. You have not lived it and probably were educated (yuk) in the modern revisionist way. People looking back 30, 40, 50 years and deciding what others should have done, with the intelligence available AT THAT TIME is bool-sheet.   

Now, please return to the question of at what time should the world start ignoring you? 

It's true ,,Eisenhower was someone who was looking out for the  military expense to the American taxpayer back then.... if you can call it that ...

Although,,Big Daddy Dwight was very much like Big Daddy Don in regards to using Americas military power..

Last week President Trump did not rule out a nuclear attack against North Korea Friday, vowing to take it to "phase two" if the most recent round of sanctions prove ineffective....

Back in 1953...... President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Administration did not rule out the use of atomic bombs in North Korea and Communist China, if necessary, to end the Korean War...

Even after the armistice was achieved,,Eisenhower and his Administration continued to define plans to use nuclear weapons if the Communists renewed the war...

 President Eisenhower said he .."thought it might be cheaper, dollar-wise, to use atomic weapons in Korea than to continue to use conventional weapons against the dugouts which honeycombed the hills along which the enemy forces were presently deployed.''

Big Daddy Dwight always looking out for the military expenses to the American taxpayer....thinking that nuking them would be cheaper...

After everything is said and done. I will leave this thread accepting the extra 'crumbs' from the powerful 535 in DC. I will not be 'shamed' into  mailing the extra 'crumbs' back to the US Treasury. God Bless America and Let's Make America Great Again!

You are just locked into your political party...I explained how these few bucks you are "getting" is the same as putting off the future to consume now and you just dont give a crap.

These few bucks you get are costing you and everyone else in the mid and long term...these cuts are not budget positive, do you understand what that means? It means you are FINANCING your few bucks and will pay for it very soon. Trump wants to impress NOW and who cares when the cost comes for these decision, he wont be around. But you come off as a mindless dope when the full information is placed in front of your blind eyes and you shrug and use moronic catch phrases as if you are a zombie.

The only time the government should be reducing tax rates is when accompanied by a cut in costs...and this is not the case, so enjoy your selfish few bucks and act like you have no idea what the crap is going on.

 

Actually D Eisenhower wanted to be quoted in his "farewell" speech as to warn of the influence of the 'Military-Industrial-CONGRESSIONAL Complex" but he thought it would be considered unseamly to be so political.

I am very busy at work wall. I did not spend 10T more than was brought in between 2008-2016. The previous President signed off on that. I will not be shamed into giving 'my' money back to the US Treasury. It is my money.

Wrong..

 

We had this debate a few years ago and you are flat out wrong, your wage is not YOURS as if you own it, not in the slightest.

You earn what you do based on living where you do, here in this country and specifically where you live and the skills you have. The benefit of earning the wage you do and the life you live is HIGHLY correlated to this government and this country. If you want a solid example then move to either Mexico or San Fransisco/NYC and see what happens to your wage.

Just admit you are a blind republican and will follow whatever the leaders and party tell you to and that is ok. I throw known information in front of your face and you are 100% indifferent...that is blind party zombie action and you are just like millions of others who when presented with real data/facts just dont give a crap.

That may be true ...but did any of them claim ,,that is would be cost effective to use the nuclear bomb as a reason to bomb a country .... like Ike did ?