Nice analysis! Your second argument is certainly going to be quite persuasive presuming one can get past the immediate response that it creates a tier, so to speak, of those claiming constitutional violations.
With that being said, the only Plaintiffs with an argument, IMHO, are those who were previously granted admission.
Respect your opinions and appreciate the compliment. I also agree the government is going to have a much harder time excluding those previously admitted. In fact, it seems they might already be backtracking from that position.
Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
Nice analysis! Your second argument is certainly going to be quite persuasive presuming one can get past the immediate response that it creates a tier, so to speak, of those claiming constitutional violations.
With that being said, the only Plaintiffs with an argument, IMHO, are those who were previously granted admission.
Respect your opinions and appreciate the compliment. I also agree the government is going to have a much harder time excluding those previously admitted. In fact, it seems they might already be backtracking from that position.
This immigration ban is unlawful becauses it violates religious freedom and equal protection clauses of US Constitution. Illegal for governments to discriminate based on race, religion or place of birth.
Trump cannot fool judges and attorney generals. When branches of government clash, the executive branch must follow the direction of the courts. Ultimately, this ban should be struck down later.
Besides, this ban is unnecessary because US screening of immigration applicants is already one of the most rigorous in the world, taking many months.
This immigration ban is unlawful becauses it violates religious freedom and equal protection clauses of US Constitution. Illegal for governments to discriminate based on race, religion or place of birth.
Trump cannot fool judges and attorney generals. When branches of government clash, the executive branch must follow the direction of the courts. Ultimately, this ban should be struck down later.
Besides, this ban is unnecessary because US screening of immigration applicants is already one of the most rigorous in the world, taking many months.
This immigration ban is unlawful becauses it violates religious freedom and equal protection clauses of US Constitution. Illegal for governments to discriminate based on race, religion or place of birth.
Maybe morally, but not constitutionally. People who have a legal right to be present (those with visas or approved green cards) have such an argument.
Those who simply want to enter the country illegally or even by legal means (application) have no constitutional arguments.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
This immigration ban is unlawful becauses it violates religious freedom and equal protection clauses of US Constitution. Illegal for governments to discriminate based on race, religion or place of birth.
Maybe morally, but not constitutionally. People who have a legal right to be present (those with visas or approved green cards) have such an argument.
Those who simply want to enter the country illegally or even by legal means (application) have no constitutional arguments.
Obama revised the definition of deportation/removal. It’s a liberal trick. Obama decided to include illegals captured by the US Border Patrol as ICE removals. This means a single illegal can be captured multiple times by the US Border Patrol crossing the border and counted each time as a deportation/removal. It’s nothing but deceptive liberal accounting.
Quote Originally Posted by mainman11111:
obama deported more illegals than any other pres.
wake up
Lie. More fake news lies.
Obama revised the definition of deportation/removal. It’s a liberal trick. Obama decided to include illegals captured by the US Border Patrol as ICE removals. This means a single illegal can be captured multiple times by the US Border Patrol crossing the border and counted each time as a deportation/removal. It’s nothing but deceptive liberal accounting.
I love how liberals think the Seattle judge did something today.
The travel ban wasn't halted nationwide. The judge doesn't have the power to rule nationwide. He can only rule over his district. Only the supreme court and congress have that authority.
I can't wait for this fake news story to be shut down Monday.
I love how liberals think the Seattle judge did something today.
The travel ban wasn't halted nationwide. The judge doesn't have the power to rule nationwide. He can only rule over his district. Only the supreme court and congress have that authority.
I can't wait for this fake news story to be shut down Monday.
Obama revised the definition of deportation/removal. It’s a liberal trick. Obama decided to include illegals captured by the US Border Patrol as ICE removals. This means a single illegal can be captured multiple times by the US Border Patrol crossing the border and counted each time as a deportation/removal. It’s nothing but deceptive liberal accounting.
I'm sure you will provide a link from a fake news site to back this up.
Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
Lie. More fake news lies.
Obama revised the definition of deportation/removal. It’s a liberal trick. Obama decided to include illegals captured by the US Border Patrol as ICE removals. This means a single illegal can be captured multiple times by the US Border Patrol crossing the border and counted each time as a deportation/removal. It’s nothing but deceptive liberal accounting.
I'm sure you will provide a link from a fake news site to back this up.
I love how liberals think the Seattle judge did something today.
The travel ban wasn't halted nationwide. The judge doesn't have the power to rule nationwide. He can only rule over his district. Only the supreme court and congress have that authority.
I can't wait for this fake news story to be shut down Monday.
Really?
Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
I love how liberals think the Seattle judge did something today.
The travel ban wasn't halted nationwide. The judge doesn't have the power to rule nationwide. He can only rule over his district. Only the supreme court and congress have that authority.
I can't wait for this fake news story to be shut down Monday.
Obama revised the definition of deportation/removal. It’s a liberal trick. Obama decided to include illegals captured by the US Border Patrol as ICE removals. This means a single illegal can be captured multiple times by the US Border Patrol crossing the border and counted each time as a deportation/removal. It’s nothing but deceptive liberal accounting.
"liberal trick"
lol love it
the obama admin would even get former us military veterans that looked like illegals. held em w.o a court hearing for up to two years. no due process or nada.
im sure you are way too educated to figure it out as a liberal trick
Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
Lie. More fake news lies.
Obama revised the definition of deportation/removal. It’s a liberal trick. Obama decided to include illegals captured by the US Border Patrol as ICE removals. This means a single illegal can be captured multiple times by the US Border Patrol crossing the border and counted each time as a deportation/removal. It’s nothing but deceptive liberal accounting.
"liberal trick"
lol love it
the obama admin would even get former us military veterans that looked like illegals. held em w.o a court hearing for up to two years. no due process or nada.
im sure you are way too educated to figure it out as a liberal trick
Nationwide, department of homeland security has suspended all actions to implement Trump's travel ban. Any judge (republican or democrat) would have made similar decision to comply with the Constitution. No President is above the law. Generally, judges are more honest and honorable than politicians.
Myth is that Obama is soft on immigration despite Mexico border turned into a fortress. Politifact rated false the claim that deportation data is manipulated under Obama. Snopes rated true that Obama deported more illegal immigrants than any President in US history. Also this is supported by homeland security department and American immigration council.
Nationwide, department of homeland security has suspended all actions to implement Trump's travel ban. Any judge (republican or democrat) would have made similar decision to comply with the Constitution. No President is above the law. Generally, judges are more honest and honorable than politicians.
Myth is that Obama is soft on immigration despite Mexico border turned into a fortress. Politifact rated false the claim that deportation data is manipulated under Obama. Snopes rated true that Obama deported more illegal immigrants than any President in US history. Also this is supported by homeland security department and American immigration council.
I love how liberals think the Seattle judge did something today.
The travel ban wasn't halted nationwide. The judge doesn't have the power to rule nationwide. He can only rule over his district. Only the supreme court and congress have that authority.
I can't wait for this fake news story to be shut down Monday.
Dude get your facts straight
Federal Judge Robart, GW Bush appointee (Confirmation: 99 votes) issued a temporary “nationwide restraining order” that blocks Donald Trump’s immigration
Judge Robart made it clear he meant his ruling to apply nationally
what do the liberals have to do with Judge Robart's ruling?
Stop bitching about liberals or the left
Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
I love how liberals think the Seattle judge did something today.
The travel ban wasn't halted nationwide. The judge doesn't have the power to rule nationwide. He can only rule over his district. Only the supreme court and congress have that authority.
I can't wait for this fake news story to be shut down Monday.
Dude get your facts straight
Federal Judge Robart, GW Bush appointee (Confirmation: 99 votes) issued a temporary “nationwide restraining order” that blocks Donald Trump’s immigration
Judge Robart made it clear he meant his ruling to apply nationally
what do the liberals have to do with Judge Robart's ruling?
You racist, sexist, alt-left, pedophile apologist extremists and your "fake facts." Snoops and Politi-fiction. Both liberal owned, liberal operated, and liberal funded.
Half the country knows everything labeled as news or so called fact checking is controlled by the democrat ministry for people's enlightenment and propaganda. It's all fake. Obama didn't do anything but manipulate the figures using his propagandist team. Obama and the democrats put out bogus figures and his internet propagandists work to control the propaganda when people decide to investigate.
The democrats say or do something and people go online to investigate. Democrats own the propaganda sites people use to investigate them. Democrats play catch with themselves. A democrat says a load of bull and democrats re-affirm that bull under the guise of being an independent source. It's really smart when you think about it. Hitler is very impressed in hell right now.
President Trump didn't violate the constitution. There is nothing in the constitution that says the president has no authority to protect the citizens of the US. The liberal, thugs lives matter judge only has temporary power. Liberals are acting like this is a permanent order. The order is good for 14 days. The ninth circuit will overrule the judges act of treason or the Supreme Court will down the road. This is just one small battle. A small misstep. Democrats will lose in the end.
Democrats will lose this second civil war just like they lost the first civil war. President Trump in the end will prevail in protecting Americans from Islamic terrorists and democrat terrorists. I can't wait for the day President Trump prevails and the liberal tears begin. That's going to be a good day and a really fun thread. I guarantee President Trump is going to win. It's only a matter of time.
You racist, sexist, alt-left, pedophile apologist extremists and your "fake facts." Snoops and Politi-fiction. Both liberal owned, liberal operated, and liberal funded.
Half the country knows everything labeled as news or so called fact checking is controlled by the democrat ministry for people's enlightenment and propaganda. It's all fake. Obama didn't do anything but manipulate the figures using his propagandist team. Obama and the democrats put out bogus figures and his internet propagandists work to control the propaganda when people decide to investigate.
The democrats say or do something and people go online to investigate. Democrats own the propaganda sites people use to investigate them. Democrats play catch with themselves. A democrat says a load of bull and democrats re-affirm that bull under the guise of being an independent source. It's really smart when you think about it. Hitler is very impressed in hell right now.
President Trump didn't violate the constitution. There is nothing in the constitution that says the president has no authority to protect the citizens of the US. The liberal, thugs lives matter judge only has temporary power. Liberals are acting like this is a permanent order. The order is good for 14 days. The ninth circuit will overrule the judges act of treason or the Supreme Court will down the road. This is just one small battle. A small misstep. Democrats will lose in the end.
Democrats will lose this second civil war just like they lost the first civil war. President Trump in the end will prevail in protecting Americans from Islamic terrorists and democrat terrorists. I can't wait for the day President Trump prevails and the liberal tears begin. That's going to be a good day and a really fun thread. I guarantee President Trump is going to win. It's only a matter of time.
You racist, sexist, alt-left, pedophile apologist extremists and your "fake facts." Snoops and Politi-fiction. Both liberal owned, liberal operated, and liberal funded.
Half the country knows everything labeled as news or so called fact checking is controlled by the democrat ministry for people's enlightenment and propaganda. It's all fake. Obama didn't do anything but manipulate the figures using his propagandist team. Obama and the democrats put out bogus figures and his internet propagandists work to control the propaganda when people decide to investigate.
The democrats say or do something and people go online to investigate. Democrats own the propaganda sites people use to investigate them. Democrats play catch with themselves. A democrat says a load of bull and democrats re-affirm that bull under the guise of being an independent source. It's really smart when you think about it. Hitler is very impressed in hell right now.
President Trump didn't violate the constitution. There is nothing in the constitution that says the president has no authority to protect the citizens of the US. The liberal, thugs lives matter judge only has temporary power. Liberals are acting like this is a permanent order. The order is good for 14 days. The ninth circuit will overrule the judges act of treason or the Supreme Court will down the road. This is just one small battle. A small misstep. Democrats will lose in the end.
Democrats will lose this second civil war just like they lost the first civil war. President Trump in the end will prevail in protecting Americans from Islamic terrorists and democrat terrorists. I can't wait for the day President Trump prevails and the liberal tears begin. That's going to be a good day and a really fun thread. I guarantee President Trump is going to win. It's only a matter of time.
Still waiting for your fake news link.
Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
You racist, sexist, alt-left, pedophile apologist extremists and your "fake facts." Snoops and Politi-fiction. Both liberal owned, liberal operated, and liberal funded.
Half the country knows everything labeled as news or so called fact checking is controlled by the democrat ministry for people's enlightenment and propaganda. It's all fake. Obama didn't do anything but manipulate the figures using his propagandist team. Obama and the democrats put out bogus figures and his internet propagandists work to control the propaganda when people decide to investigate.
The democrats say or do something and people go online to investigate. Democrats own the propaganda sites people use to investigate them. Democrats play catch with themselves. A democrat says a load of bull and democrats re-affirm that bull under the guise of being an independent source. It's really smart when you think about it. Hitler is very impressed in hell right now.
President Trump didn't violate the constitution. There is nothing in the constitution that says the president has no authority to protect the citizens of the US. The liberal, thugs lives matter judge only has temporary power. Liberals are acting like this is a permanent order. The order is good for 14 days. The ninth circuit will overrule the judges act of treason or the Supreme Court will down the road. This is just one small battle. A small misstep. Democrats will lose in the end.
Democrats will lose this second civil war just like they lost the first civil war. President Trump in the end will prevail in protecting Americans from Islamic terrorists and democrat terrorists. I can't wait for the day President Trump prevails and the liberal tears begin. That's going to be a good day and a really fun thread. I guarantee President Trump is going to win. It's only a matter of time.
As far, as this temp ban/pause on immigration,, as I see it President Trump
is on firm legal ground and will win out in the end .. at lest in part..
As we have learned in US Government 101 for Trump...(post #81) America is indeed a tripartite system of government ..
..and the Congressional Branch has granted the authority to the Executive branch to temporarily ban any class of aliens from entering the United States — this authority has also been ratified by the Supreme Court's plenary power doctrine..so,, at this point,immigration power is firmly in the Executive Branches hands... ...till new laws are enacted..
As far, as this temp ban/pause on immigration,, as I see it President Trump
is on firm legal ground and will win out in the end .. at lest in part..
As we have learned in US Government 101 for Trump...(post #81) America is indeed a tripartite system of government ..
..and the Congressional Branch has granted the authority to the Executive branch to temporarily ban any class of aliens from entering the United States — this authority has also been ratified by the Supreme Court's plenary power doctrine..so,, at this point,immigration power is firmly in the Executive Branches hands... ...till new laws are enacted..
Pakistan has started to utilize extreme vetting and monitoring of potential jihadists, and has sought out experts from Saudi Arabia nd the UAE to help implement. They did this in order to avoid a temporary ban on US visas.
WINNING.
Since, "Pock-kee-stahn." was the country that hid Osama Bin Laden from the U.S..are they to be trusted to ex-vet jihadist thoroughly ?
Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:
Pakistan has started to utilize extreme vetting and monitoring of potential jihadists, and has sought out experts from Saudi Arabia nd the UAE to help implement. They did this in order to avoid a temporary ban on US visas.
WINNING.
Since, "Pock-kee-stahn." was the country that hid Osama Bin Laden from the U.S..are they to be trusted to ex-vet jihadist thoroughly ?
The Seattle judge is republican and previously appointed by President Bush. Also federal appeals court has rejected call for reinstatement of travel ban.
According to former CIA director Hayden, Trump's ban is an abomination and won't make America safer. Trump is under two false assumptions. First, immigrants and refugees are a threat. Secondly, system of screening new arrivals are insufficient. Neither of those are true. Instead the ban can increase security risks. Harder for muslim moderates to resist extremism and easier for extremists to recruit new members in the US and worldwide.
The Seattle judge is republican and previously appointed by President Bush. Also federal appeals court has rejected call for reinstatement of travel ban.
According to former CIA director Hayden, Trump's ban is an abomination and won't make America safer. Trump is under two false assumptions. First, immigrants and refugees are a threat. Secondly, system of screening new arrivals are insufficient. Neither of those are true. Instead the ban can increase security risks. Harder for muslim moderates to resist extremism and easier for extremists to recruit new members in the US and worldwide.
It is my CONVICTION (driven by 15 years living / experiences in Europe and the Middle East) that the greatest threat to Western Civilization and cultural fabric within the western world is the religion and culture of ISLAM. More directly. Islam and the Quran must adapt to the modern world, or it must be eradicated, thrown into the ash can of history. There is no normalization possible.Western culture has given us stable democracies and advancements for mankind, and compassion is one of them. Compassionate democracies want to embrace Islam, because of course this is what makes us "stronger" supposedly. But Pres Trump is right, "You KNEW I WAS A SNAKE..." and compassion will lead to disaster.
Slow, limited immigration. Maybe over time Islam will extinguish itself as it looks in the mirror, and this could take centuries. Having a large population of Muslims (who DO NOT believe in INTEGRATION or intermarrying, and who denigrate western culure) and having them live for centuries within your borders is putting your nation at risk. Your "job" as a leader of your country, is the security and protection of your people, NOW and for the future, as far as you can predict the future.
"YOU KNEW THAT I AM A SNAKE. So why are you surprised that I bit you?"
There is a zero percent chance you lived anywhere but some small town in the south.
Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:
It is my CONVICTION (driven by 15 years living / experiences in Europe and the Middle East) that the greatest threat to Western Civilization and cultural fabric within the western world is the religion and culture of ISLAM. More directly. Islam and the Quran must adapt to the modern world, or it must be eradicated, thrown into the ash can of history. There is no normalization possible.Western culture has given us stable democracies and advancements for mankind, and compassion is one of them. Compassionate democracies want to embrace Islam, because of course this is what makes us "stronger" supposedly. But Pres Trump is right, "You KNEW I WAS A SNAKE..." and compassion will lead to disaster.
Slow, limited immigration. Maybe over time Islam will extinguish itself as it looks in the mirror, and this could take centuries. Having a large population of Muslims (who DO NOT believe in INTEGRATION or intermarrying, and who denigrate western culure) and having them live for centuries within your borders is putting your nation at risk. Your "job" as a leader of your country, is the security and protection of your people, NOW and for the future, as far as you can predict the future.
"YOU KNEW THAT I AM A SNAKE. So why are you surprised that I bit you?"
There is a zero percent chance you lived anywhere but some small town in the south.
Stop bitching about liberals or the left 
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