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#51
Garbage=sh*it
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INDICTMENT ! WHO IS FIRST ?
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#54
I'll leave the playmates in this thread four responses so they can cut and paste without the need for typing.
1) Trump had nothing to do with it so the investigation is all political.
2) Hillary Clinton is a crook.
3) Its Obama's fault
4) The Dems are worse.
For the record, number one is conjecture.
Numbers two through four are deflections.
Intelligent people don't conclude or give conjecture, rather they wait for the facts to play out, examine from all angles, and offer articulate responses.
Intellectually dishonest people deflect to avoid addressing the subject at hand.
Mueller is a Republican who was originally appointed by Reagan. With that said, anyone who understands the workings of a prosecutor knows it is very hard to allow politics to enter the investigation. The facts will eventually come to light, Either Trump knew about impermissible actions or he didn't. Either way, those very close to him were involved in illegal activities and covering it up.
At this point, its hard to say is the President was actively involved (i.e Nixon), misled investigators (i.e. Bill Clinton), or simply had people around him who were involved in illegal activities (i.e. Carter and Reagan).
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Posted:
#56
Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:
Of course, we now know that there is no evidence that Trump had anything to do with any of this-
Of course, we now know that there is no evidence that Trump had anything to do with any of this-
Hillary and her crew, well- looks like things might not go so well-
Weird that a Special Counsel might end up investigating a losing presidential candidate rather than the sitting president-
what do you know ?
Care to share any info ?
I do not want to hear your opinion.
who are we ?
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Posted:
#58
Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:
Democrats, the establishment and the establishment media have been saying for a year that President Donald Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election.
Democrats, the establishment and the establishment media have been saying for a year that President Donald Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election.
At Detox Inc., we rate this claim as 'pants on fire'.
Do you ever get tired of trolling ?
this is an on-going investigation
Would you mind sharing any helpful info ?
your personal opinion is NOT fact
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just when I think you could not get any more annoying 
Posted:
#64
Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
I'll leave the playmates in this thread four responses so they can cut and paste without the need for typing.
I'll leave the playmates in this thread four responses so they can cut and paste without the need for typing.
1) Trump had nothing to do with it so the investigation is all political.
2) Hillary Clinton is a crook.
3) Its Obama's fault
4) The Dems are worse.
For the record, number one is conjecture.
Numbers two through four are deflections.
Intelligent people don't conclude or give conjecture, rather they wait for the facts to play out, examine from all angles, and offer articulate responses.
Intellectually dishonest people deflect to avoid addressing the subject at hand.
Mueller is a Republican who was originally appointed by Reagan. With that said, anyone who understands the workings of a prosecutor knows it is very hard to allow politics to enter the investigation. The facts will eventually come to light, Either Trump knew about impermissible actions or he didn't. Either way, those very close to him were involved in illegal activities and covering it up.
At this point, its hard to say is the President was actively involved (i.e Nixon), misled investigators (i.e. Bill Clinton), or simply had people around him who were involved in illegal activities (i.e. Carter and Reagan).
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-02/13-shocking-facts-about-special-prosecutor-robert-mueller
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#65
If they want to investigate russian collusion, where the russians were enlisted interfere with the election, undermine democracy and put the nations security at risk, they should look at mcain, mook and hillary.
Man did brazille carve hillary "a new one" or what? Rerouting dnc contributions to hillary and bill? Down ballot candidates left with pennies? Obama debt? Wasserman incompetent?
Highly entertaining!
hillary voters, good work.
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#66
so..... clintons and obama and company have done NOTHING wrong ...they are the best, perfect most righteous people along with the rest of them, on this earth... Really????? it is funny trump gets ridiculed for saying he wants a wall, granted i see the humor.. however i still remember trump questioning the birth place of obama... did he ever produce the real one or is he still pawning off that xerox copy that looks like you get when getting phony driver's license.... some think that may be trivial but it clearly states in the constitution must be in u s soil .... you think you would know that and be prepared if running for presidency, right???
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Posted:
#67
Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:
Prosecutors are sworn to uphold the constitution. Suggesting that anyone who might possibly have a concern about Trump must have a political bias is what I have come to expect from the other righties in this thread.
A friend likens The New York Times to a 1960s adolescent who refuses to grow up. ?In a perpetual state of outrage, it is a newspaper of college snowflakes who embrace all forms of diversity except thought.
It sees its liberal politics not as a point of view, but as received wisdom that cannot be legitimately disputed.
The fixation on conformity reached a new low last week when the paper rolled out a coordinated attack on those of us who believe special counsel Robert Mueller ought to resign. I say coordinated because the newsroom and the opinion page produced similar pieces on the same day, showing again how Executive Editor Dean Baquet has erased the barrier between news and opinion and turned every page into an opinion page.
In the Times’ view, there are only two reasons to question Mueller’s credibility: insanity or treason. And so we detractors stand accused of engaging in a conspiracy that will embolden adversaries like Russia and produce a “constitutional crisis.”
The animating impulse for the assault is obvious — the Times is locked into its mission of destroying President Trump, and, like Hillary Clinton, still cannot accept Trump’s election as legitimate.
Consider that the paper’s dozen Op-Ed columnists are all Never-Trumpers. That’s either a remarkable coincidence or a litmus test for hiring.
But the paper, following a bad habit it developed during Barack Obama’s presidency, is not content with advocating its positions. Behaving like a party propaganda outlet, it takes a coercive approach to anyone with a different view. Objections are demonized as heretical.
bigreds daddy
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Posted:
#68
The reactionary tone of both pieces last week, and following ones by columnists Nicholas Kristof and Bret Stephens, carries the unavoidable assumption that Trump is guilty of colluding with Russia, and so critics of Mueller are subversives with unpatriotic aims.
The spear carrier for the Times’ newsroom opinion, media reporter Jim Rutenberg, singled me out for making a “dubious argument” that Mueller has too many conflicts of interest. Rutenberg, who assumed the role of Baquet’s apologist for its biased coverage of Trump, flatly declared doubts about Mueller unwarranted because “there is no evidence to support the assertion that the Democrats hired Fusion GPS with the purpose of getting Russians to spread ‘wild allegations’ about Mr. Trump.”
His straw man is a diversion and his logic turns the concept of evidence on its head, making it required before an investigation can start. Isn’t the point of investigations to find evidence?
Besides, if the lack of evidence is sufficient to avoid investigation, why is Mueller still investigating Trump, since more than a year of FBI probes has turned up no evidence of Trump wrongdoing.
The editorial page was even more venomous, calling criticism of the special counsel “crazy talk.” Incredibly, it also equated us with those who were silent in the face of Nazis by opening the editorial with, “And then they came for Robert Mueller.”
The zeal to protect Mueller from any criticism raises the question of why the Times cares so much. With the mainstream media in lockstep with its jihad against Trump,
why bother to smear a handful of skeptics?
My great sin was to argue that Mueller’s close relationship with his successor at the FBI, James Comey, was always a problem and that recent developments created a situation that was fixable only by resignation.
Those added conflicts include the revelation that Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic Party paid for the Russian dossier against Trump, with some of its paid sources linked to the Kremlin.
Because the FBI reportedly used the dossier to launch its probe of Trump and considered hiring its author, any probe faithful to Mueller’s assignment would include an examination of the FBI’s role in 2016.
bigreds daddy
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#69
That would put Mueller in the untenable position of investigating the agency he led for 12 years.
Moreover, as questions grow about whether the Obama White House used the dossier as justification for unmasking Trump associates picked up in wiretaps in an attempt to swing the election to Clinton, Mueller’s probe must also examine the previous administration. But that, too, is an impossible task for him because he spent more than four years working for Obama, where he was a colleague of Clinton’s.
Resignation under these circumstances is not a radical idea, especially because I did not call for the Russia probe to end. I merely stated an obvious fact about how serious conflicts of interest are routinely resolved in the criminal-justice system.
For example, a judge with Mueller’s relationships and history would almost certainly be recused from overseeing those cases, so why should a special counsel investigating the president be held to a lesser standard? And if Justice Department rules required Attorney General Jeff Sessions to recuse himself from anything related to the 2016 campaign because he was a Trump surrogate, those same rules should apply to Mueller’s relationship with Clinton, Obama and Comey.
In the end, the Times’ rabid defense of Mueller resembles the debacle of its 2016 campaign coverage. It never saw Trump’s victory coming because it was blinded by its hatred for him and contempt for his 63 million voters.
A year later, the Gray Lady has learned nothing.
bigreds daddy
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Posted:
#70
Hillary and McCain have matching Walking Boot Ankle Monitors..
Trump was never going down..
Nearly 2000 sealed indictments across the country.. tax evasion, money laundering, human trafficing, RICO ..
gov't alphabet agencies in proxy war against each other right now.
don't be shocked when there is another 'attack' in the coming weeks.
watch for the y e m (an-i ) connection
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Posted:
#72
Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:
so..... clintons and obama and company have done NOTHING wrong ...they are the best, perfect most righteous people along with the rest of them, on this earth... Really????? it is funny trump gets ridiculed for saying he wants a wall, granted i see the humor.. however i still remember trump questioning the birth place of obama... did he ever produce the real one or is he still pawning off that xerox copy that looks like you get when getting phony driver's license.... some think that may be trivial but it clearly states in the constitution must be in u s soil .... you think you would know that and be prepared if running for presidency, right???
Please quote the exact phrase you are referring to Donald.so..... clintons and obama and company have done NOTHING wrong ...they are the best, perfect most righteous people along with the rest of them, on this earth... Really????? it is funny trump gets ridiculed for saying he wants a wall, granted i see the humor.. however i still remember trump questioning the birth place of obama... did he ever produce the real one or is he still pawning off that xerox copy that looks like you get when getting phony driver's license.... some think that may be trivial but it clearly states in the constitution must be in u s soil .... you think you would know that and be prepared if running for presidency, right???
Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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Posted:
#73
Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:
That would put Mueller in the untenable position of investigating the agency he led for 12 years.
Moreover, as questions grow about whether the Obama White House used the dossier as justification for unmasking Trump associates picked up in wiretaps in an attempt to swing the election to Clinton, Mueller’s probe must also examine the previous administration. But that, too, is an impossible task for him because he spent more than four years working for Obama, where he was a colleague of Clinton’s.
Resignation under these circumstances is not a radical idea, especially because I did not call for the Russia probe to end. I merely stated an obvious fact about how serious conflicts of interest are routinely resolved in the criminal-justice system.
For example, a judge with Mueller’s relationships and history would almost certainly be recused from overseeing those cases, so why should a special counsel investigating the president be held to a lesser standard? And if Justice Department rules required Attorney General Jeff Sessions to recuse himself from anything related to the 2016 campaign because he was a Trump surrogate, those same rules should apply to Mueller’s relationship with Clinton, Obama and Comey.
In the end, the Times’ rabid defense of Mueller resembles the debacle of its 2016 campaign coverage. It never saw Trump’s victory coming because it was blinded by its hatred for him and contempt for his 63 million voters.
A year later, the Gray Lady has learned nothing.
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Posted:
#74
Quote Originally Posted by Europa:
Developing now, perhaps trying desperately to save his son and himself, Michael Flynn has cooperated with Special Prosecutor team and flipped against his former boss, Donald J Trump.
It appears Feds did not touch Michael Flynn's son, may be exchange for the Flynn senior's full cooperation and flip on much bigger fishes in Donald J Trump's inner circle.
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