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    I_Need_A_Detox
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    Posted: Mar. 2, 2022 - 8:03 AM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: According to YouGov polls — as late as 2018, 2/3 of all Dems — 66%! — believed "Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Trump elected President."     As you might expect dear readers, I_REALLY_Need_Another_Detox,      is posting false/misleading BS.......yet again. FACT CHECK:   The poll he is referring to does not show what he falsely claims. Only 30% of dems are revealed to believe that.   PRECISE WORDING MATTERS! And we are speaking only of 501 dems who responded in the poll.  It is foolish to suggest that 30% of only 501 dems is representative of a country of 330 MILLION.    One small poll.  Just one week in march 2018 only. And finally there is the statement that alleges dems were running amuck all over America spreading a falsehood that "Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Trump elected President."   The mere fact that 30% of 501 people believe this DOES NOT MEAN they were running about spreading their belief.   But the drug addict states it as if it is a fact, despite no proof to support it.   We DO know for fact that trump-worshippers are still running amuchk spreading the BIG LIE because we not only have multiple media reports stating this, WEEKLY, but video-taped proof during hundreds of interviews. I can confirm your fact check

    Do you have the ability to explain how you “confirmed” it? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: According to YouGov polls — as late as 2018, 2/3 of all Dems — 66%! — believed "Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Trump elected President."     As you might expect dear readers, I_REALLY_Need_Another_Detox,      is posting false/misleading BS.......yet again. FACT CHECK:   The poll he is referring to does not show what he falsely claims. Only 30% of dems are revealed to believe that.   PRECISE WORDING MATTERS! And we are speaking only of 501 dems who responded in the poll.  It is foolish to suggest that 30% of only 501 dems is representative of a country of 330 MILLION.    One small poll.  Just one week in march 2018 only. And finally there is the statement that alleges dems were running amuck all over America spreading a falsehood that "Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Trump elected President."   The mere fact that 30% of 501 people believe this DOES NOT MEAN they were running about spreading their belief.   But the drug addict states it as if it is a fact, despite no proof to support it.   We DO know for fact that trump-worshippers are still running amuchk spreading the BIG LIE because we not only have multiple media reports stating this, WEEKLY, but video-taped proof during hundreds of interviews. I can confirm your fact check

    Do you have the ability to explain how you “confirmed” it? 

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    Posted: Mar. 2, 2022 - 8:13 AM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    I_REALLY_Need_Another_Detox,      is posting false/misleading BS.......yet again. FACT CHECK:   The poll he is referring to does not show what he falsely claims. Only 30% of dems are revealed to believe that.   PRECISE WORDING MATTERS! And we are speaking only of 501 dems who responded in the poll.  It is foolish to suggest that 30% of only 501 dems is representative of a country of 330 MILLION.    One small poll.  Just one week in march 2018 only. And finally there is the statement that alleges dems were running amuck all over America spreading a falsehood that "Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Trump elected President."   The mere fact that 30% of 501 people believe this DOES NOT MEAN they were running about spreading their belief.   But the drug addict states it as if it is a fact, despite no proof to support it.   We DO know for fact that trump-worshippers are still running amuchk spreading the BIG LIE because we not only have multiple media reports stating this, WEEKLY, but video-taped proof during hundreds of interviews.

     

    Unlike the progressives here, when I’m called out I can always clearly back my claim. 

    Here’s the YouGov polls. 


    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ylp5ygohjs/econTabReport.pdf

     

     

    Scroll down to 26c on page 54

    “Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Trump elected” — do you think the statement is true or not true? 


    31% of Democrats voted — Definitely true 

    36% of Democrats voted — probably true 

     

    67% of Democrats believed that Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Trump elected. 

    Let me know if you have any questions. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    I_REALLY_Need_Another_Detox,      is posting false/misleading BS.......yet again. FACT CHECK:   The poll he is referring to does not show what he falsely claims. Only 30% of dems are revealed to believe that.   PRECISE WORDING MATTERS! And we are speaking only of 501 dems who responded in the poll.  It is foolish to suggest that 30% of only 501 dems is representative of a country of 330 MILLION.    One small poll.  Just one week in march 2018 only. And finally there is the statement that alleges dems were running amuck all over America spreading a falsehood that "Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Trump elected President."   The mere fact that 30% of 501 people believe this DOES NOT MEAN they were running about spreading their belief.   But the drug addict states it as if it is a fact, despite no proof to support it.   We DO know for fact that trump-worshippers are still running amuchk spreading the BIG LIE because we not only have multiple media reports stating this, WEEKLY, but video-taped proof during hundreds of interviews.

     

    Unlike the progressives here, when I’m called out I can always clearly back my claim. 

    Here’s the YouGov polls. 


    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ylp5ygohjs/econTabReport.pdf

     

     

    Scroll down to 26c on page 54

    “Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Trump elected” — do you think the statement is true or not true? 


    31% of Democrats voted — Definitely true 

    36% of Democrats voted — probably true 

     

    67% of Democrats believed that Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Trump elected. 

    Let me know if you have any questions. 

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    Posted: Mar. 2, 2022 - 8:18 AM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    According to YouGov polls — as late as 2018, 2/3 of all Dems — 66%! — believed "Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Trump elected President." Why is ok for Democrats to spread that lie but not ok for Trump to spread his lie?  Try answering that question like a man and not a triggered Karen.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ylp5ygohjs/econTabReport.pdf

    Page 54 question 26c 

    It’s actually 67%, not 66% 

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    According to YouGov polls — as late as 2018, 2/3 of all Dems — 66%! — believed "Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Trump elected President." Why is ok for Democrats to spread that lie but not ok for Trump to spread his lie?  Try answering that question like a man and not a triggered Karen.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ylp5ygohjs/econTabReport.pdf

    Page 54 question 26c 

    It’s actually 67%, not 66% 

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    Posted: Mar. 2, 2022 - 8:39 AM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    I can confirm your fact check

    Do you have the ability to show how you confirmed his “fact check”? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    I can confirm your fact check

    Do you have the ability to show how you confirmed his “fact check”? 

    sleep2

     
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    Posted: Mar. 2, 2022 - 11:42 AM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

     

    Judge calls Trump's Jan. 6 remarks
            'the essence of civil conspiracy'

     

    (CNN) Civil lawsuits seeking to hold Donald Trump accountable
    for the January 6 insurrection can move forward in court, and
    the ex-President doesn't have absolute immunity from litigation,
    a federal judge ruled Friday.

    Trump's statements to his supporters before the attack on the
    US Capitol "is the essence of civil conspiracy," Judge Amit Mehta
    wrote in a 112-page opinion, because Trump spoke about himself
    and rally-goers working "towards a common goal" of fighting


    "The President's January 6 Rally Speech can reasonably
    be viewed as a call for collective action,"  Judge Mehta said.

     

     

    that judge knows what hes talking about     lets hope this belief prevails

    We can hope. peace

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    Judge calls Trump's Jan. 6 remarks
            'the essence of civil conspiracy'

     

    (CNN) Civil lawsuits seeking to hold Donald Trump accountable
    for the January 6 insurrection can move forward in court, and
    the ex-President doesn't have absolute immunity from litigation,
    a federal judge ruled Friday.

    Trump's statements to his supporters before the attack on the
    US Capitol "is the essence of civil conspiracy," Judge Amit Mehta
    wrote in a 112-page opinion, because Trump spoke about himself
    and rally-goers working "towards a common goal" of fighting


    "The President's January 6 Rally Speech can reasonably
    be viewed as a call for collective action,"  Judge Mehta said.

     

     

    that judge knows what hes talking about     lets hope this belief prevails

    We can hope. peace

     
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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2022 - 6:48 AM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Do you have the ability to show how you confirmed his “fact check”?

    Didn’t think so. 

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    Do you have the ability to show how you confirmed his “fact check”?

    Didn’t think so. 

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    Posted: Mar. 3, 2022 - 10:45 AM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

     

    Judge calls Trump's Jan. 6 remarks
            'the essence of civil conspiracy'

     

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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2022 - 5:37 PM ET #58

    Former GOP state lawmaker
    pleads *GUILTY* in Capitol riot

    A former West Virginia state lawmaker who resigned after participating in the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol pleaded guilty on Friday to a felony related to the deadly riot.
    Derrick Evans had just been elected as a state delegate when he livestreamed himself pushing inside the US Capitol

    Prosecutors also say Evans encouraged other people to swarm the building, at one point saying, "If (Vice President Mike) Pence betrays us, you better get your mind right because we're storming that building!!"

    The felony could result in up to 5 years in prison

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    Former GOP state lawmaker
    pleads *GUILTY* in Capitol riot

    A former West Virginia state lawmaker who resigned after participating in the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol pleaded guilty on Friday to a felony related to the deadly riot.
    Derrick Evans had just been elected as a state delegate when he livestreamed himself pushing inside the US Capitol

    Prosecutors also say Evans encouraged other people to swarm the building, at one point saying, "If (Vice President Mike) Pence betrays us, you better get your mind right because we're storming that building!!"

    The felony could result in up to 5 years in prison

     
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    Posted: Apr. 1, 2022 - 1:35 PM ET #59

    Anti-Democrat who brought multiple weapons and Molotov cocktails near Capitol on January 6 sentenced to nearly 4 years behind bars

     

    CNN -
    Concluding one of the more unnerving cases surrounding January 6, a man who brought multiple firearms, Molotov cocktails and other weapons near the US Capitol that day was sentenced to 46 months behind bars on Friday.
    Lonnie Coffman, 72, parked his truck -- filled with 11 Mason jars filled with gasoline and Styrofoam, several unregistered firearms, hundreds of rounds of ammo, a stun gun, machetes and a crossbow with bolts -- a few blocks from the Capitol on January 6.
    "He had almost a small armory in his truck, ready to do battle," Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said before sentencing Coffman to several months above what prosecutors had recommended.

    Coffman had been on the FBI's radar since a 2014 trip with the militia, American Patriots.
    Investigators also found handwritten lists from Coffman's truck and home, where he identified certain politicians, political operatives as well as a federal judge, with titles like "traitors," "Obama's lap dog" or simply put them under a "bad" category.

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    CNN -
    Concluding one of the more unnerving cases surrounding January 6, a man who brought multiple firearms, Molotov cocktails and other weapons near the US Capitol that day was sentenced to 46 months behind bars on Friday.
    Lonnie Coffman, 72, parked his truck -- filled with 11 Mason jars filled with gasoline and Styrofoam, several unregistered firearms, hundreds of rounds of ammo, a stun gun, machetes and a crossbow with bolts -- a few blocks from the Capitol on January 6.
    "He had almost a small armory in his truck, ready to do battle," Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said before sentencing Coffman to several months above what prosecutors had recommended.

    Coffman had been on the FBI's radar since a 2014 trip with the militia, American Patriots.
    Investigators also found handwritten lists from Coffman's truck and home, where he identified certain politicians, political operatives as well as a federal judge, with titles like "traitors," "Obama's lap dog" or simply put them under a "bad" category.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Anti-Democrat who brought multiple weapons and Molotov cocktails near Capitol on January 6 sentenced to nearly 4 years behind bars

    CNN -Concluding one of the more unnerving cases surrounding January 6, a man who brought multiple firearms, Molotov cocktails and other weapons near the US Capitol that day was sentenced to 46 months behind bars on Friday.Lonnie Coffman, 72, parked his truck -- filled with 11 Mason jars filled with gasoline and Styrofoam, several unregistered firearms, hundreds of rounds of ammo, a stun gun, machetes and a crossbow with bolts -- a few blocks from the Capitol on January 6."He had almost a small armory in his truck, ready to do battle," Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said before sentencing Coffman to several months above what prosecutors had recommended. Coffman had been on the FBI's radar since a 2014 trip with the militia, American Patriots.Investigators also found handwritten lists from Coffman's truck and home, where he identified certain politicians, political operatives as well as a federal judge, with titles like "traitors," "Obama's lap dog" or simply put them under a "bad" category.

     

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    Anti-Democrat who brought multiple weapons and Molotov cocktails near Capitol on January 6 sentenced to nearly 4 years behind bars

    CNN -Concluding one of the more unnerving cases surrounding January 6, a man who brought multiple firearms, Molotov cocktails and other weapons near the US Capitol that day was sentenced to 46 months behind bars on Friday.Lonnie Coffman, 72, parked his truck -- filled with 11 Mason jars filled with gasoline and Styrofoam, several unregistered firearms, hundreds of rounds of ammo, a stun gun, machetes and a crossbow with bolts -- a few blocks from the Capitol on January 6."He had almost a small armory in his truck, ready to do battle," Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said before sentencing Coffman to several months above what prosecutors had recommended. Coffman had been on the FBI's radar since a 2014 trip with the militia, American Patriots.Investigators also found handwritten lists from Coffman's truck and home, where he identified certain politicians, political operatives as well as a federal judge, with titles like "traitors," "Obama's lap dog" or simply put them under a "bad" category.

     

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    Jan. 6th was an unarmed gathering of Trump voters in D.C. which is their right. Infiltrators from the Intel agencies tried and failed to make it an insurrection...the only person harmed was a Trump supporter (16 year air force vet) who was murdered by a trigger happy guard. 

    This is an attempt by the bolshevik/fascist left to enact enabling powers and strip the bill of rights away from their political opposition.

    Hundreds have been incarcerated without even having a trial or to face their accusers in court. It is eerily reminiscent of the Reichstag fire in Germany in 1933 when Hitler did away with the civil liberties of all German citizens.
    I pray that I live long enough to see justice and human freedom return to my country.an_light

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    Jan. 6th was an unarmed gathering of Trump voters in D.C. which is their right. Infiltrators from the Intel agencies tried and failed to make it an insurrection...the only person harmed was a Trump supporter (16 year air force vet) who was murdered by a trigger happy guard. 

    This is an attempt by the bolshevik/fascist left to enact enabling powers and strip the bill of rights away from their political opposition.

    Hundreds have been incarcerated without even having a trial or to face their accusers in court. It is eerily reminiscent of the Reichstag fire in Germany in 1933 when Hitler did away with the civil liberties of all German citizens.
    I pray that I live long enough to see justice and human freedom return to my country.an_light

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Anti-Democrat who brought multiple weapons and Molotov cocktails near Capitol on January 6 sentenced to nearly 4 years behind bars

     

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    Concluding one of the more unnerving cases surrounding January 6, a man who brought multiple firearms, Molotov cocktails and other weapons near the US Capitol that day was sentenced to 46 months behind bars on Friday.
    Lonnie Coffman, 72, parked his truck -- filled with 11 Mason jars filled with gasoline and Styrofoam, several unregistered firearms, hundreds of rounds of ammo, a stun gun, machetes and a crossbow with bolts -- a few blocks from the Capitol on January 6.
    "He had almost a small armory in his truck, ready to do battle," Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said before sentencing Coffman to several months above what prosecutors had recommended.

    Coffman had been on the FBI's radar since a 2014 trip with the militia, American Patriots.
    Investigators also found handwritten lists from Coffman's truck and home, where he identified certain politicians, political operatives as well as a federal judge, with titles like "traitors," "Obama's lap dog" or simply put them under a "bad" category.

    Many more need to be brought to justice!  thumbs_up

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Anti-Democrat who brought multiple weapons and Molotov cocktails near Capitol on January 6 sentenced to nearly 4 years behind bars

     

    CNN -
    Concluding one of the more unnerving cases surrounding January 6, a man who brought multiple firearms, Molotov cocktails and other weapons near the US Capitol that day was sentenced to 46 months behind bars on Friday.
    Lonnie Coffman, 72, parked his truck -- filled with 11 Mason jars filled with gasoline and Styrofoam, several unregistered firearms, hundreds of rounds of ammo, a stun gun, machetes and a crossbow with bolts -- a few blocks from the Capitol on January 6.
    "He had almost a small armory in his truck, ready to do battle," Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said before sentencing Coffman to several months above what prosecutors had recommended.

    Coffman had been on the FBI's radar since a 2014 trip with the militia, American Patriots.
    Investigators also found handwritten lists from Coffman's truck and home, where he identified certain politicians, political operatives as well as a federal judge, with titles like "traitors," "Obama's lap dog" or simply put them under a "bad" category.

    Many more need to be brought to justice!  thumbs_up

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074:

    Jan. 6th was an unarmed gathering of Trump voters in D.C. which is their right. Infiltrators from the Intel agencies ailed to make it an insurrection.. Hundreds have been incarcerated without even having a trial or to face their accusers in court.

    Fact checks by politifact have debunked those false claims.  Obviously, capital riot is no peaceful protest.  Rioters admit purpose of attack is to stop legal vote confirmation and keep Trump in office despite fair election results.  That is the definition of an insurrection.  Police found many weapons such as handguns, rifles, pipes, bombs, whips, sticks, pepper sprays, brass knuckles, knives, crossbows, machetes and smoke grenades.  Videos show rioters attacking police.

    False to claim rioters are held in prison without being charged.  Out of 775 rioters arrested in capital, majority have been released from jail, pending trials.  Between 75 to 85 rioters remain in jail at any given time.  224 rioters have pleaded guilty to charges.  Over 110 rioters have been sentenced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074:

    Jan. 6th was an unarmed gathering of Trump voters in D.C. which is their right. Infiltrators from the Intel agencies ailed to make it an insurrection.. Hundreds have been incarcerated without even having a trial or to face their accusers in court.

    Fact checks by politifact have debunked those false claims.  Obviously, capital riot is no peaceful protest.  Rioters admit purpose of attack is to stop legal vote confirmation and keep Trump in office despite fair election results.  That is the definition of an insurrection.  Police found many weapons such as handguns, rifles, pipes, bombs, whips, sticks, pepper sprays, brass knuckles, knives, crossbows, machetes and smoke grenades.  Videos show rioters attacking police.

    False to claim rioters are held in prison without being charged.  Out of 775 rioters arrested in capital, majority have been released from jail, pending trials.  Between 75 to 85 rioters remain in jail at any given time.  224 rioters have pleaded guilty to charges.  Over 110 rioters have been sentenced.

     
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    If their purpose was to overthrow the government then why were they not armed with real weaponry? 

    Besides, DC was filled with real rioters in the summer of 2020...the fascist left burned down a church and injured over 40 secret service agents in front of the White House and hassled Senator Rand Paul...and their protests lasted far longer than one afternoon...of course their actions didn't upset you at all because you have a double standard of justice. 

    One sunny day though this will all change and I pray I live long enough to see the reckoning. 

     

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    If their purpose was to overthrow the government then why were they not armed with real weaponry? 

    Besides, DC was filled with real rioters in the summer of 2020...the fascist left burned down a church and injured over 40 secret service agents in front of the White House and hassled Senator Rand Paul...and their protests lasted far longer than one afternoon...of course their actions didn't upset you at all because you have a double standard of justice. 

    One sunny day though this will all change and I pray I live long enough to see the reckoning. 

     

     
     
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    We should hold off "legal" for now.  States admitting they violated their own election laws, Zuckerberg bucks, hunters laptop..laptop protected by msm... that was Russian disinformation...thst after election is "safe" now being told its authentic.  Riots of 2020 was safe and civil,?...gtfo...like the Ukraine, this all could have been prevented..

     

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    We should hold off "legal" for now.  States admitting they violated their own election laws, Zuckerberg bucks, hunters laptop..laptop protected by msm... that was Russian disinformation...thst after election is "safe" now being told its authentic.  Riots of 2020 was safe and civil,?...gtfo...like the Ukraine, this all could have been prevented..

     

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