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    Giuliani found liable for $148 million defamation award

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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 4:34 PM ET #1

    Rudy Giuliani must pay two Georgia poll workers who sued him for defamation $148 million after he falsely accused them of helping to steal the 2020 presidential election from Donald Trump. 

     

    Due to Giuliani’s defamatory statements (which he admitted were defamatory), the plaintiffs and their children were the target of countless death threats and endless harassment.

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    Rudy Giuliani must pay two Georgia poll workers who sued him for defamation $148 million after he falsely accused them of helping to steal the 2020 presidential election from Donald Trump. 

     

    Due to Giuliani’s defamatory statements (which he admitted were defamatory), the plaintiffs and their children were the target of countless death threats and endless harassment.

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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 4:52 PM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Rudy Giuliani must pay two Georgia poll workers who sued him for defamation $148 million after he falsely accused them of helping to steal the 2020 presidential election from Donald Trump.    Due to Giuliani’s defamatory statements (which he admitted were defamatory), the plaintiffs and their children were the target of countless death threats and endless harassment.

    Judgement says that $75 million of that was punitive damages resulting from his repeated lies thumbs_up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Rudy Giuliani must pay two Georgia poll workers who sued him for defamation $148 million after he falsely accused them of helping to steal the 2020 presidential election from Donald Trump.    Due to Giuliani’s defamatory statements (which he admitted were defamatory), the plaintiffs and their children were the target of countless death threats and endless harassment.

    Judgement says that $75 million of that was punitive damages resulting from his repeated lies thumbs_up

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 5:17 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: Rudy Giuliani must pay two Georgia poll workers who sued him for defamation $148 million after he falsely accused them of helping to steal the 2020 presidential election from Donald Trump.    Due to Giuliani’s defamatory statements (which he admitted were defamatory), the plaintiffs and their children were the target of countless death threats and endless harassment. Judgement says that $75 million of that was punitive damages resulting from his repeated lies

    He’s obviously going to appeal, but I don’t see him being able to work this any lower than $40 million. That should cook him.

    I think the saddest part is the pollworker’s teenage son having to deal with the constant threats and racist remarks, that had to leave some permanent damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: Rudy Giuliani must pay two Georgia poll workers who sued him for defamation $148 million after he falsely accused them of helping to steal the 2020 presidential election from Donald Trump.    Due to Giuliani’s defamatory statements (which he admitted were defamatory), the plaintiffs and their children were the target of countless death threats and endless harassment. Judgement says that $75 million of that was punitive damages resulting from his repeated lies

    He’s obviously going to appeal, but I don’t see him being able to work this any lower than $40 million. That should cook him.

    I think the saddest part is the pollworker’s teenage son having to deal with the constant threats and racist remarks, that had to leave some permanent damage.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 5:49 PM ET #4

    When you listen to the people Trump and his group harmed it is just disgusting. Rudy and Trump and so many of his cult fans think there is no harm in antagonizing and attacking people and justify it based on lies. Those workers lives are changed forever based on zero evidence, zero proof and those jerks do not care about harming others because it pushes their narrative and who cares about destroying another persons life in the process.

    Rudy is a nut job, what happened to that guy...those election workers did not deserve the attacks he made and that Trump created to try and destroy democracy and our election process. If you think there was fraud or laws being broken then go at the issue legally and do not destroy the lives of innocent people to forward the narrative.

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    When you listen to the people Trump and his group harmed it is just disgusting. Rudy and Trump and so many of his cult fans think there is no harm in antagonizing and attacking people and justify it based on lies. Those workers lives are changed forever based on zero evidence, zero proof and those jerks do not care about harming others because it pushes their narrative and who cares about destroying another persons life in the process.

    Rudy is a nut job, what happened to that guy...those election workers did not deserve the attacks he made and that Trump created to try and destroy democracy and our election process. If you think there was fraud or laws being broken then go at the issue legally and do not destroy the lives of innocent people to forward the narrative.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 6:06 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    When you listen to the people Trump and his group harmed it is just disgusting. Rudy and Trump and so many of his cult fans think there is no harm in antagonizing and attacking people and justify it based on lies. Those workers lives are changed forever based on zero evidence, zero proof and those jerks do not care about harming others because it pushes their narrative and who cares about destroying another persons life in the process. Rudy is a nut job, what happened to that guy...those election workers did not deserve the attacks he made and that Trump created to try and destroy democracy and our election process. If you think there was fraud or laws being broken then go at the issue legally and do not destroy the lives of innocent people to forward the narrative.
      peace_5 all stemming originally from donnie chumps ego where he even began his election lies 6 months before the 2020 election then continued to put that thought in the minds of his sheep cult leading up to his election loss then pounding on it almost daily for two years after his humilating defeat to an old man

    the broader issue  which is directly related is chumps election fraud lies causing all of this and deeper division across america 

    i bet this jury verdict has some impact on his looming georgia trial in a few months

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    When you listen to the people Trump and his group harmed it is just disgusting. Rudy and Trump and so many of his cult fans think there is no harm in antagonizing and attacking people and justify it based on lies. Those workers lives are changed forever based on zero evidence, zero proof and those jerks do not care about harming others because it pushes their narrative and who cares about destroying another persons life in the process. Rudy is a nut job, what happened to that guy...those election workers did not deserve the attacks he made and that Trump created to try and destroy democracy and our election process. If you think there was fraud or laws being broken then go at the issue legally and do not destroy the lives of innocent people to forward the narrative.
      peace_5 all stemming originally from donnie chumps ego where he even began his election lies 6 months before the 2020 election then continued to put that thought in the minds of his sheep cult leading up to his election loss then pounding on it almost daily for two years after his humilating defeat to an old man

    the broader issue  which is directly related is chumps election fraud lies causing all of this and deeper division across america 

    i bet this jury verdict has some impact on his looming georgia trial in a few months

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 7:55 PM ET #6

    The thing that gets me is this though..

    Lets go down that rabbit hole and actually consider what they are suggesting, the Trump and goofy pillow guy and Rudy and many others, lets just do that for the sake of arguement.

    What IF these two workers were doing what they suggest? There is no proof but I am saying what if the claims they are making are true...lets consider it for a minute.

    Does it make the attacks and risk of life deserving if they were stealing votes? If what Rudy claims actually happened, does that mean the two workers who make min wage and are not at all criminal masterminds of the liberal elite that they deserve to have their names thrown out into the savage Trump public where the crazies will literally hound and attack and possibly do harm? Do the actions of Trump and Rudy and pillow guy have merit deserving of risking their lives, families, their safety? 

    Do Rudy, pillow dude and Trump not think that naming the counting worker puts them at risk, that their vicious words and details of their lives puts them at risk? I think they know 100% fully that them pointing fingers even if valid is a risk and they just do not care. Their narrative and agenda about a rigged election matter more than the lives of some min wage average USA citizen.

    To me that is why Rudy got raked in this verdict, that the jury saw how he had zero regard for those two workers, even if he is right it is the wrong thing to do, he was a lawyer and was a public servant and obviously has completely lost his sense of right and wrong. Those two election workers were not inner liberal DNC operatives, they were lower income average people who were just trying to do their job. If these guys want to explore the narrative then do so in a way that is respectful to US citizens, file lawsuits and legal claims against the institution, NOT the worker, the individual and put their lives at risk, your rigged election narrative is no more important than the safety and lives of those workers and their lack of concern and consideration of anyone but the narrative is dangerous. Trump has no respect for anyone but his narrative and agenda, this to me is the largest reason why he should not be leading anything but his golf club and his family.

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    The thing that gets me is this though..

    Lets go down that rabbit hole and actually consider what they are suggesting, the Trump and goofy pillow guy and Rudy and many others, lets just do that for the sake of arguement.

    What IF these two workers were doing what they suggest? There is no proof but I am saying what if the claims they are making are true...lets consider it for a minute.

    Does it make the attacks and risk of life deserving if they were stealing votes? If what Rudy claims actually happened, does that mean the two workers who make min wage and are not at all criminal masterminds of the liberal elite that they deserve to have their names thrown out into the savage Trump public where the crazies will literally hound and attack and possibly do harm? Do the actions of Trump and Rudy and pillow guy have merit deserving of risking their lives, families, their safety? 

    Do Rudy, pillow dude and Trump not think that naming the counting worker puts them at risk, that their vicious words and details of their lives puts them at risk? I think they know 100% fully that them pointing fingers even if valid is a risk and they just do not care. Their narrative and agenda about a rigged election matter more than the lives of some min wage average USA citizen.

    To me that is why Rudy got raked in this verdict, that the jury saw how he had zero regard for those two workers, even if he is right it is the wrong thing to do, he was a lawyer and was a public servant and obviously has completely lost his sense of right and wrong. Those two election workers were not inner liberal DNC operatives, they were lower income average people who were just trying to do their job. If these guys want to explore the narrative then do so in a way that is respectful to US citizens, file lawsuits and legal claims against the institution, NOT the worker, the individual and put their lives at risk, your rigged election narrative is no more important than the safety and lives of those workers and their lack of concern and consideration of anyone but the narrative is dangerous. Trump has no respect for anyone but his narrative and agenda, this to me is the largest reason why he should not be leading anything but his golf club and his family.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 8:33 PM ET #7

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     Bravo! I couldn’t have said it better!   an_cheers

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     Bravo! I couldn’t have said it better!   an_cheers

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 8:48 PM ET #8

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     First off what possibly did those 2 women have to gain! Really! Do they look remotely like the caliber of deviant that would be need to pull off what would  be needed to circumvent an election ???? Those women were just like all poll workers across the country …just trying to get a days pay ! Nothing more Nothing less! We live in a time where ruthlessness is a virtue and admired by fools!

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     First off what possibly did those 2 women have to gain! Really! Do they look remotely like the caliber of deviant that would be need to pull off what would  be needed to circumvent an election ???? Those women were just like all poll workers across the country …just trying to get a days pay ! Nothing more Nothing less! We live in a time where ruthlessness is a virtue and admired by fools!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 9:42 PM ET #9

    This was an 8 person jury & while the plaintiff was speaking, 2 jurors were openly crying in the jury box.

    That can never be good for the defendant.

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    This was an 8 person jury & while the plaintiff was speaking, 2 jurors were openly crying in the jury box.

    That can never be good for the defendant.

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    Those two people will be harmed forever, they have risk every day of their lives because many people who follow and worship Trump will do wild things which  puts their lives at risk. Rudy doesnt give two craps about the impacts on those people, he is more concerned with what bottle of scotch he will be sucking down tonight than the fact his libelous actions puts two lowly average Americans at risk for their future, their safety and well being.

    And Rudy today acted like he is still right and has no regret for his actions even if he was right and had cause (which he does not)

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    Those two people will be harmed forever, they have risk every day of their lives because many people who follow and worship Trump will do wild things which  puts their lives at risk. Rudy doesnt give two craps about the impacts on those people, he is more concerned with what bottle of scotch he will be sucking down tonight than the fact his libelous actions puts two lowly average Americans at risk for their future, their safety and well being.

    And Rudy today acted like he is still right and has no regret for his actions even if he was right and had cause (which he does not)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    When you listen to the people Trump and his group harmed it is just disgusting. Rudy and Trump and so many of his cult fans think there is no harm in antagonizing and attacking people and justify it based on lies. Those workers lives are changed forever based on zero evidence, zero proof and those jerks do not care about harming others because it pushes their narrative and who cares about destroying another persons life in the process. Rudy is a nut job, what happened to that guy...those election workers did not deserve the attacks he made and that Trump created to try and destroy democracy and our election process. If you think there was fraud or laws being broken then go at the issue legally and do not destroy the lives of innocent people to forward the narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    When you listen to the people Trump and his group harmed it is just disgusting. Rudy and Trump and so many of his cult fans think there is no harm in antagonizing and attacking people and justify it based on lies. Those workers lives are changed forever based on zero evidence, zero proof and those jerks do not care about harming others because it pushes their narrative and who cares about destroying another persons life in the process. Rudy is a nut job, what happened to that guy...those election workers did not deserve the attacks he made and that Trump created to try and destroy democracy and our election process. If you think there was fraud or laws being broken then go at the issue legally and do not destroy the lives of innocent people to forward the narrative.

    100%

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Those two people will be harmed forever, they have risk every day of their lives because many people who follow and worship Trump will do wild things which  puts their lives at risk. Rudy doesnt give two craps about the impacts on those people, he is more concerned with what bottle of scotch he will be sucking down tonight than the fact his libelous actions puts two lowly average Americans at risk for their future, their safety and well being. And Rudy today acted like he is still right and has no regret for his actions even if he was right and had cause (which he does not)
     peace_5   yep      donnie chumps lies  and the knowledge that the sheep would believe anything he says to protect hiss ego and stay in power being the root cause of it all

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Those two people will be harmed forever, they have risk every day of their lives because many people who follow and worship Trump will do wild things which  puts their lives at risk. Rudy doesnt give two craps about the impacts on those people, he is more concerned with what bottle of scotch he will be sucking down tonight than the fact his libelous actions puts two lowly average Americans at risk for their future, their safety and well being. And Rudy today acted like he is still right and has no regret for his actions even if he was right and had cause (which he does not)
     peace_5   yep      donnie chumps lies  and the knowledge that the sheep would believe anything he says to protect hiss ego and stay in power being the root cause of it all

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 10:22 PM ET #13

    Defamation lawsuits are hard to win.  Requiring proof of false and harmful accusations.  Truth is the strongest defense in defamation lawsuits.  But in courts, Giuliani, Jones, Trump and Fox news have all been found liable of defamation. 

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    Defamation lawsuits are hard to win.  Requiring proof of false and harmful accusations.  Truth is the strongest defense in defamation lawsuits.  But in courts, Giuliani, Jones, Trump and Fox news have all been found liable of defamation. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 10:41 PM ET #14

    Lots of fair weather friends in this thread .

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    Lots of fair weather friends in this thread .

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 10:53 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by spockgato:

    Lots of fair weather friends in this thread .

    The incoherent drunk has entered the thread. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by spockgato:

    Lots of fair weather friends in this thread .

    The incoherent drunk has entered the thread. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 10:56 PM ET #16

    Come on man we’re both rap music aficionados . We have a lot in common player . No need to get gully with me . One .

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    Come on man we’re both rap music aficionados . We have a lot in common player . No need to get gully with me . One .

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 10:57 PM ET #17

    I’ll teach you How to Rob . I’ll rob any sense of credibility you have left brother peace_5

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    I’ll teach you How to Rob . I’ll rob any sense of credibility you have left brother peace_5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 11:09 PM ET #18

    you know you don’t want it with me .

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    you know you don’t want it with me .

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 11:17 PM ET #19

    @spockgato

     This isnt a partisan issue, its treating people in a proper way. DEM or RNC it doesnt matter, when someone puts another person at risk for their own personal agenda or narrative that is the problem.

    Those two women are just salt of the earth oddball average people you would see walking down the street, they were working for low wages trying to do their job and that agenda of Trump/Rudy/pillow guy put their lives at risk, I think both had to move and drop out of their local community because of the threats and harm they were at risk of exposure to due to the libel from the stolen election group. 

    Even if those two workers DID steal ballots does that mean they deserve to feel at risk of their lives when Trump and his media team attacked them with names and information? The legal and moral thing to do is pursue the institution through the democratic process of this country, not attack them out in the open where they of course have ZERO resources to protect themselves or guard against harm.

    This sort of approach is toxic and as a society we should kick out any media personality or politician who feels this is the correct way to treat a US citizen, merit or not.

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    @spockgato

     This isnt a partisan issue, its treating people in a proper way. DEM or RNC it doesnt matter, when someone puts another person at risk for their own personal agenda or narrative that is the problem.

    Those two women are just salt of the earth oddball average people you would see walking down the street, they were working for low wages trying to do their job and that agenda of Trump/Rudy/pillow guy put their lives at risk, I think both had to move and drop out of their local community because of the threats and harm they were at risk of exposure to due to the libel from the stolen election group. 

    Even if those two workers DID steal ballots does that mean they deserve to feel at risk of their lives when Trump and his media team attacked them with names and information? The legal and moral thing to do is pursue the institution through the democratic process of this country, not attack them out in the open where they of course have ZERO resources to protect themselves or guard against harm.

    This sort of approach is toxic and as a society we should kick out any media personality or politician who feels this is the correct way to treat a US citizen, merit or not.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 11:17 PM ET #20

    Thanks for trying to derail the thread. How about making a comment about what the thread is about? 

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    Thanks for trying to derail the thread. How about making a comment about what the thread is about? 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 11:27 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Thanks for trying to derail the thread.

    How about making a comment about what the thread is about?

    @Sidehatch  peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Thanks for trying to derail the thread.

    How about making a comment about what the thread is about?

    @Sidehatch  peace_5

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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 11:29 PM ET #22

    wallstreet I have no problem with treating people the proper way . Others are not like me . Trump is not like me . Giuliani is not like me .

    and sidehatch is not like me . I don’t go around calling people incoherent drunks unprovoked .

    Damn .

    I don’t even drink man .

    What gives sidehatch ?

    I thought we were rap brothers ? But you’re not the EP to my MD , because I thought you were gonna be my Erick Sermon , but you turned out to be the generic version .

    the one that fakes his way through his arguments .

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    wallstreet I have no problem with treating people the proper way . Others are not like me . Trump is not like me . Giuliani is not like me .

    and sidehatch is not like me . I don’t go around calling people incoherent drunks unprovoked .

    Damn .

    I don’t even drink man .

    What gives sidehatch ?

    I thought we were rap brothers ? But you’re not the EP to my MD , because I thought you were gonna be my Erick Sermon , but you turned out to be the generic version .

    the one that fakes his way through his arguments .

     
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    Posted: Dec. 15, 2023 - 11:32 PM ET #23

    Oh I see how it is sidehatch . You’re running around with that Jerry Heller . Damn he’s clapping a lot . Wait till I clap back though .

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    Oh I see how it is sidehatch . You’re running around with that Jerry Heller . Damn he’s clapping a lot . Wait till I clap back though .

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2023 - 5:05 AM ET #24

    And I forgive you for being found liable for defamation to me sidehatch peace_5

    with those wildly false things that you said about me peace_5

    because unlike those people I don’t want to be awarded anything , and unlike Giuliani it will probably cost you nothing anyway I’m sure peace_5

    did it all come full circle ? Did I make a comment pertaining to what the thread is about now ?

    defamation is only important to people when it suits them , but when they do it themselves it’s just so “ ho hum “ ….an_cheers

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    And I forgive you for being found liable for defamation to me sidehatch peace_5

    with those wildly false things that you said about me peace_5

    because unlike those people I don’t want to be awarded anything , and unlike Giuliani it will probably cost you nothing anyway I’m sure peace_5

    did it all come full circle ? Did I make a comment pertaining to what the thread is about now ?

    defamation is only important to people when it suits them , but when they do it themselves it’s just so “ ho hum “ ….an_cheers

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    This isnt a partisan issue, its treating people in a proper way. DEM or RNC it doesnt matter, when someone puts another person at risk for their own personal agenda or narrative that is the problem. Those two women are just salt of the earth oddball average people you would see walking down the street, they were working for low wages trying to do their job and that agenda of Trump/Rudy/pillow guy put their lives at risk, I think both had to move and drop out of their local community because of the threats and harm they were at risk of exposure to due to the libel from the stolen election group. 

    The legal and moral thing to do is pursue the institution through the democratic process of this country, not attack them out in the open where they of course have ZERO resources to protect themselves or guard against harm. This sort of approach is toxic and as a society we should kick out any media personality or politician who feels this is the correct way to treat a US citizen, merit or not.

    Could not have said it better an_clap

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    This isnt a partisan issue, its treating people in a proper way. DEM or RNC it doesnt matter, when someone puts another person at risk for their own personal agenda or narrative that is the problem. Those two women are just salt of the earth oddball average people you would see walking down the street, they were working for low wages trying to do their job and that agenda of Trump/Rudy/pillow guy put their lives at risk, I think both had to move and drop out of their local community because of the threats and harm they were at risk of exposure to due to the libel from the stolen election group. 

    The legal and moral thing to do is pursue the institution through the democratic process of this country, not attack them out in the open where they of course have ZERO resources to protect themselves or guard against harm. This sort of approach is toxic and as a society we should kick out any media personality or politician who feels this is the correct way to treat a US citizen, merit or not.

    Could not have said it better an_clap

     

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