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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2023 - 6:13 PM ET #26

     

    ABC NEWS https://abcnews.go.com/Business/credit-score-home-mortgage-costs/story?id=98868025

    The [Biden] administration's stated purpose behind making these changes is to help make it easier for borrowers who have historically been disadvantaged and have had a hard time accessing credit," Realtor.com chief economist Danielle Hale told ABC News.

     

    The rule changes are part of the Federal Housing Finance Agency's (FHFA) efforts to provide "equitable and sustainable access to homeownership".....

    According to the FHFA, the new rules will redistribute funds to reduce the interest rate paid by less qualified buyers.

    I see BIDEN there in the first sentence.

    And I had a hard time "accessing" credit until I learned to live within my means. 

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    ABC NEWS https://abcnews.go.com/Business/credit-score-home-mortgage-costs/story?id=98868025

    The [Biden] administration's stated purpose behind making these changes is to help make it easier for borrowers who have historically been disadvantaged and have had a hard time accessing credit," Realtor.com chief economist Danielle Hale told ABC News.

     

    The rule changes are part of the Federal Housing Finance Agency's (FHFA) efforts to provide "equitable and sustainable access to homeownership".....

    According to the FHFA, the new rules will redistribute funds to reduce the interest rate paid by less qualified buyers.

    I see BIDEN there in the first sentence.

    And I had a hard time "accessing" credit until I learned to live within my means. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2023 - 6:48 PM ET #27

    You know what is super cool?

    If you dont want a Fannie or Freddie loan you do not have to go through them and avoid this travesty of justice. Over the history of my home ownership Ive never used Fannie or Freddie.

     

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    You know what is super cool?

    If you dont want a Fannie or Freddie loan you do not have to go through them and avoid this travesty of justice. Over the history of my home ownership Ive never used Fannie or Freddie.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2023 - 6:54 PM ET #28

    If you read the full article it sheds some light on what I mentioned above, but who wants to do that..lets just be mad at those liberals and not worry about details, truth, reality all those dumb words.

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    If you read the full article it sheds some light on what I mentioned above, but who wants to do that..lets just be mad at those liberals and not worry about details, truth, reality all those dumb words.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2023 - 7:13 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    You know what is super cool? If you dont want a Fannie or Freddie loan you do not have to go through them and avoid this travesty of justice. Over the history of my home ownership Ive never used Fannie or Freddie.
    You don't use them directly.......but many lending institutions follow their guidelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    You know what is super cool? If you dont want a Fannie or Freddie loan you do not have to go through them and avoid this travesty of justice. Over the history of my home ownership Ive never used Fannie or Freddie.
    You don't use them directly.......but many lending institutions follow their guidelines.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2023 - 9:59 PM ET #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @thirdperson  Learn to focus on the correct thing when you being a good BOT.  That is not the complaint about the new rule. This is what you need to know when Biden is the one taking the blame on this and he is the one in charge when things bad happen; he takes credit for good, so must take blame for the bad. "The Biden administration moved Mark Calabria, a Trump appointee and libertarian economist, out of the job. On Wednesday night, the White House appointed Sandra L. Thompson as the agency’s acting director." She may be the nut that made the decision, but Biden put her in  the job. She was confirmed by the Senate in May of 2022.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @thirdperson  Learn to focus on the correct thing when you being a good BOT.  That is not the complaint about the new rule. This is what you need to know when Biden is the one taking the blame on this and he is the one in charge when things bad happen; he takes credit for good, so must take blame for the bad. "The Biden administration moved Mark Calabria, a Trump appointee and libertarian economist, out of the job. On Wednesday night, the White House appointed Sandra L. Thompson as the agency’s acting director." She may be the nut that made the decision, but Biden put her in  the job. She was confirmed by the Senate in May of 2022.

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     If you read the article it says that the change is for originations from Fannie and Freddie, if you originated at say Loan Depot then you paid their origination fee even if the loan is taken by Fannie, the fee is at closing not at transfer.

    Also, if you did read the article then it states that the fee structure has been shifted from the lower credit score to higher credit score, but even with the shift the lower score has a MUCH higher rate on this fee...its right there in the article. It also stated that this change was to bolster the balance sheet for Fannie and Freddie, to improve their balance sheet.

    Who needs details and truth though, blanket blaming Biden and Libs is much more fun.

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     If you read the article it says that the change is for originations from Fannie and Freddie, if you originated at say Loan Depot then you paid their origination fee even if the loan is taken by Fannie, the fee is at closing not at transfer.

    Also, if you did read the article then it states that the fee structure has been shifted from the lower credit score to higher credit score, but even with the shift the lower score has a MUCH higher rate on this fee...its right there in the article. It also stated that this change was to bolster the balance sheet for Fannie and Freddie, to improve their balance sheet.

    Who needs details and truth though, blanket blaming Biden and Libs is much more fun.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2023 - 2:00 AM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    @wallstreetcappers   I think you missed the part about those with good credit getting penalized. How does that make any sense at all? WTF, does it go into a fund for banks/mortgage cos. to cover the cost of the inevitable defaults? @BigGame90   My CR is well over the magic 740 mark. I was gonna sell this fall & move to eastern WA but I'm gonna have to do some research now.

    What area were you thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    @wallstreetcappers   I think you missed the part about those with good credit getting penalized. How does that make any sense at all? WTF, does it go into a fund for banks/mortgage cos. to cover the cost of the inevitable defaults? @BigGame90   My CR is well over the magic 740 mark. I was gonna sell this fall & move to eastern WA but I'm gonna have to do some research now.

    What area were you thinking?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2023 - 2:08 AM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    So this is a Biden initiative? Last I checked the previous guy appointed people, the GOP has control of half the process. I love it when partisan false generalizations are thrown around for fun.

    Of course it was a Biden initiative.  He is in charge, even if it is his advisors telling him what to do.  He is the one that replaced the 'previous guy's' appointee and installed the person that installed this initiative.

    What half of this process did the GOP control?  It is not something Congress voted on.  This is one agency's decision, okayed by a Biden appointee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    So this is a Biden initiative? Last I checked the previous guy appointed people, the GOP has control of half the process. I love it when partisan false generalizations are thrown around for fun.

    Of course it was a Biden initiative.  He is in charge, even if it is his advisors telling him what to do.  He is the one that replaced the 'previous guy's' appointee and installed the person that installed this initiative.

    What half of this process did the GOP control?  It is not something Congress voted on.  This is one agency's decision, okayed by a Biden appointee.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @THEMUGG  If you read the article it says that the change is for originations from Fannie and Freddie, if you originated at say Loan Depot then you paid their origination fee even if the loan is taken by Fannie, the fee is at closing not at transfer. Also, if you did read the article then it states that the fee structure has been shifted from the lower credit score to higher credit score, but even with the shift the lower score has a MUCH higher rate on this fee...its right there in the article. It also stated that this change was to bolster the balance sheet for Fannie and Freddie, to improve their balance sheet. Who needs details and truth though, blanket blaming Biden and Libs is much more fun.

    Not sure which article you are referring to.  The one he quoted states this as the reasons:

    Director Sandra Thompson, a Biden appointee, said the fee changes will “increase pricing support for purchase borrowers limited by income or by wealth.” The agency calls the overall fee changes “minimal” and said the moves will ensure market stability.

    “Why was this done? The answer is simple, it was to try to narrow the gap in access to credit especially for minority home buyers who often have lower down payments and lower credit scores,” he wrote in a post on LinkedIn. “The gap in homeownership opportunity is real. America is facing a severe shortage of affordable homes for sales combined with excessive demand causing an imbalance. But convoluting pricing and credit is not the way to solve this problem.”

    The only reference to balance sheet is this:

    He predicted that the Federal Reserve will soon complete its course of tightening its balance sheet and mortgage rates will fall.

    This of course is referring to the Fed and the interest rates.  Not the balance sheets of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Then his concerns are talked about:

    “Demand for homes will begin to rise and the same challenges for first-time homebuyers will return,” he said.

    Lenders also are worried about the impact of the debt-to-income fee that takes effect in August because homebuyers might feel as if they are in a game of “bait and switch” on their projected borrowing costs.

    In a letter to Ms. Thompson in February, Mortgage Bankers Association President Bob Broeksmit said the timing of the fee changes was “especially troubling” and that the debt-to-income ratio fee creates “operational issues and quality control” for lenders.

    Among the many issues with this, is that it is good intentions that are not well thought out.  The theory is that it makes it a level-playing field and will get more folks into houses that otherwise would not get into houses.

    But the issue is the same old story.  Folks will be getting houses when they should not be getting houses because they are not financially ready or cannot afford to.

    Another issue is folks will now be allowed to get into more of a house than they should be allowed to.  The studies show what people should be able to afford with their debt-to-income ratio and credit score.

    So, the guy int the article is correct in a sense when he says it is a subsidizing by some for others.

    If you cannot afford a house you should work to do so.  You should also not buy too much house.  Live within your means, etc.  

    It is good intentions gone wrong, again.

    What happens later on down the road to these folks when they cannot afford to keep the house?  I could easily see something along the lines of what they want do with student loan forgiveness, for nearly the same reasons.  Good intentions gone bad.

     

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    @THEMUGG  If you read the article it says that the change is for originations from Fannie and Freddie, if you originated at say Loan Depot then you paid their origination fee even if the loan is taken by Fannie, the fee is at closing not at transfer. Also, if you did read the article then it states that the fee structure has been shifted from the lower credit score to higher credit score, but even with the shift the lower score has a MUCH higher rate on this fee...its right there in the article. It also stated that this change was to bolster the balance sheet for Fannie and Freddie, to improve their balance sheet. Who needs details and truth though, blanket blaming Biden and Libs is much more fun.

    Not sure which article you are referring to.  The one he quoted states this as the reasons:

    Director Sandra Thompson, a Biden appointee, said the fee changes will “increase pricing support for purchase borrowers limited by income or by wealth.” The agency calls the overall fee changes “minimal” and said the moves will ensure market stability.

    “Why was this done? The answer is simple, it was to try to narrow the gap in access to credit especially for minority home buyers who often have lower down payments and lower credit scores,” he wrote in a post on LinkedIn. “The gap in homeownership opportunity is real. America is facing a severe shortage of affordable homes for sales combined with excessive demand causing an imbalance. But convoluting pricing and credit is not the way to solve this problem.”

    The only reference to balance sheet is this:

    He predicted that the Federal Reserve will soon complete its course of tightening its balance sheet and mortgage rates will fall.

    This of course is referring to the Fed and the interest rates.  Not the balance sheets of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Then his concerns are talked about:

    “Demand for homes will begin to rise and the same challenges for first-time homebuyers will return,” he said.

    Lenders also are worried about the impact of the debt-to-income fee that takes effect in August because homebuyers might feel as if they are in a game of “bait and switch” on their projected borrowing costs.

    In a letter to Ms. Thompson in February, Mortgage Bankers Association President Bob Broeksmit said the timing of the fee changes was “especially troubling” and that the debt-to-income ratio fee creates “operational issues and quality control” for lenders.

    Among the many issues with this, is that it is good intentions that are not well thought out.  The theory is that it makes it a level-playing field and will get more folks into houses that otherwise would not get into houses.

    But the issue is the same old story.  Folks will be getting houses when they should not be getting houses because they are not financially ready or cannot afford to.

    Another issue is folks will now be allowed to get into more of a house than they should be allowed to.  The studies show what people should be able to afford with their debt-to-income ratio and credit score.

    So, the guy int the article is correct in a sense when he says it is a subsidizing by some for others.

    If you cannot afford a house you should work to do so.  You should also not buy too much house.  Live within your means, etc.  

    It is good intentions gone wrong, again.

    What happens later on down the road to these folks when they cannot afford to keep the house?  I could easily see something along the lines of what they want do with student loan forgiveness, for nearly the same reasons.  Good intentions gone bad.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2023 - 2:46 AM ET #35

    Wow, I’ve never heard so much cowardly whining in my life. Users of Fannie and Freddie pay an extra $50/month?

    Meanwhile Trump raised my and other blue states taxes $15-20k/yr and you arseholes ignore it? Special place in hell for you folks new_devil

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    Wow, I’ve never heard so much cowardly whining in my life. Users of Fannie and Freddie pay an extra $50/month?

    Meanwhile Trump raised my and other blue states taxes $15-20k/yr and you arseholes ignore it? Special place in hell for you folks new_devil

     
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    But oh yes, let’s change the subject to how Bud Light hires a tranny to advertise their beer! Fox News dedicates 900 hours to that, and now they unironically turn to Caitlin Jenner to complain about more stuff. Godless hypocrites

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    But oh yes, let’s change the subject to how Bud Light hires a tranny to advertise their beer! Fox News dedicates 900 hours to that, and now they unironically turn to Caitlin Jenner to complain about more stuff. Godless hypocrites

     
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    Remember when the GOP increased the deficit by trillions? Well now they don’t want to pay for it.

    Guess what’s bad for mortgages and the Economy! GOP Speaker Kevin “carpetbagger” McCarthy saying he wants America to default on its unprecedented Donerd J Chump spending new_devil

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    Remember when the GOP increased the deficit by trillions? Well now they don’t want to pay for it.

    Guess what’s bad for mortgages and the Economy! GOP Speaker Kevin “carpetbagger” McCarthy saying he wants America to default on its unprecedented Donerd J Chump spending new_devil

     
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     Well hello partisan thinker, of course its all Biden and the Libs fault, any ills you have are the result of Biden, his policies and the socialist liberal agenda, isnt that what the MSM tells you to think?

    Did you read the article? Did you actually read it not look for talking words but see the reality of what this is and isnt? It looks like you put on those perma-partisan glasses and generalized your conclusion as you always do. 

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     Well hello partisan thinker, of course its all Biden and the Libs fault, any ills you have are the result of Biden, his policies and the socialist liberal agenda, isnt that what the MSM tells you to think?

    Did you read the article? Did you actually read it not look for talking words but see the reality of what this is and isnt? It looks like you put on those perma-partisan glasses and generalized your conclusion as you always do. 

    Good luck!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @Raiders22  Well hello partisan thinker, of course its all Biden and the Libs fault, any ills you have are the result of Biden, his policies and the socialist liberal agenda, isnt that what the MSM tells you to think? Did you read the article? Did you actually read it not look for talking words but see the reality of what this is and isnt? It looks like you put on those perma-partisan glasses and generalized your conclusion as you always do.  Good luck!

    Howdy fellow partisan thinker. peace_5

    Not all his fault.  But this one is. an_light

    It looks like you misunderstood what you thought you read in the article. an_beatup

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    @Raiders22  Well hello partisan thinker, of course its all Biden and the Libs fault, any ills you have are the result of Biden, his policies and the socialist liberal agenda, isnt that what the MSM tells you to think? Did you read the article? Did you actually read it not look for talking words but see the reality of what this is and isnt? It looks like you put on those perma-partisan glasses and generalized your conclusion as you always do.  Good luck!

    Howdy fellow partisan thinker. peace_5

    Not all his fault.  But this one is. an_light

    It looks like you misunderstood what you thought you read in the article. an_beatup

     
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     It was a simple request.  Where in the article did it address what you said it did? peace_5

    What part of this did the GOP control? an_popcorn

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     It was a simple request.  Where in the article did it address what you said it did? peace_5

    What part of this did the GOP control? an_popcorn

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @Raiders22  Well hello partisan thinker, of course its all Biden and the Libs fault, any ills you have are the result of Biden, his policies and the socialist liberal agenda, isnt that what the MSM tells you to think? Did you read the article? Did you actually read it not look for talking words but see the reality of what this is and isnt? It looks like you put on those perma-partisan glasses and generalized your conclusion as you always do.  Good luck!

    Not only did I READ the article -- I presented parts of it for you to reply to.  No need to get snarky right off the bat instead of simply answering the questions.  I was not snarky with my questions.  

    I also used CONTOL+F just in case I missed what you said was there.  Maybe you were referencing a different article?

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    @Raiders22  Well hello partisan thinker, of course its all Biden and the Libs fault, any ills you have are the result of Biden, his policies and the socialist liberal agenda, isnt that what the MSM tells you to think? Did you read the article? Did you actually read it not look for talking words but see the reality of what this is and isnt? It looks like you put on those perma-partisan glasses and generalized your conclusion as you always do.  Good luck!

    Not only did I READ the article -- I presented parts of it for you to reply to.  No need to get snarky right off the bat instead of simply answering the questions.  I was not snarky with my questions.  

    I also used CONTOL+F just in case I missed what you said was there.  Maybe you were referencing a different article?

     
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    The article which was linked above is what I read.

    You are actually correct when you call me a partisan thinker, my thinking is not politically partisan though rather I look at things from a monetary and long term view, not a one event, one day ,one headline. When I read something like what the OP posted and its like reading the National Enquirer I immediately think what was the truth about the article or the thread or the comment..nothing is blanket partisan as you and some here think. That is how I am partisan, I look at why the slant is given, who gave the slant, what is missing from the slant and what is reality what is the true story.

    Wanna know what is great about living in the USA? If you think that Fannie is charging you an extra half point on a fee and it bugs you  then go and find a mortgage broker and get a different product. Every single time I have either purchased a home or refinanced for rate I always shop it hard, I dont just look at a billboard for Bank of America or Wells because then are on TV I look at rate, fees, costs, term and that is all I look at. Someone with great credit does not need Fannie or Freddie, you can get conventional at lower costs and lower rate all day long. This does not restrict access to credit, it shifts the fee balance from heavily against the lower credit score person to less against and a small increase to the better credit score. Still on a percentage basis if two buyers are applying for the same price house, the lower credit score will pay MORE in that fee than the better credit score will. 

    The linked article above also stated that Fannie and Freddie are doing this to bolster their balance sheet, go read what Mugg linked, its right there I am not adding any liberties to what my reply was. My only liberties added is that this is not a blanket partisan throw up opportunity, you need to look harder.

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    The article which was linked above is what I read.

    You are actually correct when you call me a partisan thinker, my thinking is not politically partisan though rather I look at things from a monetary and long term view, not a one event, one day ,one headline. When I read something like what the OP posted and its like reading the National Enquirer I immediately think what was the truth about the article or the thread or the comment..nothing is blanket partisan as you and some here think. That is how I am partisan, I look at why the slant is given, who gave the slant, what is missing from the slant and what is reality what is the true story.

    Wanna know what is great about living in the USA? If you think that Fannie is charging you an extra half point on a fee and it bugs you  then go and find a mortgage broker and get a different product. Every single time I have either purchased a home or refinanced for rate I always shop it hard, I dont just look at a billboard for Bank of America or Wells because then are on TV I look at rate, fees, costs, term and that is all I look at. Someone with great credit does not need Fannie or Freddie, you can get conventional at lower costs and lower rate all day long. This does not restrict access to credit, it shifts the fee balance from heavily against the lower credit score person to less against and a small increase to the better credit score. Still on a percentage basis if two buyers are applying for the same price house, the lower credit score will pay MORE in that fee than the better credit score will. 

    The linked article above also stated that Fannie and Freddie are doing this to bolster their balance sheet, go read what Mugg linked, its right there I am not adding any liberties to what my reply was. My only liberties added is that this is not a blanket partisan throw up opportunity, you need to look harder.

     
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    https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/LLPA-Matrix-updated-03-22-23.pdf

    https://nypost.com/2023/04/16/how-the-us-is-subsidizing-high-risk-homebuyers-at-the-cost-of-those-with-good-credit/

     

    These are the two he had in the first post?  You mean one of these?  What exact portions are you talking about that say what you said?

     

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    https://reason.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/LLPA-Matrix-updated-03-22-23.pdf

    https://nypost.com/2023/04/16/how-the-us-is-subsidizing-high-risk-homebuyers-at-the-cost-of-those-with-good-credit/

     

    These are the two he had in the first post?  You mean one of these?  What exact portions are you talking about that say what you said?

     

     
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    Again, and again, what part of this did the GOP control?

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    Again, and again, what part of this did the GOP control?

     
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     "The linked article above also stated that Fannie and Freddie are doing this to bolster their balance sheet, go read what Mugg linked"

    Quote what you are talking about here.  Maybe I do not see that part?

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     "The linked article above also stated that Fannie and Freddie are doing this to bolster their balance sheet, go read what Mugg linked"

    Quote what you are talking about here.  Maybe I do not see that part?

     
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    Because the listed reason(s) straight from the Director for sure says the reason(s) I quoted and copied from the other article.

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    Because the listed reason(s) straight from the Director for sure says the reason(s) I quoted and copied from the other article.

     
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    "My only liberties added is that this is not a blanket partisan throw up opportunity, you need to look harder."

    If this is the case show the supported fro the other side about this.  I do not see any offhand.

    Whether you like it or not -- some issues are partisan.  On the Right and the Left.  

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    "My only liberties added is that this is not a blanket partisan throw up opportunity, you need to look harder."

    If this is the case show the supported fro the other side about this.  I do not see any offhand.

    Whether you like it or not -- some issues are partisan.  On the Right and the Left.  

     
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    "In a letter to Ms. Thompson in February, Mortgage Bankers Association President Bob Broeksmit said the timing of the fee changes was “especially troubling” and that the debt-to-income ratio fee creates “operational issues and quality control” for lenders."

    And living and paying taxes in the USA means I will be one of many paying for mistakes made. Freddy and Fanny were already bailed out with over $200 billion. Will these "good intentions" do it again?

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    "In a letter to Ms. Thompson in February, Mortgage Bankers Association President Bob Broeksmit said the timing of the fee changes was “especially troubling” and that the debt-to-income ratio fee creates “operational issues and quality control” for lenders."

    And living and paying taxes in the USA means I will be one of many paying for mistakes made. Freddy and Fanny were already bailed out with over $200 billion. Will these "good intentions" do it again?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Remember when the GOP increased the deficit by trillions? Well now they don’t want to pay for it. Guess what’s bad for mortgages and the Economy! GOP Speaker Kevin “carpetbagger” McCarthy saying he wants America to default on its unprecedented Donerd J Chump spending

    WASHINGTON POST; Biden's misleading deficit claim earns him a Bottomless Pinocchio. Over and over, the president claims credit for $1.7 trillion in deficit reduction.

    BOTTOMLESS. an_eek2

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    Remember when the GOP increased the deficit by trillions? Well now they don’t want to pay for it. Guess what’s bad for mortgages and the Economy! GOP Speaker Kevin “carpetbagger” McCarthy saying he wants America to default on its unprecedented Donerd J Chump spending

    WASHINGTON POST; Biden's misleading deficit claim earns him a Bottomless Pinocchio. Over and over, the president claims credit for $1.7 trillion in deficit reduction.

    BOTTOMLESS. an_eek2

     
     
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     I always, always always say nothing is blanket partisan. This does not mean I have to take a jab at Biden to have this position, rather like in this thread I have to deflect the harsh partisan content and bring the conversation away from being partisan and more about what is reality and truth.

    This thread was about how credit was less available and how the higher credit rating person is being punished and that it was Biden's fault. That was this thread subject and that was inaccurate.

    The link was not from the OP rather what Mugg posted in the thread as a reply.

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     I always, always always say nothing is blanket partisan. This does not mean I have to take a jab at Biden to have this position, rather like in this thread I have to deflect the harsh partisan content and bring the conversation away from being partisan and more about what is reality and truth.

    This thread was about how credit was less available and how the higher credit rating person is being punished and that it was Biden's fault. That was this thread subject and that was inaccurate.

    The link was not from the OP rather what Mugg posted in the thread as a reply.

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