Up till 1979 Iran was ruled by a KIng ... Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi.
We are in the situation we are now, because President Carter really fuked it up in 1979 by blindly accepted false promises and helped Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini carry out the Iranian Revolution.
President Carter was the one who encouraged the Shah to "leave promptly." He never returned to Iran....
Today,President Trump is calling for peaceful protests by Iranian citizens...voicing moral support to the protesters and keeping continued financial pressure on the regime with sanctions...
As a result their currency is collapsing, and ordinary Iranians are coming to realize the
regime has destroyed the economy and mortgaged the future in order to
finance military and terrorist adventures...
That's why the demonstrators are chanting"Down with Khameini" and "Our enemy is here ..they are lying when they say it's the United States"
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
1953...?
Up till 1979 Iran was ruled by a KIng ... Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi.
We are in the situation we are now, because President Carter really fuked it up in 1979 by blindly accepted false promises and helped Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini carry out the Iranian Revolution.
President Carter was the one who encouraged the Shah to "leave promptly." He never returned to Iran....
Today,President Trump is calling for peaceful protests by Iranian citizens...voicing moral support to the protesters and keeping continued financial pressure on the regime with sanctions...
As a result their currency is collapsing, and ordinary Iranians are coming to realize the
regime has destroyed the economy and mortgaged the future in order to
finance military and terrorist adventures...
That's why the demonstrators are chanting"Down with Khameini" and "Our enemy is here ..they are lying when they say it's the United States"
How do you get that the OBAMA administration released them?
On the 60th anniversary of an event often invoked by Iranians as evidence of western meddling, the US national security archive at George Washington Universitypublished a series of declassified CIA documents.
The records were classified.. George Washington U. only published them ...and only after the Obama Administration declassified them..GWU does not have the authority to declassify Government records..
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
How do you get that the OBAMA administration released them?
On the 60th anniversary of an event often invoked by Iranians as evidence of western meddling, the US national security archive at George Washington Universitypublished a series of declassified CIA documents.
The records were classified.. George Washington U. only published them ...and only after the Obama Administration declassified them..GWU does not have the authority to declassify Government records..
Enough deflecting slim. I stand by this statement .
I stand my mine also darkhorse ... So lets go off topic for a sec..
I see where CNN ratings are tanking ...
How bad are they ?
CNN lost to Hallmark’s “Christmas in July” romantic reruns.
The former "most trusted name in news." is now fake disgusting news...
CNN fared the worst out of the big three cable news networks, placing
10th in primetime and 7th in total day.
In primetime, CNN fell to Home
and Garden Television, USA Network, the History Channel, the Discovery
Channel, the Hallmark Channel, and more. They lost to Home and Gardens TV ?
Looks like the American viewers are starting to catch on..
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
Enough deflecting slim. I stand by this statement .
I stand my mine also darkhorse ... So lets go off topic for a sec..
I see where CNN ratings are tanking ...
How bad are they ?
CNN lost to Hallmark’s “Christmas in July” romantic reruns.
The former "most trusted name in news." is now fake disgusting news...
CNN fared the worst out of the big three cable news networks, placing
10th in primetime and 7th in total day.
In primetime, CNN fell to Home
and Garden Television, USA Network, the History Channel, the Discovery
Channel, the Hallmark Channel, and more. They lost to Home and Gardens TV ?
Looks like the American viewers are starting to catch on..
I stand my mine also darkhorse ... So lets go off topic for a sec..
I see where CNN ratings are tanking ...
How bad are they ?
CNN lost to Hallmark’s “Christmas in July” romantic reruns.
The former "most trusted name in news." is now fake disgusting news...
CNN fared the worst out of the big three cable news networks, placing
10th in primetime and 7th in total day.
In primetime, CNN fell to Home
and Garden Television, USA Network, the History Channel, the Discovery
Channel, the Hallmark Channel, and more. They lost to Home and Gardens TV ?
Looks like the American viewers are starting to catch on..
You don't watch tv slim, why do you care?
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
I stand my mine also darkhorse ... So lets go off topic for a sec..
I see where CNN ratings are tanking ...
How bad are they ?
CNN lost to Hallmark’s “Christmas in July” romantic reruns.
The former "most trusted name in news." is now fake disgusting news...
CNN fared the worst out of the big three cable news networks, placing
10th in primetime and 7th in total day.
In primetime, CNN fell to Home
and Garden Television, USA Network, the History Channel, the Discovery
Channel, the Hallmark Channel, and more. They lost to Home and Gardens TV ?
Looks like the American viewers are starting to catch on..
Ah! I see you liked the off topic pause........since you didn't have a response to the ..GWU not having the authority to declassify Government records......lol
Back to your last "Q" ..Why do I care about CNN coming in at the bottom of the ratings ...since I don't watch TV..?
For the same reason I don't watch the NFL anymore,,.but want to hear about their drop in viewership. Both these products need to go down..and out of business ..unless they drastically change the way they are doing things..
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
You don't watch tv slim, why do you care?
Ah! I see you liked the off topic pause........since you didn't have a response to the ..GWU not having the authority to declassify Government records......lol
Back to your last "Q" ..Why do I care about CNN coming in at the bottom of the ratings ...since I don't watch TV..?
For the same reason I don't watch the NFL anymore,,.but want to hear about their drop in viewership. Both these products need to go down..and out of business ..unless they drastically change the way they are doing things..
Ah! I see you liked the off topic pause........since you didn't have a response to the ..GWU not having the authority to declassify Government records......lol
Back to your last "Q" ..Why do I care about CNN coming in at the bottom of the ratings ...since I don't watch TV..?
For the same reason I don't watch the NFL anymore,,.but want to hear about their drop in viewership. Both these products need to go down..and out of business ..unless they drastically change the way they are doing things..
So you have a link as to when these documents were declassified?
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
Ah! I see you liked the off topic pause........since you didn't have a response to the ..GWU not having the authority to declassify Government records......lol
Back to your last "Q" ..Why do I care about CNN coming in at the bottom of the ratings ...since I don't watch TV..?
For the same reason I don't watch the NFL anymore,,.but want to hear about their drop in viewership. Both these products need to go down..and out of business ..unless they drastically change the way they are doing things..
So you have a link as to when these documents were declassified?
So you have a link as to when these documents were declassified?
They were declassified just before the National Security Archive posted the declassified CIA documents on the United States' role in the plan and execute of a coup in Iran..back in August 2013
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
So you have a link as to when these documents were declassified?
They were declassified just before the National Security Archive posted the declassified CIA documents on the United States' role in the plan and execute of a coup in Iran..back in August 2013
Washington, D.C., August 19, 2013 – Marking the sixtieth anniversary of the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq, the National Security Archive is today posting recently declassified CIA documents on the United States' role in the controversial operation. American and British involvement in Mosaddeq's ouster has long been public knowledge, but today's posting includes what is believed to be the CIA's first formal acknowledgement that the agency helped to plan and execute the coup.
The explicit reference to the CIA's role appears in a copy of an internal history, The Battle for Iran, dating from the mid-1970s. The agency released a heavily excised version of the account in 1981 in response to an ACLU lawsuit, but it blacked out all references to TPAJAX, the code name for the U.S.-led operation. Those references appear in the latest release. Additional CIA materials posted today include working files from Kermit Roosevelt, the senior CIA officer on the ground in Iran during the coup. They provide new specifics as well as insights into the intelligence agency's actions before and after the operation.
So it was originally released by Reagan?
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Washington, D.C., August 19, 2013 – Marking the sixtieth anniversary of the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq, the National Security Archive is today posting recently declassified CIA documents on the United States' role in the controversial operation. American and British involvement in Mosaddeq's ouster has long been public knowledge, but today's posting includes what is believed to be the CIA's first formal acknowledgement that the agency helped to plan and execute the coup.
The explicit reference to the CIA's role appears in a copy of an internal history, The Battle for Iran, dating from the mid-1970s. The agency released a heavily excised version of the account in 1981 in response to an ACLU lawsuit, but it blacked out all references to TPAJAX, the code name for the U.S.-led operation. Those references appear in the latest release. Additional CIA materials posted today include working files from Kermit Roosevelt, the senior CIA officer on the ground in Iran during the coup. They provide new specifics as well as insights into the intelligence agency's actions before and after the operation.
What is the larger size lettering and darker print suppose to mean?
If, you think it means you have something ..than I think I'll use it too..
The agency released a heavily excised version of the account in 1981
This version was heavily excised (expunged..passages and sentences deleted) with blackened out attributions..It wasn't till 2013 that new specifics as well as insights into the intelligence agency's actions became clear..
But, if it was 1981 that would fall under Jimah Carter ..
James Earl Carter Jr. was serving as the 39th President of the United States in 1981...
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What is the larger size lettering and darker print suppose to mean?
If, you think it means you have something ..than I think I'll use it too..
The agency released a heavily excised version of the account in 1981
This version was heavily excised (expunged..passages and sentences deleted) with blackened out attributions..It wasn't till 2013 that new specifics as well as insights into the intelligence agency's actions became clear..
But, if it was 1981 that would fall under Jimah Carter ..
James Earl Carter Jr. was serving as the 39th President of the United States in 1981...
What is the larger size lettering and darker print suppose to mean?
If, you think it means you have something ..than I think I'll use it too..
The agency released a heavily excised version of the account in 1981
This version was heavily excised (expunged..passages and sentences deleted) with blackened out attributions..It wasn't till 2013 that new specifics as well as insights into the intelligence agency's actions became clear..
But, if it was 1981 that would fall under Jimah Carter ..
James Earl Carter Jr. was serving as the 39th President of the United States in 1981...
For 20 days he was.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
What is the larger size lettering and darker print suppose to mean?
If, you think it means you have something ..than I think I'll use it too..
The agency released a heavily excised version of the account in 1981
This version was heavily excised (expunged..passages and sentences deleted) with blackened out attributions..It wasn't till 2013 that new specifics as well as insights into the intelligence agency's actions became clear..
But, if it was 1981 that would fall under Jimah Carter ..
James Earl Carter Jr. was serving as the 39th President of the United States in 1981...
What is the larger size lettering and darker print suppose to mean?
If, you think it means you have something ..than I think I'll use it too..
The agency released a heavily excised version of the account in 1981
This version was heavily excised (expunged..passages and sentences deleted) with blackened out attributions..It wasn't till 2013 that new specifics as well as insights into the intelligence agency's actions became clear..
But, if it was 1981 that would fall under Jimah Carter ..
James Earl Carter Jr. was serving as the 39th President of the United States in 1981...
It means I copied and pasted out of your link.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
What is the larger size lettering and darker print suppose to mean?
If, you think it means you have something ..than I think I'll use it too..
The agency released a heavily excised version of the account in 1981
This version was heavily excised (expunged..passages and sentences deleted) with blackened out attributions..It wasn't till 2013 that new specifics as well as insights into the intelligence agency's actions became clear..
But, if it was 1981 that would fall under Jimah Carter ..
James Earl Carter Jr. was serving as the 39th President of the United States in 1981...
What is the larger size lettering and darker print suppose to mean?
If, you think it means you have something ..than I think I'll use it too..
The agency released a heavily excised version of the account in 1981 in response to an ACLU lawsuit, but it blacked out all references to TPAJAX, the code name for the U.S.-led operation.
This version was heavily excised (expunged..passages and sentences deleted) with blackened out attributions..It wasn't till 2013 that new specifics as well as insights into the intelligence agency's actions became clear..
But, if it was 1981 that would fall under Jimah Carter ..
James Earl Carter Jr. was serving as the 39th President of the United States in 1981...
Fixed your pick and choose post for you slim. You righties always cherry pick info.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
What is the larger size lettering and darker print suppose to mean?
If, you think it means you have something ..than I think I'll use it too..
The agency released a heavily excised version of the account in 1981 in response to an ACLU lawsuit, but it blacked out all references to TPAJAX, the code name for the U.S.-led operation.
This version was heavily excised (expunged..passages and sentences deleted) with blackened out attributions..It wasn't till 2013 that new specifics as well as insights into the intelligence agency's actions became clear..
But, if it was 1981 that would fall under Jimah Carter ..
James Earl Carter Jr. was serving as the 39th President of the United States in 1981...
Fixed your pick and choose post for you slim. You righties always cherry pick info.
Fixed your pick and choose post for you slim. You righties always cherry pick info.
in response to an ACLU lawsuit, but it blacked out all references to TPAJAX, the code name for the U.S.-led operation.
darkhorse, you see if the code name was blackened out ..it was hiding how deep the CIA involvement was...until the 2013 doc release these facts were unknown..so the release in 2013 was the one that really counted...
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
Fixed your pick and choose post for you slim. You righties always cherry pick info.
in response to an ACLU lawsuit, but it blacked out all references to TPAJAX, the code name for the U.S.-led operation.
darkhorse, you see if the code name was blackened out ..it was hiding how deep the CIA involvement was...until the 2013 doc release these facts were unknown..so the release in 2013 was the one that really counted...
Well, after all is said and done ...no matter when or who released the doc's ..you are correct we did stick your nose into their business...but I'm sure it was for the good of America's interest ..
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
It means I copied and pasted out of your link.
Hey !! Use our own material..ok
Well, after all is said and done ...no matter when or who released the doc's ..you are correct we did stick your nose into their business...but I'm sure it was for the good of America's interest ..
Bottom line is we helped overthrow a democracy because of big oil. By the way slim who was president in 1953 when this coup took place?
Well, popcornface....I conceded a point to you and rather than let sleeping dog lie ..you want to push it...Ok
The democracy you reference to in Iran ..is nothing like the democracy we understand it to be here in America..
1951 Mossadegh as appointed Prime Minister by the Shah of Iran ..He was not however, chosen by the Iranian people to be Prime Minister.
While Mossadegh was elected to the Majles (the Iranian Parliament) by
democratic means (Iran at the time was not a democracy by any means,
though some aspects of it were democratic in nature), the office of
Prime Minister was nominated from amongst the Majles deputies by the
Shah. In turn, the Majles members either voted for or against the nomination
Mossadegh's position as Prime Minister was never due to a nationwide poll...
Who was president in 1953 you ask ?
Why do you ask? These fact's are easily googled...
But, I'll save you the time since you don't seem to know ..Ike ..like in" I Like Ike "...Like President Trump say's "I like Mike"..
President Eisenhower opposed a coup. He was afraid of destabilizing Iran and
the region, which in his estimation, would inevitably lead to a
communist takeover. He was most concerned with the specter of Communism above anything else...as I posted earlier it was done for the good of America's interest ..at that point in time..
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
Bottom line is we helped overthrow a democracy because of big oil. By the way slim who was president in 1953 when this coup took place?
Well, popcornface....I conceded a point to you and rather than let sleeping dog lie ..you want to push it...Ok
The democracy you reference to in Iran ..is nothing like the democracy we understand it to be here in America..
1951 Mossadegh as appointed Prime Minister by the Shah of Iran ..He was not however, chosen by the Iranian people to be Prime Minister.
While Mossadegh was elected to the Majles (the Iranian Parliament) by
democratic means (Iran at the time was not a democracy by any means,
though some aspects of it were democratic in nature), the office of
Prime Minister was nominated from amongst the Majles deputies by the
Shah. In turn, the Majles members either voted for or against the nomination
Mossadegh's position as Prime Minister was never due to a nationwide poll...
Who was president in 1953 you ask ?
Why do you ask? These fact's are easily googled...
But, I'll save you the time since you don't seem to know ..Ike ..like in" I Like Ike "...Like President Trump say's "I like Mike"..
President Eisenhower opposed a coup. He was afraid of destabilizing Iran and
the region, which in his estimation, would inevitably lead to a
communist takeover. He was most concerned with the specter of Communism above anything else...as I posted earlier it was done for the good of America's interest ..at that point in time..
Meanwhile inside Iran for the fifth consecutive night, protests against the Iranian regime erupted in several cities on Saturday.
Security forces killed one protester in Gohardasht, Karaj,
during yesterday’s protests. Karaj was the scene of some of the most
fierce clashes between protesters and security forces in previous
nights.
Videos from yesterday’s
protests showed security forces firing at protesters from rooftops.
Nonetheless, the people of Karaj came to the streets again tonight to
shout their rage against the Iranian regime.
In Tehran, on Saturday evening protesters gathered in College Avenue and
chanted “Death to the dictator,”“Mullahs must get lost”
In Qom, protesters are chanting “Death to the dictator” at Towhid Square
and are confronting the security forces that have been dispatched to
disperse the protesters.
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Meanwhile inside Iran for the fifth consecutive night, protests against the Iranian regime erupted in several cities on Saturday.
Security forces killed one protester in Gohardasht, Karaj,
during yesterday’s protests. Karaj was the scene of some of the most
fierce clashes between protesters and security forces in previous
nights.
Videos from yesterday’s
protests showed security forces firing at protesters from rooftops.
Nonetheless, the people of Karaj came to the streets again tonight to
shout their rage against the Iranian regime.
In Tehran, on Saturday evening protesters gathered in College Avenue and
chanted “Death to the dictator,”“Mullahs must get lost”
In Qom, protesters are chanting “Death to the dictator” at Towhid Square
and are confronting the security forces that have been dispatched to
disperse the protesters.
Well, popcornface....I conceded a point to you and rather than let sleeping dog lie ..you want to push it...Ok
The democracy you reference to in Iran ..is nothing like the democracy we understand it to be here in America..
1951 Mossadegh as appointed Prime Minister by the Shah of Iran ..He was not however, chosen by the Iranian people to be Prime Minister.
While Mossadegh was elected to the Majles (the Iranian Parliament) by
democratic means (Iran at the time was not a democracy by any means,
though some aspects of it were democratic in nature), the office of
Prime Minister was nominated from amongst the Majles deputies by the
Shah. In turn, the Majles members either voted for or against the nomination
Mossadegh's position as Prime Minister was never due to a nationwide poll...
Who was president in 1953 you ask ?
Why do you ask? These fact's are easily googled...
But, I'll save you the time since you don't seem to know ..Ike ..like in" I Like Ike "...Like President Trump say's "I like Mike"..
President Eisenhower opposed a coup. He was afraid of destabilizing Iran and
the region, which in his estimation, would inevitably lead to a
communist takeover. He was most concerned with the specter of Communism above anything else...as I posted earlier it was done for the good of America's interest ..at that point in time..
If our president would have been chosen by the people slim, Hillary would be president. Not a lot of difference in their representative democracy than our representative democracy if you think about it.
The only interest was oil.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
Well, popcornface....I conceded a point to you and rather than let sleeping dog lie ..you want to push it...Ok
The democracy you reference to in Iran ..is nothing like the democracy we understand it to be here in America..
1951 Mossadegh as appointed Prime Minister by the Shah of Iran ..He was not however, chosen by the Iranian people to be Prime Minister.
While Mossadegh was elected to the Majles (the Iranian Parliament) by
democratic means (Iran at the time was not a democracy by any means,
though some aspects of it were democratic in nature), the office of
Prime Minister was nominated from amongst the Majles deputies by the
Shah. In turn, the Majles members either voted for or against the nomination
Mossadegh's position as Prime Minister was never due to a nationwide poll...
Who was president in 1953 you ask ?
Why do you ask? These fact's are easily googled...
But, I'll save you the time since you don't seem to know ..Ike ..like in" I Like Ike "...Like President Trump say's "I like Mike"..
President Eisenhower opposed a coup. He was afraid of destabilizing Iran and
the region, which in his estimation, would inevitably lead to a
communist takeover. He was most concerned with the specter of Communism above anything else...as I posted earlier it was done for the good of America's interest ..at that point in time..
If our president would have been chosen by the people slim, Hillary would be president. Not a lot of difference in their representative democracy than our representative democracy if you think about it.
If our president would have been chosen by the people slim, Hillary would be president. Not a lot of difference in their representative democracy than our representative democracy if you think about it.
The only interest was oil.
Thank God,your Founders knew the value of that difference..
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
If our president would have been chosen by the people slim, Hillary would be president. Not a lot of difference in their representative democracy than our representative democracy if you think about it.
The only interest was oil.
Thank God,your Founders knew the value of that difference..
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So lets go off topic for a sec..
They lost to Home and Gardens TV ?
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