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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 9:48 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    What I hate about this is what you’re saying is that people should censor themselves from saying their true feelings or distance themselves from people who share similar feelings to win an election...

    I hate that with a passion. I want a politician that speaks from the heart not some fake and phony politician that will say or do whatever it takes to win...

    The Bush stuff wasn’t asinine at all. All of it was completely legitimate. Show me something that was said about Bush that wasn’t true? The stuff about Obama is all bigoted and racist BS.


    I'm not saying that at all. If one believes that Bush committed treason, they can certainly have that opinion.

    But plenty of Dems did not believe that and when they did not speak up, they were allowing silence to be an assent.

    And as an aside, Bush was a good man. He made mistakes but he did not drag us into war because he was a traitor. That is just plain ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    What I hate about this is what you’re saying is that people should censor themselves from saying their true feelings or distance themselves from people who share similar feelings to win an election...

    I hate that with a passion. I want a politician that speaks from the heart not some fake and phony politician that will say or do whatever it takes to win...

    The Bush stuff wasn’t asinine at all. All of it was completely legitimate. Show me something that was said about Bush that wasn’t true? The stuff about Obama is all bigoted and racist BS.


    I'm not saying that at all. If one believes that Bush committed treason, they can certainly have that opinion.

    But plenty of Dems did not believe that and when they did not speak up, they were allowing silence to be an assent.

    And as an aside, Bush was a good man. He made mistakes but he did not drag us into war because he was a traitor. That is just plain ridiculous.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 12:06 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Yes. It’s a federal initiative to crack down on fraud. It has nothing to do with Obama and his team of mastermind super-villains sitting in the Obama-cave plotting to takeout tea partiers…

    Am I disturbed by this? Sure. Do I know for sure what is actually going on? No... No one does. The problem is republicans are behind the investigation. I need to see some credible evidence from a credible source to form a conclusion…

    Sigh... the reaganists would love this... if it was reagan...

    Going after porn stars, pot shops and massage parlors really grinds my gears...



    They are also attacking the credit that firearms and ammo manufacturers need to operate.

    It is clearly unconstitutional to attack legal businesses that are "enemies" of this administration.  It shows how the DOJ is willing to use their resources (IRS included) as a weapon. 

    It is hor$eshit, and every American should be mad about it. 

    I understand you don't trust Republicans, but do you really think that Democrats would investigate their own administration?? You either look at the facts as thy come out objectively, or just resign yourself to supporting Obama and this administration no matter what. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Yes. It’s a federal initiative to crack down on fraud. It has nothing to do with Obama and his team of mastermind super-villains sitting in the Obama-cave plotting to takeout tea partiers…

    Am I disturbed by this? Sure. Do I know for sure what is actually going on? No... No one does. The problem is republicans are behind the investigation. I need to see some credible evidence from a credible source to form a conclusion…

    Sigh... the reaganists would love this... if it was reagan...

    Going after porn stars, pot shops and massage parlors really grinds my gears...



    They are also attacking the credit that firearms and ammo manufacturers need to operate.

    It is clearly unconstitutional to attack legal businesses that are "enemies" of this administration.  It shows how the DOJ is willing to use their resources (IRS included) as a weapon. 

    It is hor$eshit, and every American should be mad about it. 

    I understand you don't trust Republicans, but do you really think that Democrats would investigate their own administration?? You either look at the facts as thy come out objectively, or just resign yourself to supporting Obama and this administration no matter what. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 1:17 PM ET #28

    ..and the IRS is the agency the Hawaiian has put in charge of our most personal, sensitive, intimate, private health-care information?


    What could possibly go wrong?

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    ..and the IRS is the agency the Hawaiian has put in charge of our most personal, sensitive, intimate, private health-care information?


    What could possibly go wrong?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 1:23 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    ..and the IRS is the agency the Hawaiian has put in charge of our most personal, sensitive, intimate, private health-care information?


    What could possibly go wrong?

    Just think, one computer glitch and 2 years of your records will be wiped out with no way to retrieve them.

    Stay disciplined and manage your bankroll
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    ..and the IRS is the agency the Hawaiian has put in charge of our most personal, sensitive, intimate, private health-care information?


    What could possibly go wrong?

    Just think, one computer glitch and 2 years of your records will be wiped out with no way to retrieve them.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 2:25 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    Just think, one computer glitch and 2 years of your records will be wiped out with no way to retrieve them.



    Scary ,real scary..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danrules24:

    Just think, one computer glitch and 2 years of your records will be wiped out with no way to retrieve them.



    Scary ,real scary..
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 2:57 PM ET #31

    Its a good thing that this issue hasn't been raised with every President since the advent of email use in D.C.

    If there is a consistent with right wingers, its denying the same scandals with a Republican that are transposed with a Democrat.

    <yawn>

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    Its a good thing that this issue hasn't been raised with every President since the advent of email use in D.C.

    If there is a consistent with right wingers, its denying the same scandals with a Republican that are transposed with a Democrat.

    <yawn>

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 3:08 PM ET #32

    Why doesn't Congress just get Lois's lost E-mails from the NSA's surveillance data bank logs ?

    The NSA gathers both metadata and content of all emails of just about  everyone, everywhere...



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    Why doesn't Congress just get Lois's lost E-mails from the NSA's surveillance data bank logs ?

    The NSA gathers both metadata and content of all emails of just about  everyone, everywhere...



     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 3:26 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Its a good thing that this issue hasn't been raised with every President since the advent of email use in D.C.

    If there is a consistent with right wingers, its denying the same scandals with a Republican that are transposed with a Democrat.




    credibility and hypocrisy are completely foreign concepts to the rightwinger. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Its a good thing that this issue hasn't been raised with every President since the advent of email use in D.C.

    If there is a consistent with right wingers, its denying the same scandals with a Republican that are transposed with a Democrat.




    credibility and hypocrisy are completely foreign concepts to the rightwinger. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 3:44 PM ET #34

    Slim?

    Would washing count as a liberal tactic?
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    Slim?

    Would washing count as a liberal tactic?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 4:24 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:

    Slim?

    Would washing count as a liberal tactic?

    I actually didn't even mention the President. I just pointed out how people like you are hypocrites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:

    Slim?

    Would washing count as a liberal tactic?

    I actually didn't even mention the President. I just pointed out how people like you are hypocrites.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 4:49 PM ET #36

    Slim? You notice how some people distract and deflect?

    We are talking about specifics going on today in this thread

    Conservative groups targeted by the IRS because of their political leanings

    The person behind the targeting going in front of congress and pleading the Fif (Dave Chapelle style)

    Congress getting a subpoena to search that person's e-mails.

    A few days ago we find out that person's computer crashed and the hard drive was destroyed.

    The libs response...

    bbbbbut Bush lied about WMD's.
    bbbbbut what about Haliburton.
    bbbbbut look at that squirrel


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    Slim? You notice how some people distract and deflect?

    We are talking about specifics going on today in this thread

    Conservative groups targeted by the IRS because of their political leanings

    The person behind the targeting going in front of congress and pleading the Fif (Dave Chapelle style)

    Congress getting a subpoena to search that person's e-mails.

    A few days ago we find out that person's computer crashed and the hard drive was destroyed.

    The libs response...

    bbbbbut Bush lied about WMD's.
    bbbbbut what about Haliburton.
    bbbbbut look at that squirrel


     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 4:58 PM ET #37





    12 more months and I am DONE with this petty bickering forever.


    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    12 more months and I am DONE with this petty bickering forever.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 5:00 PM ET #38


    At least I have a plan... you poor pathetic fools.
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    At least I have a plan... you poor pathetic fools.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 5:00 PM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:

    Slim? You notice how some people distract and deflect?

    We are talking about specifics going on today in this thread

    Conservative groups targeted by the IRS because of their political leanings

    The person behind the targeting going in front of congress and pleading the Fif (Dave Chapelle style)

    Congress getting a subpoena to search that person's e-mails.

    A few days ago we find out that person's computer crashed and the hard drive was destroyed.

    The libs response...

    bbbbbut Bush lied about WMD's.
    bbbbbut what about Haliburton.
    bbbbbut look at that squirrel



    I know that's what you were told to think but actually, progressive groups were targeted more than conservative groups (see below). 

    So honest question...what is it like to never have the ability to think for yourself. I think its sad, actually. I'm sure your parents, who seem like good people because they drive a Hyundai, are disappointed. 

    The IRS provided the heavily-redacted lists to ThinkProgress, after nearly a year-long search. From the earliest lists through 2012, the “historical” section of the lists encouraged reviewers to watch out for “progressive” groups with names like “blue,” as their requests for 501(c)(3) charitable status might be inappropriate. Their inclusion in this section suggests that the concern predates the initial 2010 list.

    Explicit references to “Tea Party,” included in the “emerging issues” section of the lists, also began in August 2010 — but stopped appearing after the May 10, 2011 list. From that point on, the lists instructed agents to flag all political advocacy groups of any stripe. The documents instructed the agents to forward any “organization involved with political, lobbying, or advocacy” applying for 501(c)(3) or 501(c)(4) status be forwarded to “group 7822? for additional review. Groups under both categories are limited in the amount of of lobbying and political activity each can undertake.

    Other types of groups received explicit scrutiny for longer than “progressive” or “Tea Party” organizations. These included applicants involved with “medical marijuana” but not “exclusively education” (19 appearances in the “watch list” section of the lists), which were to be forwarded to a “group 7888? and groups believed to be possible successor-groups to ACORN, the now-shuttered Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (12 appearances on the “watch list” section). Those applications were also to be elevated to managers for further review. All 22 documents also flagged applicants with Puerto Rico addresses and certain types of “Testamentary Trusts.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:

    Slim? You notice how some people distract and deflect?

    We are talking about specifics going on today in this thread

    Conservative groups targeted by the IRS because of their political leanings

    The person behind the targeting going in front of congress and pleading the Fif (Dave Chapelle style)

    Congress getting a subpoena to search that person's e-mails.

    A few days ago we find out that person's computer crashed and the hard drive was destroyed.

    The libs response...

    bbbbbut Bush lied about WMD's.
    bbbbbut what about Haliburton.
    bbbbbut look at that squirrel



    I know that's what you were told to think but actually, progressive groups were targeted more than conservative groups (see below). 

    So honest question...what is it like to never have the ability to think for yourself. I think its sad, actually. I'm sure your parents, who seem like good people because they drive a Hyundai, are disappointed. 

    The IRS provided the heavily-redacted lists to ThinkProgress, after nearly a year-long search. From the earliest lists through 2012, the “historical” section of the lists encouraged reviewers to watch out for “progressive” groups with names like “blue,” as their requests for 501(c)(3) charitable status might be inappropriate. Their inclusion in this section suggests that the concern predates the initial 2010 list.

    Explicit references to “Tea Party,” included in the “emerging issues” section of the lists, also began in August 2010 — but stopped appearing after the May 10, 2011 list. From that point on, the lists instructed agents to flag all political advocacy groups of any stripe. The documents instructed the agents to forward any “organization involved with political, lobbying, or advocacy” applying for 501(c)(3) or 501(c)(4) status be forwarded to “group 7822? for additional review. Groups under both categories are limited in the amount of of lobbying and political activity each can undertake.

    Other types of groups received explicit scrutiny for longer than “progressive” or “Tea Party” organizations. These included applicants involved with “medical marijuana” but not “exclusively education” (19 appearances in the “watch list” section of the lists), which were to be forwarded to a “group 7888? and groups believed to be possible successor-groups to ACORN, the now-shuttered Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (12 appearances on the “watch list” section). Those applications were also to be elevated to managers for further review. All 22 documents also flagged applicants with Puerto Rico addresses and certain types of “Testamentary Trusts.”

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 5:16 PM ET #40

    Obama's starting to sweat under his armpits..

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    Obama's starting to sweat under his armpits..

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 5:55 PM ET #41

    Some questions for the libs who say progressive groups were also targeted by the IRS...

    If progressive groups were unfairly targeted by the IRS, are you (as well as Think Progress, The Daily KOs, etc) upset the IRS did that?

    If progressive groups were unfairly targeted by the IRS how come they weren't any specific progressive groups on Capital Hill testifying to that?

    If progressive groups were on the BOLO (Be on the lookout) list were they scrutinized and turned down (or status pending) or were they just on the list and still approved?

    There are many politicians, media-type, and members in this forum "setting picks" for the IRS. Is it a coincidence all of them are washers?
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    Some questions for the libs who say progressive groups were also targeted by the IRS...

    If progressive groups were unfairly targeted by the IRS, are you (as well as Think Progress, The Daily KOs, etc) upset the IRS did that?

    If progressive groups were unfairly targeted by the IRS how come they weren't any specific progressive groups on Capital Hill testifying to that?

    If progressive groups were on the BOLO (Be on the lookout) list were they scrutinized and turned down (or status pending) or were they just on the list and still approved?

    There are many politicians, media-type, and members in this forum "setting picks" for the IRS. Is it a coincidence all of them are washers?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    I know that's what you were told to think but actually, progressive groups were targeted more than conservative groups (see below). 

    So honest question...what is it like to never have the ability to think for yourself. I think its sad, actually. I'm sure your parents, who seem like good people because they drive a Hyundai, are disappointed. 

    The IRS provided the heavily-redacted lists to ThinkProgress, after nearly a year-long search. From the earliest lists through 2012, the “historical” section of the lists encouraged reviewers to watch out for “progressive” groups with names like “blue,” as their requests for 501(c)(3) charitable status might be inappropriate. Their inclusion in this section suggests that the concern predates the initial 2010 list.

    Explicit references to “Tea Party,” included in the “emerging issues” section of the lists, also began in August 2010 — but stopped appearing after the May 10, 2011 list. From that point on, the lists instructed agents to flag all political advocacy groups of any stripe. The documents instructed the agents to forward any “organization involved with political, lobbying, or advocacy” applying for 501(c)(3) or 501(c)(4) status be forwarded to “group 7822? for additional review. Groups under both categories are limited in the amount of of lobbying and political activity each can undertake.

    Other types of groups received explicit scrutiny for longer than “progressive” or “Tea Party” organizations. These included applicants involved with “medical marijuana” but not “exclusively education” (19 appearances in the “watch list” section of the lists), which were to be forwarded to a “group 7888? and groups believed to be possible successor-groups to ACORN, the now-shuttered Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (12 appearances on the “watch list” section). Those applications were also to be elevated to managers for further review. All 22 documents also flagged applicants with Puerto Rico addresses and certain types of “Testamentary Trusts.”

    I figured that if I took a 3-4 month hiatus when I came back you would be tired of using this tactic that in essence is running and hiding from true discussion. I didn't have you figured for much but I did have you figured for slightly more intellectual honesty.

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    I know that's what you were told to think but actually, progressive groups were targeted more than conservative groups (see below). 

    So honest question...what is it like to never have the ability to think for yourself. I think its sad, actually. I'm sure your parents, who seem like good people because they drive a Hyundai, are disappointed. 

    The IRS provided the heavily-redacted lists to ThinkProgress, after nearly a year-long search. From the earliest lists through 2012, the “historical” section of the lists encouraged reviewers to watch out for “progressive” groups with names like “blue,” as their requests for 501(c)(3) charitable status might be inappropriate. Their inclusion in this section suggests that the concern predates the initial 2010 list.

    Explicit references to “Tea Party,” included in the “emerging issues” section of the lists, also began in August 2010 — but stopped appearing after the May 10, 2011 list. From that point on, the lists instructed agents to flag all political advocacy groups of any stripe. The documents instructed the agents to forward any “organization involved with political, lobbying, or advocacy” applying for 501(c)(3) or 501(c)(4) status be forwarded to “group 7822? for additional review. Groups under both categories are limited in the amount of of lobbying and political activity each can undertake.

    Other types of groups received explicit scrutiny for longer than “progressive” or “Tea Party” organizations. These included applicants involved with “medical marijuana” but not “exclusively education” (19 appearances in the “watch list” section of the lists), which were to be forwarded to a “group 7888? and groups believed to be possible successor-groups to ACORN, the now-shuttered Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (12 appearances on the “watch list” section). Those applications were also to be elevated to managers for further review. All 22 documents also flagged applicants with Puerto Rico addresses and certain types of “Testamentary Trusts.”

    I figured that if I took a 3-4 month hiatus when I came back you would be tired of using this tactic that in essence is running and hiding from true discussion. I didn't have you figured for much but I did have you figured for slightly more intellectual honesty.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2014 - 8:38 PM ET #43

    Spin it djbrow ..spin it like a top...lol

    There were only a hand full of liberal-oriented groups singled out (7) and they were not single out for political reasons..and were ok'ed in short order ..

    While hundreds of conservative TEA party groups or one's with the word "Patroit "were unfairly on the list for political reasons and had to endure years of waiting..wait till after the 2012 presidential election..

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    Spin it djbrow ..spin it like a top...lol

    There were only a hand full of liberal-oriented groups singled out (7) and they were not single out for political reasons..and were ok'ed in short order ..

    While hundreds of conservative TEA party groups or one's with the word "Patroit "were unfairly on the list for political reasons and had to endure years of waiting..wait till after the 2012 presidential election..

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    I'm not saying that at all. If one believes that Bush committed treason, they can certainly have that opinion.

    But plenty of Dems did not believe that and when they did not speak up, they were allowing silence to be an assent.

    And as an aside, Bush was a good man. He made mistakes but he did not drag us into war because he was a traitor. That is just plain ridiculous.

    Come on, DJ, I thought you were smarter than that, man...

    Follow the evidence trail… Bush was an imperialist that sparked a war for oil, a personal vendetta and for his military industrial complex buddies, like Cheney...

    It was also a war move to set up shop in Iraq for WW3…


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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    I'm not saying that at all. If one believes that Bush committed treason, they can certainly have that opinion.

    But plenty of Dems did not believe that and when they did not speak up, they were allowing silence to be an assent.

    And as an aside, Bush was a good man. He made mistakes but he did not drag us into war because he was a traitor. That is just plain ridiculous.

    Come on, DJ, I thought you were smarter than that, man...

    Follow the evidence trail… Bush was an imperialist that sparked a war for oil, a personal vendetta and for his military industrial complex buddies, like Cheney...

    It was also a war move to set up shop in Iraq for WW3…


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:



    They are also attacking the credit that firearms and ammo manufacturers need to operate.

    It is clearly unconstitutional to attack legal businesses that are "enemies" of this administration.  It shows how the DOJ is willing to use their resources (IRS included) as a weapon. 

    It is hor$eshit, and every American should be mad about it. 

    I understand you don't trust Republicans, but do you really think that Democrats would investigate their own administration?? You either look at the facts as thy come out objectively, or just resign yourself to supporting Obama and this administration no matter what. 
    Do you have any credible evidence that firearms and ammo manufacturers are being wrongfully targeted? Or is this just republican conspiracy…

    Another thing… It could just be that the actual target of law enforcement is shady gun people that just happen to be republicans…

    You’d think someone with a badge would have said publicly that Obama has ordered them to purposely target republicans…

    If something shady is going on… I would speak up if I was a politician. My loyalty is with voters not with other politicians...

    Come on, you know it’s impossible for you to be objective…


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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:



    They are also attacking the credit that firearms and ammo manufacturers need to operate.

    It is clearly unconstitutional to attack legal businesses that are "enemies" of this administration.  It shows how the DOJ is willing to use their resources (IRS included) as a weapon. 

    It is hor$eshit, and every American should be mad about it. 

    I understand you don't trust Republicans, but do you really think that Democrats would investigate their own administration?? You either look at the facts as thy come out objectively, or just resign yourself to supporting Obama and this administration no matter what. 
    Do you have any credible evidence that firearms and ammo manufacturers are being wrongfully targeted? Or is this just republican conspiracy…

    Another thing… It could just be that the actual target of law enforcement is shady gun people that just happen to be republicans…

    You’d think someone with a badge would have said publicly that Obama has ordered them to purposely target republicans…

    If something shady is going on… I would speak up if I was a politician. My loyalty is with voters not with other politicians...

    Come on, you know it’s impossible for you to be objective…


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    I figured that if I took a 3-4 month hiatus when I came back you would be tired of using this tactic that in essence is running and hiding from true discussion. I didn't have you figured for much but I did have you figured for slightly more intellectual honesty.

    Notice how I posted facts and figures and you and your fellow sheep's response was denials of said facts and figures.

    You are the one guy that can make Canovsp appear as an intellectual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:

    I figured that if I took a 3-4 month hiatus when I came back you would be tired of using this tactic that in essence is running and hiding from true discussion. I didn't have you figured for much but I did have you figured for slightly more intellectual honesty.

    Notice how I posted facts and figures and you and your fellow sheep's response was denials of said facts and figures.

    You are the one guy that can make Canovsp appear as an intellectual.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Come on, DJ, I thought you were smarter than that, man...

    Follow the evidence trail… Bush was an imperialist that sparked a war for oil, a personal vendetta and for his military industrial complex buddies, like Cheney...

    It was also a war move to set up shop in Iraq for WW3…


    "Evidence' can be shaped in any form one wants. As I have said, one can certainly disagree with him but Bush was a good man who made mistakes, He did not go to war that killed thousands of young men simply to appease his buddies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    Come on, DJ, I thought you were smarter than that, man...

    Follow the evidence trail… Bush was an imperialist that sparked a war for oil, a personal vendetta and for his military industrial complex buddies, like Cheney...

    It was also a war move to set up shop in Iraq for WW3…


    "Evidence' can be shaped in any form one wants. As I have said, one can certainly disagree with him but Bush was a good man who made mistakes, He did not go to war that killed thousands of young men simply to appease his buddies.

     
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    If a high level IRS official refuses to answer questions because her answers about the fair treatment of Americans by the government might incriminate her, you should worry. When that same IRS official manages to lose 2 years of evidence after having claimed the Fifth Amendment protection against self incrimination, you should be apoplectic. A wise Supreme Court justice once warned that the power to tax is the power to destroy. Democrat, Republican, Independent----ignore this rancid threat to your freedom at your peril.
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    If a high level IRS official refuses to answer questions because her answers about the fair treatment of Americans by the government might incriminate her, you should worry. When that same IRS official manages to lose 2 years of evidence after having claimed the Fifth Amendment protection against self incrimination, you should be apoplectic. A wise Supreme Court justice once warned that the power to tax is the power to destroy. Democrat, Republican, Independent----ignore this rancid threat to your freedom at your peril.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:

    Slim?

    Would washing count as a liberal tactic?

    Yes !   is counted a as liberal political tactic ..in fact it's become sort of a ritual with them .

    Check out these two liberal women explaining how to do it ..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtZKL74LgMg 

    Now, if Obama really wanted to prove to the American people that he or his administration did not have influence over the IRS targeting of political enemies. All he would have to do is give a directive to NSA most advanced intelligence monitoring facility in the Utah Data Center to release Lois's -mails ...

    They are there ...along with the private emails, text messages, google searches and phone calls of all Americans since the early 2000's..

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    Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:

    Slim?

    Would washing count as a liberal tactic?

    Yes !   is counted a as liberal political tactic ..in fact it's become sort of a ritual with them .

    Check out these two liberal women explaining how to do it ..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtZKL74LgMg 

    Now, if Obama really wanted to prove to the American people that he or his administration did not have influence over the IRS targeting of political enemies. All he would have to do is give a directive to NSA most advanced intelligence monitoring facility in the Utah Data Center to release Lois's -mails ...

    They are there ...along with the private emails, text messages, google searches and phone calls of all Americans since the early 2000's..

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    "Evidence' can be shaped in any form one wants. As I have said, one can certainly disagree with him but Bush was a good man who made mistakes, He did not go to war that killed thousands of young men simply to appease his buddies.

    No. Evidence is evidence. Bush had a motive and look at who Bush and Cheney are buddies with and follow the 100 billion dollar money trail...

    I disagree. Bush was a horrible human being. There are people who say Saddam and Hitler were good men who made mistakes. You have a right to believe what you want…

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    "Evidence' can be shaped in any form one wants. As I have said, one can certainly disagree with him but Bush was a good man who made mistakes, He did not go to war that killed thousands of young men simply to appease his buddies.

    No. Evidence is evidence. Bush had a motive and look at who Bush and Cheney are buddies with and follow the 100 billion dollar money trail...

    I disagree. Bush was a horrible human being. There are people who say Saddam and Hitler were good men who made mistakes. You have a right to believe what you want…

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