@nature1970
man I loved me some of the Nature Man back in the day, Mr. Flair himself. Sadly, you do not remind me at all of him but not your fault, not everyone was blessed with the ability to understand and process logic. Simple things in life you must stick to, sky is blue, water is wet, I get it and I am here to help you and others like you.
quick recap to save you some time when you try and insult me:
1. I am not GOP. I did not vote for nor do I support the Big Bad Orange Man.
2. Please see rule #1.
3. Once you see rule #2. you are very likely to never reply to me again. That is the treatment I get around here, which tells you all you need to know. If ANYONE was actually concerned about the direction this Country, America, is headed then all the partisan BS infighting here would not exists. But all you need to do is look around and you'll see that YOU, and the other 5 usernames, are only interested in spreading the good word of msnbc, bashing Orange Man and propping up Poopy Pants Joe. That's cool though, at least the rest of us can see you for who you really are 
Look for progress...
Get those crying victims out of Congress.
See we are moving this country forward...
And the losers (republicunt) just need a new brand .
Trump bankrupted the last stain....
Conservative individuals will still be conservative live within their ways and means...
Raise their families without assistance from the government Doyle.
But the stain of trump stuff has smeared the brand...
If the government gave me 5 g a week to be unemployed I still work for 500...
Doing it anyway.
More landmark legislations confirm democrats competence in delivering on important promises. Fighting climate change, lowering healthcare costs, reducing deficits and building infrastructures. Democrats are realists who see problems and offer solutions. In contrast, current republicans are conspiracy theorists who choose politics over good government by ignoring real problems and opposing solutions.
So here your choice old j oe. Yes Joe is at 60 percent in democrats caucus h we wins first round...vs Trump or I hate mickey mouse....DeSantis and right now golf course owner and GG order reality star turned traitor is ahead in m most republican polls ... I mean is most favorable most money raised and largest name recognition....
You should do some more reading and research before you try to act like you understand the numbers and stop reading and believing misleading headlines. InFlAtIoN aT 4% It's at 4% higher than the 9% from last year and that's after they changed the calculations so it's even higher!
That's funny you believe that that it will pay for itself over time. How long does it take to recoup on solar? What happens if everyone magically switched to solar over night, why would power companies stay open? How do you recycle solar panels?
I'll wait for your answers...
@BigGame90
Ive mentioned that I installed solar about 11 years ago and only did so because the situation was optimal. There is smart residential solar and there is stupid residential solar and most have no clue as to why they should or shouldnt go with it.
My payback for solar was 5 years and I expect my current array will continue for another 15-20 years and so while energy costs always go up my solar production continues and I enjoy having next to nothing in energy bills.
Solar has to be installed in a north or south facing roof and without any trees or shading and solar should be installed mostly in southern areas due to the sun orientation and how to maximize the sun versus north of the midwest.
In addition to north/south the cost has to be correct and the panel wattage has to be correct, using a product like enphase micro inverters has been a very important decision too versus a central inverter.
Its funny how people refer to a payback period for solar and never for anything else..nobody talks about how a Tesla depreciates and does not have a payback, how a house you purchase has updates, repairs and costs. I consider my solar investment to be one of the best decisions made and I wish batteries were not so expensive I would like to be completely off the grid but the costs and degrading are too poor to make it a smart decision.
@wallstreetcappers
Just wait until all power companies stop allowing solar to feed the grid. Already happening in some cities. Basically forcing you to buy the battery to harness your power which just adds more years to recoup your investment. I don't know your situation and how you were able to payback your investment in 5 years (obviously perfect conditions with no roofing work done), from everyone I've talked to, it's at least 10-12 years to return your investment (without roofing work). Now, add in the fact that some power companies are limiting the amount you can feed back to the gird (<25%), solar may not be feasible for most. If solar takes ~6-10 years to recoup (after feeding the grid back which might not be allowed for most cities moving forward), forcing the purchase of the battery because cities won't take extra energy back, solar could become worthless for most home owners. But hey, go buy your electric vehicle to charge from your house/solar.
Electric cars will never appreciate in value like a classic car will. You see any 2010 Prius' on the road? NO. Because the battery replacement will cost more than the car is worth. Saving the environment with electric cars, only to destroy the environment by disposing of useless electric cars after 9 years on the road. Awesome.
@wallstreetcappers
I would like to know more about exactly what you think is the difference between the purchase of solar panels and any other purchase that would compare options to offset long-term costs.
People do compare offsets if you take it down to its basic core. If you remove residual things out of the equation like the benefit to the environment or the convenience or the aesthetics of it, then people do weigh these things.
For example, some folks will have to have a car. So, they would compare a Tesla to a gas-powered car that is cheaper. They will decide whether after that car is paid off how much they will save on fuel; then if it is worth the extra cost of a Tesla and and how long it will take to offset having to pay extra for fuel. Or even leasing versus buying or financing versus buying a cheaper car outright.
Most people will want a paid for house. So, they will weigh out when the payback for that is realized against paying rent forever.
Then folks will compare buying a cheaper home as opposed to a more expensive one in order to have it paid for sooner and invest the extra money to offset the better, or sooner, retirement.
@BigGame90
Its too bad really that it is the power company vs the residential solar owner where they should work together not as if they are competition. There is great benefit from having the power company work with the array owner too because the feed back can be used immediately to nearby power consumers and all they "lose" is that wholesale rate which they would pay for production OR even more the internal cost of production. The power company still makes margin off my neighbor who uses my excess production, they get the same return and for me (at least my power provider) only pays wholesale once a year for settlement on overages for the year, not monthly or anything so the power company gets to use my excess immediately but any carry over I have is either consumed as I need in the future or paid out once a year at lousy wholesale rates.
With how badly the grid needs updating and the issue of supply especially where I am being a big problem, I dont see why power companies are not giving great incentive to have more people install residential solar. I know down here the state gives like nothing for it and yet businesses get more incentive even though its the same concept and same technology.
As to roofing, the total cost of my array included panels, inverters, roof work, permits all that crap and the federal tax break is LESS than what you get with an electric car, go figure...the federal government gives more to someone buying a car than to someone producing power for 10-20-30 years.
And yes the whole reason why it makes sense for me is my orientation, my education on the purchase and keeping up with my asset. I maintain my own array and if an inverter starts to fail I am the one who gets on the roof and swaps it out, I did that like 3 weeks ago...lol
@wallstreetcappers
Why do more homes in AZ not have solar panels? How is it not the best state for them? I get CA and TX -- because of population alone. But why do states like NC and FL supposedly rank better for them? The weather is more overcast in NC and FL, etc.
At least I read that way back whenever -- maybe it has changed.
I also remember reading that AZ was building more homes with solar panels already in place nut not much more percentage-wise than some other states.
Any idea why that is? It would seem to me AZ would be the most ideal state for these.
I have not researched enough into it. But everyone I know that has them, or had them installed, loves them.
I thought you were in AZ and it seems to be the ideal state for them was just curious if you know of any reason(s) why they do not have a much bigger push for these than any other state?
@Raiders22
I dont want to make this a politics only thread but to me the reason is two fold, one the two power providers here are a monopoly and they do not want the consumer to take TOO much of their profits and they think it would do that on a large scale. When I first set mine up the power company was giving incentives for residential arrays but by the time mine was finalized that was totally gone and now they are openly fighting the residential solar owner, they also lobby the corporate commission which is the regulatory body who dictates what the power company can do. When i first started the CC was pro-solar and supported expansion, then about ten years ago the CC switched to almost anti-solar and the rebates got squashed, the power companies now charge a surcharge to the solar owner, higher rate brackets for power use etc. They were able to turn the tables due to getting the CC board members who vote their way. For how bad the energy situation is here and the growth I dont see why these two power suppliers would not be forwarding residential solar, its like having a little power plant right there and it feeds everyone around and there is no way even if a majority had solar at home that it would harm their business, but that to me is the big reason.
The second is that the GOP controls everything down here and the GOP likes to give freebies to businesses not to individuals, its why AZ who should have the biggest incentives gives zero towards homeowners but does give to businesses to have solar, it is also why the education system down here is in the bottom five in funding and social programs are horrible. Its political perspective and politicians here do not see the value in solar even though the state is likely the BEST in the country to maximize it, but nope this state is a business first state and has been for a long long time.
@wallstreetcappers
Oh gotcha! Had not thought about that. So, they fight against it. That makes sense.
But on an individual basis if a person lives there I would think the folks would be more likely to buck the energy companies and politics and get panels.
Just surprising to me that AZ is not the most solar-friendly state, by far.
Thanks.
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